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gotten a fair amount of mail from people saying they did well at but those ug sites must be fixed. i remain confident in both. 755 don't think that would prevent it green baize vampire they could reseed the prng every hand but practical difficulties exist with doing in middle of a hand. is specifically what paper about. now if are reseeding randonly need at all. most casinos admit use prng. 756 careful what you wish for hacker - why aren't a multi-millionaire cause i don't own e-casino an cheat. ps microgaming is the most well respected gaming software provider out there. it's not in their interest to rig games. nope. saying it is. q was if _site_ could and i'm tellin ya just aint all that tough. anyone around here ever hear of disassembler be very careful. 758 doubtful to put it mildly et fan the linked post specifically addresses igt rngs not used in e-casinos. i don't believe was intended as a serious article but somebody decided worth archiving. author makes several naive assumptions about methodology. first of all rns produced are 32 bit numbers. cycle length is actually 16x10 18 which approximately 64 bits imformation. secondly there's no reason that each vp hand corresponds one rn. it's much more natural have card correspond an rn so represents 5x64 320 information. third rng cycles many hundreds times per second just 100. fourth arrangement cards almost certainly stored and shuffled via swapping mechanism detailed knuth's art computer programming vol. iii . thus from day machine leaves factory number random goes into choosing grows quickly million plus range. fifth since machanism there for cycling silly think doesn't continue on remainder pack after initial deal. sixth inexpensive mechanisms increasing randomness eg. background rf noise can work tandem with rng. physical approach software techniques mutually exclusive. seventh well ... could go bit. suffice say has been successful very long time they conspiring make players rich said wishful thinking when comes igt. otoh already well-publicised assaults poorly designed e-casino rngs. 759 bonus hustling ddssa hi so are any of you folks into these net casinos and if please fess up with the ones that best to hit for this right now--meaning youve received a check from them after doing precisely this-- ill share mine kids yours. 760 define bonus hustling chip0x15 it depends on what you mean by that term. if receiving a high percent and playing for several times your deposit to withdraw at slight advantage in accordance with casino rules then the book beatwebcasinos.com has lot of information including list reputable casinos. other hand registering single many simultaneously grabbing running money i don't know any decent place would allow do long. it's great way get blacklisted have credit card rejected. as trading lists can often find recomendations from this site. why not just post few yours i'm sure you'll plenty here post. perhaps an offering entice others share. 761 seized gp funds investigation online gambler if you had deposits and bonuses by golden palace or any of its sister sites microgaming has expressed a willingness to settle. go www.yourluckypage.com the players section forum fill out complaint form. can hear latest news on this fiasco at www.casinogazette.com owners other boomerang inc. casinos have criminal records telemarketing fraud. documentation is being presented kahnawake antiguan gaming commissions. one reasons that no longer their software supplier. 762 im talking about the legal normal means ddssa ive had good results with riverbelle intercasino grand online although not sure they offer a bonus right now prestige can someone share some of their faves thanks. 763 my favorites chip0x15 well i'm about a week away from cashing out on few so i haven't actually seen any green yet. i'll let you know once get the checks. best two i've far are atlantic interbet www.atlanticinterbet.com 25 deposit - 100 bonus english harbour www.englishhabour.com 35 of up to 150 as can see still developing bankroll. then again internet gambling isn't really for high rollers. good luck. 764 be careful with atlantic interbet et fan i've heard of some problems slow pay no pay. 765 good news nt green baize vampire x 766 decent bonus offers steelers fan a few of the better ones i've found netclubcasino english harbor casino-on-net island casino fairplay ascots nice but i have seen questions about their integrity. hopefully they're legit usa 767 casino on net bj.player i have played and somehow managed to break even.it doesn't seem me that their software is truely random raise your bet in high counts you'll find the dealer getting a blackjack with ace hole quite often. 768 i believe conn shuffles after every hand.. nt thus no high counts... 769 i play for fun on there capt shreve don't think would real 771 shuffle points and oddities aside chip0x15 i'd still play there as long they consistantly pay their bonus cashing out isn't a hassle. even if every hand have some of the worst rules in world 1 disadvantage doesn't compare to that 20 bonus. besides truly offer lvs you can get with is around 0.35 right did fix game it would be subtle. otherwise they'd bad reputation for chances are exhibit other undesirable traits like giving winners run-around before paying them. so let's say cheat 3 advantage. could 5 times your deposit expect see bit occurances several blackjacks row will happen though unlikely. three nights ago i got 4 while raising my bets at another casino. our sample size just enough actually determine whether fair. sportscasters often announce weirdest statistics during game. favorite one held until few months ago. since 40's time university kentucky wildcats won ncaa basketball championship ny yankees series vice versa within same year. now these two teams never each college team pro entirely different sports. were might not surprising but think about all those chmpionships 60's or ones 90's. course 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advantage. 775 everyone knows this but wont say it daniel when the odds are against you bet minimum... 776 not sure what your point is ... et fan heck i'll say it. when the odds are against you bet minimum. understand i hope that have a coupon rebates half losses very definitely you. they much in favor unless casino must cheat to offer such great deal. 778 golden palace complaints wanted online gambler the player's association has been contacted by through their attorney in canada. he says that is reading to look at and settle claims made against palace. we view this as a very important step resolving issue with everyone who valid complaint please email us pitbossopa aol.com request form. will be last chance file complaint. notice should posted everywhere where it may read others have 779 why -please be specific.. nt ddssa 780 because they cheat nt luckydog 781 internet sports betting new bettor can someone please tell me what are the best sites for betting. i am to this and it's hard enough picking winners...i don't want worry about not getting paid when do win any suggestions thank you. 783 don't be too sure et fan nice post but your statement even if they did fix the game it would have to subtle. otherwise they'd get a bad reputation for prompted me puzzle out following formula valid blackjack only sds abs bonus - hexmxd 1.15xsqrt mxdxb where d deposit m number of times you must play through collect he house edge and b flat bet choose use. this finds standard deviations break point is away from expectation. example suppose 1 000 snare 200 0.5 three times. evidence cheating decide minimum 5 per hand. then .005x3x1000 3x1000x5 1.31 so cheat just enough make eat though come result will norm. now let's keep other parameters constant plug in different values 2.4 2 1.65 .963 7 .767 10 .583 20 .275 obvious conclusion more less assure profit etf 785 maybe its not blackjack at all... hitman here is a possible scenario the odds are set up like slot machine. casino takes in oh say 1000 from several players and dumps 95 back to some lucky slob. keeps their guaranteed amount someone always winning give them credibility doesnt have worry about few putting large dent start capitol. so it matter if you playing perfect basic strategy predetermined win or lose. i no real data support my hypothesis but do know that there too many times when log on won go into severe losing streak against blackjacks 4 5 card 21's row. im math major can tell am being ripped off. played vegas successfully now for 8 years will be risking amounts of money net until absolutely positive fair game. read posts who feel they been cheated. should concern as patron these unknown establishments. also find interesting out ready come casino's rescue wonder owner employee posting. humble opinion very careful take advantage all free get your hands on. alot places dont even require deposit. good luck 786 winward casino alexander hamilton just curious if anyone has any experience with these folks 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providers to get their official position on assuming responsibility player protection an excellent article print out insert your copy of haywood's book. http www.winneronline.com articles november2000 softwareproviderspolicies.htm 796 10 free soldier of fortune i signed up for an account with them and tried to get my but it didn't register at all. i'm not sure when you the 10. says no deposit required think may require a deposit. am sure. 797 share affiliate profits randy q i thought some of you guys might be interested in this site that shares its casino with the players. it seems right now they offer 50 referral revenue to probably is more profitable unified gaming sites like gamblers palace and sky tower as these give affiliates 10 deposit... so ends up working out a 5 extra bonus for new deposits. not bad deal. www.onlinegamblersguide.com 798 this is weird green baize vampire i've been doing for some months at the cccafe but i was using a little more discretion if not actually keeping thing secret. don't see how they can do this. casinos are continually losing revenue through combination of winnings and affiliate payments from one high profile source it has its own domain name being heavily advertised can't believe would allow to continue. maybe will still profit unsophisticated players who somehow manage lose even with huge advantage. frankly doubt edge just too great. you'd have be real compulsive gambler gamble enough wipe that out. whole seems like ticking timebomb. 799 they are not trying to make money just position themselves robbo who cares about actually making most of the listed internet related companies losing ie in polite terms their cash burn rates exceed profit. why should a casino be any different do you think profit reality buying market share probably so can list merge sell another sucker . sooner or later everyone will realise fundamental paradigm. vast majority dotcoms simply taking investment capital and reassigning it others mostly customers this contrasts with real eg old technologies casinos generate people pumping into would better allocated company. what does that mean us 1. lets get involved reallocation crazy bonuses like one must used only come up once lifetime. don't rational as gift from some north american venture capitalist 2. put too much place cause may go belly 800 my understanding is green baize vampire most of the listed internet related companies are losing money ie in polite terms their cash burn rates exceed profit. why should a casino be any different i sincerely hope you right. however that rather animal from rest dot.com culture. reports at rgt and other good sources suggest these operations generally profit already. further estimates profits will inflate further. don't believe this city mania about all things it has basis fact. we know terrestial casinos have only fraction expenses. more people online every day. public currently zero faith web commerce can improve so on... sooner or later 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turner overdrive rodeo casino seems to be on the verge of pulling plug. they sent out a whiny e-mail everyone who has played there asking for advice how retain players. their previous promotions have been similar consisting 'please come back us' e-mails. - yep know what you mean. many these people are in way over heads. this is but one example. kto 814 latest news from rodeo casino anon314 here is the e-mail casino. name your own bonus kind of like wannabe priceline.com web casinos. he even has an aol address. this guy cracks me up. . hello sportsbook player i am responding to many e-mails have received all you regarding my recent statement. in no danger closing down. backed by a company that trades on nasdaq. appreciate time and written down suggestions. several concerns been voiced about validity honesty first card games are program with 4 billion combinations shuffled every there play. hope believe computer doesn't purposely decide when win. need cheat it just needs volume overall 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get your last e-mail confirming wanted via we'll right out. finally don't really they were playing me it's just hard good help. cc 897 even longer wait now... another anon if they suspect you of bonus hustling will require to 30 days before withdrawing your money. withdraw that keep any have also been known bar people for hustling. 898 they are still giving me excuses lance haven't received the new checks even though i faxed them in a week ago. promises promises. we shall see 899 clarification colin caster do they keep the bonus money only if you contract to your account open for 30 days and then renege or mean will confiscate bonuses any time suspect a new player of hustling withdrawing w i hadn't heard were barring players -- thank info. cc 900 other points micha if you want to compile stats can use the guest mode no need invest real money. only difference is that 1 table provided but otherwise everything just as game. initially games have used an infinite deck i've realized it better they reflect stuff find a bug which i'd be happy fix. i know people usually think demo are fixed in favor of player play 1000 rounds there should see not case course sure 10000 . --micha 901 bonus hustling comments. player example onlinecasino abc advertises 10 cash on deposits of 1000 but requires the to wager an amount greater than deposit plus - in order make any withdrawels. wagers 1200 worth action then makes a cashout request. is this for those that say yes why it has fulfilled his obligations from casino. if casino wanted more play money requirement should be 2x. person goes into land based with coupon 110 matchplay chips 100 plays all mp cashes out what left another could retail store offering off purchase or more. are you them your total only 105 point my post does not want taken advantage they just change their requirement. set rules it's hard do. 902 credit card rejections chip0x15 they won't accept any of my cards. say the address doesn't match exactly. none other 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in casino i.e. everything except video poker and slots. 919 withdrawals on gamblerspalace.com internet gambler anyone here have any experience with this site when do they get deposited into neteller 920 all the emails i recieved kathleen turner overdrive had no table games disclaimer. and offer from at least three different casinos. also understand blackjack to be a game. kto 921 best internet sportsbooks griffo the that i've found are as follows www.gamblerspalace.com www.playersbet.com www.betanything.com www.empressgaming.com www.betallworld.com www.betlaspalmas.com these may not be most famous or reputable places but they have given me great service and good bonuses to boot... still looking for ones with bonuses... please post if you find 'em... 922 agreed griffo i absoluetly agree there is no reason to hastle people who follow the rules. if place concerned with following rules should be changed. was running one of those joints i'd fork over a whopping 20 bonus but require player wager deposit and five times before withdrawing any bonuses. this policy would give house positive expectation provided an average gambler joint wouldn't have worry about hustlers. griffo. 923 i second that emotion nt et fan 927 depends scarce a lot of places offer 20- 30 initial bonus's for good reasons. there is still skepticism out that online gambling can be anything more than complete sham so offering small amount little or no matching deposit decent way to foster trust and engender will among new patrons. are two main obstacles an casino has face stay in business 1 how attract customers 2 keep them coming back. i don't think any single figured the best players. 928 within 30 minutes for me..... hockeystl during normal business hours. 930 opa is worthless nunu don't waste your time at the they're worthless. any casino that waives money in their face gets approval. 931 opa has done a lot online gambler member you think microgaming and golden palace would have parted ways without 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history of stealing from customers. my play all above board. followed rules beyond qualifying play. for whatever reason they didn't pay never bothered give me despite many e-mails. don't telephone number call probably because want hear people steal from. but believe in experience these are theives. i'm happy you've been lucky so far advise is enjoy your luck stay away them future. 943 they have an 800 number... another anon from their website usa toll free - 1 877 416 8169 canada 491 4246 i thought you might been talking about a different casino but received check yesterday with philip kennedy's name on it so i'm sure it's the same place. unfortunately my was only for what left of deposit...no winnings maybe that's why haven't had problem them yet good luck 944 i've never had a problem with netclub kathleen turner overdrive i'm not endorsing them just telling my experience. in fact won fair amount of money there and the checks have always been sent quickly. i believe they are hard on players think only for bonus. doesn't really matter to if follow written rule break unwritten probably going problems at other casinos. btw implying this is cause your problem. case you're wondering what it's gamblers need play here . good luck getting money. kto 945 is offshore action casino honest bobby i've experienced a 100 unit loss in just 1200 hands at their single deck bj game that has excellent player advantage of approx. .5 rules. i'm beginning to wonder if the place cheats. anyone else play there with similar and or different results 946 more details please et fan are we to assume you flat betting one unit per hand also what level betting. i'd be the last say a casino is above cheating. i've heard only good things about offshoreaction. they'd have pretty low cheat at 10 level. but that after all they 947 unified gaming sites stealth from my experience i have no reason to think that any of the cheat... but haven't played offshore action. 948 offshore action is d9 james og i think this makes the theoretical player advantage closer to 0.4 still nothing sneeze at. 949 ad... they are on my blacklist at...... arden is offshore action casino honest at 950 flat betting at 25 per hand. nt bobby 951 at least post a reason with your plug ug player it would be nice if you posted the for blacklisting of offshore action instead just plugging new site. i don't want to see this message board turn into unsubstantiated ads and bonuse offers like so many other boards. 952 no reason to suspect cheating ... et fan none at all. in fact your results are very good agreement with normal fluctuations. one standard deviation for 1200 25 blackjack bets is approximately 1.15 x sqrt 996 expectation 0.5 action .005 150 you actually lost 100 so 250 away from expected result or 0.25 sds expectation. a glance table of distribution shows can expect within .25 20 the time. pretty slim margin. order be reasonably sure 95 chance being ahead you'd need play over 203 000 error free hands etf 954 there may be some confusion ... et fan offshore action casino has the unique distinction of being on haywood's dairy good list as well his beef bad list. reason for listing is one 1 gambling grumble about a bonus not credited with no explanation. but haywood says software this unknown whereas he lists offshoreactioncasino.com unified gaming. perhaps more than 955 100 unit or dollars half-step i actually read the post as a loss which on basis of 1200 hands does seem little fishier. 956 i was down 2500 not 100 dollars units nt bobby 957 calculation of std deviation bobby i thought you had to divide the square root by 2 in calculating which case 1200 hands for me it was actually 1000 would be 1 996 or approx 450. please note that hands. any math folks out there who can clear this up. 958 software bobby the at offshore action appears to be unified gaming. i know this because have played island who also uses software. my results were much better 40 units win though although only 10 there. 959 gp withdrawls j-man i've made several in the 5k range with no delay whatsoever bank wire processed on monday recieved it wednesday or thursday . one withdrawl i was about 20k took a week and half. like all ug sites think they audit large wins 10k above - does this more quickly than most from what heard. haven't played while so tried neteller. that use including say process neteller every day during business hours mon-sun however as opposed to only do for other types of withdrawls. 960 reason to suspect cheating et fan try that again one standard deviation for 1200 unit blackjack bets is approximately 1.15 x 1u sqrt 39.8u your expectation at 0.4 in action .004 4.8u you actually lost 100u so are 104.8u away from expected result or 2.63sds expectation. a this bad should only occur once app. 230 runs of length. since i have suspicious nature would tend cheating. etf 961 nope et fan i thought you had to divide the square root by 2 in calculating std deviation which case of 1200 hands for me it was actually 1000 would be 1 996 or approx 450. no. think may confusing from mean number wins with bottom line end result. example if flip a coin ten times and comes up heads six that is one away expected result five heads. yet person betting even money on come out two bets hole. sd first sqrt 10 2. second . no division either way event .63sds mean. there an error haywood's book this point pointed him. he plans correct next edition. 962 if you lost that much in only 1000 hands ... et fan have even more reason for suspicion. i get 2.86sds which is a one 435 chance. trust are playing perfect basic strategy 963 vegas casino online has unreasonable demands anon314 i played at and after going through all their documents here is a list of things that must fax them. scans attached to e-mails are not allowed. 1 copy driver's license 2 front credit card 3 back 4 statement 5 agreement form 6 for notary acknowledgement 7 utility bill give me freaking break. can understand 5. but asking over the line. everyone else will accept as they even better quality. these guys really big jerks. 964 re 800 number dvdoc i called the number. of course manager wasn't in. never is. did learn that was blacklisted from net club probably because warning messages i've left on various websites about these pirates. support person could give me no reason why this action taken or my winnings were stolen. believe all dealings with site above board. financial due to psychosis whatever stole money period. be smart and stay away joint they're theives pure simple. 965 i agree... captain jack ...however give them a call. talk to support rep. if they don't agree accept only 1 2 3 4 than supervisor. was able get what offering. hint you may need lie as why can't provide 5 6 7...or maybe won't. have handicap obtaining those last three might be impossible for you...threaten discrimination charge 966 mark walters little harry i know steve jobs and the wasniack to name a few. is only one thats out for himself. what ever he into its not good pubilc 967 i was using haywood's book on that point nt bobby 968 basic strategy bobby yes i am playing bs except where able to count modify certain plays single deck game . use hi opt this opportunity arises once every 15 hands or so but adds very little my expectation. 969 don't bother scarce counting except in select cases is a waste of time and money online. most casinos shuffle every hand or do so at minimal penetration. if you're uncertain whether the game randomly dealt why anyway modest progression system sufficient to look like joe gambler. 970 counting bobby i realize the cards are shuffled after every hand. it is no bother to count. have long ago memorized integers up 6 and -6. easy for me. instance if hold 5 4 2 against dealer's ten stand. this adds very little my advantage in single deck game but might as well use info. 971 true enough. scarce the play you suggested is basic strategy. can find all these little exceptions at thewizardofodds.com and they will add a few 100ths to your ev. btw count system you're using very weak one on par with ko redseven for it's usefullness. why not upgrade 972 global player casino is it for real andrew i was told that some online casinos are scams. has anyone won and collected at players please let me know if you have had success winning getting paid via check or wired payments. your responses appreciated. 