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gotten a fair amount of mail from people saying they did well at but those ug sites must be fixed. i remain confident in both. 755 don't think that would prevent it green baize vampire they could reseed the prng every hand but practical difficulties exist with doing in middle of a hand. is specifically what paper about. now if are reseeding randonly need at all. most casinos admit use prng. 756 careful what you wish for hacker - why aren't a multi-millionaire cause i don't own e-casino an cheat. ps microgaming is the most well respected gaming software provider out there. it's not in their interest to rig games. nope. saying it is. q was if _site_ could and i'm tellin ya just aint all that tough. anyone around here ever hear of disassembler be very careful. 758 doubtful to put it mildly et fan the linked post specifically addresses igt rngs not used in e-casinos. i don't believe was intended as a serious article but somebody decided worth archiving. author makes several naive assumptions about methodology. first of all rns produced are 32 bit numbers. cycle length is actually 16x10 18 which approximately 64 bits imformation. secondly there's no reason that each vp hand corresponds one rn. it's much more natural have card correspond an rn so represents 5x64 320 information. third rng cycles many hundreds times per second just 100. fourth arrangement cards almost certainly stored and shuffled via swapping mechanism detailed knuth's art computer programming vol. iii . thus from day machine leaves factory number random goes into choosing grows quickly million plus range. fifth since machanism there for cycling silly think doesn't continue on remainder pack after initial deal. sixth inexpensive mechanisms increasing randomness eg. background rf noise can work tandem with rng. physical approach software techniques mutually exclusive. seventh well ... could go bit. suffice say has been successful very long time they conspiring make players rich said wishful thinking when comes igt. otoh already well-publicised assaults poorly designed e-casino rngs. 759 bonus hustling ddssa hi so are any of you folks into these net casinos and if please fess up with the ones that best to hit for this right now--meaning youve received a check from them after doing precisely this-- ill share mine kids yours. 760 define bonus hustling chip0x15 it depends on what you mean by that term. if receiving a high percent and playing for several times your deposit to withdraw at slight advantage in accordance with casino rules then the book beatwebcasinos.com has lot of information including list reputable casinos. other hand registering single many simultaneously grabbing running money i don't know any decent place would allow do long. it's great way get blacklisted have credit card rejected. as trading lists can often find recomendations from this site. why not just post few yours i'm sure you'll plenty here post. perhaps an offering entice others share. 761 seized gp funds investigation online gambler if you had deposits and bonuses by golden palace or any of its sister sites microgaming has expressed a willingness to settle. go www.yourluckypage.com the players section forum fill out complaint form. can hear latest news on this fiasco at www.casinogazette.com owners other boomerang inc. casinos have criminal records telemarketing fraud. documentation is being presented kahnawake antiguan gaming commissions. one reasons that no longer their software supplier. 762 im talking about the legal normal means ddssa ive had good results with riverbelle intercasino grand online although not sure they offer a bonus right now prestige can someone share some of their faves thanks. 763 my favorites chip0x15 well i'm about a week away from cashing out on few so i haven't actually seen any green yet. i'll let you know once get the checks. best two i've far are atlantic interbet www.atlanticinterbet.com 25 deposit - 100 bonus english harbour www.englishhabour.com 35 of up to 150 as can see still developing bankroll. then again internet gambling isn't really for high rollers. good luck. 764 be careful with atlantic interbet et fan i've heard of some problems slow pay no pay. 765 good news nt green baize vampire x 766 decent bonus offers steelers fan a few of the better ones i've found netclubcasino english harbor casino-on-net island casino fairplay ascots nice but i have seen questions about their integrity. hopefully they're legit usa 767 casino on net bj.player i have played and somehow managed to break even.it doesn't seem me that their software is truely random raise your bet in high counts you'll find the dealer getting a blackjack with ace hole quite often. 768 i believe conn shuffles after every hand.. nt thus no high counts... 769 i play for fun on there capt shreve don't think would real 771 shuffle points and oddities aside chip0x15 i'd still play there as long they consistantly pay their bonus cashing out isn't a hassle. even if every hand have some of the worst rules in world 1 disadvantage doesn't compare to that 20 bonus. besides truly offer lvs you can get with is around 0.35 right did fix game it would be subtle. otherwise they'd bad reputation for chances are exhibit other undesirable traits like giving winners run-around before paying them. so let's say cheat 3 advantage. could 5 times your deposit expect see bit occurances several blackjacks row will happen though unlikely. three nights ago i got 4 while raising my bets at another casino. our sample size just enough actually determine whether fair. sportscasters often announce weirdest statistics during game. favorite one held until few months ago. since 40's time university kentucky wildcats won ncaa basketball championship ny yankees series vice versa within same year. now these two teams never each college team pro entirely different sports. were might not surprising but think about all those chmpionships 60's or ones 90's. course 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advantage. 775 everyone knows this but wont say it daniel when the odds are against you bet minimum... 776 not sure what your point is ... et fan heck i'll say it. when the odds are against you bet minimum. understand i hope that have a coupon rebates half losses very definitely you. they much in favor unless casino must cheat to offer such great deal. 778 golden palace complaints wanted online gambler the player's association has been contacted by through their attorney in canada. he says that is reading to look at and settle claims made against palace. we view this as a very important step resolving issue with everyone who valid complaint please email us pitbossopa aol.com request form. will be last chance file complaint. notice should posted everywhere where it may read others have 779 why -please be specific.. nt ddssa 780 because they cheat nt luckydog 781 internet sports betting new bettor can someone please tell me what are the best sites for betting. i am to this and it's hard enough picking winners...i don't want worry about not getting paid when do win any suggestions thank you. 783 don't be too sure et fan nice post but your statement even if they did fix the game it would have to subtle. otherwise they'd get a bad reputation for prompted me puzzle out following formula valid blackjack only sds abs bonus - hexmxd 1.15xsqrt mxdxb where d deposit m number of times you must play through collect he house edge and b flat bet choose use. this finds standard deviations break point is away from expectation. example suppose 1 000 snare 200 0.5 three times. evidence cheating decide minimum 5 per hand. then .005x3x1000 3x1000x5 1.31 so cheat just enough make eat though come result will norm. now let's keep other parameters constant plug in different values 2.4 2 1.65 .963 7 .767 10 .583 20 .275 obvious conclusion more less assure profit etf 785 maybe its not blackjack at all... hitman here is a possible scenario the odds are set up like slot machine. casino takes in oh say 1000 from several players and dumps 95 back to some lucky slob. keeps their guaranteed amount someone always winning give them credibility doesnt have worry about few putting large dent start capitol. so it matter if you playing perfect basic strategy predetermined win or lose. i no real data support my hypothesis but do know that there too many times when log on won go into severe losing streak against blackjacks 4 5 card 21's row. im math major can tell am being ripped off. played vegas successfully now for 8 years will be risking amounts of money net until absolutely positive fair game. read posts who feel they been cheated. should concern as patron these unknown establishments. also find interesting out ready come casino's rescue wonder owner employee posting. humble opinion very careful take advantage all free get your hands on. alot places dont even require deposit. good luck 786 winward casino alexander hamilton just curious if anyone has any experience with these folks 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providers to get their official position on assuming responsibility player protection an excellent article print out insert your copy of haywood's book. http www.winneronline.com articles november2000 softwareproviderspolicies.htm 796 10 free soldier of fortune i signed up for an account with them and tried to get my but it didn't register at all. i'm not sure when you the 10. says no deposit required think may require a deposit. am sure. 797 share affiliate profits randy q i thought some of you guys might be interested in this site that shares its casino with the players. it seems right now they offer 50 referral revenue to probably is more profitable unified gaming sites like gamblers palace and sky tower as these give affiliates 10 deposit... so ends up working out a 5 extra bonus for new deposits. not bad deal. www.onlinegamblersguide.com 798 this is weird green baize vampire i've been doing for some months at the cccafe but i was using a little more discretion if not actually keeping thing secret. don't see how they can do this. casinos are continually losing revenue through combination of winnings and affiliate payments from one high profile source it has its own domain name being heavily advertised can't believe would allow to continue. maybe will still profit unsophisticated players who somehow manage lose even with huge advantage. frankly doubt edge just too great. you'd have be real compulsive gambler gamble enough wipe that out. whole seems like ticking timebomb. 