974 yes. real. et fan i will respond to your question on the misc board as well here singling out global player. first there are people making good money gambling online. book guide advantage players is beatwebcasinos.com by haywood available in catalog section of rge21.com. if you don't want go trouble read a you're gambler and have no advice for other than - stop secondly yes some bad apples among hundreds e-casinos. they pay check or two long they're sure loser. after that they'll simply abscond. place about these places message at www.winneronline.com. another real possibility cheating play hands. should emphasize this more imho. shocks moral universe may not be tough enough online gambling. current market conditions strong sales haywood's put e-casinos bind. it doesn't take psychic see absconding becoming both probable prevalent. many could shock large respected casinos cross over lock their razor thin profit margins. recently decided player off his beef casino list. gp uses own proprietary software which viewed danger signal. played once lost mean whole lot. haven't seen any grumbles them boards means quite bit. an independant outfit impressive. however were starting would with established such cryptologic. can get list cryptologic game master's site www.gamemasterlist.com. look one best sign up bonus. internet like must been days wild west. careful there. 975 rubber checks bill m i have had bounce from black jack ballroom twice and a check flying dragon casino bounced. both are microgaming. made good on the first am working second.i assume will make as well. these drawn canadian bank they returned without reason. used to get draft them that us listed front. any one similiar experience 976 not really bounced.. stealth i had a similar experience w blackjack ballroom though the check didn't exactly bounce. my bank took money back out of account and waited week or so to collect on canadian check. this has happened 2-3 times with site all eventually goes through. 977 don't assume the software is fair kathleen turner overdrive current market conditions and strong sales of haywood's book have put e-casinos in a bind. it doesn't take psychic to see that cheating absconding are becoming both more probable prevalent. many people could be for shock as large respected casinos cross over lock their razor thin profit margins. imo conventional wisdom ecasinos cheat win fading fast. players will not play without bonuses even regular . so must offer them. this cuts significantly into advantage good chance winning long term. most non-advantage would probably never know or care if card games suddenly became non-random changes subtle difficult knowledgable prove game non-random. i suspect two major providers already gaffed bj however gathered enough data my theories. when do sure post results others review. regulation suppliers can say anything they want about randomness games--who otherwise safebet cost significant time money then may inconclusive. up until recently i've given developers benefit fo doubt on fairness games. now all some way. kto 978 mine really did bounce bill m my checks were returned by the canadian bank. they stamped and bounced. bank charged me 10. your to thanks for reply 979 hi opt 1 is not weak bobby it very effective in single and double deck games especially with a side count of aces which i do . also use 6 deckers but cannot talk to the dealer other players much because have concentrate. this blows away systems you mention when one counts modifies play up true -6 982 i may be getting screwed by fairplay and astrobet gnossos is claiming that all bonuses winnings earned during their long weekend bonus promo are forfeited because tried out craps game before cashing out. they say was not allowed to play contending used qualify for the bonus. in fact played more than enough blackjack do dispute that. but 2 days later therefore lose my winnings. believe recently changed rules posted on site. does anyone have a copy of as were around time or from any tropika site jetset bullsnbears etc will do. revoking deducting them wire had said sending me. so with has been resolved favor dipping into account. if you made please get touch thanks 983 this is a stupid rule... james og but i believe it has actually been in effect at tropika sites for some time. however don't have an archived copy of the rules from november. fully support rule stating that craps and roulette play do not count toward required wagers bonus. or blackjack baccarat whatever they want. any casino requires you to cash out rather than negative expectation game no clue about how makes money. unless intend make money by catching people with fine print which my first impression but... 984 rubber checks bill m dear stealth the problem is canadian bank not a member of federal reserve system. no one should have to go through hassle like this collect. i had two banks send these back me. you are lucky your stuck with it. sound pretty hip guy. 985 the stupid rule gnossos but i believe it has actually been in effect at tropika sites for some time. however don't have an archived copy of rules from november. james read site carefully before playing long weekend bonus and remember seeing anything like this on sites. do you really think was there then or are remembering mid-december which is when they made change unless intend to make money by catching people with fine print not my first impression but... funny didn't put their emails announcing promo it's original email any extensions promo. on-site either. 986 the rule was created after initial promo so they could steal from gnossos nt anon314 987 i got out of it too nt mj 990 agree i can't see how anyone would now trust this group. nt dunbar 991 but how long did it take you to get paid john took me a month check from them. 992 is internet gambling that important to you anon all i read on this page are people complaining about being cheated rubber checks bonuses don't get paid phone calls and emails returned etc. if these online casinos so bad their software rotten they pay when should why do keep playing at them take crap coming back for more every time open a door someone hits me the head with sledge hammer eventually learn not door. how long will it leave closed 994 i ll answer your question with a few questions kathleen turner overdrive have you ever been backed off or barred from regular casino tossed hotel room had comps revoked picture put into the g book do continue to play if so why m sure it s not just because like gamble. best 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adkins has documented 170 000 winnings that casinos have failed to pay. also general consensus is they cheat play hands blackjack. i personally had a result was 2.8 standard deviations below expectation promotion way too good be true. etf 1012 names nazdeck sinks thumbzillacasino exclamationpointcasino free-sex-casino 000333casino if anyone sent money to a joint with name like that they got what deserved. 1013 roulette and craps fairplay pitboss the rule has been valid for years ever since casino started. on 30th october our standard terms conditions were updated. this update served only to ensure a greater or more specific understanding of rules. i strongly urge players read rules regulations any thoroughly before wagering as avoid confusion. 1014 re rubber fairplay pitboss i so apologize for the inconvenience caused. unfortunately banks have their own way of doing things. i'm not sure if you received your money or not.. please feel free to email support desk wrt a better solution receiving money. 1015 good on you nt green baize vampire funny thanks for sharing. 1017 suggest you delete this message anon314 it would be your worst nightmare to have gp find and sue for fraud. 1018 good luck online rube you'll get a response much like we apologize profusely for the inconvenience...yadda yadda yadda..we will do everything in our power to rectify this situation..yadda . phoning you no whatsoever and there seems only one 1-800 number all tropika casinos. person then refer their e-mail support which garner same run-around as got first time. these jokers are worst microgaming experience i've had so far or perhaps just been lucky. they'll blame banks postal service whomever they can find but little fix things. 1020 iglobalmedia scarce from their website leading architects of egaming technology and strategy since 1997 has successfully launched more than 50 rich state the art online gaming sites including starluck casino planetluck trusted casinos clubchance mycasinopinions many other well recognized names. ambitious projects are scheduled for this year. backed by a support team 70 in caribbean powered 65 india s most elite engineers business graduates is focused on delivering top quality next generation systems to stay at ahead industry. system includes 32 games html java client download as well. plus it multiplayer interface mail server ad 3 tier multi level marketing program plug play new game adapter fully integrated ecash 100 powerful backend reports keep operations fine tuned highly profitable . never seen before payment solutions back ends traffic traps portals hottest internet 1 up coming provider. let us give you winning edge. mmm hmm.. swindlers..er..online chain apolla big cat luckyland zantana club chance. 1021 no i should not bobby actually it would be great if they sued me. i'd love to see them in an american court. maybe could get a class action going against them. will never sue anyone here--especially when gambling debts cannot collected by law. 1022 two things anon615 one gambling debts are enforceable in many us states. how is this scenario any different than buying a bunch of stuff at the mall then asking for chargeback to avoid paying 1023 need lots of luck bill m how did you know my situation so well it looks like i am not the only one. ever get your money they are run around experts. all have to do is put 379. in infinia account. said would on jan.3 but guess what happen. when and if small win will be fair post it. fair. 1024 much the same if... green baize vampire one gambling debts are enforceable in many us states. yes but no court would enforce an illegal debt. two how is this scenario any different than buying a bunch of stuff at mall then asking for chargeback to avoid paying it be if rescinded promotional offer made you and kept your credit card balance. such situation i think have coming. 1025 unified games john bobby i had almost the exact same results as you did recently at a software site. lost 100 units in about 2000 hands playing their .5 single deck game. wizard of odds told me that was 5 chance losing much so quickly. means there's 1 400 it would happen randomly to both us. now either we're two unluckiest bj pros on internet...or something else may be up. any thoughts this from anyone 1026 poor analogy bobby what would you do if purchased an item with your cc put it on layaway and the store refused to deliver merchandise. this is essentially gp has done numerous players. player loses they win. wins don't pay. 1027 then please explain your logic gnossos the roulette and craps rule has been valid for years ever since casino started. on 30th october our standard terms conditions were updated. this update served only to ensure a greater or more specific understanding of rules. can you give one reason why player should have cash out before being allowed play i'm not talking about using qualify bonus. asking would want prevent from playing after finished qualifying promo instead insist that first re-deposit if wants makes no sense. i strongly urge players read rules regulations any thoroughly wagering as avoid confusion. are so interested in avoiding confusion didn't include such an important when sent various emails announcing long weekend there was word having all money craps. contrary clearly stated each bonus period lasted 1 day. fact it possible claim than 24 hours making deposit. but apparently think is okay revoke number days earned had nothing do with promotion. 1028 but they didn't screw you anon314 if screwed i might be a littel more sympathetic. lose money there other people did. completely different situation. 1029 one of them got me.... arden jokers casino me for over 1 000. i do have up my sleve believe will get money if they go back on line. it works post here. green lights blue skys to you yours 1030 good fortune last neil hi all i have been very skeptical about online gambling for a while probably because ive not had much luck lol but this week it has changed hopefully im on lucky streak. won 150 from 35 outlay like to play slots mostly. my favourite slot site is http www.gamblevegas.net anyone else know any sites thanks 1031 not even rubber anon314 one person i know who played during your late november bonus has gotten all the charges reversed on their credit cards let alone a check. how about sending out some checks 1032 blackjackballroom paid at last bill m finally me and gave an extra 10 bucks for my banks bounce charges. they with american check admitted there was a problem. good them.i still have not been by tropica yet flying dragon casino . 1033 let me get this straight gustav shoe if i want to play roulette or craps at your casino after qualifying for the bonus playing other games you go through time and expense of returning money my credit card sending out a check wire any . then also pay an additional fee visa mastercard when make another deposit. doesn't sound like effective use resorces. glad don't work me. in meantime am more while refunds winnings are transit which from what i'm reading around net could be quite awhile. 1034 is this a reply to gnossos et fan not sure you understand that what describe returning the money my credit card and sending out check or wire if any . then also want pay an additional fee visa mastercard when i make another deposit. precisely objecting to. exactly what's required by rules currently in force at fairplay. except all of us cc fees. - 1035 i think they have a cash flow problem et fan remember warned that promo was too good to be true actually they'll pay off eventually. check your mailbox next thanksgiving maybe. 1036 this guy is announcing his intent to screw gp even though they haven't done anything him yet -nt anon615 1038 unified---too good to be true john hi all.....just wanted give my two cents about the unified software game and its theoretical .5 edge. not only were personal results horrible lost over 100 units in 2000 hands....which is statistically possible but very unlucky just seems way too true. where i played you could bet max a hand get 200 hands an hour. that means can have 20 000 action per hour at edge....and would make if this legit randomly dealt quit your day job 200k year had big bankroll....or still take 20-30 with more reasonable bankroll of 5 or 10k. know some people no complaints unified...but come on...if it then rest. any thoughts 1040 nothing wrong with solidarity green baize vampire worked for the poles anyway. 1041 you are wrong bill m what is the difference between and a sleaze casino play pay. will be blacklisted. i am not surprised lost your loot as sound like real loser. 1042 reply to fairplay pitboss nt gustav shoe 1043 gaming club eric anyone have any experincies with this site and there csm 1044 island pee head i've played most of the ug sites and found them to be fair... though you can get wild swings. lost 5k in a day gained it back next. 1046 very well said nt gnossos 1047 crown city casino not paying online gambler answering emails and their parent company is losing money. 1048 anyone see 60 minutes last night scarce i thought saw a post on internet gambling by david matthews about it. unfortunately missed the piece and only something china night. 1049 60 minutes hockeystl the piece primary focused on wsex world sports exchange and one of their founders jay cohen who was indicted by justice department. he convicted but is now appealing that conviction out bond. i don't recall any talk internet casino games being mentioned. it betting. they also discussed whether or not wire act 1960 date even applies to gaming. overall ok really did bring new issues light. 1050 thanks scarce so basically it was a rehash of that cigar afficiando article few months back. glad i didn't miss anything by it. 1051 60minutes story gotgame any one got experience good or bad with the outfit on 60 minutes last sun evening sports betting are they safe will pay ect..... 1052 unifed nazdeck sinks right i've thought the same thing and not had good results either. why would a company offer such game be vulnerable if it was randon don't you think legit with this edge killed by smart players flat betting less bankroll swings that live card counting too to true i bet on it. 1053 solid as a rock but colin caster spend some time at one of the watchdog sites before jumping in gotgame majorwager.com bettorsworld.com theprescription.com. cc 1054 unified okay with me bill m i believe they are honest and pay promptly. maybe you had bad luck 1055 do you have any stats anon314 how many hands at what stakes to validate that ug casino is honest the only way back up a casino's honesty or dishonesty with game. i know some of them don't pay promtly. asked for wire on 12 11 from one and am still waiting. they said it went out 27. yeah right. 1056 there is no difference that the whole point nt bobby 1057 unified hockeystl 6700 hands played and about a .7 return. not enough to be statistically significant but seems fair me. 1058 which casino and with what bet size nt anon314 1059 about 12 diff ug casinos. avg 20 bet. nt hockeystl 1060 they'll call you a robot online gambler some unified sites have tried to avoid paying big winners by accusing them of play. even roulette players. 1061 gss licensees form group online gambler license holders of gamblingsoftware.com prduct are invited to join a private only explore changing their relationship with one greater franchisee control and company accountability. it has been alleged by existing that not responsive concerns promotion implementation player service accounting issues communication. http www.egroups.com members gsslicensee 1062 are you owed by players fortune online gambler gamblingsoftware.com has announced in response to the association's efforts that there will pay all 15 of moneys their former licensee casino. this offer is not limited opa members. 1063 no stats bill m i play for small stakes and of course do not have stats. the wire business does sound good. can you say who is stalling 1064 tropika is a no pay the l anyone want to play there why won't they know owe many players and do not pay. 1065 uhh maybe they don't have the money to pay everyone -nt anon615 1066 how come the l maybe 1067 your asking me how to pay people the l are you kidding response says it all. best way is not b.s. them and come up with loot. but know this don't keep watch buisness go down tubes if on now. 1068 is online gaming software safe the l anyone play at an site are they okay 1069 rated player belly up online gambler has gone and is not responding to emails. 1070 is that a brand name nt new 2 me 1071 sure looks like it nt gnossos 1072 to hockeystl and billm about unified john i recently talked a very good friend who owns one of the more established casinos. he admitted me that no has ever beaten his bj game for any substantial amount money over time. how likely is this if really nice .5 edge it's virtually impossible. trust word cause easily could have lied it so would continue playing. you two are doing well must be damn lucky or else your casinos don't plan on paying 1074 hi john bill m it's not that i am doing so well just the few times have won got paid promptly. but don't play for much money. 1075 brand name the l yes it is a name. 1076 fariplay astrobet et al. uncle yuck in my opinion 1. they are short on cash. 2. doing a full audit so that can find reasons not to pay people see number 1 . buckle your seat belt and remain i sense turbulence ahead. 1077 bring me luck casino richard has anyone had any problems getting paid at this place they have nice sportsbook bonuses. i'm thinking about signing up and couldn't find anything bad payouts. thanks in advance rich 1078 yep.............they stiffed me 180 the counter first casino ever to outright stiff me............... 1083 only heard good things nt et fan 1084 seems ok scarce a ug site with 100 for match play bonus. you need only your deposit twice i think then the bonus kicks in worth about 50. drawback was that java program kept disconnecting. osg has same but sportsbook. 1085 hi griff the l what does because mean are you being vague on purpose 1086 sports gamblers bookiebasher i love this site and usually sit back read but stumbled upon a pretty cool with misleading name. it is freaks forum. posting forum they have some good handicappers there. appears well managed relatively new the lay out good. bring up here because heck aren't we all information king. .......... 1087 care to give us any further details another anon verify this can you tell which casino your friend owns 1088 give us a url online gambler they have so many generic softwares out there now. 1089 only one casino so far online gambler ok an alta-vista search turns up that gaming software is internet global network's phrase for their software. packages available from winstreak. licensed in st. kitts. what appears to me be site www.casinosoftheworld.com they must new nevahheardofthembefore. registrant network casinosoftheworld-dom suite 1304 925 west georgia vancouver bc v6c 3l2 ca domain name casinosoftheworld.com administrative contact billing tang jill jt11360 jtang vcgroup.com ign inc. 604-689-7779 fax 604-682-4768 technical gurney traci tgw84 tgurney axion.net - street 604 689-7779 682-4768 record last updated on 16-oct-2000. expires 18-apr-2001. created 17-apr-1997. database 15-jan-2001 19 39 21 est. servers listed order ns1.casino-zeus.com 196.40.15.59 ns2.igcorp.com 207.102.158.131 1090 i don't think.. hockeystl that the small wins have recorded would even show up on anyone's radar. .5 edge a 15 avg. bet won't exactly allow me to quit my day job. 1091 tropika finally pays the l at long last i have my dough. 1092 grand ole opry dissatified offers promotions withous specific cut off times then in very short period of time says not valid anymore doesn't pay...........suggest u dont play here 1093 hmm.. scarce usually their promotions are for weekends only of the 20 variety but with a serious caveat. see below please note that this promotion is valid between 13th january 2001 and 14th until 24.00 gmt your first purchase only. continuous promotional abuses from number players have forced grand opry casino to introduce following rule on cash ins in order be able cash-in must either or keep account sum which at least higher than original e.g. 200 balance 240 lose entire purchased amount. bonuses will calculated cashins made during stated period. if not bonus according credit present sunday. management reserves right assess each claim an individual basis. i'd call them you met specified requirements. don't expect any sympathy didn't. might get run around played short period tried out immediately winnings. other has pretty good reputation pay quickly. 1094 they changed promotion rules after the fact ripped off grand opry owes me nearly 200. didn't even respond to interactive gaming council when i initiated a complaint. answered 20 bonus promotion. then refused pay based on condition that was not in lose it all business . claimed they'd sent second email did contain which apparently feel is sufficient. but of course send copy alleged would change anything. they're another one microgaming's sawdust sleeze joints. 1095 problems with grand opry anon123 i would not play at this casino either. they claimed in my case that the promo time had expired yet could explain how account got over 20 which it was is required. go on but dont want to give lots of details just trust me one . help desk multi-layered takes several calls talk person you want. did mention are great britain a full 8 hrs difference pst. if take your chances their promos ahead wait until must deal and youll see what mean 1098 beware gnossos i am involved in a dispute with astrobet which has some kind of relationship fairplay. the centers on whether was allowed to play craps 2 days after promo played blackjack completely qualify for bonuses. fairplay used my account at take back bonuses and winnings that earned astrobet. now instead wiring me 4100 they said would wire says are taking out 3400 only 700. remember disputed not yet confiscated money. be very hesitant place where your money might settle another casino. ps--you may note rules fairplay's post above include statement period promotion will from moment you fulfilled all requirements receive until have cashed bonus or winnings. there no such stipulation any emails sent long weekend is center contend it listed on-site rules. yeah right. 1100 slow pay anon they have been very to since the holidays. i don't know if this is real problems or just incompitance. 