799 they are not trying to make money just position themselves robbo who cares about actually making most of the listed internet related companies losing ie in polite terms their cash burn rates exceed profit. why should a casino be any different do you think profit reality buying market share probably so can list merge sell another sucker . sooner or later everyone will realise fundamental paradigm. vast majority dotcoms simply taking investment capital and reassigning it others mostly customers this contrasts with real eg old technologies casinos generate people pumping into would better allocated company. what does that mean us 1. lets get involved reallocation crazy bonuses like one must used only come up once lifetime. don't rational as gift from some north american venture capitalist 2. put too much place cause may go belly 800 my understanding is green baize vampire most of the listed internet related companies are losing money ie in polite terms their cash burn rates exceed profit. why should a casino be any different i sincerely hope you right. however that rather animal from rest dot.com culture. reports at rgt and other good sources suggest these operations generally profit already. further estimates profits will inflate further. don't believe this city mania about all things it has basis fact. we know terrestial casinos have only fraction expenses. more people online every day. public currently zero faith web commerce can improve so on... sooner or later 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turner overdrive rodeo casino seems to be on the verge of pulling plug. they sent out a whiny e-mail everyone who has played there asking for advice how retain players. their previous promotions have been similar consisting 'please come back us' e-mails. - yep know what you mean. many these people are in way over heads. this is but one example. kto 814 latest news from rodeo casino anon314 here is the e-mail casino. name your own bonus kind of like wannabe priceline.com web casinos. he even has an aol address. this guy cracks me up. . hello sportsbook player i am responding to many e-mails have received all you regarding my recent statement. in no danger closing down. backed by a company that trades on nasdaq. appreciate time and written down suggestions. several concerns been voiced about validity honesty first card games are program with 4 billion combinations shuffled every there play. hope believe computer doesn't purposely decide when win. need cheat it just needs volume overall 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get your last e-mail confirming wanted via we'll right out. finally don't really they were playing me it's just hard good help. cc 897 even longer wait now... another anon if they suspect you of bonus hustling will require to 30 days before withdrawing your money. withdraw that keep any have also been known bar people for hustling. 898 they are still giving me excuses lance haven't received the new checks even though i faxed them in a week ago. promises promises. we shall see 899 clarification colin caster do they keep the bonus money only if you contract to your account open for 30 days and then renege or mean will confiscate bonuses any time suspect a new player of hustling withdrawing w i hadn't heard were barring players -- thank info. cc 900 other points micha if you want to compile stats can use the guest mode no need invest real money. only difference is that 1 table provided but otherwise everything just as game. initially games have used an infinite deck i've realized it better they reflect stuff find a bug which i'd be happy fix. i know people usually think demo are fixed in favor of player play 1000 rounds there should see not case course sure 10000 . --micha 901 bonus hustling comments. player example onlinecasino abc advertises 10 cash on deposits of 1000 but requires the to wager an amount greater than deposit plus - in order make any withdrawels. wagers 1200 worth action then makes a cashout request. is this for those that say yes why it has fulfilled his obligations from casino. if casino wanted more play money requirement should be 2x. person goes into land based with coupon 110 matchplay chips 100 plays all mp cashes out what left another could retail store offering off purchase or more. are you them your total only 105 point my post does not want taken advantage they just change their requirement. set rules it's hard do. 902 credit card rejections chip0x15 they won't accept any of my cards. say the address doesn't match exactly. none other 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in casino i.e. everything except video poker and slots. 919 withdrawals on gamblerspalace.com internet gambler anyone here have any experience with this site when do they get deposited into neteller 920 all the emails i recieved kathleen turner overdrive had no table games disclaimer. and offer from at least three different casinos. also understand blackjack to be a game. kto 921 best internet sportsbooks griffo the that i've found are as follows www.gamblerspalace.com www.playersbet.com www.betanything.com www.empressgaming.com www.betallworld.com www.betlaspalmas.com these may not be most famous or reputable places but they have given me great service and good bonuses to boot... still looking for ones with bonuses... please post if you find 'em... 922 agreed griffo i absoluetly agree there is no reason to hastle people who follow the rules. if place concerned with following rules should be changed. was running one of those joints i'd fork over a whopping 20 bonus but require player wager deposit and five times before withdrawing any bonuses. this policy would give house positive expectation provided an average gambler joint wouldn't have worry about hustlers. griffo. 923 i second that emotion nt et fan 927 depends scarce a lot of places offer 20- 30 initial bonus's for good reasons. there is still skepticism out that online gambling can be anything more than complete sham so offering small amount little or no matching deposit decent way to foster trust and engender will among new patrons. are two main obstacles an casino has face stay in business 1 how attract customers 2 keep them coming back. i don't think any single figured the best players. 928 within 30 minutes for me..... hockeystl during normal business hours. 930 opa is worthless nunu don't waste your time at the they're worthless. any casino that waives money in their face gets approval. 931 opa has done a lot online gambler member you think microgaming and golden palace would have parted ways without 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history of stealing from customers. my play all above board. followed rules beyond qualifying play. for whatever reason they didn't pay never bothered give me despite many e-mails. don't telephone number call probably because want hear people steal from. but believe in experience these are theives. i'm happy you've been lucky so far advise is enjoy your luck stay away them future. 943 they have an 800 number... another anon from their website usa toll free - 1 877 416 8169 canada 491 4246 i thought you might been talking about a different casino but received check yesterday with philip kennedy's name on it so i'm sure it's the same place. unfortunately my was only for what left of deposit...no winnings maybe that's why haven't had problem them yet good luck 944 i've never had a problem with netclub kathleen turner overdrive i'm not endorsing them just telling my experience. in fact won fair amount of money there and the checks have always been sent quickly. i believe they are hard on players think only for bonus. doesn't really matter to if follow written rule break unwritten probably going problems at other casinos. btw implying this is cause your problem. case you're wondering what it's gamblers need play here . good luck getting money. kto 945 is offshore action casino honest bobby i've experienced a 100 unit loss in just 1200 hands at their single deck bj game that has excellent player advantage of approx. .5 rules. i'm beginning to wonder if the place cheats. anyone else play there with similar and or different results 946 more details please et fan are we to assume you flat betting one unit per hand also what level betting. i'd be the last say a casino is above cheating. i've heard only good things about offshoreaction. they'd have pretty low cheat at 10 level. but that after all they 947 unified gaming sites stealth from my experience i have no reason to think that any of the cheat... but haven't played offshore action. 948 offshore action is d9 james og i think this makes the theoretical player advantage closer to 0.4 still nothing sneeze at. 949 ad... they are on my blacklist at...... arden is offshore action casino honest at 950 flat betting at 25 per hand. nt bobby 951 at least post a reason with your plug ug player it would be nice if you posted the for blacklisting of offshore action instead just plugging new site. i don't want to see this message board turn into unsubstantiated ads and bonuse offers like so many other boards. 952 no reason to suspect cheating ... et fan none at all. in fact your results are very good agreement with normal fluctuations. one standard deviation for 1200 25 blackjack bets is approximately 1.15 x sqrt 996 expectation 0.5 action .005 150 you actually lost 100 so 250 away from expected result or 0.25 sds expectation. a glance table of distribution shows can expect within .25 20 the time. pretty slim margin. order be reasonably sure 95 chance being ahead you'd need play over 203 000 error free hands etf 954 there may be some confusion ... et fan offshore action casino has the unique distinction of being on haywood's dairy good list as well his beef bad list. reason for listing is one 1 gambling grumble about a bonus not credited with no explanation. but haywood says software this unknown whereas he lists offshoreactioncasino.com unified gaming. perhaps more than 955 100 unit or dollars half-step i actually read the post as a loss which on basis of 1200 hands does seem little fishier. 956 i was down 2500 not 100 dollars units nt bobby 957 calculation of std deviation bobby i thought you had to divide the square root by 2 in calculating which case 1200 hands for me it was actually 1000 would be 1 996 or approx 450. please note that hands. any math folks out there who can clear this up. 958 software bobby the at offshore action appears to be unified gaming. i know this because have played island who also uses software. my results were much better 40 units win though although only 10 there. 959 gp withdrawls j-man i've made several in the 5k range with no delay whatsoever bank wire processed on monday recieved it wednesday or thursday . one withdrawl i was about 20k took a week and half. like all ug sites think they audit large wins 10k above - does this more quickly than most from what heard. haven't played while so tried neteller. that use including say process neteller every day during business hours mon-sun however as opposed to only do for other types of withdrawls. 960 reason to suspect cheating et fan try that again one standard deviation for 1200 unit blackjack bets is approximately 1.15 x 1u sqrt 39.8u your expectation at 0.4 in action .004 4.8u you actually lost 100u so are 104.8u away from expected result or 2.63sds expectation. a this bad should only occur once app. 230 runs of length. since i have suspicious nature would tend cheating. etf 961 nope et fan i thought you had to divide the square root by 2 in calculating std deviation which case of 1200 hands for me it was actually 1000 would be 1 996 or approx 450. no. think may confusing from mean number wins with bottom line end result. example if flip a coin ten times and comes up heads six that is one away expected result five heads. yet person betting even money on come out two bets hole. sd first sqrt 10 2. second . no division either way event .63sds mean. there an error haywood's book this point pointed him. he plans correct next edition. 962 if you lost that much in only 1000 hands ... et fan have even more reason for suspicion. i get 2.86sds which is a one 435 chance. trust are playing perfect basic strategy 963 vegas casino online has unreasonable demands anon314 i played at and after going through all their documents here is a list of things that must fax them. scans attached to e-mails are not allowed. 1 copy driver's license 2 front credit card 3 back 4 statement 5 agreement form 6 for notary acknowledgement 7 utility bill give me freaking break. can understand 5. but asking over the line. everyone else will accept as they even better quality. these guys really big jerks. 