1101 which ones please nt anon 3 1102 exactly dissatified also claimed my promo time had expired yet it wasn't stated in e-mail offer as to set frame........i mean 1 year i can understand even if not specified for but week .........especially when they me the 1103 asstro with ya supposed to e-mail a credit code redeem bonus.....never did 1104 same excuse very slow due to holidays nt anon32 1105 just got paid from bring me luck pablo i received payment a cashout on dec. 27th. the are slow but they paying. have patience. 1106 if you believe its fair nazdeck sinks just start flat betting 100 hand the .5 edge with even a moderate pace should yield 200 per hr without bankroll swings of spreading at live bj. then could soon quit your day job let me know how it goes. 1107 i'll stick to milking slowly... hockeystl maybe if my bankroll was 10k i would think about it. take hundred here and there not get greedy. keep it as a hobby. beats wasting time watching the crap on tv these days..... 1108 they have ripped me off also anon314 a few months ago sent out 20 on 500 offer. i played it in the rules and did not get bonus. after three e-mails credited my account with more dollars. two weeks later under their promotion never got asked for bonus times. once reply that were going to ask accounting. from those lying scum. 1109 money withdrawn w'out notifying player online gambler there's a post over on winneronline.com that fairplay took bonus out of cashin without the player. everybody better check their accounting. 1110 you will do well nt et fan 1111 see rules at casino deluxe....gnossos hixtown if i hear you correctly...your situation is similar. the deluxe one of many operated under same operators and they do protect amalgamated bank by stating that a max payout 25.000 promised to any player in given month for an individual player...any gains past 25g not payable.... 1112 unified software lockup norton i recall reading a thread while back about the locking up after 80 hands or so. am having same problems. solution something to do with soundcard but dont remember what fix is. if someone could repost that would be great. 1113 fix help turn off your sound devices on hardware section of control panel -- this fixes it. 1114 ug other shoe just as he could have lied so that you would keep playing be lying others won't and cut into your action. don't take this personally -- it's it makes perfect sense for someone to make a post here the purpose of scaring people off.... 1115 ug other shoe or - your friend might lie to you so that pass the info along and discourage good players from playing. idiots who don't know what their doing would not get this information. 1116 reply to ug 2 other shoe bill m you sound like a real paranoid sicko. probably too muck coke 1117 where did that come from other shoe seems totally uncalled for. the fact is we can never be sure who behind a post and what their motivations might be. do you really believe everybody on this board or boards motivated only to help others wake up smell coffee -- some people lie further own interests... fyi - no drugs here. 1118 simple question other shoe if he is your very good friend -- why didn't you just ask him the software rigged it seems logical would give a straight answer know well. 1119 john's post about unified bj other shoe some call me paranoid but i find posts ug very interesting . on jan 5 he that the game is too good to be true and lost 100 units in 2000 hands. also states how it doesn't make sense because a player could win 200k year playing bj. then only 9 days later -- says has friend who owns casino his no one wins. so we are believe risked money before talking casino. does this sound little fishy 1120 you know bill m post buster 4 this isn't the first in which you've made a uncalled for personal attack. seems to me you're new around these parts. if that's case hear we behave with modicum of civility on site. i respectfully ask do same. pb4 1121 lol some people are amazing john other shoe.....you gave me a much-needed laugh. would you please get life and quit breaking down my posts do realize just how ridiculous sound....and did stop to think for second that if i were doing well keep mouth shut while the profits piled up instead of drawing any kind attention such supposedly great bj game busy making money at on-line posting here be last thing on mind. but put your mind ease answers numerous very uncalled shots character since friend lives outside us now normally don't stay in close contact with him anymore. we buddies....but when it comes his casino sportsbook it's all business. started an account deposited like everyone else does....that's way he runs things is often too b.s. old friends anyway...you had large business run. so yes play there before speaking him. once unusually poor results then reason go trouble find ask questions. course know i'm wasting time by explaining things.....you obviously have warped made already. go....i'll admit figured out one those horrible who lies their own personal good. i've day job am 6 figures year playing unified casinos scared blackjack boogie men will move riches.....therefore came series them away from golden eggs. safe hiring hackers mess software sure no wins me. can't take chances losing island mansion got me....in fact writing this laptop as sit pool sip drink w umbrella it. ok...so little carried away.. anyway....i apologize length post felt defend completely. save more headaches opinions rest world myself. want believe fine. that's fine too. risk or anywhere to. only thought posters interested what i'd found out.....maybe was wrong. mr. shoe urge fantasy treat others respect. takes small man blatantly attack someone without knowing story....and exactly are. best luck hope everyone's sake wrong about win dough. p.s postbuster you're going after bill m joking why care really should removed attacks 1122 i inhale bill m thanks for sticking up me. the guy actually made me feel guilty. was going to write him. after your post better. would also like comment on his denial regarding drug use. how can you trust a that does not take drugs. maybe he inhale. do inhale.i think unified is okay but play small stakes and usually win or lose only couple of hundred. keep posting. 1123 chill out other shoe john you would think that i had personally insulted and your mother. simply pointed one has to take all of these posts with a grain salt. don't suggested it in such horrible way -- fact told not because the is some people do lie. disagree are naive really post for their personal gain perhaps genuine although if stopped thought about realize story did sound little fishy from an objective standpoint. friendship this guy doesn't seem solid he won't even tell whether ot his casino rigged sure as heck wouldn't let my very good friends lose money knew were rigged. maybe honest man am also. but also sensitive who taking great offense possibility likely given situation. logic work. winning then might still bj game later seemed unfair. clever be adding credibility story. reason why like myself alot on board there lot involved. could know fair will affect decision risk lots money. large influence finmncial life. feel same thinking seriously how much they want game. chance here or new car information more wrong when say have made up warped mind. mind looking here. finally living fantasy world where statement reasonable sends into tizzy claim character been assaulted... 1124 random attacks other shoe bill you should feel guilty -- this board is supposed to be about exchange of information not personal attacks. questioning the veracity a post same thing as calling them paranoid sicko . paranoia occurs when there nobody out in reality we know that casinos and players are there. i don't give crap what think me but your waste people's time so why just before write next time. 1125 gamblers palace bonusplayer anyone else having a problem getting redemption thru neteller with i have heard from another person that's also problem. this is not normal. gp normally excellent about processing redemptions.... thoughts 1126 continued waste of mindpower john i will try to keep this short....have already wasted way too much time on ridiculous argument. shoe obviously know that some people lie and manipulate these boards everywhere else in life. if you'd just stated your case made reasonable statement possibility moved no problem. did not like the fact you kept posting incessently....coming up with more theoreticals by hour. my book repeated inferences go beyond are almost as bad a flat-out accusation is why responded harshly....plus caught me day but that's beside point. also last response proof mind active for own good. anyone who spends finding faults poster's arguments desperate need something constructive think about. fail realize there often separate business pleasure completely....and how buddy is. when it comes money matters we adversaries instead friends. different than friday night poker game....even though probably consider others friends still want win their saying good friend misled or then apologize. far logic goes once again thinking into this. every winning gambler i've ever known very small lot focused play be paranoid about what doing. from experience those skill usually put 100 effort towards craft....the thing coming schemes losers ones have resort those. may disagree this....but flaw logic...it's difference opinion. furthermore could at stake posts. enough common sense forum because can't view them face value. knowledgable trustworthy full b.s. don't facts they do. unless can research validity post satisfaction would nuts make financial decision based read here. so any strong credibility wide-open public board really kidding yourself always many apples out offense contribute sole purpose share experiences give reader consider. all. write anything intent listening me.....it's look said decide agree me. above welcome express opinion suspicous like. do respond should expressed taste using multiple posts fool. 1127 maybe we all have bad days other shoe in retrospect -- i think you are right could restricted my thoughts to a single post. from your response reasonable guy who flew off the handle bit. also overreacted bill's flame against me and some of that got misdirected at you. intention was not make fool out anybody. use term very good friend made us wonder because frankly wish knew someone owned unified gaming casino might be only way ever know if game is fair. for what it's worth would say asked him fair or do he telling it unfair when tells no one consistently wins. seems truth rigged agree 1128 sounds impossible. mott i am a card counter and never gave on-line gambling much thought.i assume the house has .5 adv. if understand your post correctly you are saying have how is this possble counting useless against machine. talking bonuses so they only temporary will not yield consistent expectation. 1131 online gambling mott hi friends im a table gambler and was considering messin around with the web-casino. i have few questions hope can be answered. has anybody figured out what web-casinos edge is due to keeping satistics of long run play lets say 20 000 rounds as example. seldom visit this board but when do there always seems complaints about not getting paid. players get stiffed it only they win ever actually had web-casino refuse give them initial whole balance back that deposited 1132 it's possible et fan try the following unified gaming rules on for size 1d s17 da2 das splto3 ls esa enhva you're wrong to think counting is useless against a machine. there are opportunities internet. people have been barred from ug casinos 6d game . 1133 blackjack in london bj downunder hi i am looking at popping over to the end of year. want continue play blackjack. have heard that you need be invited into a casino uk. is this true or it open for general public what do aware any strange rules comments advice on topic would much appreciated. 1134 no scarce i've never had my deposit not returned although a couple of places have taken an inordinate time to refund it back credit card two weeks . sometimes this is due how things get posted on your when accounts are processed etc. necessary play huge ammounts ie thousands hands at any casino in search supposed theoretical edge as unified gaming's blackjack game or some video poker games from various software makers. bill heywood gives preferred figure 10x the feeling makes his bonus hustling look more like real play. i think too much and necessary. results may vary but rule thumb always than required amount. generally do go over 2 3 times requirements for small hits 25- 40 you can less. percentage err side caution further bonus's also usually percent too. good luck 1135 i've had no problems anon player gp is a class joint. at all using neteller or otherwise. 1136 money mgmt on internet 21 tim williams what kind of internet21 do you have a chance to win at this with correct strategy 1138 beware of bringmeluck just trying to help this place is trouble. believe it. 1139 details please nt et fan 1140 try posting on the outside usa board nt et fan 1141 peace blackjack brothers nt bill m 1142 has anyone won money at net club casino another anon i have played there four separate times depositing between 560 and 1350. each time lost approximately half of my deposit by the wager enough to receive bonus while playing blackjack. tried flat-betting 10 25 but it doesn't really seem matter. yet cash-in any winnings there. just curious if actually wins least haven't had problems getting back what's left money. 1145 how gamblers think anon314 as far my logic goes you are once again thinking way too much into this. every winning gambler that i've ever known a very small lot is focused on their play to be paranoid about what others doing. from experience those with the skill win usually put 100 effort towards craft....the last thing mind coming up schemes losers ones who have resort those. may disagree this....but not flaw in logic...it's difference of opinion. having many professional short life this exact opposite thinks. always worrying get better edge and scemes beat house. it gambler's nightmare take beating several thousand dollars find out they were cheated. only spent time earning ev negative situation. any stays same tricks doesn't try come new runs risk being doomed mediocrity. 1146 gp may be on to you anon314 if gambler's palace thinks are a repeat bonus abuser they review your account and withdrawl all bonuses have had for the history of account. my take up two weeks. aren't stupid. 1147 yes but a warning playtherush i have won there and gotten paid. however this was long time ago. since heard enough complaints about non-payment to make me hit the delete key when get offers from them. 1148 yes . kathleen turner overdrive actually i've had unusually good luck playing bj at net club and no problems with payments. but beware if they feel you are only there for the bonus will give a hard time. now on other hand very bad results www.thecasinoonline.com. in fact just subsitute casino online netclub your post above it describes my situation exactly. kto 1149 my experience stealth i won 200 and then 500 there in october but haven't played since... 1150 ditto postbuster 3 i almost took town bill m's post. but other shoe has responded so well that hate to orphan his pb3 1151 full pay vp also anon i am fairly new to online gambling. is there any reliable casinos with dueces job or other vp. that submit their software independant auditors verify the validity of games it would seem easy make correct in every aspect except royals could not occur but winning hand happen as much should. 1152 global-player david matthews on bj21's splash page http 64.71.133.211 casino has an ad. they have full pay deuces wild and 9 6 job with 4500 for a royal. also pick 'em all-american vp. it appears that the game's are legitimate their cashout payouts done fairly. bj21 webmaster 1154 global player casino bj21 client looking for feedback on the casino. particually success or lack of it in receiving a payoff. i have been successful playing games but i'm concerned about my winnings. they were unable to return intial deposit mastercard card. was told does not allow such transactions. suggested bank draft issued withdrawal. filled out necessary form and seemed things going fine. then next day checked account found had failed be processed. request another which did. people at players prompt replyimg emails can't help wonder if will ever see let this board know outcome asap. 1155 caveats david matthews 1 the gamemasteronline told me about vp games. i do not know them firsthand. 2 played g-p with my own money for a small amount and received payment from by check 10 days after withdrawal. 3 they have always paid their ad purchases promptly. can guarantee anything said but if you encounter difficulty bj21 advertiser will yank when warranted assist other actions toward along you. get very good feeling don't want to make promisies that may be able keep. gamemaster would also corroborate feelings imo. 1157 i have a feeling you'll get your check et fan the problem with mastercard is not gp's fault. recently decided they need to be morality police. first request might been ignored by computer if credit back was still on file. 1158 the only truly bad experience . dvdoc i have had with any e-casino was net club. they simply stole small win about 100 no reason given despite many e-mails and telephone calls. when complained openly on web my account frozen blacklisted from casino. all play legit total action exceeded bonus requirements. scams involved this first time playing there. advice which i've posted here elsewhere is to stay away these people. they're theives. may not pick pocket of every customer but certainly picked mine. if you do a little research you'll find that i'm alone. best luck 1159 global-player hassle mockingbird i deposited money there on three occasions won about 500 at blackjack and requested a withdrawal. was informed that they did random credit card check me were unable to verify my information. had fax statement letter from bank confirming authorization use the card. customer service team is very prompt polite thanked for info but i'm still waiting.... that's funny didn't have any problem authorizing deposits made. i'll let you know what happens not holding breath. went through similar with galaxiworld while back finally paid up it took eight months of headache. 1161 question for dave matthews or wong another anon these ads that you have global player casino and on net... are receiving click thru money new players ie. 10 of deposits simply paid 1162 global player casino bj21 client did you request a withdrawal to your credit card or bank draft. how long has it been since requested payoff 1163 global player mockingbird i requested a bank draft two weeks ago. not an extraordinary amount of time but their responses made me suspicious. 1164 global-player the gamemaster i realize that any comments make about a casino is an advertiser on my site www.gamemasteronline.com as has to be viewed with some skepticism but feel very comfortable vp and other games global offering. certainly agree what david say here while there no 100 guarantee game offered by internet feedback i've received over years indicates runs honest operation. gm 1166 last play in mid dec no problems nt mj 1167 peoples manifesto thomas jefferson we the people do hereby declare a free and open internet press.if an advertiser or soliscitor of any on-line casino shall try to induce us game at their with promises but not limited fairplay prompt fullpayouts bonuses will hold them accountable. also exercise our right acess press make public malfeasace less than honest behaviours on part. go every prominent pertinent message board forum post misdeeds. this ensure that dishonest are exposed casinos know is never held in completely private room ever again. 1168 i-gaming software anyone bill m has had any experiences with this brand i played at one of their casinos lakeside live. see is being used by many on neteller. 1169 getting paid bj.player they're slow sometimes but i've always been paid. 1171 random number generators curious does anyone out there other than myself suspect that rng's are not at all...is it possible they programmed to dish a percentage..after all this genius of machine called computer is really nothing but calculator....if was prove would old up in court.....after the games promoted as fair and random..... hypothetically speaking is... 1172 atlantic interbet hitman do not waste your money or time on interbet's website. they are impossible to deal with. i finally gave up after 4 months of haggling with them a 100 win. there plenty casino's that will pay out quickly without any delays excuses. 1173 what court other shoe if they were programmed to produce a certain return then that would show up in card frequencies combinations etc. this be detectable but perhaps only with large amount of data which cost lot money prove ... add -- even you casino is cheating or blatantly steal your like vegas palace did manyh people still have no it in. i guess the likelihood proving costa tican where many casinos are almost 0.... 1175 mockingbird-payment. support dear 'mockingbird' as we are unable to identify your account investigate concerns about the delays in receiving bank draft from global player. however if you can contact us will find that would have been processed day after received statement providing there were no irregularities on statement. furthermore based antigua please take of mail delivery times depending which part world reside. was two weeks mention time requested a or soonest very concerned message give readers false impression our payment services. best regards casino manager player 1177 court of public opinion kathleen turner overdrive that's the only one could get any help from. kto 1178 almost all our ads are paid stanford wong these that you have for global player casino and on net... receiving click thru money new players ie. 10 of deposits or simply we prefer ads. tried a couple those percentage deals they did not make us because visitors too sharp. don't get losses. in each case the amount were supposed to turned out be negative amount. send casinos but mutually agree abort agreements. honest with advertisers tell them particularly sharp clientele. if want run their here anyway we'll accept agreement structured such way will even lose customers from bj21. 1179 mockingbird-payment. global player mockingbird wrote - that s funny they didn t have any problem authorizing the deposits i made. authorization of credit card are given by your bank however this does not guarantee we will get paid because if is being used without authority or knowledge eventually face costly chargebacks from bank. additional security checks necessary to verify mis-used and course compound sending winnings someone who has acquired details probably a restaurant net purchase. only time ask for verification such as statement when casino account do match on withdrawal request. once again unable identify give reasons these in particular case. procedure may sound rather cumbersome but am sure everyone understand vulnerability cards makes it internet merchants be extra vigilant take whatever precautions necessary. nb process drafts everyday had outstanding unpaid more than day old very long certainly within period you mentioned. trust contact us would like clear up matter soon possible exonerate ourselves. best regards manager 1180 we don't do affiliate percent deals. all ads are paid in advance or by impressions numbers nt david matthews 1181 it might help sometimes other shoe you are exactly right -- but that didn't with vegas palace everyone knows they scum and don't care just changed their name to bettors book opened up a new casino.. the thing surprises me is how rare this given incentive cheat steal fact casinos won't ever answer in real court... 1183 global player casino bj21 client please review the post i made on this board 01-22 at 8 17. it is encouraging to see concern you have make sure your customers a good experience with casino. am also credit card merchant. handle quite few transactions via internet. believe holder has up 1 year after purchase dispute that purchase. my understanding once merchant followed all necessary criteria as outlined by bank and he received approval for then guaranteed payment. been in seasonal resort lodging business over 10 years only back charged was fault. disputes sometimes occur however long we follow proper guide lines had no problems. becomes problem of or person who illegally used card. would happier 1st playing if told advance unable refund funds mastercard. understand persons location makes difficult pin point delivery time. seem know country could be more precise than 2-21 days. i'm can confusion payoff policy new customer. so far happy online gaming service prompt replies emails. will continue play hope draft arrives soon. staff helped reassure confidence acknowledge receipt message soon arrives. 