964 re 800 number dvdoc i called the number. of course manager wasn't in. never is. did learn that was blacklisted from net club probably because warning messages i've left on various websites about these pirates. support person could give me no reason why this action taken or my winnings were stolen. believe all dealings with site above board. financial due to psychosis whatever stole money period. be smart and stay away joint they're theives pure simple. 965 i agree... captain jack ...however give them a call. talk to support rep. if they don't agree accept only 1 2 3 4 than supervisor. was able get what offering. hint you may need lie as why can't provide 5 6 7...or maybe won't. have handicap obtaining those last three might be impossible for you...threaten discrimination charge 966 mark walters little harry i know steve jobs and the wasniack to name a few. is only one thats out for himself. what ever he into its not good pubilc 967 i was using haywood's book on that point nt bobby 968 basic strategy bobby yes i am playing bs except where able to count modify certain plays single deck game . use hi opt this opportunity arises once every 15 hands or so but adds very little my expectation. 969 don't bother scarce counting except in select cases is a waste of time and money online. most casinos shuffle every hand or do so at minimal penetration. if you're uncertain whether the game randomly dealt why anyway modest progression system sufficient to look like joe gambler. 970 counting bobby i realize the cards are shuffled after every hand. it is no bother to count. have long ago memorized integers up 6 and -6. easy for me. instance if hold 5 4 2 against dealer's ten stand. this adds very little my advantage in single deck game but might as well use info. 971 true enough. scarce the play you suggested is basic strategy. can find all these little exceptions at thewizardofodds.com and they will add a few 100ths to your ev. btw count system you're using very weak one on par with ko redseven for it's usefullness. why not upgrade 972 global player casino is it for real andrew i was told that some online casinos are scams. has anyone won and collected at players please let me know if you have had success winning getting paid via check or wired payments. your responses appreciated. 974 yes. real. et fan i will respond to your question on the misc board as well here singling out global player. first there are people making good money gambling online. book guide advantage players is beatwebcasinos.com by haywood available in catalog section of rge21.com. if you don't want go trouble read a you're gambler and have no advice for other than - stop secondly yes some bad apples among hundreds e-casinos. they pay check or two long they're sure loser. after that they'll simply abscond. place about these places message at www.winneronline.com. another real possibility cheating play hands. should emphasize this more imho. shocks moral universe may not be tough enough online gambling. current market conditions strong sales haywood's put e-casinos bind. it doesn't take psychic see absconding becoming both probable prevalent. many could shock large respected casinos cross over lock their razor thin profit margins. recently decided player off his beef casino list. gp uses own proprietary software which viewed danger signal. played once lost mean whole lot. haven't seen any grumbles them boards means quite bit. an independant outfit impressive. however were starting would with established such cryptologic. can get list cryptologic game master's site www.gamemasterlist.com. look one best sign up bonus. internet like must been days wild west. careful there. 975 rubber checks bill m i have had bounce from black jack ballroom twice and a check flying dragon casino bounced. both are microgaming. made good on the first am working second.i assume will make as well. these drawn canadian bank they returned without reason. used to get draft them that us listed front. any one similiar experience 976 not really bounced.. stealth i had a similar experience w blackjack ballroom though the check didn't exactly bounce. my bank took money back out of account and waited week or so to collect on canadian check. this has happened 2-3 times with site all eventually goes through. 977 don't assume the software is fair kathleen turner overdrive current market conditions and strong sales of haywood's book have put e-casinos in a bind. it doesn't take psychic to see that cheating absconding are becoming both more probable prevalent. many people could be for shock as large respected casinos cross over lock their razor thin profit margins. imo conventional wisdom ecasinos cheat win fading fast. players will not play without bonuses even regular . so must offer them. this cuts significantly into advantage good chance winning long term. most non-advantage would probably never know or care if card games suddenly became non-random changes subtle difficult knowledgable prove game non-random. i suspect two major providers already gaffed bj however gathered enough data my theories. when do sure post results others review. regulation suppliers can say anything they want about randomness games--who otherwise safebet cost significant time money then may inconclusive. up until recently i've given developers benefit fo doubt on fairness games. now all some way. kto 978 mine really did bounce bill m my checks were returned by the canadian bank. they stamped and bounced. bank charged me 10. your to thanks for reply 979 hi opt 1 is not weak bobby it very effective in single and double deck games especially with a side count of aces which i do . also use 6 deckers but cannot talk to the dealer other players much because have concentrate. this blows away systems you mention when one counts modifies play up true -6 982 i may be getting screwed by fairplay and astrobet gnossos is claiming that all bonuses winnings earned during their long weekend bonus promo are forfeited because tried out craps game before cashing out. they say was not allowed to play contending used qualify for the bonus. in fact played more than enough blackjack do dispute that. but 2 days later therefore lose my winnings. believe recently changed rules posted on site. does anyone have a copy of as were around time or from any tropika site jetset bullsnbears etc will do. revoking deducting them wire had said sending me. so with has been resolved favor dipping into account. if you made please get touch thanks 983 this is a stupid rule... james og but i believe it has actually been in effect at tropika sites for some time. however don't have an archived copy of the rules from november. fully support rule stating that craps and roulette play do not count toward required wagers bonus. or blackjack baccarat whatever they want. any casino requires you to cash out rather than negative expectation game no clue about how makes money. unless intend make money by catching people with fine print which my first impression but... 984 rubber checks bill m dear stealth the problem is canadian bank not a member of federal reserve system. no one should have to go through hassle like this collect. i had two banks send these back me. you are lucky your stuck with it. sound pretty hip guy. 985 the stupid rule gnossos but i believe it has actually been in effect at tropika sites for some time. however don't have an archived copy of rules from november. james read site carefully before playing long weekend bonus and remember seeing anything like this on sites. do you really think was there then or are remembering mid-december which is when they made change unless intend to make money by catching people with fine print not my first impression but... funny didn't put their emails announcing promo it's original email any extensions promo. on-site either. 986 the rule was created after initial promo so they could steal from gnossos nt anon314 987 i got out of it too nt mj 990 agree i can't see how anyone would now trust this group. nt dunbar 991 but how long did it take you to get paid john took me a month check from them. 992 is internet gambling that important to you anon all i read on this page are people complaining about being cheated rubber checks bonuses don't get paid phone calls and emails returned etc. if these online casinos so bad their software rotten they pay when should why do keep playing at them take crap coming back for more every time open a door someone hits me the head with sledge hammer eventually learn not door. how long will it leave closed 994 i ll answer your question with a few questions kathleen turner overdrive have you ever been backed off or barred from regular casino tossed hotel room had comps revoked picture put into the g book do continue to play if so why m sure it s not just because like gamble. best 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adkins has documented 170 000 winnings that casinos have failed to pay. also general consensus is they cheat play hands blackjack. i personally had a result was 2.8 standard deviations below expectation promotion way too good be true. etf 1012 names nazdeck sinks thumbzillacasino exclamationpointcasino free-sex-casino 000333casino if anyone sent money to a joint with name like that they got what deserved. 1013 roulette and craps fairplay pitboss the rule has been valid for years ever since casino started. on 30th october our standard terms conditions were updated. this update served only to ensure a greater or more specific understanding of rules. i strongly urge players read rules regulations any thoroughly before wagering as avoid confusion. 1014 re rubber fairplay pitboss i so apologize for the inconvenience caused. unfortunately banks have their own way of doing things. i'm not sure if you received your money or not.. please feel free to email support desk wrt a better solution receiving money. 1015 good on you nt green baize vampire funny thanks for sharing. 1017 suggest you delete this message anon314 it would be your worst nightmare to have gp find and sue for fraud. 1018 good luck online rube you'll get a response much like we apologize profusely for the inconvenience...yadda yadda yadda..we will do everything in our power to rectify this situation..yadda . phoning you no whatsoever and there seems only one 1-800 number all tropika casinos. person then refer their e-mail support which garner same run-around as got first time. these jokers are worst microgaming experience i've had so far or perhaps just been lucky. they'll blame banks postal service whomever they can find but little fix things. 1020 iglobalmedia scarce from their website leading architects of egaming technology and strategy since 1997 has successfully launched more than 50 rich state the art online gaming sites including starluck casino planetluck trusted casinos clubchance mycasinopinions many other well recognized names. ambitious projects are scheduled for this year. backed by a support team 70 in caribbean powered 65 india s most elite engineers business graduates is focused on delivering top quality next generation systems to stay at ahead industry. system includes 32 games html java client download as well. plus it multiplayer interface mail server ad 3 tier multi level marketing program plug play new game adapter fully integrated ecash 100 powerful backend reports keep operations fine tuned highly profitable . never seen before payment solutions back ends traffic traps portals hottest internet 1 up coming provider. let us give you winning edge. mmm hmm.. swindlers..er..online chain apolla big cat luckyland zantana club chance. 1021 no i should not bobby actually it would be great if they sued me. i'd love to see them in an american court. maybe could get a class action going against them. will never sue anyone here--especially when gambling debts cannot collected by law. 1022 two things anon615 one gambling debts are enforceable in many us states. how is this scenario any different than buying a bunch of stuff at the mall then asking for chargeback to avoid paying 1023 need lots of luck bill m how did you know my situation so well it looks like i am not the only one. ever get your money they are run around experts. all have to do is put 379. in infinia account. said would on jan.3 but guess what happen. when and if small win will be fair post it. fair. 1024 much the same if... green baize vampire one gambling debts are enforceable in many us states. yes but no court would enforce an illegal debt. two how is this scenario any different than buying a bunch of stuff at mall then asking for chargeback to avoid paying it be if rescinded promotional offer made you and kept your credit card balance. such situation i think have coming. 1025 unified games john bobby i had almost the exact same results as you did recently at a software site. lost 100 units in about 2000 hands playing their .5 single deck game. wizard of odds told me that was 5 chance losing much so quickly. means there's 1 400 it would happen randomly to both us. now either we're two unluckiest bj pros on internet...or something else may be up. any thoughts this from anyone 1026 poor analogy bobby what would you do if purchased an item with your cc put it on layaway and the store refused to deliver merchandise. this is essentially gp has done numerous players. player loses they win. wins don't pay. 1027 then please explain your logic gnossos the roulette and craps rule has been valid for years ever since casino started. on 30th october our standard terms conditions were updated. this update served only to ensure a greater or more specific understanding of rules. can you give one reason why player should have cash out before being allowed play i'm not talking about using qualify bonus. asking would want prevent from playing after finished qualifying promo instead insist that first re-deposit if wants makes no sense. i strongly urge players read rules regulations any thoroughly wagering as avoid confusion. are so interested in avoiding confusion didn't include such an important when sent various emails announcing long weekend there was word having all money craps. contrary clearly stated each bonus period lasted 1 day. fact it possible claim than 24 hours making deposit. but apparently think is okay revoke number days earned had nothing do with promotion. 1028 but they didn't screw you anon314 if screwed i might be a littel more sympathetic. lose money there other people did. completely different situation. 1029 one of them got me.... arden jokers casino me for over 1 000. i do have up my sleve believe will get money if they go back on line. it works post here. green lights blue skys to you yours 1030 good fortune last neil hi all i have been very skeptical about online gambling for a while probably because ive not had much luck lol but this week it has changed hopefully im on lucky streak. won 150 from 35 outlay like to play slots mostly. my favourite slot site is http www.gamblevegas.net anyone else know any sites thanks 1031 not even rubber anon314 one person i know who played during your late november bonus has gotten all the charges reversed on their credit cards let alone a check. how about sending out some checks 1032 blackjackballroom paid at last bill m finally me and gave an extra 10 bucks for my banks bounce charges. they with american check admitted there was a problem. good them.i still have not been by tropica yet flying dragon casino . 1033 let me get this straight gustav shoe if i want to play roulette or craps at your casino after qualifying for the bonus playing other games you go through time and expense of returning money my credit card sending out a check wire any . then also pay an additional fee visa mastercard when make another deposit. doesn't sound like effective use resorces. glad don't work me. in meantime am more while refunds winnings are transit which from what i'm reading around net could be quite awhile. 1034 is this a reply to gnossos et fan not sure you understand that what describe returning the money my credit card and sending out check or wire if any . then also want pay an additional fee visa mastercard when i make another deposit. precisely objecting to. exactly what's required by rules currently in force at fairplay. except all of us cc fees. - 1035 i think they have a cash flow problem et fan remember warned that promo was too good to be true actually they'll pay off eventually. check your mailbox next thanksgiving maybe. 1036 this guy is announcing his intent to screw gp even though they haven't done anything him yet -nt anon615 1038 unified---too good to be true john hi all.....just wanted give my two cents about the unified software game and its theoretical .5 edge. not only were personal results horrible lost over 100 units in 2000 hands....which is statistically possible but very unlucky just seems way too true. where i played you could bet max a hand get 200 hands an hour. that means can have 20 000 action per hour at edge....and would make if this legit randomly dealt quit your day job 200k year had big bankroll....or still take 20-30 with more reasonable bankroll of 5 or 10k. know some people no complaints unified...but come on...if it then rest. any thoughts 1040 nothing wrong with solidarity green baize vampire worked for the poles anyway. 1041 you are wrong bill m what is the difference between and a sleaze casino play pay. will be blacklisted. i am not surprised lost your loot as sound like real loser. 1042 reply to fairplay pitboss nt gustav shoe 1043 gaming club eric anyone have any experincies with this site and there csm 1044 island pee head i've played most of the ug sites and found them to be fair... though you can get wild swings. lost 5k in a day gained it back next. 1046 very well said nt gnossos 1047 crown city casino not paying online gambler answering emails and their parent company is losing money. 1048 anyone see 60 minutes last night scarce i thought saw a post on internet gambling by david matthews about it. unfortunately missed the piece and only something china night. 1049 60 minutes hockeystl the piece primary focused on wsex world sports exchange and one of their founders jay cohen who was indicted by justice department. he convicted but is now appealing that conviction out bond. i don't recall any talk internet casino games being mentioned. it betting. they also discussed whether or not wire act 1960 date even applies to gaming. overall ok really did bring new issues light. 1050 thanks scarce so basically it was a rehash of that cigar afficiando article few months back. glad i didn't miss anything by it. 1051 60minutes story gotgame any one got experience good or bad with the outfit on 60 minutes last sun evening sports betting are they safe will pay ect..... 1052 unifed nazdeck sinks right i've thought the same thing and not had good results either. why would a company offer such game be vulnerable if it was randon don't you think legit with this edge killed by smart players flat betting less bankroll swings that live card counting too to true i bet on it. 1053 solid as a rock but colin caster spend some time at one of the watchdog sites before jumping in gotgame majorwager.com bettorsworld.com theprescription.com. cc 1054 unified okay with me bill m i believe they are honest and pay promptly. maybe you had bad luck 1055 do you have any stats anon314 how many hands at what stakes to validate that ug casino is honest the only way back up a casino's honesty or dishonesty with game. i know some of them don't pay promtly. asked for wire on 12 11 from one and am still waiting. they said it went out 27. yeah right. 1056 there is no difference that the whole point nt bobby 1057 unified hockeystl 6700 hands played and about a .7 return. not enough to be statistically significant but seems fair me. 1058 which casino and with what bet size nt anon314 1059 about 12 diff ug casinos. avg 20 bet. nt hockeystl 1060 they'll call you a robot online gambler some unified sites have tried to avoid paying big winners by accusing them of play. even roulette players. 1061 gss licensees form group online gambler license holders of gamblingsoftware.com prduct are invited to join a private only explore changing their relationship with one greater franchisee control and company accountability. it has been alleged by existing that not responsive concerns promotion implementation player service accounting issues communication. http www.egroups.com members gsslicensee 1062 are you owed by players fortune online gambler gamblingsoftware.com has announced in response to the association's efforts that there will pay all 15 of moneys their former licensee casino. this offer is not limited opa members. 1063 no stats bill m i play for small stakes and of course do not have stats. the wire business does sound good. can you say who is stalling 1064 tropika is a no pay the l anyone want to play there why won't they know owe many players and do not pay. 1065 uhh maybe they don't have the money to pay everyone -nt anon615 1066 how come the l maybe 1067 your asking me how to pay people the l are you kidding response says it all. best way is not b.s. them and come up with loot. but know this don't keep watch buisness go down tubes if on now. 1068 is online gaming software safe the l anyone play at an site are they okay 1069 rated player belly up online gambler has gone and is not responding to emails. 1070 is that a brand name nt new 2 me 1071 sure looks like it nt gnossos 1072 to hockeystl and billm about unified john i recently talked a very good friend who owns one of the more established casinos. he admitted me that no has ever beaten his bj game for any substantial amount money over time. how likely is this if really nice .5 edge it's virtually impossible. trust word cause easily could have lied it so would continue playing. you two are doing well must be damn lucky or else your casinos don't plan on paying 1074 hi john bill m it's not that i am doing so well just the few times have won got paid promptly. but don't play for much money. 1075 brand name the l yes it is a name. 1076 fariplay astrobet et al. uncle yuck in my opinion 1. they are short on cash. 2. doing a full audit so that can find reasons not to pay people see number 1 . buckle your seat belt and remain i sense turbulence ahead. 1077 bring me luck casino richard has anyone had any problems getting paid at this place they have nice sportsbook bonuses. i'm thinking about signing up and couldn't find anything bad payouts. thanks in advance rich 1078 yep.............they stiffed me 180 the counter first casino ever to outright stiff me............... 1083 only heard good things nt et fan 1084 seems ok scarce a ug site with 100 for match play bonus. you need only your deposit twice i think then the bonus kicks in worth about 50. drawback was that java program kept disconnecting. osg has same but sportsbook. 1085 hi griff the l what does because mean are you being vague on purpose 1086 sports gamblers bookiebasher i love this site and usually sit back read but stumbled upon a pretty cool with misleading name. it is freaks forum. posting forum they have some good handicappers there. appears well managed relatively new the lay out good. bring up here because heck aren't we all information king. .......... 