1184 not hypothetical et fan does anyone out there other than myself suspect that rng's are random at all the problem is non-random rngs. rngs present an achilles heel for casino. cheating hindered by a good rng. in fact rng can be used to make harder detect. ...is it possible they programmed dish percentage.. it's more possible. after this genius of machine called computer really nothing but calculator....if was prove would old up court.....after games promoted as fair and random..... you're kidding right taking bets over internet already considered illegal us. just ask jay cohen. so going sue them what being efficient thieves hypothetically speaking is... all. happening we speak. etf 1185 thanks for the tip nt et fan 1186 anyone get more than minimum for mystery bonus hf hi just wondering if has ever gotten the offered at casinos like gaming club and riverbelle 40 to 500 or fairplay casino 15 100 several others i can't think of right now. have tried most these friends who some also together we probably 20 offers every one been that they offer. its always a let down sometimes would do better even give 1 make people feel were not bottom barrel. it reminds me sundowner in reno paycheck promotion where you slot play card with random amount on from 3 300 cash your check. awhile cashed lot checks there around 60 so all everytime was 3. asked cage guy got he said everyone never seen higher. 1187 even worse anon314 i did a mystery bonus that was supposed to be 15- 1000 and got 5. not worth my time complain the casino. 1188 global player update mockingbird i want to follow up on something posted below. it appears was premature in venting my concerns about getting paid as did come through the check. i'm sorry if gave anyone wrong impression. had been down road of headaches and hassles with a different casino past so thought being taken advantage again. apologies friendly staff at casino. 1189 ban question - what happens to my money marek recently i was banned from caribbean gold because behaviour rised a security flag whatever it means. will have chance get the which is still on account mostly results of promotions. should fight for or give up belive they can me but do right keep 1190 you should get it unless ... et fan you've been a really bad boy or it's outrageous sum of money. caribbean gold is part the english harbour group no be reliable but never pays to put all your eggs in one basket imho. 1191 global player casino bj21 client glad to hear you received payment. is your payment guaranteed by a bank or it check that could take up 10 days clear 1192 online gaming sites rka does anyone know of a site or service that rates the various casinos 1193 what the heck does that mean anon314 should be reliable but it never pays to put all your eggs in one basket imho. 1194 maybe.... guess put a lot of money into one ecasino spread it out in case decides to stiff you or flops belly up 1195 if that is true then et fan the master of nonsequiter nt anon314 1196 anyone have exp with casino on net jay i set up an account these guys but they declined my debit card for a lousy 100 deposit. do free area where you can play which is pretty cool what's the point like software it's easy to use can't count cards in bj as never indicate when are being shuffled. assume shuffle each hand there's no way know sure. concern if give them money via another method will pay me out any experiences good or bad would be appreciated. thanks. 1197 what the heck does nonsequiter mean - nt et fan guess maybe he meant non sequitur. 1200 www.themoneytour.com et fan here is a nice one 1201 www.ezgambler.com scarce this is another good one although not as detailed themoneytour. also they miht be getting referral bonus's a result because you go directly from ezgambler to the casino website. can avoid if prefer though. 1202 re rng's ace the numbers in a random number generator are not but do tip houses favor. they part of complex mathematical series that may be although it would difficult predicted. good suggestion for casino website to choose one whose software is tested by third party. 1203 counting online ace does anyone know of any sites that do not shuffle after every hand ie so on the internet would actually be useful 1204 no problems fish i'm an unknown here so take this with a grain of salt but i've not had any con. i once bought in for about 100 cashed out 2600 lucky week at roulette and got my money clean as you please. they don't have fees deposits or withdrawals. their odds seem bit iffy sometimes far banking goes whatever. recommend try credit card that's what always do it's seemed to work. 1205 single deck online rka anyone know of any bj opinion on play. 1206 also had no problem nt gnossos 1207 i got ripped off 3 times fantasypro had accounts of 000 150 and 2900 being defaulted by internet casinos. now play in sportsbooks after half a year only 1 book refused to pay me my 4 660 account withdrawl. this lost about 10 just loans but what can do it i'll stay away from the online casinos sportsbook. will satisfy gambling cravings pokerparadise instead. i'm compulsive gambler it's not affecting lifestyle so don't see reason quit. if quit then there be nothing for do. gives something life thinking that next morning when get up might win. at current rate lose inheritance 5 years time without is live for. want job nor any friends. am using all energy working as professional albeit very unlucky one moment. someday make more money than dead parents luck change. believe game fixed. mean you losing some even go bankrupt. most players are thats why task month study flow cards pattern is. read astrology learn great bet. master numerology grasp secrets roulette. lots with hard preserverence. win back more. show world useful person. regards card counter 1208 payment mockingbird well it's a bank draft drawn on of america new york. hopefully it will clear okay. 1209 i hope kathleen turner overdrive your post was tongue-in-cheek. if so it had a dry humorous quality. wasn t suggest you see therapist right away as need one for much more than the gambling problem. not an attack just honest advice. kto 1211 they seem ok........... arden my concern is if i give them money via another method will pay me out any experiences you have with good or bad would be appreciated. made 3 small buyins last year on m c never really got ahead of but did get 500 credited back to credit card. 1212 ad.....if you are worried about getting paid...... arden does anyone know of a site or service that rates the various online gaming casinos if paid i have suggestions for at casinos-that-pay.com. 1213 single deck online bigal this months casino player magazine has a whole article on java driven websites that offer with very good rules supposidly give the basic strategy .5 advantage. no for counters because is shuffled after every hand and bet spreads are limited i.e. 10- 50 . only one i remember offhand www.sportsbook.com 1214 counting online bigal see my response to single deck above. same java driven sites offer 6-deck games with random shuffles that would allow one count. however as previously stated allowed spreads i.e. 25- 100 are very limited. 1215 sounded like a joke to me... captain jack had me going until he mentioned mastering the flow of cards... ...probably troll. 1216 the key words are nazdeck sinks supposedly gives player a .5 advantage because if it really did i and many others would have long quit our jobs played this game 10 hrs day at max bet for few hundred k per year profit. believers in honesty of ask yourself how land casinos offer like this. 1217 go to www. gravyeater unified.com for a complete list of all their clients. the sites that i have played use unified and them offer .5 single deck game. heard past 2 weeks some players having very bad luck at we're talking 3 standard deviations from ev . caveat emptor. 1218 golden globe and secret city tommygun does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with jungle management put some pressure them. they stolen money from me haven't paid my winnings since october. 1219 global player casino bj21 client i have today received a bank draft from casino. it took approx. 10 days to arrive. 1220 probably a stupid question but rka is the software used for online bj set to return certain per cent casino if so does anyone know approx. 1221 not stupid we all have that question but no one knows for certain. nt guess 1222 ug bj statman i am also dubious of the game -- losers seem to utnumber winners by quite a bit. my latest hytpothesis concerns 10-11 doubles. have just started collecting data but already at 1 in 1000 with many more losses than wins. will keep posted. it's one thing think they might be cheating it would much better figure out how and show statistical near certainty that rigging.... 1223 internet bj geminimack this sounds like a very silly question. but can anyone recommend any reliable casinos where there are games that beatable. i have only played in one - casino-on-line. they alleged their game is 4-deck and from shoe however no shuffling the just goes on discard pile visible. recommendations suggestions welcome. thanks 1225 here's a list bill haywood the following casinos are purported to be part of jungle mgt aka universe holdings golden globe secret city according posters at winneronline.com lucky007 www.secretcitycasino.com www.goldenglobecasino.com www.egyptiangoldcasino.com www.tigerclubcasino.com www.riovegas.com www.renovegas.com www.iecasino.com www.greenfearcasino.com www.gemstonecasino.com www.luckybuckcasino.com www.hiddencitycasino.com www.playerschoicecasino.com www.jaxbets.com www.newplayerscasino.com www.freejavacasino.com www.casinosathome.com www.playerschoice.com 1226 try global player fish do you mean casino-on-net according to the gamemaster's review their bj game is shuffled after each hand. should check out his casino reviews. he seems like very much apparently a basic strategy has slight edge in single-deck i've had less luck there than some other places but many people seem it. fish. 1227 you and everyone bill haywood a player told me that jungle mgt aka universe holdings didn't pay even after promising the igc they would. there've been dozens of no-pays reported on bulletin boards. golden palace i think are most flagrant ripoff currently going. their software is by global entertainment glow which notable for having drink with ice rail bj table. all casinos i've run across turn out to be connected secret city mgt. stopped playing together. both because if not company tolerates such fraud bad news. at least had explanations paying while simply takes your money that's end it. basically tommy you're gonna have let this one go although it wouldn't hurt inform ceo gary borgland borglund globalgames.com they've done nothing now probably won't do anything. might also internet gaming commission www.internetcommission.com. maybe they'll finally get around typing urls onto black list. but speak loudly webmaster sleeping. 1228 great info--thanks nt gnossos 1229 bj question multiplication the software is supposed to play as you would expect e.g. 1 in 21 chance of never see two queen spades a single deck game more than 6 six between shuffles doubles win often they should etc etc. that's not doubt although there are few specific exceptions. for example i saw post where slotland their unusual spacejack progressive jackpot when three blackjack hands dealt odds blackjacks expected by random cards but rather determined some other factor. what whether deals apart from exceptions like above truly random. may accidentally be non and if that randomness favours player those casinos go out business so only ones remain don't favour much should. or could deliberately cheating. one have admitted programming bugs say try fix them. betting an appropriate amount i.e. it hurts lost it's money can afford lose then whenever get bad losing streak very easy impression unfair. no really answer this games fair which known think too bold ultimate about online casinos. we seem closer were year ago. m. 1230 global entertainment tommygun i emailed gary borgland and he said is not involved with just games. any other suggestions who to contact 1231 ripped off dcb i played at one of the single deck unified gamming casinos. seemed like was doing great until started betting 100. lost over 40 units in a couple hours where supposedly had .5 advantage. can anyone help me calculate probability losing advantage approximately 400 hands on side note assuming there really is how many bankroll would need to stay within 5 risk ruin 1232 bad streak odds statman if you were playing reasonably fast and had a decent connection then might get 300 hands an hour or 600 all together. the standard deviation for bj is sqrt of 1.15 so sd would be about 27. lost 40 bets your expected win was 3 which means that 43 more than this 1.6sds. 1.6sd events happen 1 in 20 by chance. has lot variance when only have .5 edge. example -- played 10 hours at per 3000 59 chance being ahead. 50000 there still 6 behind even hasd how many need to play 99 sure ahead 000 1000 2 year. data not huge evidence favor cheat but it suggestive... 1233 suggestions scarce other watchdogs would be gambling grumbles at gambling.com . they're suprisingly effective as reputable sites do not want the bad publicity. and julie sidwell is a gem. opa online player's association might something if you're member. it wouldn't hurt to post thegamemasteronline or e-mail thewizardofodds themoneytour respected for fellow players gain some knowledge of less than respectable outfits. 1234 half right and all wrong bill haywood i rechecked my list i'd said global entertainment instead of games. however borgland is still the licensor for jungle mgt he just works games glow not entertainment. also provided software defunct casino silk whose bj game same as mgt. glogal at www.globalgames.com. 1235 but this is part of a larger sample high stakes drifter i'm guessing here i bet the poster has been playing away at internet casinos for ages and would have suspected foul play any time type loss occured. if that case then not only statistically normal its actually inevitable . 1236 i'm not so sure statman according to the post -- player had been playing at a lowere denomination and switched 100 hand. if we assume that game is same then you are correct this kind of thing inevitable one plays lot. however treat hands separate sample which altogether unreasonable result does offer some evidence in favor non-random game. problem don't know as lower it's unclear approach should use... also - rememeber all other about questionability i am down 2.23 sds below expected my last 5000 ug bj. before started collecting stats was already behind although think it bad.... 1237 bankroll advice dcb i only played for about a week started with 500 went up and down then to around 4000 when betting 100. knew it was too much but over-confident from my recent good luck. i'd like keep playing also don't want lose. first do you think unified gaming blackjack is honest if so how many units would one need stay within 5 risk of ruin ken uston's chart appears be 250 .5 advantage 115 10 ruin. kelly criterion helpful on side note i've been using basic strategy found the wizzard odd's web site card counting system high efficiency offer any additional 1238 yes composition bs would be helpful nt bad cutter 1239 the 64 000 question statman is ug bj an honest game a lot of people have been trying to figure that out. see www.gamemasteronline.com for message board which has reported info about game. 1240 random game kathleen turner overdrive there is no statement on ug's website that claims the i could find . i'm not saying isn't simply pointing out any such website. for what it's worth i've done ok at lower limits but haven't played a significant number of hours ug sites. kto 1244 island casino results of 26300 hands the lurker follow this link for my ug blackjack. course there is some degree error from misplayed and incorrect recording data but i think negligible hopefully cancels out most part. can provide complete ordered set those who request it. consists solely a list numbers such as -1 1 1.5 -.5 3 etc. to indicate net unit return after wagering one unit. didn't have time or motivation record anymore information than this. please e-mail me if you conduct any statistical analysis let know what concluded. 1245 results statman looks like your about 29 units down expect is 140 so you are .9 sds because sd sqrt 26300 1.15. this a 1 in 6 chance -- certainly not huge evidence by itself but then again - ahead of expected and it seems many more behind ev than ahead. everything else relatively normal the wizard odds has great section on what can unfortunately for multideck game comparisons easy to make also his stats do include surrender . overall i can't determine anything particularly damning from data it's just another piece very small suggesting isn't quite fair. 1246 advice et fan first do you think unified gaming blackjack is honest i wouldn't give even odds that any e-casino software 100 honest. if study the literature will learn every casino in nevada had mechanics on payroll before strict regulation started 70's. there no control wild web. none. and competition effectively forces an to cheat make a profit. so how many units bankroll would one need stay within 5 risk of ruin 396 according don schlesinger's ror formula. this for lifetime ie. infinite play assuming standard deviation each hand 1.15. ken uston's chart appears be about 250 .5 advantage 115 10 ruin. charts are now known too optimistic. kelly criterion helpful you're willing resize your bets proportion daily basis can with lot less than units. hourly win rate lower at but over time you'll get rich quicker. all assumes game fair bet levels - which unfortunately seems very unlikely. 50 per hour playing computer bill cosby voice raaaight side note i've been using basic strategy found wizzard odd's web site card counting system high efficiency offer additional little. more 0.04 . probably lose speed. etf 1247 why not 1 3 delialah i'm missing a sd of .9 has in 6 chance occuring. rounding to the results will fall within about 66 time. so 33 time they not. which would be nearly no 1248 one sided confidence intervals anon314 we are implicitly assuming that the game is not fixed in favor of player. so when quote being down -0.9 sd's really care about probability a result worse than indicated result. or up more 1 sd 3. 6. 1250 frequency tests the lurker do you know expected probabilities of getting a -.5 or 1.5 unit return on hand. i'm interested in testing those specifically to see how they compare values. thanks for any help. 1252 -0.5 and 1.5 are easy anon314 for the dealer has an ace up 1 13 of time. given find probability that you have a hand should be surrendered. also ten valued card 4 finding surrendered is pretty this one. it would take little work but straightforward. to remember your composition dependant strategies if use them. blackjack does not blackjack. that's even easier. 1253 huuuuge win a non mouse i don't know how much value add this is to the discussion at hand... but had by far my biggest ever island. read that they pos expectation game so took advantage of sign-up bonus and flat bet 100 for two weeks. didn't count hands came out with nice 5 figure win... audited account before paid mentioned were concerned was playing robot. when assertained wasn't case quickly. one point up 6k more than amount cashed hit losing skid in night decided i'd enough... gotten quite lucky like swings involved betting black. 1261 casinotrust.com high stakes drifter 20 bonus on deposit looks good maybe too 1263 this is just casino-on-net nt anon314 1264 high limit debit cards tommygun where is the best place to get with higher daily limits 1265 the problem i've had with debit cards ... et fan is that e-casinos themselves place a limit often 500 on individual deposits. they discriminate against don't expect most support critters to know this. it's automated by computer. it took me dozen emails working up pitboss thrash this out. and i'm still not 100 certain he knows what he's talking about. however bank swears their end. just has 3 000 daily deposit ymwv . 1266 audits... curious i was recently reading a post on bj math.com where one fellow saying that his account had been audited after he managed five figure win against the dealer at certain online casino... does anyone have any info how these audits work... 1267 good post rka..... curious i've been asking myself the same question.. multiplication has a point where player might suspect foul play when tables turn brutally cold....how long do streaks last....as you they may last for as program picked up it's programmed pc...if so every online casino is playing with crooked dice and against rules by which sell their goods....at junction we players are all pathetic losers.... however if truth that games not rigged somehow run normally anyone who knowledge to pick pc will eventually off some coins. luck in finding real answer rka...... 1268 after all it's just money.... nt curious a 1269 anyone out there... curious credo to pf for the wisdom... one of few... when you're few land on your feet what do you make ends meet 'em mad sad add two me or make'em want them love cry die ps game is only worth playing hunter becomes hunted..... 1271 it depends on the place anon314 if you got lucky at a ug casino an audit normally takes about two weeks. they will check to see think were cheating or using robot player in casino. that is their excuse take your money. also may just be slow paying are sharp sports guy something. tropika looking for reason steal money and you. never good thing. unlike little poem seems state above might better attract no attention then make someone sweat. this applies land-based casinos as well. 1272 internet bj geminimack yes i did mean casino-on-net. think you r right about shuffling after every hand. a count once and got to 70 . hard get that sort of from 4-deck shoe if penetration is say 75 or so. thanks for the info. how do on gamne masters 1273 link scarce here's a link. btw if you got count that went up to 70 did win any money i've had good luck there at casino on net and figure the game is random enough least they pay so i don't have concerns. 1275 i'm betting he lost et fan btw if you got a count that went up to 70 did win any money his then lot of low cards were dealt at table. the reason counters bet into high is they're expecting it come down. 1277 arnold snyder jimmy_g can anyone please give me snyders web site name 1278 http www.rge21.com nt anon 1279 that's what i'm figured also. scarce ...and a good reason not to count online there are some things you just don't want know. of course for most us here it comes as second nature and is unavoidable. 1280 bonus hustling what are your experiences dan i just read bill haywood's book was wondering whether any on you have tried out his reccomendations and if so you've had success or not 1281 is goto glow bob fisher you say their software by global entertainment which notable for having a drink with ice on the rail of bj table. all casinos i have run across turn out to be connected secret city jungle mgt. http www.gotocasino.com also has thought it was unified gaming not glow. can confirm what kind they use had no problem getting paid gotocasino so far. secretcity takes me sex site. 1282 bank draft bj.player what's your secret i've never done better than 3 weeks. 1283 you gotta be kidding bj.player astrology isn't going to help only conseling. need dude the people who beat casinos on this site are intelligent do their homework not compulsive gamblers can't quit.you must learn control or will go broke quick fast and in a hurry. good luck i hope make it. 1284 single deck online bj.player try global player. i haven't got rich but have no reason to believe the game isn't fair. 1286 so far good dragon i bought haywood's book a couple months ago and for the most part have been following his advice. i'm averaging about 150 week. not big bucks but it adds up. unlike live blackjack haven't had to suffer monster fluctuations in order get money. all glad that decided buy take plunge into world of internet gaming. 1288 bob et fan glow is global gaming not entertainment. this was discussed above. www.gotocasino.com a unified site as you surmised and affilated with or ug are generally reliable payers. however keep your wins in reasonable range. large kick an audit they have been known to refuse payment on the theory player employing robot. www.goldenwager.com pulled roulette no less etf 1289 read post below titled yes. real. nt et fan 1290 streakiness bob r if someone knew the math to do it i would also be interested in seeing a test applied this data assuming is stored such way allow that. haven't lost lot at game overall played island but other ug casinos fluctuations always seem worse than real blackjack. 