1087 care to give us any further details another anon verify this can you tell which casino your friend owns 1088 give us a url online gambler they have so many generic softwares out there now. 1089 only one casino so far online gambler ok an alta-vista search turns up that gaming software is internet global network's phrase for their software. packages available from winstreak. licensed in st. kitts. what appears to me be site www.casinosoftheworld.com they must new nevahheardofthembefore. registrant network casinosoftheworld-dom suite 1304 925 west georgia vancouver bc v6c 3l2 ca domain name casinosoftheworld.com administrative contact billing tang jill jt11360 jtang vcgroup.com ign inc. 604-689-7779 fax 604-682-4768 technical gurney traci tgw84 tgurney axion.net - street 604 689-7779 682-4768 record last updated on 16-oct-2000. expires 18-apr-2001. created 17-apr-1997. database 15-jan-2001 19 39 21 est. servers listed order ns1.casino-zeus.com 196.40.15.59 ns2.igcorp.com 207.102.158.131 1090 i don't think.. hockeystl that the small wins have recorded would even show up on anyone's radar. .5 edge a 15 avg. bet won't exactly allow me to quit my day job. 1091 tropika finally pays the l at long last i have my dough. 1092 grand ole opry dissatified offers promotions withous specific cut off times then in very short period of time says not valid anymore doesn't pay...........suggest u dont play here 1093 hmm.. scarce usually their promotions are for weekends only of the 20 variety but with a serious caveat. see below please note that this promotion is valid between 13th january 2001 and 14th until 24.00 gmt your first purchase only. continuous promotional abuses from number players have forced grand opry casino to introduce following rule on cash ins in order be able cash-in must either or keep account sum which at least higher than original e.g. 200 balance 240 lose entire purchased amount. bonuses will calculated cashins made during stated period. if not bonus according credit present sunday. management reserves right assess each claim an individual basis. i'd call them you met specified requirements. don't expect any sympathy didn't. might get run around played short period tried out immediately winnings. other has pretty good reputation pay quickly. 1094 they changed promotion rules after the fact ripped off grand opry owes me nearly 200. didn't even respond to interactive gaming council when i initiated a complaint. answered 20 bonus promotion. then refused pay based on condition that was not in lose it all business . claimed they'd sent second email did contain which apparently feel is sufficient. but of course send copy alleged would change anything. they're another one microgaming's sawdust sleeze joints. 1095 problems with grand opry anon123 i would not play at this casino either. they claimed in my case that the promo time had expired yet could explain how account got over 20 which it was is required. go on but dont want to give lots of details just trust me one . help desk multi-layered takes several calls talk person you want. did mention are great britain a full 8 hrs difference pst. if take your chances their promos ahead wait until must deal and youll see what mean 1098 beware gnossos i am involved in a dispute with astrobet which has some kind of relationship fairplay. the centers on whether was allowed to play craps 2 days after promo played blackjack completely qualify for bonuses. fairplay used my account at take back bonuses and winnings that earned astrobet. now instead wiring me 4100 they said would wire says are taking out 3400 only 700. remember disputed not yet confiscated money. be very hesitant place where your money might settle another casino. ps--you may note rules fairplay's post above include statement period promotion will from moment you fulfilled all requirements receive until have cashed bonus or winnings. there no such stipulation any emails sent long weekend is center contend it listed on-site rules. yeah right. 1100 slow pay anon they have been very to since the holidays. i don't know if this is real problems or just incompitance. 1101 which ones please nt anon 3 1102 exactly dissatified also claimed my promo time had expired yet it wasn't stated in e-mail offer as to set frame........i mean 1 year i can understand even if not specified for but week .........especially when they me the 1103 asstro with ya supposed to e-mail a credit code redeem bonus.....never did 1104 same excuse very slow due to holidays nt anon32 1105 just got paid from bring me luck pablo i received payment a cashout on dec. 27th. the are slow but they paying. have patience. 1106 if you believe its fair nazdeck sinks just start flat betting 100 hand the .5 edge with even a moderate pace should yield 200 per hr without bankroll swings of spreading at live bj. then could soon quit your day job let me know how it goes. 1107 i'll stick to milking slowly... hockeystl maybe if my bankroll was 10k i would think about it. take hundred here and there not get greedy. keep it as a hobby. beats wasting time watching the crap on tv these days..... 1108 they have ripped me off also anon314 a few months ago sent out 20 on 500 offer. i played it in the rules and did not get bonus. after three e-mails credited my account with more dollars. two weeks later under their promotion never got asked for bonus times. once reply that were going to ask accounting. from those lying scum. 1109 money withdrawn w'out notifying player online gambler there's a post over on winneronline.com that fairplay took bonus out of cashin without the player. everybody better check their accounting. 1110 you will do well nt et fan 1111 see rules at casino deluxe....gnossos hixtown if i hear you correctly...your situation is similar. the deluxe one of many operated under same operators and they do protect amalgamated bank by stating that a max payout 25.000 promised to any player in given month for an individual player...any gains past 25g not payable.... 1112 unified software lockup norton i recall reading a thread while back about the locking up after 80 hands or so. am having same problems. solution something to do with soundcard but dont remember what fix is. if someone could repost that would be great. 1113 fix help turn off your sound devices on hardware section of control panel -- this fixes it. 1114 ug other shoe just as he could have lied so that you would keep playing be lying others won't and cut into your action. don't take this personally -- it's it makes perfect sense for someone to make a post here the purpose of scaring people off.... 1115 ug other shoe or - your friend might lie to you so that pass the info along and discourage good players from playing. idiots who don't know what their doing would not get this information. 1116 reply to ug 2 other shoe bill m you sound like a real paranoid sicko. probably too muck coke 1117 where did that come from other shoe seems totally uncalled for. the fact is we can never be sure who behind a post and what their motivations might be. do you really believe everybody on this board or boards motivated only to help others wake up smell coffee -- some people lie further own interests... fyi - no drugs here. 1118 simple question other shoe if he is your very good friend -- why didn't you just ask him the software rigged it seems logical would give a straight answer know well. 1119 john's post about unified bj other shoe some call me paranoid but i find posts ug very interesting . on jan 5 he that the game is too good to be true and lost 100 units in 2000 hands. also states how it doesn't make sense because a player could win 200k year playing bj. then only 9 days later -- says has friend who owns casino his no one wins. so we are believe risked money before talking casino. does this sound little fishy 1120 you know bill m post buster 4 this isn't the first in which you've made a uncalled for personal attack. seems to me you're new around these parts. if that's case hear we behave with modicum of civility on site. i respectfully ask do same. pb4 1121 lol some people are amazing john other shoe.....you gave me a much-needed laugh. would you please get life and quit breaking down my posts do realize just how ridiculous sound....and did stop to think for second that if i were doing well keep mouth shut while the profits piled up instead of drawing any kind attention such supposedly great bj game busy making money at on-line posting here be last thing on mind. but put your mind ease answers numerous very uncalled shots character since friend lives outside us now normally don't stay in close contact with him anymore. we buddies....but when it comes his casino sportsbook it's all business. started an account deposited like everyone else does....that's way he runs things is often too b.s. old friends anyway...you had large business run. so yes play there before speaking him. once unusually poor results then reason go trouble find ask questions. course know i'm wasting time by explaining things.....you obviously have warped made already. go....i'll admit figured out one those horrible who lies their own personal good. i've day job am 6 figures year playing unified casinos scared blackjack boogie men will move riches.....therefore came series them away from golden eggs. safe hiring hackers mess software sure no wins me. can't take chances losing island mansion got me....in fact writing this laptop as sit pool sip drink w umbrella it. ok...so little carried away.. anyway....i apologize length post felt defend completely. save more headaches opinions rest world myself. want believe fine. that's fine too. risk or anywhere to. only thought posters interested what i'd found out.....maybe was wrong. mr. shoe urge fantasy treat others respect. takes small man blatantly attack someone without knowing story....and exactly are. best luck hope everyone's sake wrong about win dough. p.s postbuster you're going after bill m joking why care really should removed attacks 1122 i inhale bill m thanks for sticking up me. the guy actually made me feel guilty. was going to write him. after your post better. would also like comment on his denial regarding drug use. how can you trust a that does not take drugs. maybe he inhale. do inhale.i think unified is okay but play small stakes and usually win or lose only couple of hundred. keep posting. 1123 chill out other shoe john you would think that i had personally insulted and your mother. simply pointed one has to take all of these posts with a grain salt. don't suggested it in such horrible way -- fact told not because the is some people do lie. disagree are naive really post for their personal gain perhaps genuine although if stopped thought about realize story did sound little fishy from an objective standpoint. friendship this guy doesn't seem solid he won't even tell whether ot his casino rigged sure as heck wouldn't let my very good friends lose money knew were rigged. maybe honest man am also. but also sensitive who taking great offense possibility likely given situation. logic work. winning then might still bj game later seemed unfair. clever be adding credibility story. reason why like myself alot on board there lot involved. could know fair will affect decision risk lots money. large influence finmncial life. feel same thinking seriously how much they want game. chance here or new car information more wrong when say have made up warped mind. mind looking here. finally living fantasy world where statement reasonable sends into tizzy claim character been assaulted... 