1291 it's a different drink bill haywood bob i inspected gotocasino. their is -- lateral shot of martini glass in upper right. glow has with ice on the rail lower left. angle view straight down. goto deinitely ug 1292 26 300 is a ton of hands to write down especially for play at one e-casino nt david matthews 1293 counting cards with computer kool_joe can't you just count your and beat these internet casinos out of all their money 1294 you can get a few hundredths of ... green baize vampire over basic strategy with computer. most net games are multiple decks reshuffled after every hand. computer is limited use. 1295 programs to track results tommygun are there any that you can use keep of hands played how much bet and lost 1296 yep the gamemaster kool_joe. how are you there quite a few casinos that offer penetration so counting with piece of software definitely works and not to argue gbv it's worth lot more than just hundredths 1 . two programs which i'm familiar card counter bj2021 both work very well. as for deal into decks before shuffling global player acropolis blackjack.com all unified gaming 6-deck games come mind. detailed information go blackjack page my casino directory. gm 1297 add these to your blacklists online gambler crown city casino is having cash flow problems and has not paid players since september. they are the single of a publically traded small company that negative flow. game time network casinos multiple sites with logo gamblingsoftware.com supplied managed. have been running 35 sign-up bonuses 5 therafter same offered by fortune went out business stiffed players. lost 40 owners because were skimming their action financial solvency in question play at own risk. continue sign up new licensees lie about relationship thrive media. www.netclubcasino.com stalling on payments captain cook's sportsillustrated payments. it could be processing problem as opposed malfeasance but from players' perspective who cares 1298 the future of online gambling scared i was happily surprised by last year gambling. played at quite a few casinos and very pleased with results -- came across that either dealt rigged game b just didn't pay winnings have been getting sense number are cheating stealing is on rise. fear increased competition cheat steal incentive increasing. in beginning had less to because they were making so much money anyway. worry as market becomes saturated there will be more bad places. it might also organized crime could get involved doubt would too troubled about rigging payouts. hope am wrong. any thoughts 1299 captains free 75 syphonsic hey cyber bunnies its here and just thought i'd let all you key board happy people know of the new promo captain cooks casino is running for next few days. well will give away to anyone who makes a purchase dollars. exciting isn't it come along check out our site meet talked about customer service crew definately don't take hours answer your emails. hope see soon......happy sailing from at casino. regards www.captaincookscasino.com 1300 i heard you guys have been giving excuses not to pay recently. nt anon314 1301 i've noticed it too online gambler an increase in the number of previously reliable casinos that are slowing payments or rescinding bonuses for various stupid reasons. i think you're right competition is getting fiercer and they stretching themselves offering promotions good to sustain. either run into a cash squeeze delay paying resort backdated bean counting tactics. unified gaming has been reduced crying robot when don't want pay. more period coming lot them last than three months. you can save yourself hassle by playing at have lasted while. 1303 predictions et fan six months ago a clever person that excludes compulsive gamblers could read haywood's book and make pretty decent money gambling on the internet. today there is still to be made but newbie better have someone more experienced take him under his wings. it's just too easy get burned. from now very best brightest will pulling down dough newcomers virtually no chance even old timers looking for greener pasteurs. within two years one of things happen. either 1 it become clear everyone this activity illegal so only criminals continue or 2 definite steps taken start regulating industry e-casinos spit polish their images squeaky clean. etf 1304 i use microsoft excel -nt anon615 1305 also nazdeck sinks in the past year these big bonuses from reputable places has pretty much dried up you can have those buy 75 get 25 deals i aint interested. for that got to run bills on credit cards and hope all bookkeeping comes out right pay finance charges they pay. profit your play a lot of work peanuts. there is still great one ongoing around never hear any talk about but id rather not ruin it by posting here. 1306 predictions scared your 1 implies that it is already illegal and people are just not aware of it. this statement clearly false the legality internet gambling seems fuzzy at best but or else there would be no need to pass laws make you don't a law murder . if does become then i see industry surviving mind losing little money here most like breaking so directly. hope some regulation comes difficult given casinos operate in som many different places with laws. am always surprised how bonuses have lasted long. was convinced 6 months ago these dry up completely yet has occurred one can still get 300-500 decent number casinos. will more disappointed than me when all dries inevitable. frankly sure why were high begin they could been half as big got into their casino -- who played on likely pretty comfortable risk slap down credit card trust games fair. know those rsik-averse swayed by 20 bonus 10 bonus. 1310 legality et fan your 1 implies that it is already illegal and people are just not aware of it. no may be yet aware. this statement clearly false the internet gambling seems fuzzy at best but or else there would need to pass laws make you don't a law murder . what makes so sure necessary jay cohen was convicted under wire act his appeal going nowhere imo. robert loeb an attorney specializing in believes individual gamblers aid abet activity subject being charged criminally. see blackjack forum fall 2000 long arm i believe opinion radical least. for years have understood betting with bookies outside nevada. get shut down periodically when they forget grease mayor's palm bettors usually always wink nod. i'm merely predicting without kyl bill legal situation will much clearer two from now. etf 1311 cohen anon314 jay was convicted under the wire act and his appeal is going nowhere imo only applies to sports bets made over telephone. it has not been shown apply either casino-type or internet. 1312 temporary glitch green baize vampire a brought about the collapse of tech sector. ultimately netgaming will be stronger by weeding out deadwood. 1313 pen golfer i know that intercasino deals an 8 decker with 40 at best. does it really give much advantage to count deck game 1314 joking right nt golfer 1315 no software download casinos bridge does anyone out there know of any online that don't require you to their is difference between and those thanks for your replies. 1316 shallow penetration the gamemaster hello golfer. blackjack on internet gives player several advantages in overcoming pen. first different types of counts can easily be employed i.e. an insurance count halves for betting purposes uston apc playing etc. and they all maintained used perfectly. or a device like bj2021 may to give decisions based upon composition remaining deck s . either those methods raise efficiency correlation accuracy otherwise unobtainable heights so that extra 'edge'. but even more importantly bets changed at will with no need camouflage other inefficiencies 'real' casino play. add fact you able play 200 hands per hour 'net see possibilities. this is not say you're going get 1-1.5 edge such game than 0.5 certainly possible. i'm sure someone here run sim 8-deck s17 doa das 40 pen us idea what gm 1317 i should have mentioned... the gamemaster ....that it's usually easy to force a shuffle by leaving game and going lobby or whatever e-casino calls it. this is done of course when count goes minus since we're on mr. wong's site here let's call it wonging . gm 1318 how do you know bob fisher intercasino gives penetration also when the dealer shuffles according to http www.intercasino.com help blackjack.htm rules rule 2 of summary says after each hand which is what i thought. 1319 i have heard the nopay statements too..nt nt bonusplayer 1320 post it on green then..... nt bonusplayer 1324 nice try but ... et fan the wire act only applies to sports bets made over telephone. it has not been shown apply either casino-type or internet. your part about internet is clearly false - that's exactly what cohen was convicted for. historically applied and that may be why they chose an book operator for their test case loeb obviously doesn't buy into distinction you're drawing. like i said it'll probably take a couple years before courts thrash out. often judges themselves don't know they'll do until which whole issue weigh very heavily on my conscience government god . stand by original predictions. 1326 here s one roho www.betrealcash.com there you can play javagames without downloading. the only difference is that when downloaded complete software 5mb ca. never must wait for playing. on betreacash.com also download all but trie it first with java fun or real and sportsbetting. if sign up get a bonus 10. no need to deposit money having credit card 1328 you wrote a good article on this green baize vampire ...when virtually no serious gamblers were playing online. it might be idea to put link now. is not say that you're going get 1-1.5 edge in such game but more than 0.5 certainly possible. i'm sure someone here can run sim an 8-deck s17 doa das with 40 pen and will give us of what i'll lay money if anyone wants i doubt .1 even the most radical spread describe. gains for computer-perfect play are extremely small multiple decks shallow penetration. aware snyder's work he talks about 1-16 bog-standard 6-decker getting only over regular counter play. incidentally ran some sims while ago backcounter using hi-lo got something like 0.07 per hand basically break-even. 8 deck sucks bigtime. 1329 multi-player game golfer intercasino has 2 bj games. the traditional heads-up is dealt every hand off top. they also have a with 5 spots at table. you play other members in real time. that does shuffle and shows cards being shuffled on screen. but can't see cut card while play. i believe their rules say it's 25-40 pen 8 deck. i've couted before few times verified that. you're better playing when can get it. tables of bj. if one crowded check one. 1331 you don't know what are talking about anon314 your part bets over the internet is clearly false - that's exactly cohen was convicted for. historically wire act has applied to sports and that may be why they chose an book operator for their test case but loeb obviously doesn't buy into distinction you're drawing. talks specifically telephone wires bets. there no 'historically' it. not a broadly worded document like constitution meant living with branch of government devoted interpreting it law. cannot apply casino games connections dsl's because does mention them. if law saying something illegal then legal. i said it'll probably take couple years before courts thrash out. often judges themselves they'll do until which whole issue weigh very heavily on my conscience god . will congress passes broaden act. make gambling dsl against first rule on. stand by original predictions. i'm proud you. go ahead respond. done this thread. 1332 tag team spam the gamemaster i admire innovation in any field of endeavor and spammers are always on leading edge. hey bridge roho...why don't you buy an ad here you'll get much better results your casino won't come off looking like it's being run cheap . gm 1333 sorry you ve right. roho i think on this and will mail dont know who bridge is 1334 poor choice of game the gamemaster hello gbv. you're quite right about 8-deckers but there are 4- and 6-deck games that offer 33-50 pen so my comments may apply there. i have extensive data from one readers who is playing a using card-counter tm software after nearly 20 000 hands play he winning at rate 1 . relatively small sample course nice return nonetheless. wrote an article it for our life on gambling web series might be worth look. did called internet report can found gamemaster's secrets page. gm 1335 or don't post it anywhere nt anon 1336 q about multi-player game anon what happens if you're playing with other players in real-time and the middle of a hand one players' computer crashes or otherwise gets disconnected 1338 on line bonus. e-z any sujestions for a good casinos which offers bonus casino net is great but they got all my credit cards numbers. thanks. 1339 net club casino on www.casinogazette.com online gambler steve humiliates a show with over 40k listeners. listen to new tactic the opa has not encountered before is recommended list. 1340 no game master is wrong bridge i am a person that new to online gambling. i've never been on an casino site and was looking for any casinos don't require software downloads. not spammer own operate affililated honestly some recommendations. if it proper give out specific names please can you me guidance other websites might list also understand how asking advice considered spamming. i'm probably too this field understand. thought people in forum would be helpful newbie but instead get yelled at. did phrase my original question incorrectly 1344 thanks. text of the wire act et fan you are making this stuff up as go along right ever consider writing fiction if there is no law saying something illegal then it legal. not only wrong you're in bold type. hear case i'm lawyer but that about silliest legal opinion i've read. did bother to read article i referenced by loeb or hunt any information cohen took me app. 10 seconds find on internet. it's broad and clear could hope. talks specifically telephone wires sports bets. please show word explain what they mean for transmission a communication which entitles recipient receive money credit result bets wagers assisting placing shall be fined under title imprisoned more than two years both. emphasis added very proud you. have good day. ----------------------- 18 u.s.c.a. 1084 united states code annotated 18. crimes criminal procedure part -- chapter 50 gambling wagering penalties whoever being engaged business betting knowingly uses facility interstate foreign commerce sporting event contest b nothing section construed prevent use news reporting events contests from state country where into such c contained create immunity prosecution laws state. d when common carrier subject jurisdiction federal communications commission notified local enforcement agency acting within its furnished used will purpose transmitting receiving violation discontinue refuse leasing furnishing maintaining after reasonable notice subscriber damages penalty forfeiture civil found against done compliance with received agency. deemed prejudice person affected thereby secure an appropriate determination otherwise provided court tribunal should discontinued removed restored. e term means district columbia commonwealth puerto rico territory possession states. 1346 i've had it happen... golfer ...but not since i switched to a cable modem. anyway here's what they do. if you're playing multi-layer bj and somewhere in the middle of hand you crash or their server locks up before is completed next time log get message saying did complete your last game do want finish now . click yes will be transferred normal one-on-one off top table. course only player at cards from were when lost connection front you. whatever dealer dealt point disconnection also dealer. same amount chips bet. simply that point. seen this happen about 3 times. never bet because disconnection. 1347 but what happens when someone else at the table is disconnected anon or if they don't get just take a very long time to play their hand 1348 good q golfer first if any other player gets disconnected during a multi-player hand the goes on past player. as for slow play i know that at beginning of each there is pass button can hit to sit out next hand. sometimes players don't and do nothing. then they are timed dealt but keep their place table. time-out least 10 seconds maybe more like 20. i'll have check that. or no decision making after has 2 cards hmmmm never seen it happen. try let you get heads-up one those tables. want piss off by experimenting with this. game chat window open where games. will usually be prodded others table move slow. am guessing in multiplayer 1st just sits casino server time them figuring lost connection dump from into bj screen prompts finish unplayed what software does when falls asleep middle 1349 more casinos midas i've taken to reading my spam that involves online gambling and today i got a solicitation have own casino for 99 month i'm sure tons of people see profits in the sky sign up these deals with no capital behind them. on another note - found neteller be very helpful take it as good if uses anyone else or bad things say about 1350 ad...... i have about 15 listed at....... arden over a dozen on my mac page. don't like playing the these casinos because they seem to more problems. if you go this page please be sure read header. good luck 1351 sorry but... the gamemaster ...a lot of people who want to promote their casinos have a friend post question like yours then much what happened here someone else comes in and puts up can only be described as an ad. it's nothing personal you get used visiting message boards you'll see exactly i mean. gm 1352 slow play at multiplayer golfer if a player is in the middle of hand his turn to and does not within 30 seconds casino server drops him from game tells log back into complete hand. when he logs finish will be on one-on-one off-the-top dealt bj table. old bet cards dealer's up card are just as they were did alotted was dropped for play. it doesn't matter days. unfinished still waitng him. 1353 my favorite... james sunshine treasures is java based with no download but if you're on aol the doesn't work real good. there an optional or they will send a cd-rom. 1354 they got me for 180 back in oct. the counter are only casino to ever blatantly rip off. when i emailed them kept giving their cfo's email address which he would never respond. three card monte has better odds. mlane aol.com 1355 they who nt soldier of fortune 1356 sorry crown city casino ripped me off for 180 the count but they managed to withdraw money with no problems. 1357 online bj tourney solidliquid last night i came across an blackjack tournament at bjmasters.net. anybody know anything about this apparently they give away one 600 dollar prize a week. you play for free with funny money and whoever has the most cash 10pm sunday is winner. software looks exactly like casino-on-net. only problem i've found that can't find game rules no. of decks doubling etc. on website or software. information help advice would be appreciated. particularly concerning strategy. solid 1359 bet the farm and play fast green baize vampire its 4 decks das doa. strategy is a moot point. completely optimal impossible to devise as practical matter because you have take into account actions of thousands other competitors. however few general guidelines - when at or close 1000 double split everything. cannot go below so free extra bet. get about 1500 stick bs deviating only on marginal hit plays. far more important than accurate. keep playing till 16000 which usually enough hoodoo your nearest competitors who are risk-averse math would dictate. always private table much faster. exception be in prize money find competitor. this difficult-when join group selection random you'd logging out opponent. if opponent can try mirror their bets opportunity for catching up limited. an point that 10-year old with no knowledge blackjack tournament theory going whip arse he has cable satellite connection don't. north america asleep all possible. speed key winning. i very doubt whole venture profitable even best players fastest variance maybe team work. lets hope prizes bigger though see remaining financially viable seem it seems dependent advertising everyone knows getting less online. 1360 aloha - bonus shuffle nuttygambler i opened an account with yesterday. they have in effect a 50 bonus. after betting your deposit 3x times. then needs to be bet too but who cares. also very good bj game early surrender and das. know the single 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action. best thing get visa check card. this deducted from your checking account. if you have extra cash pay fee. most bonuses out are higher than 3 advance companies charge. regards forenic 1370 i'm not normally paranoid but... aplayer i played a session at casino called dreamscasino.com that also goes by the name dotcasino.com. know this is fact because they have history feature. 32 hands - tied 5 and lost 27. of 2 those were pair splits where won one one. it seems to me in real world as far bad fluctuation goes. anyone any experience with 1371 thanks forensic is a visa check card the same as debit nt dan 1372 yes nt captain jack 1374 differences in basic strategy for playing single decks dan i know bs multiple from wong's pro black jack. was hoping somebody could give the changes to make 1-deck game. also wong said that deck it's a toss-up whether double down or just hit on soft 13 vs. dealer 5. is this same thanks advance. 1376 basic strategy et fan the most accurate comprehensive charts i know of are available for free at richard reid's marvelous bjmath site. bonus hustlers on internet don't waste much time worrying about perfect strategy. a generic multi-deck is sufficient to get loot. if you restrict yourself one type game or spend all hundredths percent probably giving up more than could hope gain. etf 1377 correct strategy for most software types is at www.thewizardofodds.com nt anon314 1378 allslotscasino.com nazdeck sinks any experience with this one 1379 microgaming multihand bj nazdeck sinks anyone know the house edge on this one it uses five decks and has spots to bet same rules as reg. micro bj. 1380 first usa platinum has never charged me. nt bobby 1381 they charged me bob fisher sometimes charge and don't. it seems to depend on the merchant. firecash rangecash do as a cash advance even though say purchase. most microgaming crypologic sites seem be purchases. however if is this does not reduce your portion of credit line but sock you with transaction fees. 1382 first usa rickster i've been gambling with a visa since last april. one thing that has always worked for me is calling them and asking to remove the cash advance fee. majority of time they don't even ask once see same amount was charged back within couple weeks. if about charge i usually say it an internet purchase sub sequentially returned. or twice said at casino still refunded charge. you get surly clerk who doesn't seem on your side call later odd hour be really nice seems work... remember customer right only do large buy-ins ones out 2-3 good luck 1384 at least it maxes gnossos my first usa card charges 3 but 50. that works out ok for large deposits. 1385 thanks nt dan 1386 yes. james i deposited 4000 by ach processed in about a week. made large withdrawal under 1387 off the top of my head kathleen turner overdrive probably 0.5 played there got killed there. worst bj i ever saw in live. kto 1388 rumour has it this casino is close to going belly up nt captain crook 1389 bonus offers small player in the last month i received one buy 50 get 150 2 100 and 25 75 offers. they all require u bet 4 times total. play 10 a hand until reach 800 600 400 total wagered respectively cash out. even after check processing fee i'm 630 ahead. don't know why keep sending them. but always take advantage. it seems hard to lose starting with so much of their money. anybody else these 1390 general reply small player i always assume they re-shuffle after every hand. alot of time explicitly say so somewhere on their website. you can phone and ask. like to cash-out once a initial deposit play see if are for real how fees work. even reading the fine print find ways screw u. mean why does it take 6-8 weeks get check sometimes have be around sign registered mail. never yet tried ach route. still with bonuses that offered it's worth it. u can't soft-double. 1391 credit cards small player my citibank mastercard has never charged me but i think it's like bob fisher says _ it depends on the merchant. charges appear as e-cash world and assume they submit a purchase rather than cash advance rightly or wrongly . i'm not positive might be microgaming sites have been dealing with up until now. 1392 who is offering jimmy what are the names of casinos you these 1394 question about wagering on a big deposit new-comer i'm fairly new to bonus hustling. could someone tell me the minimum bet each hand i should make and average when depositing 2000 thank you. 1396 et fan you mean to say deposit 50 get a bonus of 150 bet 800 and cash out with an expected win 140 no i never deals like that. is this for real money did check yet it clear read the fine print are sure you're allowed seriously. sometimes they let play but can't withdraw. 1397 what's ach nt new-comer 1398 somebody mentioned a complaint about unified gaming .. does that go for all sites using the software one in particular nt new-comer 1399 wagering rules rickster try to think of it as if you were sitting down at a bj table with that amount cash in front get your guidelines. for deposits around 2k never wager under 10 and keep bets along the 25 range. this all depends on bonus... got bonus offer could progression minimum doubling after win be fine that. required action without going through variance hell. end really casino are playing how juicy is. i've had some 30 offers credit card where i bet 50 hand usually coming out healthy chunk or small loss. good luck 1400 thanks rickster that was very helpful new-comer especially the part about sitting down at a casino with amount of chips - puts in perspective you'd look absurd to buy all nickels 2k. 1401 bringmeluck midas i notice that there is an ad here for bringmeluck. this a real s-l-o-w pay place. am surprised wong would allow such joint. 1402 deck shuffling gerry any one know of casinos that legitnatdely use a set decks as opposed to rng and you when they shuffle 1403 bringmeluck is real bad news nt just trying to help 1404 bringmeluck only allows 1000 week withdrawal nt just trying to help 1405 bringmeluck very slow pay nt just trying to help 1406 ach small player i think it's automated clearing house. the thing in banking system that allows your account to charged automatically i.e without physically writing a check has clear. 1407 and that includes returning your deposit nt james og 1408 bonus offers small player grandonline.com goldenpalace.com http www.24ktgoldcasino.com all owned by same company i think. received checks from of them. get periodically in my e-mail. www.vegaspalms.com www.7sultans.com www.royalvegas.com with these three u buy 75 wager it do 8 10 hands . they deposit another next business day after you've wagered your purchase. at per and can cash out. no yet but just did a couple days ago. you have to be new user qualify. company. www.luckynugget.com index.asp vt 23907728 av 1 this is 100 110. for users only. once again the other so we'll see on checks. will keep posted. 1409 golden palace james og since i can't play there generally ignore them but believe some casinos in the group have been offering deals like these recently as opposed to 20 of 10k they had before pulled plug last year. use while you can be prepared one day get boot and lose whatever winnings are currently your account or pending withdrawals if decide taking advantage them. playing a variety non-bj games esp. sucker slots also making deposits during non-bonused times may keep welcome mat out longer. 1411 card counter austin chipmaker available at link below tracks wins and losses as well cards out what the current count is. http bju21.com 1414 somebody complained about unified gaming earlier .. does it go for all sites using the software or one in particular nt new-comer 1417 rng's and shuffling john may any one know of casinos that legitnatdely use a set decks as opposed to rng you when they shuffle the vast majority 95 an mimic virtual deck cards which is what i think mean by legitimate. its more question who does not. usually netcasino will have faq tell either at some penetration or likely after every hand. hope this helps 1418 safari casino cryptologic anon32 i had a decent win here. anyone have any experience with them do they pay 1419 o.k. scarce all cryptologic sites pay. there are a couple of bad apples but that's mostly due to poor customer service or lack 1-800 number. stadium has reputation. safari probably lower than usual rating too they do 1420 thanks what about powerbet they are rtg nt anon32 1421 your bonus hustling tactics nazdeck sinks you wager 80 of 75 the wage a and cash out do this at 2 their other sites if get money consider yourself lucky dont keep trying are begging for trouble. 1422 true scarce ..but he will get the money. 7sultans royal vegas palms don't make further bonus offers anyway. i'm not sure about betting 10 a hand with limited play. if you mind variance than ok go for it but could bet 2- 4- 6 etc and have better chance at making minimum play won't barred substantially stop any offers. 1423 yes scarce ..but they might be in the bad category like netclub. rtg sites vary wildly their business practices. some are outright crooks casa monaco . 1424 question about non-withdrawable bonuses new-comer is it common for the amount that wagered bonus to be deducted from total if one wins and only returned there's a push - i.e. losses deduct with adding chips not. i was under impression treated like real so when you wager 20 win hand do not lose 20. half-happy ending story. instead of getting f ed royally broke even on winning almost every receiving two blackjacks. imagine this had been what expected still think got off easy learned lesson. 1425 basically no john may is it common for the amount that wagered bonus to be deducted from total if one wins and only returned there's a push - i.e. losses deduct with adding chips not in general though its adviseable check terms of promotion. casinos usually reward player action rather than losses-in long term they will get each bet placed results an individual has are almost irrelevant. 1426 wrong bonus hustler royal vegas sends me promotions all the time. just received a 20 promotion other day. i would be careful doing this. why kill golden goose if you can get on going 1427 the sticky bonus et fan this is not all that unusual. most bonuses at eg. unified gaming sites are sticky. there strategies for extracting almost full face value out of - provided you don't mind gambling a bit. search post titled mathematically ... on page. etf 1428 i got a nice check from safari. yes it cleared nt et fan 1429 i wanted to make sure was clear new-comer what surprised me not the sticky bonus but fact that they say acts as a coupon wagers from house and you only collect winnings any besides push are deducted this amount. that's sucked. is what's common 1430 all ug bj games seem... bonusplayer to be rigged now. very unusual results when doubling down. appears that they pull some 10's out of the deck on doubles. from what i have seen this applies casinos. 1432 match bonuses... fish it sounds like you're talking about bonuses of the sort given out as by ug outfits. if not disregard below. i think confused to what they mean winnings -- in a hand blackjack both your initial bet and payoff are considered . an example you have 100 play bonus money at casino but no actual account. wager 10 on lose real 0 90. another push 90 still win 20 80. does this make sense fish. 1433 evidence perplexed i am curious what is your statement based about doubles on experience -- are the stats that 1434 that's not how it works at ug. james using your example of ug matchplay playing blackjack. start balance match 100 cash 0. bet 10 and win 90 push 10. original wager amount is gone or lose. so unified gaming worth about half face value some other software brands have bonus chips that work as you describe. 1435 he's right of course... fish ahem. thank you james i was obviously a little confused there. quick look at the match play rules confirms it. lesson learned do research before posting. fish. 1436 getting a headache et fan could you check over that example one more time for me please darn line noise'll get ya every time. also are these three hands taking place sequentially or all from the starting gate 1438 how it works multiplication james said... start balance match 100 cash 0. bet 10 and win 90 push 10. i believe the first case shuold be a loss not win. then as does i.e you keep all winnings lose your points or but push. m. 1439 ok i'll take a shot at it et fan bonus money 100 real 0. play three hands in row for 10 funny each time. hand 1 lose. 90 2 draw. 3 win. 80 10. new-comer this is the way works all ug casinos i've played. if they let you keep when won wouldn't be matchplay note - one word as usually occur brick and mortar casinos. could worse. your draw too bad example since might not wise to blackjack with 0 account. i'm sure would able double or split appropriate. 1440 yes statement based... bonusplayer on my own exp. all within the last month to 1.5 months. numerous ug sites. played from 10 20 a hand 10- 50 sdeck game. when doubling soft totals i won more than 9's-11's. 10's just didn't come nearly often enough doubles. am contemplating playing for very low stakes test this but i'm so sure of don't want even risk losing back these scammers. 1441 enterbet casino is dragging their feet....... arden one of the featured sites on my main page listed a couple other pages. win 2-9-00 as follows buy in - 255 cash out 1152 days to receive check 5 2-16-01 i made for 200. 2-17-01 cashed 4 500 hit r.f. v.p. . cash-out was processed 2-19-01. today 3-11-01 called see what delay was. customer support informed me that name not spelled correctly it took time get back might have been under review. has mailed yet but they think will go this week. luck would with all looses only played at two times both large amounts. if do next week post info. above banner casinos-that-pay.com. or so. any info be appreciated. green lights blue skies you yours 1442 i think it's clear now new-comer guess it makes sense that this type of bonus is worth approx. 1 2 a cash bonus. fortunately was more to me in instance when had tremendous run luck on the matchplays. thanks everyone for contributing. 1443 beware- casino extreme luckydog i just gave them try with the following results 36 lost hands vs 22 wins. here is what found odd had 2 blackjacks on of which was a push and they 8. don't know odds that are but can tell you it's no fun. 1444 ucg blackjack nazdeck sinks i had the same experience did not lose much experimenting with this game. theres an old saying if it looks too good to be true .50 player edge is. stick microgaming many offer .10 cashback and convinced from 2 million coin in its on up up. 1445 proofreading works-- i should try it. nt james 1446 doubles and splits... rickster if i recall correctly when you play with bonus money on ug blackjack a double split presents itself are only able to or the money. that is have enough left cover split. e.g. 50 matchplay bet 20 get two eights will be as still 30 in account. now say three one of those not my 11 10 am certain about this but believe it happened me couple times really pissed off though was few months ago memory ain't great. good luck playing 1447 get basic blackjack nt daliman 1448 remember match play bonuses like the kind at this casino are only worth about half their value. nt daliman 1449 same opinion on ug daliman this is a reprint of my experience at site. by the way i had another site with that played where everthing seemed up-and up even though lost 500 overbet bankroll . was playing in an online casino today possibly first mistake but please just hear me out... going to play perfectbs enough grind out significant bonus left from football before knew about bj. anyways 9000 action during which time bets averaged 10 and 1000 including game single deck shuffle after every hand multiple resplits all aces dd 9 11 only early surrender vs. ace perfect bs should yield .3 player advantage using basic blackjack it unified gaming's java-based software have several times found nothing unusual. other than sizable loss somewhat limited what be rate there one thing really flabbergasted noticed halfway through very often when would 2 card twenty versus dealer ten too also under. now for happening off top obviously 25 20's were getting run down often. started tracking happened 20 any 14 hands under 38 won 16 tied 13. don't know your odds winning are point i'd bet probably neighborhood 75 understand these last figures especially not statistical significance can't shake feeling may been ripped off. no lambasting online. realize question better suited internet board think has more do expectation maybe someone bjrm could sim telling if within reasonable standard deviation. 1450 ridiculous post playtherush and what exactly are we supposed to be wary of your small sample means absolutely nothing. if i told you won over 15 units while playing less than 100 hands would it then a candy store have no reason doubt the fairness rtg's software. is my favorite mostly due its incredible speed. 1451 what's the url scarce i've never heard of this one so i'd like to see their site. for some reason real time gaming often has other sites not listed on main site sometimes as smaller operations or sister casinos larger more established online casinos. 1452 did you try playtherush www.casinoextreme.com i know it was a tough one. - 1453 anyone winning bj at online casinos jeb curious if there are any say advantage players thanks 1454 sportsbook wannaplay i need advice on reputable sports wagering sites. has anyone had lonterm luck getting paid. any rec's wanna play the ncaa's but dont want to get scammed. w 1455 thanks scarce yeah i did try it earlier but for reason nothing came up perhaps just my internet connection being wonky again. oh well.. 1456 again beware luckydog i did not say the cheat and don't play just beware. think it's ridiculous that you all rtg software is tamper proof. as an update to my post continued some bonus money with following results. 117 lost hands 42 wins 2 player blackjacks 23 dealer would take insurance if decide play. 1457 not unreasonable bob fisher i don't see how you can make the claim that it is obvious probability of dealer having an ten in hole given have a 2 card 20 against his 10 upcard 25 . get 27.07 assuming he bj because if does unified turns ace up right away. chance winning with vs. 1 deck and without regard to your 55.62 tie 32.89 lose 11.49 38 hands sample standard deviation 3.06 were 1.67 z-statistics behind. bad but certainly reasonable. 1458 ad...take a look at these...... arden take these. have good paying sites listed. shop then give them call to help with your final decision. luck 1459 got it but doesn't cover single deck nt et fan 1460 i did with blackjack 2021 randy check out the software use it in a casino they recommend www.elephantcasino.com 1461 seems an appropriate name scarce 23 blackjacks for the house in 170 or so hands you'd think if they were going to cheat could be a bit more subtle about it. 1462 need a math lesson... daliman you are correct i was using quick bs 3 tens gone 13 out of 52 i'm already off . either way only started counting when it seemed inordinate. one other hand really bugged me where on 5 vs. dealer 2. hit 4 times to get 19 he after turning over under 21. cards and they read like this player 2 7...dealer 5. 12 highest 7 with all 2's 3's played....ugh. 1464 jamaica bay casino charlie tuna does anyone know anything about casino. i got an e-mail from them their st. patrick's day bonus. it pays dollar for up to 44 a deposit that ends in 4. sounds good but don't want get into bad deal. thanks advance your help. 1465 or at least luckydog give me a few extra one's 1466 also try blackjack 2021. download link in left frame nt david matthews 1467 boss media software scarce ..so you can't go wrong. generally they only require twice the bonus or deposit be played sometimes bonus. i'd check requirements and play more than this but i don't have any problems with of those casinos. 1468 online gerry how do you know when they shuffle and deep the penetration i don't understand have bj2020 can e-mail me specifics would greatly appreciate it. 1469 serious problems with 2021 john may i tried to use the demo version and was not impressed. results seemed be inconsistent. no mention at all is made of algorthym used create optimal decisions for each play. web page hints combinatorial analysis. does anyone know can't see any reason why this information should available. suspect that adapted griffin system blackjack cccafe post 1319 betting actually more powerful than system. another problem its so damn slow would lose my expectation from lost time gain improved applaud innovation software developers but they need get details right before start using or recommending it. 1470 there is a much better product available scarce at bju21.com. free demo but the complete package which downloadable 59. it worth i don't know. extra few hundredths where they shuffle after every hand doesn't impress me if you do find real counting opportunities than would be. 1473 serious problems david matthews john your title says and yet post little on that. 1 it because bj 2021 doesn't publish it's algorithm you don't trust it. fine for but not fair to bash a program simply that reason imo. 2 say suspect own system is stronger give no reasons why. 3 slow will cost in expectation way. any software use require manual input take time. makes sound like there are very big going has what i consider minor issues which mostly personal. competing product 59 couple more features blackjack does whole lot especially with small 14.95 price tag. 1475 right nazdeck sinks vegas palms just sent me 20 up to 400 deposit. 1476 hand history at a ug site... long daliman well i had mentioned in previous posts how felt may have been cheated site here is the and haven't chance to go over everything yet but first glance it's worse than previously thought. dropped 950 616 rounds with 6314 total action. about 16 loss rate game supposed .3 player advantage. as you can see played perfect bs for all hands except few near session ends where was just trying stay alive did on tilt end there were still way too many strange things happening such -90 before my dd opportunity -another 83 next -blackjacks while less average seemed ok if not little low counted 27 out of every 22.8 21.0 tied bj which 1 think -11 32-33 dealer started w 20 5 straight times other will come up i'm sure anyone interested please peruse let me know what maybe sore loser. btw text dealers updard his 2nd card....also wouldn't fit properly forwarding regular version leave your email send it you. blackjack audit detail 1903846 03 01 - 14 num sum orig bet final winnings balance 939.00 6 314.00 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fluke but given everything else quite suggestive. thanks for tracking. 1478 i believe it is rigged too m anem but you lost almost half your money going on tilt at the end. think truth will eventually come out from inside about dishonesty of ug's bj game. 1479 did this come from ug another anon i have wondered if anyone has just asked for a record of their play. and received play at an rtg site before with no problems. since is pulling es rule maybe that suggests non-rigged game doubt it 1480 how do you know they are pulling es nt statman 1481 yes it came from the website in question. nt daliman 1482 disagree et fan for what it's worth i have to tell you your front page blurb make the perfect play in blackjack online casinos with 2021 trial version borders on false advertising. program might help a poor player toward perfection but it doesn't get him all way there. not even close. says because bj publish algorithm don't trust it. fine fair bash simply that reason imo. i'm sorry think we need know system employed. i'd say if results agreed other sources. this case they don't. is slow and will cost expectation way. any software use require manual input take time. see why. windows api calls can read card values off screen. you'd different or very sophisticated ai approach be done. fact sure been etf 1483 sorry scarce i should have written don't make many further bonus offers anyway . 1484 boss the l are best. you won't have a problem however they do not credit back to your card and it takes week or so get pin in mail before may withdraw. i played at many sites never had problem. would even say don't bother write down their 800 will need it. work for them care if play there. just figured can post bad then should good too. believe find complaint against any casino site. luck. 1485 the simple measure bill haywood knowing aggregate number of wins loses and pushes would be helpful but it looks like that info is buried in stats. 1486 tried to offer some reasons john may but the post disappeared. not quite sure why it was less truculent than of my other musings. most problems i others have experienced with this software could be sorted out a substantive faq. that would seem in best interest publishers and its affiliates. 1488 from a post on green but it looks like they've switched back now another anon i'm not sure what happened few sites had the game up without es for day or two then they were back. maybe upgrading games and put older version by accident something...i really don't know. 1489 too good to be true skeptic i hope your right about boss media. recently challenge casino had some extraordinary match play bonuses including 25 for every weekend this month. just got an e-mail and verified on their website that they are suspending operations returning in june with new software . the web dollar check received from them today doesn't bounce can get my remaining funds. btw enjoyed playing at jamaica bay too. 30 welcome bonus followed by 44 st. patrick's day is nice but these generous a prelude closing doors also don't state terms withdrawal either bonus. 1491 challenge casino is closing its doors for awhile anon314 i've gotten an e-mail from saying they are up shop two weeks or something. claim going to get better software. my details probably wrong as this place has long been deleted. 1492 actually.. scarce ..they're closing at end of this month march 31st and not opening again until june they say with new software which may mean they're switching from boss or perhaps not. it's funny that should have so many bonus offers then pull the plug abruptly. in fact all were suspended today suggest anyone money there to withdrew it post haste. exactly a confidence booster for playing there. 1494 apologies... playtherush for not visiting this page since my posting above. luckydog do these latest results include your previous numbers also does the data contain all hands you played at casinoextreme or is some selection bias present i think figures could potentially show a problem. stand by original post that ealier on their own meant absolutely nothing. 1495 reasons for deletion nt playtherush 1496 includes original results luckydog this is a complete accounting of my play at casino. 1497 i had a similar experience scarce made the play requirements and was awarded bonus. after that received 75 stiffs dealer 15 bj's for my 2 many more ace's as an up card. so in about 100 hands won 42 often just by saving stiff with 6. is this place crooked can't say sure especially few played. but will put it list of rtg sites which to be wary. these include netclub powerbet quicksilver casa monaco casino merlin etc etc. 1498 i get 50 messages a day and never activated my challenge casino account nt anon314 1499 why powerbet playtherush i've had good dealings with them so far. i agree about the others you listed despite not having played at all of have heard bad things. casino merlin is still only to stolen my deposit. 1501 5 sd playtherush being down over standard deviations would clearly indicate a rigged game. have you contacted them about this despite experiencing some severe swings i always felt rtg software was fair and attributed it to its incredible speed. i've encountered variance of 2 on few occasions but has happened both sides the curve. your results are food for thought. if there is problem big with their game expect many others post it. do not mean question integrity only so much value one can place an anonymous poster's experience. all that said we know safebet bogus as explained in bwc. thanks sharing results. posted above had positive result 1.5 . 1502 i had that paranoia a few months ago anon314 and posted here thought realtime casinos might cheat you after crediting the bonus. next times won big getting being bit paranoid is sign of good health for internet gambler. 1503 much better it uses tables - bj 2021 calculates tom i checked that product 7 vs. 10 single deck says hit stand...are you the owner of bju21.com 1504 waiting for cashout luckydog i was able to make a couple of large bets and get my account back even after which promptly cashed out. am the return deposit before contacting casino. course don't see that it will do much good. 1505 info on reputable sites enquirer is there anywhere that supplies information casinos customer satisfaction prompt payouts etc thanks 1506 www.themoneytour.com nt scarce 1507 bad results scarce perhaps it was just the rtg propensity for being hot or cold but i had a large degree of stiffs there.nothing else much out ordinary. anyone have any experience with grand banks casino 25 on first deposit. 1508 thanks nt enquirer 1509 keep us updated online gambler www.casinextreme.com is a safebet platinum member so if you don't get your try them next. i fyou do paid please post. thank you. 1510 hmm.. scarce ..i just checked and you're right. there is a mistake in the play you mentioned. i had downloaded it at one time but have never used program merely liked look feel of it. does calculate each count thorp ultimate i've fantasied about using real casino setting but... i'll check into this product bit more. found bj2021 clunky comparison. perhaps though appearances are deceiving so browse some more right full review each. 1512 blackjack 2021 is no good northerndave i bought this program and much to my chagrin it did not produce the same result every time example 1d s17 12 vs. 6 sometimes says hit stand . ridiculous. wrote company saying that was as advertised suitable satisfied after protesting they agreed send me a check for 14.95 purchase price. like trying get blood from turnip. never arrived. have bad product even worse customer service -- steer clear of them. 1513 yo stanford - bml is ripping people off northerndave steer clear of this place. they are screwing left and right. very s l o w pays some no pays. wong either ignorant or has really sold out if he advertising their product. 