1124 random attacks other shoe bill you should feel guilty -- this board is supposed to be about exchange of information not personal attacks. questioning the veracity a post same thing as calling them paranoid sicko . paranoia occurs when there nobody out in reality we know that casinos and players are there. i don't give crap what think me but your waste people's time so why just before write next time. 1125 gamblers palace bonusplayer anyone else having a problem getting redemption thru neteller with i have heard from another person that's also problem. this is not normal. gp normally excellent about processing redemptions.... thoughts 1126 continued waste of mindpower john i will try to keep this short....have already wasted way too much time on ridiculous argument. shoe obviously know that some people lie and manipulate these boards everywhere else in life. if you'd just stated your case made reasonable statement possibility moved no problem. did not like the fact you kept posting incessently....coming up with more theoreticals by hour. my book repeated inferences go beyond are almost as bad a flat-out accusation is why responded harshly....plus caught me day but that's beside point. also last response proof mind active for own good. anyone who spends finding faults poster's arguments desperate need something constructive think about. fail realize there often separate business pleasure completely....and how buddy is. when it comes money matters we adversaries instead friends. different than friday night poker game....even though probably consider others friends still want win their saying good friend misled or then apologize. far logic goes once again thinking into this. every winning gambler i've ever known very small lot focused play be paranoid about what doing. from experience those skill usually put 100 effort towards craft....the thing coming schemes losers ones have resort those. may disagree this....but flaw logic...it's difference opinion. furthermore could at stake posts. enough common sense forum because can't view them face value. knowledgable trustworthy full b.s. don't facts they do. unless can research validity post satisfaction would nuts make financial decision based read here. so any strong credibility wide-open public board really kidding yourself always many apples out offense contribute sole purpose share experiences give reader consider. all. write anything intent listening me.....it's look said decide agree me. above welcome express opinion suspicous like. do respond should expressed taste using multiple posts fool. 1127 maybe we all have bad days other shoe in retrospect -- i think you are right could restricted my thoughts to a single post. from your response reasonable guy who flew off the handle bit. also overreacted bill's flame against me and some of that got misdirected at you. intention was not make fool out anybody. use term very good friend made us wonder because frankly wish knew someone owned unified gaming casino might be only way ever know if game is fair. for what it's worth would say asked him fair or do he telling it unfair when tells no one consistently wins. seems truth rigged agree 1128 sounds impossible. mott i am a card counter and never gave on-line gambling much thought.i assume the house has .5 adv. if understand your post correctly you are saying have how is this possble counting useless against machine. talking bonuses so they only temporary will not yield consistent expectation. 1131 online gambling mott hi friends im a table gambler and was considering messin around with the web-casino. i have few questions hope can be answered. has anybody figured out what web-casinos edge is due to keeping satistics of long run play lets say 20 000 rounds as example. seldom visit this board but when do there always seems complaints about not getting paid. players get stiffed it only they win ever actually had web-casino refuse give them initial whole balance back that deposited 1132 it's possible et fan try the following unified gaming rules on for size 1d s17 da2 das splto3 ls esa enhva you're wrong to think counting is useless against a machine. there are opportunities internet. people have been barred from ug casinos 6d game . 1133 blackjack in london bj downunder hi i am looking at popping over to the end of year. want continue play blackjack. have heard that you need be invited into a casino uk. is this true or it open for general public what do aware any strange rules comments advice on topic would much appreciated. 1134 no scarce i've never had my deposit not returned although a couple of places have taken an inordinate time to refund it back credit card two weeks . sometimes this is due how things get posted on your when accounts are processed etc. necessary play huge ammounts ie thousands hands at any casino in search supposed theoretical edge as unified gaming's blackjack game or some video poker games from various software makers. bill heywood gives preferred figure 10x the feeling makes his bonus hustling look more like real play. i think too much and necessary. results may vary but rule thumb always than required amount. generally do go over 2 3 times requirements for small hits 25- 40 you can less. percentage err side caution further bonus's also usually percent too. good luck 1135 i've had no problems anon player gp is a class joint. at all using neteller or otherwise. 1136 money mgmt on internet 21 tim williams what kind of internet21 do you have a chance to win at this with correct strategy 1138 beware of bringmeluck just trying to help this place is trouble. believe it. 1139 details please nt et fan 1140 try posting on the outside usa board nt et fan 1141 peace blackjack brothers nt bill m 1142 has anyone won money at net club casino another anon i have played there four separate times depositing between 560 and 1350. each time lost approximately half of my deposit by the wager enough to receive bonus while playing blackjack. tried flat-betting 10 25 but it doesn't really seem matter. yet cash-in any winnings there. just curious if actually wins least haven't had problems getting back what's left money. 1145 how gamblers think anon314 as far my logic goes you are once again thinking way too much into this. every winning gambler that i've ever known a very small lot is focused on their play to be paranoid about what others doing. from experience those with the skill win usually put 100 effort towards craft....the last thing mind coming up schemes losers ones who have resort those. may disagree this....but not flaw in logic...it's difference of opinion. having many professional short life this exact opposite thinks. always worrying get better edge and scemes beat house. it gambler's nightmare take beating several thousand dollars find out they were cheated. only spent time earning ev negative situation. any stays same tricks doesn't try come new runs risk being doomed mediocrity. 1146 gp may be on to you anon314 if gambler's palace thinks are a repeat bonus abuser they review your account and withdrawl all bonuses have had for the history of account. my take up two weeks. aren't stupid. 1147 yes but a warning playtherush i have won there and gotten paid. however this was long time ago. since heard enough complaints about non-payment to make me hit the delete key when get offers from them. 1148 yes . kathleen turner overdrive actually i've had unusually good luck playing bj at net club and no problems with payments. but beware if they feel you are only there for the bonus will give a hard time. now on other hand very bad results www.thecasinoonline.com. in fact just subsitute casino online netclub your post above it describes my situation exactly. kto 1149 my experience stealth i won 200 and then 500 there in october but haven't played since... 1150 ditto postbuster 3 i almost took town bill m's post. but other shoe has responded so well that hate to orphan his pb3 1151 full pay vp also anon i am fairly new to online gambling. is there any reliable casinos with dueces job or other vp. that submit their software independant auditors verify the validity of games it would seem easy make correct in every aspect except royals could not occur but winning hand happen as much should. 1152 global-player david matthews on bj21's splash page http 64.71.133.211 casino has an ad. they have full pay deuces wild and 9 6 job with 4500 for a royal. also pick 'em all-american vp. it appears that the game's are legitimate their cashout payouts done fairly. bj21 webmaster 1154 global player casino bj21 client looking for feedback on the casino. particually success or lack of it in receiving a payoff. i have been successful playing games but i'm concerned about my winnings. they were unable to return intial deposit mastercard card. was told does not allow such transactions. suggested bank draft issued withdrawal. filled out necessary form and seemed things going fine. then next day checked account found had failed be processed. request another which did. people at players prompt replyimg emails can't help wonder if will ever see let this board know outcome asap. 1155 caveats david matthews 1 the gamemasteronline told me about vp games. i do not know them firsthand. 2 played g-p with my own money for a small amount and received payment from by check 10 days after withdrawal. 3 they have always paid their ad purchases promptly. can guarantee anything said but if you encounter difficulty bj21 advertiser will yank when warranted assist other actions toward along you. get very good feeling don't want to make promisies that may be able keep. gamemaster would also corroborate feelings imo. 1157 i have a feeling you'll get your check et fan the problem with mastercard is not gp's fault. recently decided they need to be morality police. first request might been ignored by computer if credit back was still on file. 1158 the only truly bad experience . dvdoc i have had with any e-casino was net club. they simply stole small win about 100 no reason given despite many e-mails and telephone calls. when complained openly on web my account frozen blacklisted from casino. all play legit total action exceeded bonus requirements. scams involved this first time playing there. advice which i've posted here elsewhere is to stay away these people. they're theives. may not pick pocket of every customer but certainly picked mine. if you do a little research you'll find that i'm alone. best luck 1159 global-player hassle mockingbird i deposited money there on three occasions won about 500 at blackjack and requested a withdrawal. was informed that they did random credit card check me were unable to verify my information. had fax statement letter from bank confirming authorization use the card. customer service team is very prompt polite thanked for info but i'm still waiting.... that's funny didn't have any problem authorizing deposits made. i'll let you know what happens not holding breath. went through similar with galaxiworld while back finally paid up it took eight months of headache. 1161 question for dave matthews or wong another anon these ads that you have global player casino and on net... are receiving click thru money new players ie. 10 of deposits simply paid 1162 global player casino bj21 client did you request a withdrawal to your credit card or bank draft. how long has it been since requested payoff 1163 global player mockingbird i requested a bank draft two weeks ago. not an extraordinary amount of time but their responses made me suspicious. 