1514 enterbet update....... arden received the full 4300 yesterday. new listing will read as follows buy in - 200 cash out 4500 days to receive check 27 i believe public posting helped but we never know for sure. green lights blue skies you yours 1515 bj2021 inconsistencies the gamemaster how did you test this if it while playing correct play may be to stand but at other times hit due composition of remaining deck s . gm 1516 re inconsistencies et fan you can set the program up with t-2 vs. 6 and hit what to do button repeatedly without changing composition of deck. bj2021 will sometimes recommend standing hitting 1d s17 . another hand that varies is 6-2 5 either or h17 recommends doubling about half time rest time. in fairness these are very close decisions. basic both cases. 1517 partial retraction et fan for some reason when i tried the demo a few weeks ago expectations bore little resemblance to those in professional blackjack. must have set wrong rules or been looking at tables book. it's possible get incorrect inconsistent results with program but these are really very close decisions. don't know why doesn't use exact combinatorial analysis however it does what pretty good etf 1518 blackjack subsets nt bob fisher 1519 this sort of software is easy to write... sirius i wrote a similar one well over year ago that took me about day write in delphi keeps track the cards and count can be easily programmed with as many card counting systems them simultaneously obviously tells you when take insurance. it could accurate wanted because main part program was simulated thousands hands find out return for various decisions stand hit more while doubling bet until very basic strategy stop splitting . quite fast up 100 000 but don't think bj2021 even does judging by how results vary number therefore accuracy should at least user definable my suprisingly though way operated looked bj2021. big advantage mine need select dealer or player's will calculate next deal would just randomly from remaining player if still understand these programs work basically repeats same hand times selecting tallies wins losses pushes. seeing seems slow not make slower simulating sense incorporate some decent able instantly calculated program. also might an idea improve speed calculating bad choices such hitting 16 against 6. i've never used online casinos knowing all unless are willing gamble making money few slightly postive ev blackjack. 1520 i understand how you think it works ... et fan after all have written blackjack simulators myself. - however if bj2021 is using pure simulation to determine the expectations haber ought just come out and say so. there on one hand combinatorial analysis other a whole range of techniques in between. quote from help file calculations are based numeric mathematical analyses that were developed by prof. s. m.i.t technion. analyzer s output perfect play . not system or method simply playing blackjack. this doesn't sound like me unless haber's definition different mine. 1521 pure simulation john may this doesn't sound like to me unless haber's definition of perfect is different from mine. no it sounds ad copy. but i can't fathom why you should get recommendations for the same play-even an incompetent programmer would not make that type error . i'm certain its sim-based. 1522 why then do the results vary so much sirius calculations are based on numeric mathematical analyses that were developed by prof. s. haber m.i.t technion. analyzer s output is perfect play . it not a system or method simply playing in blackjack. 1523 money was credited back nt luckydog 1524 hard evidence ug blackjack is unfair mark i too was getting frustrated by inexplicable losing patterns playing at 5dimes.com . so posed as a casino owner and emailed unified gaming. referred to reseller of software based in california. here the conversation below essentially allows pre-set payout ratio for much like he would slot machine. i.e. cards are not randomly dealt. obviously this atrocious fraudulent stay away from all games -- other well why wouldn't dice their craps game be fixed produce certain rate e.g. you have been warned. subject re just checking sent 3 20 01 7 38 pm received 8 59 shawn egide segide hotmail.com xxxxx verizon.net correct. fact backend will allow see real time payouts per can monitor it any point. shawn. xxxxxx date tue mar 19 36 13 -0500 ok. choose system server adjust card generator ensure that 10 23 am 27 xxxxxxx our template which determine odds winning percentages. typically lowest percentage gain however again its up what wish choose. r. sun 18 51 37 i've looking into some gaming casinos noticed single-deck has rules give player an advantage. particular actually unprofitable or there something missing thanks. 14 1 12 orbisdevelopment.com good day wanted drop quick note make sure information with regard solution. please let me know if additional assistance continue your research online vice president sales orbis development inc. 400 bel marin keys blvd. ste. 203 novato ca 94949 www.orbisdevelopment.com 415 883-8770-fax 775 846-7576-cell _________________________________________________________________ get free download msn explorer http explorer.msn.com 1525 wonder what the software defaults to when newly installed -nt anon615 1526 other games since you have the contact -- can confirm that especially video poker behave in same way i played a ton of vp on unified gaming and my results are good. fact they definitely above expected. don't see how this could ever be true if game were rigged any serious way. 1529 they really don't vary that much et fan i would expect the expectations to more in such a brief time frame. as tried indicate program can use simulation combined with analytic techniques. analysis and are not mutually exclusive. for example you stratify first one or two hits dealer's hole card. griffin wrote about this theory of blackjack infinite deck approximations after certain number cards wong did parts professional make simplifying total dependant assumptions braun thorp were forced do pre-microprocessor era. there's than way skin cat. - 1530 ug salesvp - admits nonrandom nightowl there is an incredible string on gamemasters message board about emails between sales agent vp and a player posing as potential sw customer. bottomline casino owners can select the payout bj games if they were slot machines. please check it out get discussion going here. 1531 thanks nazdeck sinks this is exactly what i thought would come out the truth from inside. 1532 agree nazdeck sinks from what i have seen the baccarat does not appear non random and why should it doesnt offer a player edge of .5 like bj. 1533 can you post the link nt stealth 1534 this stinks former online gambler ....... is probably then true of all them boss media microgaming etc.. 1535 pai gow question for sanford bigal all the unified gaming sites that i have visited same rules gow. is player can bank every other hand and spread from 1-25 1 when 25 banker 'house' seems to set it's hands in a traditional fashion. game be beaten with if so what smallest will shift players favor second site called nevadacasino.com played quite while 'for fun'. house sets very 'non-traditional' fashion which dependant on hand. you had any experience or feed-back this thanks 1536 who's right sirius i have been comparing my program's results with bj2021 and still think bj21 is useless because the vary by over half a percent. few times faster than mine though for same accuracy but haven't really fine tuned it could be compiler. tried an example that seemed to show bug in either or bj2021. after shuffling receiving 10 5 against dealer 6 single deck gives return standing of between 87.8 88.6 loss unit bet -1.14 -1.22 usually around -1.18 . nowhere near that. simulated million hands takes minute so on computer wouldn't more hundredths percent get win rate 42.27 which 84.54 return. what bust percentage also out program probably wrong just wanted know if anyone check without me going back into source code don't it's statistic hitting hand 61.25 28.48 67.23 lose 4.29 push result 60 60.5 seems imply isn't purely doing simulation pretty crap. another combination cards 2 4 player 7 agreed would strange had error. 1537 i know now sirius had bj2021 in it's default setting of hitting on soft 17 which explained the differences my results. i'm pretty sure based just simulation. previous example varied from -1.5 to -1.58 once configured it stand 17. true result is about -1.548 according software at 5 milion hands. too innacurate. results were a return between 84.2 85 . value being around 84.5 simulates 100 000 hands because as accurate mine with that number although three times faster. 1538 link bob fisher http www.gamemasteronline.com indexa.shtml . on menu at left click online gambling message board. thread started by mark 3-20. also see jondo 3-21 regarding ug's response. 1540 which ones wolf star actually boss media is the only one that i still strongly doubt uses cheating option technology. i'd easily believe it of rtg microgaming gambling software and starnet. 1541 not gospel bill haywood while interesting and worthy of notice the quotes from ug marketing rep are as authoritative they sound no smoking gun. in a public response link below indicates that individual is an out-of-house advertising hire engineer who did know what hell he was saying. this credible because if software were rigged information very unlikely to be entrusted rep. such company-destroying would probably even divulged licensees have habit getting into disputes switching software. somebody excited by cloak dagger sent email some stranger managed elicit remarks incriminating. but reveal any old out void odd slips like do occur almost never. only conclusive evidence statistically significant sample hands with peer review close inspection. couple posts i've seen unknown individuals reported results 3 sd whack appear taken careful records which highly suggestive final word long shot. there awful lot absolute crap being slung around net about ug. strong tendency say where smoke there's fire. it's fog rumors take on lives their own. trust numbers trusted proven sources nothing else. one has yet provided verifiable study. 1542 that sounds like cheating to me anon314 the house sets it's hands in a very 'non-traditional' fashion which seems be dependant on players hand. it may technically not if they do post any rules for this practice break. but looks real bad. 1543 i have to agree kathleen turner overdrive the rep didn't know what he was talking about. interrupted exchange mean that rules could be changed effect casino's edge. this is much different than setting cards deal in a nonrandom manner. don't get me wrong i'm no defender of ug software but i've had decent results at sites and see it cheats any blantant way. kto 1544 check it out... erick reed out luckydragon.com secure deposits and a 20 sign up bonus. plus cash bonus on every deposit for the month of march . 1545 man with a brain the l nice to read something intellegent bill. please keep it up. thanks . 1546 if ug isn't rigged then... drew ...why haven't professionals cleaned them out i don't gamble online so know anything about it but seems that with a positive player expectation somebody would be posting wins big enough to hurt the bottom line. i'm sure missing something can't figure what since i've never played online. - -drew 1547 maybe their smart enough not to post here eh nt anon32 1548 rule changes bill haywood ug sites that have been hit hard done a lot of no soft doubling etc. and some limited the single deck games to very low limits like 1- 10. fact they change rules limit losses is reassuring -- apparently could not just tweak randonmness cards. another factor may be public knowledge game being beatable attracts fair number people who do actually play perfect basic strategy. final in why would ever such good first place more hurt average player. for surrender incorrectly surrneder option increases hold. 1549 rules changes statman but do you really think that the number of people who surrender incorrectly will more than make up for use rule to increase their return by .6 or .7 it doesn't seem likely me. i would imagine most unknowing players just ignore function. net result surely be an overall loss casino this rule. also -- why offer early could late and don't have much effect on dummies then game a negative expectation game. unless casinos unified gaming are stupid hard time believing they all sense seems them money. only reason offering positive is good press might generate guess hear about looking such information players.dummies play probably spend lot scouring at boards as these if did inclined become better players. sure can change few we consider evidence fair reasonably clever manager reduce edge thinking interpret action mean rigged both maybe give misplaced feeling confidence. where each us come down ug bj thing heavily influenced our experiences beause certain true. am definitely in favor unfair because my total long term results pretty bad. conclude based solely when other wander. course always selection effects even with those factored still very nervous which often . 1550 one more question statman do you know for a fact that the rule changes were result of heavy losses or are just guessing 1551 what does that have to do with my question nt drew 1552 you are right drew nazdeck sinks this type of game 1 games was cleaned out in midwest casinos they history do think an online casino would offer such animal with 100 limits so sharpies could sit at home their pjs and make 50 hr again. 1553 common sense et fan i honestly believe the onus should be on casinos to prove they are dealing an honest game not other way around. realize this is impossible without hands regulation and random spot checks. tells us that cheating prospers pays absent regulation. experienced gamblers recognize this. read for example macdougall dice cards or gambling scams by ortiz. with one possible exception practically every casino in country had at least mechanic staff before gaming board got a little clout 70's. don schlesinger recently stated paraphrasing he absolutely 100 would expect cheated ug 1d es vs 10. also analysed data from anon showing twos were overrepresented tune of 4 standard deviations site. stanford wong himself his only post date don's domain vouched analysis - conclusion. have strong impression anon's identity known ds sw. you could ask them. my own brothers still rag me about how long it took gin rummy when we kids. notice no embarassment their part. am dupe... sucker. those games money. need yourself why any more confidence ecasinos than you'd 3 card monte street new york. if reject stats people greater 99 significance because selective reporting then useless. doubt online will get together all promise report. allow explain away leaks inside saying guy didn't know what was talking we're out options. which goes crime pays. oh but wait minute best knowledge it's even cheat gamblers. taking bet first place there's extra penalty efficient thievery big your book beatwebcasinos. think important few share faith integrity software companies. 1554 any experiences with palace of chance casino tj i can't find comments about them and would like some. 1555 common sense and uncommon events statman i agree with most of what you say it does seem very logical that online casinos would rig their games. yet if they are going to one game then expect all this is not certain conclusion but seems likely uses . my personal experience playing ug vp strongly suggests a fair because am significantly ahead expected value -- so rigged the luckiest sob on planet. bj different story definitely behind have serious doubts about game. given own experiences feel might be rigged. answer by saying well course house has an advantage true when factor in those bonuses give. 9 7 db which edge 1 10 or 15 bonus leaves player nice position. for first half 2000 full-pay deuces wild was offered at dozen casinos. pounded beat up pretty badly estimate chances there as less than 1000 results. --it only level limited exposure still great opportunity especially throw top. always cheat wrong least major way. maybe had games cheating now bj. believe potentially shown some cases don't know how apply any more crazy gambling thing... 1556 are you kidding the l your post is ridiculous. however i do agree with paragraph four of dupe part. why don't play slots or something. 1557 they're rtg they should be o.k. . nt anon32 1560 it's enough to keep me away dragon there is a strong tendency say where smoke there's fire. but what if fog i avoid it and turns out be nothing lost. leap into fire get burned. i'd rather go the skies are clear. btw your book great. - 1561 ascot casino closes online gambler www.ascotcasino.com has gone down and taken players' funds after stalling with the audit excuse for several weeks. if they owe you money do a chargeback can. no longer answering phone e mails etc. 1562 unified gaming not paying big winners online gambler complaints are piling up against sites on because of suspicion robot play or undergoing audits and stalling. responding to opa complaint process players may want conisder avoiding these sites. 1563 opa moves to www.casinomeister.com online gambler the players association wishes thank www.winneronline.com for hosting player as a section on winner message board. mutual decision between both parties is consolidating posting activity at an often adversarial organization with respect industry figures and suspected spammers postings contain adult language or challenging content which can create rancorous atmosphere in overall tone of 1564 more specifically statman can you give specific info 1565 wouldn't go that far et fan and yet if they are going to rig one game then you would expect all games. this is not certain conclusion but it seems very likely uses common sense . that's what my tells me. i think the situation still evolving. it's ug games were fair at time some big wins forced them upgrade while competition keep their loose rules. there such a thing as conscience. chosen few who know about cheating routines probably feel guilty rationalize it. for instance documented cases where former employee programmers took e-casinos down thousands of dollars through knowledge rng. wide bet spreads employed. quick fix be switch kicks in specific level. simply changing rules lock house edge cut i've had good success wonging 6d 1-10 i'll try 10-50 no will ever convince me can pull 50 cents hand by flat betting 1d 100 hour after playing simple basic strategy. could happen week or month time. 1566 the 6d game statman can you stab at what advatnage is and are your results 1568 ug 6d bob fisher i have been doing all right on the unified gaming 6 deck game. basic strategy player wins about 0.03 . ac -0.45 es vs. a 0.38 ls 0.07 resplit no aces am relunctant to say more such open board. 1569 tons o' articles on net gambling david matthews can be found at http www.msnbc.com news archroulette_front.asp 1570 oddly... captain jack there is an ad for casino-on-net right on the msnbc.com homepage...it doesn't come up every time but i'm sure real-estate a well-respected news site cheap. msnbc articles were all unbiased...although it would be interesting to see piece exactly how much big guys like and intercasino hold in month. probably better than many land-based casinos. 1573 maybe not such a bad result mrlucky i dont' think you've adjusted for the fact that average bet in blackjack even when flat betting is 1.13 units due to double downs and splits. so our unfortunate friend's above would be probably closer -2.5 s.ds. 1574 math statman maybe i am smoking crack but the square root of 684 is 26.1 when you multiply that by 1.13 get 29.55. with hands would expect to be up 3 bets .5 edge which means being down 90 93 less than expected. 29.9 3.14 sds. correct 1575 the party's over another anon most unified sites no longer have esr. all good things must come to an end. 1576 your right let's boycott thebutler which ones do still offer esr and if they are really worth trusting not based on what i've been reading .... playing them for two weeks doing pretty well however as of 3 27 i noticed no even asked the tech customer support people credited my account when told it was an error - agreed. so what's deal is unified gaming being straight with maybe some things better left unsaid 1577 three step process ... et fan i'll tell you my results if a email me at etfan21 hotmail.com and b verify in post here that you've emailed then c wait 48 hours. es is gone might not want to bother. i haven't checked for month or so. you're going get rich either way - etf 1578 but i don't like slots - nt et fan 1579 looks right et fan maybe i am smoking crack but the square root of 684 is 26.1 when you multiply that by 1.13 get 29.55. with hands would expect to be up 3 bets .5 edge which means being down 90 93 less than expected. 29.9 3.14 sds. think refers standard deviation a hand - not quite same as average bet mr lucky mentioned. usually use 1.15 it significantly early surrender. can 3.42 ahead after all humans occasionally err in play hand. etf 1580 makes sense nazdeck sinks with word getting out of their gaffed .50 player adv game maybe it was time to put in a rng like microgaming. 1584 okay no slots the l at least you have a sense of humor and did not take it wrong way. but i would play cards with my brothers anymore if were you. had good luck unified staying 1 to 10 dollar level. nothing winning hundred or so. 1589 but did you consider... mrlucky two points first the of s.d.s that an observed result falls from expected is highly dependent on bet variation. our friend played 616 hands not 684 lost 950 and his action was 6 314. if he flat betting average 10.25. let's say one hand 2 699 615 1. were to lose big then would be by your analysis in neighborhood minus 100 standard deviations. this extreme example where bets are skewed gaussian normal curve goes out window. a 314 10.25 nor 699. anywhere 0 60. s.d. must taken into account since will affect s.d's mean falls. off top my head i'm sure exact way do adjustment. maybe someone can supply math point approximately 1.13 times initial due double downs splits. source sba 4.0 coincidentally per round blackjack right around same number quite equal it. increase after directly fluctuations capital adjusted once again. both these effects together serve reduce -3.0 towards - outcome 3.42 units. i still it closer -2.5 s.ds even lower. -mr. lucky 1590 why you do not think ug blackjack is rigged anon314 bet level 50- 100 i have had good luck with unified staying at the 1 to 10 dollar . nothing wrong winning a hundred or so. l cannot hurt them playing 1- game. if were flat betting in fair game would be about 150 hour. ten people doing this 8 hours day they losing 12k day. notice that. can 5- 25 single deck all certain casinos and will care. but move up 100- 400 take quick action against you. nickel players often say how place totally-heat free. there nickels your bankroll support higher stakes don't expect for more money accept advice. perhaps we should always mention what are front of our posts. quickly see correspondence between high bets losses. 1591 i stand corrected nazdeck sinks this guy says he won a hundred bucks now if that aint proof the game is fair nothing 1593 excellent post gnossos bill's not gospel was quite good but you have responded to it perfectly. bill seems created a scenario where the only data he would accept be his own. that effect i had almost posted asking why wasn't pounding ug game day after if still believed fair. btw results last summer were more than 2 sd's below ev for very large sample taken from at least 7 sites. because flat bet during each session . like think is guy. just wrong about this one. when play hand-held in small bricks-and-mortar joint watch any sign of cheating. and those places are regulated. your analysis 100 correct. 1594 then why..... the other another anon why have ug sites taken away esr is this some incredibly devious plan on their part to make you think they were honest after stolen your money random players don't care about it only advantage players. so take and accuse people of robot play if know are slowly sucking by cheating 1595 because.... anon314 rather than have someone gather more data to prove that their games are fixed after all this bad press they would just remove the early surrender and deal a honest game. if removed before you might point. most people were accused of robot play in first half 2000 late june july. these not best brightest. using on roulette. saying testing for robots is also an escuse slowpay you. 1596 mmmm the l how do you know i am a guy 1597 women are smarter than to use aol nt m anem 1598 aol.com the l i should worry about using aol and why 1599 i agree with anon 314 statman ultimately the stats speak loudest. if you have and seen enough personally otherwise that believe them then everything else is just speculative. it does not seem a coincidence esr has disappeared amidst this recent storm about cheating. at point casinos can offer an honest game keep all those il-gotten gains without any worry. -- would rather see go so least play for bonus money maybe get fair game. again they might leave rig in place because of greed factor. played quite bit bj 100 level june july. was doing well when hit incredible nasty streak cost me 15k quit playing big time then. my results are consistent anon314s suggestion turned as players began to harder high levels. remember ug also offered fpdw 100.7 video poker 1 until april. definitely kicked butt on it. but strangely remained. 