1164 global-player the gamemaster i realize that any comments make about a casino is an advertiser on my site www.gamemasteronline.com as has to be viewed with some skepticism but feel very comfortable vp and other games global offering. certainly agree what david say here while there no 100 guarantee game offered by internet feedback i've received over years indicates runs honest operation. gm 1166 last play in mid dec no problems nt mj 1167 peoples manifesto thomas jefferson we the people do hereby declare a free and open internet press.if an advertiser or soliscitor of any on-line casino shall try to induce us game at their with promises but not limited fairplay prompt fullpayouts bonuses will hold them accountable. also exercise our right acess press make public malfeasace less than honest behaviours on part. go every prominent pertinent message board forum post misdeeds. this ensure that dishonest are exposed casinos know is never held in completely private room ever again. 1168 i-gaming software anyone bill m has had any experiences with this brand i played at one of their casinos lakeside live. see is being used by many on neteller. 1169 getting paid bj.player they're slow sometimes but i've always been paid. 1171 random number generators curious does anyone out there other than myself suspect that rng's are not at all...is it possible they programmed to dish a percentage..after all this genius of machine called computer is really nothing but calculator....if was prove would old up in court.....after the games promoted as fair and random..... hypothetically speaking is... 1172 atlantic interbet hitman do not waste your money or time on interbet's website. they are impossible to deal with. i finally gave up after 4 months of haggling with them a 100 win. there plenty casino's that will pay out quickly without any delays excuses. 1173 what court other shoe if they were programmed to produce a certain return then that would show up in card frequencies combinations etc. this be detectable but perhaps only with large amount of data which cost lot money prove ... add -- even you casino is cheating or blatantly steal your like vegas palace did manyh people still have no it in. i guess the likelihood proving costa tican where many casinos are almost 0.... 1175 mockingbird-payment. support dear 'mockingbird' as we are unable to identify your account investigate concerns about the delays in receiving bank draft from global player. however if you can contact us will find that would have been processed day after received statement providing there were no irregularities on statement. furthermore based antigua please take of mail delivery times depending which part world reside. was two weeks mention time requested a or soonest very concerned message give readers false impression our payment services. best regards casino manager player 1177 court of public opinion kathleen turner overdrive that's the only one could get any help from. kto 1178 almost all our ads are paid stanford wong these that you have for global player casino and on net... receiving click thru money new players ie. 10 of deposits or simply we prefer ads. tried a couple those percentage deals they did not make us because visitors too sharp. don't get losses. in each case the amount were supposed to turned out be negative amount. send casinos but mutually agree abort agreements. honest with advertisers tell them particularly sharp clientele. if want run their here anyway we'll accept agreement structured such way will even lose customers from bj21. 1179 mockingbird-payment. global player mockingbird wrote - that s funny they didn t have any problem authorizing the deposits i made. authorization of credit card are given by your bank however this does not guarantee we will get paid because if is being used without authority or knowledge eventually face costly chargebacks from bank. additional security checks necessary to verify mis-used and course compound sending winnings someone who has acquired details probably a restaurant net purchase. only time ask for verification such as statement when casino account do match on withdrawal request. once again unable identify give reasons these in particular case. procedure may sound rather cumbersome but am sure everyone understand vulnerability cards makes it internet merchants be extra vigilant take whatever precautions necessary. nb process drafts everyday had outstanding unpaid more than day old very long certainly within period you mentioned. trust contact us would like clear up matter soon possible exonerate ourselves. best regards manager 1180 we don't do affiliate percent deals. all ads are paid in advance or by impressions numbers nt david matthews 1181 it might help sometimes other shoe you are exactly right -- but that didn't with vegas palace everyone knows they scum and don't care just changed their name to bettors book opened up a new casino.. the thing surprises me is how rare this given incentive cheat steal fact casinos won't ever answer in real court... 1183 global player casino bj21 client please review the post i made on this board 01-22 at 8 17. it is encouraging to see concern you have make sure your customers a good experience with casino. am also credit card merchant. handle quite few transactions via internet. believe holder has up 1 year after purchase dispute that purchase. my understanding once merchant followed all necessary criteria as outlined by bank and he received approval for then guaranteed payment. been in seasonal resort lodging business over 10 years only back charged was fault. disputes sometimes occur however long we follow proper guide lines had no problems. becomes problem of or person who illegally used card. would happier 1st playing if told advance unable refund funds mastercard. understand persons location makes difficult pin point delivery time. seem know country could be more precise than 2-21 days. i'm can confusion payoff policy new customer. so far happy online gaming service prompt replies emails. will continue play hope draft arrives soon. staff helped reassure confidence acknowledge receipt message soon arrives. 1184 not hypothetical et fan does anyone out there other than myself suspect that rng's are random at all the problem is non-random rngs. rngs present an achilles heel for casino. cheating hindered by a good rng. in fact rng can be used to make harder detect. ...is it possible they programmed dish percentage.. it's more possible. after this genius of machine called computer really nothing but calculator....if was prove would old up court.....after games promoted as fair and random..... you're kidding right taking bets over internet already considered illegal us. just ask jay cohen. so going sue them what being efficient thieves hypothetically speaking is... all. happening we speak. etf 1185 thanks for the tip nt et fan 1186 anyone get more than minimum for mystery bonus hf hi just wondering if has ever gotten the offered at casinos like gaming club and riverbelle 40 to 500 or fairplay casino 15 100 several others i can't think of right now. have tried most these friends who some also together we probably 20 offers every one been that they offer. its always a let down sometimes would do better even give 1 make people feel were not bottom barrel. it reminds me sundowner in reno paycheck promotion where you slot play card with random amount on from 3 300 cash your check. awhile cashed lot checks there around 60 so all everytime was 3. asked cage guy got he said everyone never seen higher. 1187 even worse anon314 i did a mystery bonus that was supposed to be 15- 1000 and got 5. not worth my time complain the casino. 1188 global player update mockingbird i want to follow up on something posted below. it appears was premature in venting my concerns about getting paid as did come through the check. i'm sorry if gave anyone wrong impression. had been down road of headaches and hassles with a different casino past so thought being taken advantage again. apologies friendly staff at casino. 1189 ban question - what happens to my money marek recently i was banned from caribbean gold because behaviour rised a security flag whatever it means. will have chance get the which is still on account mostly results of promotions. should fight for or give up belive they can me but do right keep 1190 you should get it unless ... et fan you've been a really bad boy or it's outrageous sum of money. caribbean gold is part the english harbour group no be reliable but never pays to put all your eggs in one basket imho. 1191 global player casino bj21 client glad to hear you received payment. is your payment guaranteed by a bank or it check that could take up 10 days clear 1192 online gaming sites rka does anyone know of a site or service that rates the various casinos 1193 what the heck does that mean anon314 should be reliable but it never pays to put all your eggs in one basket imho. 1194 maybe.... guess put a lot of money into one ecasino spread it out in case decides to stiff you or flops belly up 1195 if that is true then et fan the master of nonsequiter nt anon314 1196 anyone have exp with casino on net jay i set up an account these guys but they declined my debit card for a lousy 100 deposit. do free area where you can play which is pretty cool what's the point like software it's easy to use can't count cards in bj as never indicate when are being shuffled. assume shuffle each hand there's no way know sure. concern if give them money via another method will pay me out any experiences good or bad would be appreciated. thanks. 1197 what the heck does nonsequiter mean - nt et fan guess maybe he meant non sequitur. 1200 www.themoneytour.com et fan here is a nice one 1201 www.ezgambler.com scarce this is another good one although not as detailed themoneytour. also they miht be getting referral bonus's a result because you go directly from ezgambler to the casino website. can avoid if prefer though. 1202 re rng's ace the numbers in a random number generator are not but do tip houses favor. they part of complex mathematical series that may be although it would difficult predicted. good suggestion for casino website to choose one whose software is tested by third party. 1203 counting online ace does anyone know of any sites that do not shuffle after every hand ie so on the internet would actually be useful 1204 no problems fish i'm an unknown here so take this with a grain of salt but i've not had any con. i once bought in for about 100 cashed out 2600 lucky week at roulette and got my money clean as you please. they don't have fees deposits or withdrawals. their odds seem bit iffy sometimes far banking goes whatever. recommend try credit card that's what always do it's seemed to work. 1205 single deck online rka anyone know of any bj opinion on play. 1206 also had no problem nt gnossos 1207 i got ripped off 3 times fantasypro had accounts of 000 150 and 2900 being defaulted by internet casinos. now play in sportsbooks after half a year only 1 book refused to pay me my 4 660 account withdrawl. this lost about 10 just loans but what can do it i'll stay away from the online casinos sportsbook. will satisfy gambling cravings pokerparadise instead. i'm compulsive gambler it's not affecting lifestyle so don't see reason quit. if quit then there be nothing for do. gives something life thinking that next morning when get up might win. at current rate lose inheritance 5 years time without is live for. want job nor any friends. am using all energy working as professional albeit very unlucky one moment. someday make more money than dead parents luck change. believe game fixed. mean you losing some even go bankrupt. most players are thats why task month study flow cards pattern is. read astrology learn great bet. master numerology grasp secrets roulette. lots with hard preserverence. win back more. show world useful person. regards card counter 1208 payment mockingbird well it's a bank draft drawn on of america new york. hopefully it will clear okay. 1209 i hope kathleen turner overdrive your post was tongue-in-cheek. if so it had a dry humorous quality. wasn t suggest you see therapist right away as need one for much more than the gambling problem. not an attack just honest advice. kto 1211 they seem ok........... arden my concern is if i give them money via another method will pay me out any experiences you have with good or bad would be appreciated. made 3 small buyins last year on m c never really got ahead of but did get 500 credited back to credit card. 1212 ad.....if you are worried about getting paid...... arden does anyone know of a site or service that rates the various online gaming casinos if paid i have suggestions for at casinos-that-pay.com. 1213 single deck online bigal this months casino player magazine has a whole article on java driven websites that offer with very good rules supposidly give the basic strategy .5 advantage. no for counters because is shuffled after every hand and bet spreads are limited i.e. 10- 50 . only one i remember offhand www.sportsbook.com 1214 counting online bigal see my response to single deck above. same java driven sites offer 6-deck games with random shuffles that would allow one count. however as previously stated allowed spreads i.e. 25- 100 are very limited. 1215 sounded like a joke to me... captain jack had me going until he mentioned mastering the flow of cards... ...probably troll. 1216 the key words are nazdeck sinks supposedly gives player a .5 advantage because if it really did i and many others would have long quit our jobs played this game 10 hrs day at max bet for few hundred k per year profit. believers in honesty of ask yourself how land casinos offer like this. 1217 go to www. gravyeater unified.com for a complete list of all their clients. the sites that i have played use unified and them offer .5 single deck game. heard past 2 weeks some players having very bad luck at we're talking 3 standard deviations from ev . caveat emptor. 1218 golden globe and secret city tommygun does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with jungle management put some pressure them. they stolen money from me haven't paid my winnings since october. 1219 global player casino bj21 client i have today received a bank draft from casino. it took approx. 10 days to arrive. 1220 probably a stupid question but rka is the software used for online bj set to return certain per cent casino if so does anyone know approx. 1221 not stupid we all have that question but no one knows for certain. nt guess 1222 ug bj statman i am also dubious of the game -- losers seem to utnumber winners by quite a bit. my latest hytpothesis concerns 10-11 doubles. have just started collecting data but already at 1 in 1000 with many more losses than wins. will keep posted. it's one thing think they might be cheating it would much better figure out how and show statistical near certainty that rigging.... 1223 internet bj geminimack this sounds like a very silly question. but can anyone recommend any reliable casinos where there are games that beatable. i have only played in one - casino-on-line. they alleged their game is 4-deck and from shoe however no shuffling the just goes on discard pile visible. recommendations suggestions welcome. thanks 1225 here's a list bill haywood the following casinos are purported to be part of jungle mgt aka universe holdings golden globe secret city according posters at winneronline.com lucky007 www.secretcitycasino.com www.goldenglobecasino.com www.egyptiangoldcasino.com www.tigerclubcasino.com www.riovegas.com www.renovegas.com www.iecasino.com www.greenfearcasino.com www.gemstonecasino.com www.luckybuckcasino.com www.hiddencitycasino.com www.playerschoicecasino.com www.jaxbets.com www.newplayerscasino.com www.freejavacasino.com www.casinosathome.com www.playerschoice.com 1226 try global player fish do you mean casino-on-net according to the gamemaster's review their bj game is shuffled after each hand. should check out his casino reviews. he seems like very much apparently a basic strategy has slight edge in single-deck i've had less luck there than some other places but many people seem it. fish. 1227 you and everyone bill haywood a player told me that jungle mgt aka universe holdings didn't pay even after promising the igc they would. there've been dozens of no-pays reported on bulletin boards. golden palace i think are most flagrant ripoff currently going. their software is by global entertainment glow which notable for having drink with ice rail bj table. all casinos i've run across turn out to be connected secret city mgt. stopped playing together. both because if not company tolerates such fraud bad news. at least had explanations paying while simply takes your money that's end it. basically tommy you're gonna have let this one go although it wouldn't hurt inform ceo gary borgland borglund globalgames.com they've done nothing now probably won't do anything. might also internet gaming commission www.internetcommission.com. maybe they'll finally get around typing urls onto black list. but speak loudly webmaster sleeping. 1228 great info--thanks nt gnossos 1229 bj question multiplication the software is supposed to play as you would expect e.g. 1 in 21 chance of never see two queen spades a single deck game more than 6 six between shuffles doubles win often they should etc etc. that's not doubt although there are few specific exceptions. for example i saw post where slotland their unusual spacejack progressive jackpot when three blackjack hands dealt odds blackjacks expected by random cards but rather determined some other factor. what whether deals apart from exceptions like above truly random. may accidentally be non and if that randomness favours player those casinos go out business so only ones remain don't favour much should. or could deliberately cheating. one have admitted programming bugs say try fix them. betting an appropriate amount i.e. it hurts lost it's money can afford lose then whenever get bad losing streak very easy impression unfair. no really answer this games fair which known think too bold ultimate about online casinos. we seem closer were year ago. m. 1230 global entertainment tommygun i emailed gary borgland and he said is not involved with just games. any other suggestions who to contact 1231 ripped off dcb i played at one of the single deck unified gamming casinos. seemed like was doing great until started betting 100. lost over 40 units in a couple hours where supposedly had .5 advantage. can anyone help me calculate probability losing advantage approximately 400 hands on side note assuming there really is how many bankroll would need to stay within 5 risk ruin 1232 bad streak odds statman if you were playing reasonably fast and had a decent connection then might get 300 hands an hour or 600 all together. the standard deviation for bj is sqrt of 1.15 so sd would be about 27. lost 40 bets your expected win was 3 which means that 43 more than this 1.6sds. 1.6sd events happen 1 in 20 by chance. has lot variance when only have .5 edge. example -- played 10 hours at per 3000 59 chance being ahead. 50000 there still 6 behind even hasd how many need to play 99 sure ahead 000 1000 2 year. data not huge evidence favor cheat but it suggestive... 1233 suggestions scarce other watchdogs would be gambling grumbles at gambling.com . they're suprisingly effective as reputable sites do not want the bad publicity. and julie sidwell is a gem. opa online player's association might something if you're member. it wouldn't hurt to post thegamemasteronline or e-mail thewizardofodds themoneytour respected for fellow players gain some knowledge of less than respectable outfits. 1234 half right and all wrong bill haywood i rechecked my list i'd said global entertainment instead of games. however borgland is still the licensor for jungle mgt he just works games glow not entertainment. also provided software defunct casino silk whose bj game same as mgt. glogal at www.globalgames.com. 1235 but this is part of a larger sample high stakes drifter i'm guessing here i bet the poster has been playing away at internet casinos for ages and would have suspected foul play any time type loss occured. if that case then not only statistically normal its actually inevitable . 1236 i'm not so sure statman according to the post -- player had been playing at a lowere denomination and switched 100 hand. if we assume that game is same then you are correct this kind of thing inevitable one plays lot. however treat hands separate sample which altogether unreasonable result does offer some evidence in favor non-random game. problem don't know as lower it's unclear approach should use... also - rememeber all other about questionability i am down 2.23 sds below expected my last 5000 ug bj. before started collecting stats was already behind although think it bad.... 1237 bankroll advice dcb i only played for about a week started with 500 went up and down then to around 4000 when betting 100. knew it was too much but over-confident from my recent good luck. i'd like keep playing also don't want lose. first do you think unified gaming blackjack is honest if so how many units would one need stay within 5 risk of ruin ken uston's chart appears be 250 .5 advantage 115 10 ruin. kelly criterion helpful on side note i've been using basic strategy found the wizzard odd's web site card counting system high efficiency offer any additional 1238 yes composition bs would be helpful nt bad cutter 1239 the 64 000 question statman is ug bj an honest game a lot of people have been trying to figure that out. see www.gamemasteronline.com for message board which has reported info about game. 1240 random game kathleen turner overdrive there is no statement on ug's website that claims the i could find . i'm not saying isn't simply pointing out any such website. for what it's worth i've done ok at lower limits but haven't played a significant number of hours ug sites. kto 1244 island casino results of 26300 hands the lurker follow this link for my ug blackjack. course there is some degree error from misplayed and incorrect recording data but i think negligible hopefully cancels out most part. can provide complete ordered set those who request it. consists solely a list numbers such as -1 1 1.5 -.5 3 etc. to indicate net unit return after wagering one unit. didn't have time or motivation record anymore information than this. please e-mail me if you conduct any statistical analysis let know what concluded. 1245 results statman looks like your about 29 units down expect is 140 so you are .9 sds because sd sqrt 26300 1.15. this a 1 in 6 chance -- certainly not huge evidence by itself but then again - ahead of expected and it seems many more behind ev than ahead. everything else relatively normal the wizard odds has great section on what can unfortunately for multideck game comparisons easy to make also his stats do include surrender . overall i can't determine anything particularly damning from data it's just another piece very small suggesting isn't quite fair. 1246 advice et fan first do you think unified gaming blackjack is honest i wouldn't give even odds that any e-casino software 100 honest. if study the literature will learn every casino in nevada had mechanics on payroll before strict regulation started 70's. there no control wild web. none. and competition effectiv