1600 recent letter to a casino joegamer dear customer service rep i think you should be aware that the gaming community in general does not appreciate it when rules of given game are changed without first notifying player reasonable manner - much less keeping their own reps techs dark inexcusable and unprofessional by your management but fault course just work there. any land-based would clearly post on table avoid misunderstandings players they possibly being cheated. this is an unfortunate situation as have really enjoyed playing at however 'new rules' refer place myself greater disadvantage than previous rules. was one reasons chose site. there still many other online sites which allow early surrender against ace. therefore will probably taking my gambling dollars more 'player friendly' with better future. although am only can assure player's association well organizations for gamers make people change begin informing members casinos offer favorable may wish pass information along management. if decide future restore those previously stated currently reflected help page then happy bring them business recommend others. thanks time read this. 1601 whats the point portia letter serves no positive pupose. does it make sender feel good telling a casino how clever you are and dumb they doesn't pay. you're just rubbing there noses in it. think they're going to smack their forehead say ya he's right we better bring back that surrender rule . lets invite this guy join board of directors sheeesh 1602 some details portia a guy won 50 000 slot jackpot from third party via winward casino. sounds like winwards not paying till the hands check over. player is stuck in middle. been waiting patiently 2-3 months. best regards to you statman. 1603 ug statman to clarify - the 50 000 jackpot is a that linked all their casinos -- seems same at sites. troubling although it troubles me less than not paying because i like most people here don't play aheck of lot slots.... there was post while ago by guy who won big jackpit 120 grand last year and he said had been paid but never saw follow up one way orr other also clear posted actual winner . best luck you too portia. 1604 i'm owed 8k by one well-thought of site gnossos i spoke with the accounting dept ug yesterday to ask where my wire was from a march 12 withdrawal. she said they are having problems their new visa mc bank and that have not received any money them in 3 weeks. so cannot pay until get some coming in. there's no audit or robot talk. almost all win came sport bets. it sounds me like this is running on very thin margin. i'd rather give another couple weeks before naming them. 1605 more statman i'm not sure about point 2 i have always heard that the ssd of bets was 1.15 but you may be right whcih would increase sd a little. as for 1 inidcated in my post guessing it 90 this than guess -- looked through all hands and recorded whtere each hand win or loss there were few where information made difficult to tell. so while can't 100 correct ewas pretty darn close your probably does an effect. think we are still at 3sd maybe slightly less based on 2. quibbling guilty too 2.5 sds is qualitatively different from 3sds they both bad. 1606 not so sure it's honest yet... another anon i have played several hours over the last few days after esr was removed at one group of casinos. been playing 10- 50 level. also used to flat-bet 100 and quit . seen same streaks 10 level in two that saw prior removal both positive negative. granted only about 6 play but that's all taken convince me simply game without esr. 1607 here's my point... joegamer the point of letter was no casino landbased or otherwise should changes rules without making player aware it - doesn't exactly instill trust in by players let alone not update their own personnel about change so they can tell customers when call and want to know what's up just shows bad management. i would have had problem updated site's appropriately but your csrs don't even going on that usually indicates a bigger problem. positive note did credit account for hands being played first few times called because tech unaware thought there with software. if i'm rubbing noses fine. left email unanswered quietly take business elsewhere inform them might lose others maybe more people complained things like this happened online casinos some incentive offer better am naive thinking other complain as well any input be appreciated... after all do need our money is good one place another wouldn't giveaways comps bonuses. why at least are informed out who will always go best table conditions demand decent services prompt resolutions problems which sites playing future ones visiting keep date complaints operators. 1609 what will the effect of u.s. economy be on internet gambling green-man it seems like online is wrought with all kinds fears that at land casinos doesn't provide. i'm wondering if faultering cause more sites to go down and take away people's deposits them 1610 powerbet - avoid playing here internet player dear readers this is a warning to you. do ont play at casino. if you have dbalance withdrawl it. they not pay when win. i recently opened up an account and was promised as confirmed by e-mail from their support group frank 40 bonus on my first initial deposit. well deposited 500 gave these guys large amount of action easily meeting 4x buyin requirement . then had beg for the bonus. fianlly it applied account. another thing should mention that customer service good. send e-mails back forth them resolve any kind issue. number call. anyway actually won place just decided cash out everything. told would now perform audit after little give me 20 in other words retroactively removed granted 100 complained which inolved sending different people waiting answers congratulated over winning implying be happy won. unacceptabble. played. casino does like winners. we need with guys. website www.powerbet.com am still trying get will let know what happens. 1611 max bonus is only 100 mj it in the fine print. that probably why they gave you 20 but itself misleading. 1612 winward casino not paying 50k winner online gambler a of progressive jackpot at has been getting the runaround for months. details on game master's radio show www.casinogazette.com it is most likely problem with insurance company that handles prize several casinos but hey player isn't paid and that's bottom line. 1613 i had a little problem but.... anon32 it was resolved. won 200 bonus scratch ticket of my intial deposit up to 250 . the rules on page were confusing how much one depsoit. they put for 100 depsoit x's in account and then took out when made withdrawal winnings. claimed could only make 50 not more or less. but their banking read something else. at least get your overall after series emails got bonus. wasn't something. paid 2 days. btw have changed wording pages. 1614 i think he means aohell if you are an advantage player why pay 22 or 24 bucks a month when places like juno charge 9.99. 1615 internet gambling on the rise bob johnson is actually at moment. most casino sites are not closed down they simply their players money and run... licensing for online casino's really simple to beat application takes forever process allowed operate in meantime thats when bother playing licences all... 1620 i disagree with point 2 et fan if you are saying that the standard deviation of a single hand must go up from 1.15 because average action as you've defined it then disagree. figure already is adjusted for doubles and splits - that's main reason isn't lt 1.00. other blackjack bonus but bj alone only brings to 1.03. would be inaccurate do double adjustment. we use conventional definition total all initial bets applies. your variance less than 1.03 pushes surrender. also statman counting won or lost he said rather units dollars it's valid him ignore 1 about bet spread. in fact arguably more pertinent here. since have complete history hands could apply directly individual possibly come something even significant. sounds lot like yech work etf 1621 now you tell me the l i thought maybe was giving myself away.is my identity is safe 1622 yes but... internet player the scratch off coupon malfunctioned and did not work for me. casino support person promised me 40 made no mention of 100 limit. after some back forth haggling they finally decided to honor a total bonus 200. also deposited an extra 20 in my account troubles. this was vrey nice gesture on their part i succesfullly withdrawl from so know if real . problem is that customer very good. there telephone access. had send multiple e-mails different people trying rehash everything happened. anyway it resolved satisfaction. 1623 nice to hear.... anon32 if i had been more persistant may have got the 200 was entitled to. am only blame. 1624 i had no problem the l got an 80 bonus with and they credited my neteller a small win right away. liked them but only play nickles to quarters. 1625 they do not have a fedex option at bank mj must use neteller to get the money yet there is 500 limit. can make it little more complicated i agree with malfunction bonus card too got 40 but then was later told 20 . will say that payment quick and software plays like any other rtg. if you rtg give this one try low stakes 1626 too tough on powerbet the l i believe they are a new casino. feel trying and maybe need to get bugs worked out. you should be more careful with your comments. it seems people who play there paid including you. advocating boycott without giving them chance work out is irresponsable. 1627 opa issues tropika warning online gambler special announcement regarding casinos the group of which we identify below fell seriously behind in player payouts and conducted their promotions an unacceptable manner late last year. due to previously good record gave them until end march bring up date. that deadline has just passed time come take stronger measures against protect players' rights fast payment. such as reporting diverse authorities with influence over public about shortcomings will soon be taken. all players payout problems these are urged email pitbossopa aol.com immediately so can establish minute complaints base. regret cannot fight corner non-opa on this issue but nevertheless urge complete complaint form interactive gaming council where is a member. please let us have details your possible get started bringing long-running dispute satisfactory conclusion fairplay jetset magic carpet atlantis star orient express astrobet aztec gold bulls n bears iceberg flying dragon old glory immediate effect been placed opa's 'not recommended' list 1629 about time gnossos these casinos have been continuing to run promotions while claiming they could not pay players until finished an audit of all players' accounts. what a joke. i waiting almost 4 months get paid by jetset. sites pulled other underhanded stunts in the past besides simply refusing out. anyone who considers depositing fairplay astrobet or any site list above has be crazy. 1630 it's too bad they were great once online gambler this family of casinos good consistent well-run for a couple years. then started running insanely profitable promotions from the player's perspective near end last year. it looks like lot unregulated just don't have bank to sustain kind action they've been taking--i now look at betting limits as one my criteria evaluating potential longevity. get in hole and chase their losses with offering unsustainable try traffic up dig themselves deeper. 1631 not a bad idea kathleen turner overdrive i now look at betting limits as one of my criteria for evaluating potential longevity it's hard to believe that some these places aren't aware the damage their promotions can cause themselves. like math is hard. in additon have incredibly high limits. possible anyone even none promo player sign on and run up nice 5 figure bj or vp win. then noogs are standing around scratching heads wondering what hell happened. kto 1632 perhaps internet player if you saw the e-mails that they sent me after their outright refusal to pay and honor commitments might not be so nice. i had threaten them with publicity before finally woke up. it is my problem have some bugs work out. should go prime time until these are worked for one no customer service. sending e-mail back forth an unacceptable form of handling. reported exactly what happened me. based on experience yes would recommend playing there. however also issue ws resolved satisfaction did resolve it. believe was balanced in assesment. readers can make own choice as want play here. presented happened. 1633 they are doing it again luckydog just got a 15 offer no max from them today. after waiting 3 months for wire transfer i won't be returning. guess the free 5 bonus offers have not been working out them. 1634 anyone else had problems with english harbour another anon i have always considered them one of the top casinos but hell a time receiving payment from last time. cashed in near end january after winning about 2k asked for bank wire and didn't receive my money until middle march countless emails phone calls etc. would like to continue playing there if this is happening others maybe i'll skip while. 1636 yes t i had similar problems with this group. they refunded my cc deposits and locked account so could not cash out winnings. when queried what was going on told that would never be unlocked getting winnings because a possible bonus abuser. complained to the igc about them after couple of months were eventually paid out. casino group does have good reputation must admit once speak direct someone in authority moody cashier rep service received spot on. whether now behind me or will know though. 1637 oh please deposit tropika needs your money so they can pay me gnossos good thinking lucky dog. these idiots just keep running promos that off the players still owe. i of course have conflicting emotions toward promos. on one hand want them to get enough paid. other hate see innocent send may take months if ever retrieve. 1638 what other casinos are associated with english harbour nt anon32 1639 got my wire from ug site gnossos i received the 8k that mentioned in an earlier post. thinking naming would do more damage than good since they did pay up. it took 3.5 weeks which is nothing like 4 months and counting jetset currently pulling. 1641 silver dollar caribbean gold nt james 1642 ad vegas lobby david matthews at the bottom of this screen there is a sponsored link for lobby. i checked it out and looks like great site online players. lists many casinos you can get reviews from other believe worth checking will probably visit frequently to look good casino bonus programs being offered. note bj21.com does paid small fee when click their site. 1643 7sultans site adam has anyone had a problem with 7sultans. i signed up and deposited 500. won over 2700 they made me fax copy of d.l. credit card affivid. more.. if been 2 weeks since my withdrawl request no money in bank account as state... does know them... please email 1645 no problems. fish when you win it's actually fairly usual for the casino any not just 7sultans to have fax your license and credit card as well some forms. don't sweat it. i've been paid by before small sums only their sister casinos heard good things about reliability. two weeks isn't anything get worried -- that's a pretty standard amount of time an online delay payment. you'll money but should stay cool be very polite in all correspondence with csrs. it won't help at huffy them. fish. 1646 good advice mj ive had casino take months to pay. be polite and contact them 1-2 a week. some csr's are better than others eventually you will get one that actually solve the problem. not worry 1647 no probs here either been there ......never had to send in verificaion for winnings at sister casino about 300 royal vegas but have always rec'd.......in addition this software feels more honest than some.......i.e. cards 7 hands look random well distributed.....imho 1648 oops...thats hands n t nt been there 1649 it's more than soft doubling bob fisher the rule changes that were recently made at unified gaming are far serious no doubling. in fact most still allow doungling. they took away surrendering against an ace. you can late surrender ace if willing to take insurance first and lose bet. 6 deck game doesn't tell when it shuffles anymore cannot exit mid shoe anymore. 1650 ach bank tranfers frank m on microgaming sites you just put in your and account number is this all there to it do they or the contact verify 1651 nope put your account number in and woolaaa nt anon32 1652 enterbet.com took my 200 usd from credit card but still not on account rocky have emailed them 3 times - with absolutely no response anybody else having this issue brgds. 1653 try the phone scarce 1-800-432-2878 much faster and you'll get some sort of response. 1655 single deck no longer positive bigal a couple of weeks ago all unified gaming sites 'did away with' early surrender vs ace. now this morming when i logged on to one their doubling was restricted 10 and 11. means that game has expectation. das is still allowed but only it nice while lasted. 1656 so tell us nazdeck sinks how many thousands you made when it still had that alleged .50 player adv. 1657 more to statman mrlucky i still stand behind my point 1 and say that bet variance in this case from 3 50 before doubling strongly impacts observed an expected mean. a closer examination of the data reveals at end session our friend who had been calmly placing bets 10 for first 601 hands kind went on tilt started firing 25 next 22 final hands. analysis have removed all which 0 was wagered . these big were only 4 total 17 action yet due unlucky streak he lost 14 surrendered 2 won 5 tied few resulted 51 his loss entire session. note also made basic strategy errors two minor one very costly - not splitting vs 7. certainly it clear than just about anything can will happen during is -3 s.d. because results unreliable. 1660 more to etf mrlucky just a misunderstanding. when i said once again meant in addition our friend's 3- 50 initial bet spread. if you are saying that the standard deviation of single hand must go up from 1.15 because average action as you've defined it then disagree. no i'm not sd flat action. it's already included. but bets do vary so does variance result. see my post statman above . 1662 subset analysis to show bet variation effect mrlucky further illustrate this my 1 of varied betsizes humor me by first taking out all the zero-bet hands and then dividing remaining into two subsets set 1. 1-601. action before doubling splitting etc 4 969. average original is therefore 8.27. win was - 470. so bets lost 56.85. s.d 601 1.13 sqrt 27.70. sample about 56.85 27.70 -2.05 sds in 50 not too unusual an event. 2. 602-623. 030 avg 46.82. loss 485. 10.36. sd for 22 5.30. -1.95 39 what happens if sets are put together total 67.21 size 623. -67.21 623 -2.38 from mean a 115 far cry 000 that statman claims above. since vary within actual number units probably even lower which would move closer towards 0. note expected result .005 3.1 or 30 has been ignored due our luckless friend's poor basic strategy play. he failed split 3 vs 7 with costing him approximately 21 ev on hand alone 1666 detailed analysis only -2.27 sds. mrlucky not too much work etf. clarity is worth a struggle after all isn't the notion of purity integral to why we as card counters continue fight for truth justice and american way revisit our frustrated ug player he played 623 hands. lost 955. his action before doubling splitting was 5 999. sounds like won - 955 999 -99.2 bets doesn't it this would be 1.13 sqrt -3.51 sds less than 1 in 4 000 event but closer look at data reveals that overall hands net 64 were lost. or about 86 event. so pays careful rush judgement when quoting how likely unlikely an is. bet variation makes huge difference. 1668 sub-set internet mr. unlucky your absolutely right..........bet variation makes a huge difference.......now gee what could be the cause of that 1669 unified gamiing single deck bigal i played at a 7 or 8 sites with buy-in never exceeding 500 and in almost every case cashed out profit always 'chickened out' 1000 win because wasn't sure would collect . as it turns collected but not 'speedy' fashion sometimes taking 2 weeks before received payment. seemed that all the games were 'honest' although did very poorly 'bonuses' sample was too small to really make judgement. i'm convinced least on visited honest since deal is from 'fresh' new rules they are no longer playable. - 1670 thanks i call from overseas so 800 no. no use - do you have a normal thank nt rocky 1673 big difference between 2.5 and 3 sds mrlucky statman i have to disagree with your statement but we are quibbling i'm guilty too -- is not qualitatively different from 3sds they both pretty bad. -3.14 initial estimate 1 in 183 3.0 741 only 161 that's a quantitatively 1678 daliman you made some playing mistakes too mrlucky when state that are a ug .3 game i assume single deck with double on 9 10 11 only. note this is actually .43 if played properly. but didn't play proper basic strategy counted 7 bad and there could be others 43 am bet doubled 8 vs 5 cost .80 25 did not .76 52 3 stood 3-card 15 .20 .30 12 19 pm hit 6 t 1.00 59 4 .90 30 50 7. 21.00 the total for these was about 25. expected profit your session which 999 25.80. combined subset analysis see -2.27 sds below does indicate cheating only luck. -mr. lucky 1679 tropika chairman news bulletin online gambler the of john ashbee spoke with steve today. please hear story at http www.casinogazette.com channel one 1681 can't hear it freddy o.g. approximately 30 - 40 source http 808hi.com 56k of modem users can not get a class connection because problems with their connection. in my case there is more than one d convertor between me and the phone company. at 26 400 bps real audio worse useless. could you write summary for rest us 1682 is opa a tropika shill the l it just stall tactic. don't even waste your time listening. i am very suspicious of for giving forum to spread their b.s. some us are more easily fooled than others. let not forget how lied and still refuse pay people. should distance themselves from these people advertise them. this big error on part opa. they showing true colors why shilling them or trying sell memberships did take so long list recommended until can give believeable answer questions be 1684 don't see the link gnossos david i for vegas lobby . 1685 links are bid for david matthews places to have their link higher. the more they willing pay per click higher placement. it appears as though vegaslobby got outbid. can be found at www.vegaslobby.com. feel free check out some of other linked sites - 1686 someone told me................. the mole .........never to go near an internet gaming site. your chances of winning are far less because program you playing with is doctored give worse odds than if were in a real game. do get lucky and win it take ages not forever paid out. this true i have nice bj progression that needs just under 1000 units max bet 200. usually pays out 400 three or four times before fails. on average working which why been barred from two casinos see problem getting worse. should risk putting into online casino so one 1687 progression mr. unlucky i'm afraid no one can tell you for sure if the internet games are fixed but people widely suspicious. strange things seem to happen particularly at high bets. which of course happens in a progression. i would be wary. am curious though about general. give me specifics 1688 i won their 444 bonus joey have played here twice. the first time lost my 150 at blackjack but got deposit back quickly via neteller. second was lucky enough to receive saint patrick's day bonus. maximum 100 so they gave me for pretty pleased. only problem 500 limit withdrawals neteller which is not spelled out anywhere on website. however after emailing them scanned driver's license wired money minus 10 fee . overall happy with them. 1689 thanks its what i supected........ the mole .....the progression starts with 5 units and builds up to give a small but increasing profit after 2 wins following losses. there is bit more it than that seems work serving me well. thank you for your reply. 1690 golden palace fiasco revisited tommygun i am fairly new to internet gaming but recall several complaints about the casino. they are offering a generous promotion now still difficult deal with or have those problems been resolved 1691 i don't think so but.... gnossos can definitely relate to your anger at tropika and frustration with the opa. but opa's current position is reasonable. we have nothing gain by not giving benefit of doubt this point. my stomach tightens as write . one thing in guy's that really ticked me off which steve seemed let slide keeping up date on withdrawals while they try catch november december group withdrawals. why should be put hold more recent players are getting paid 1692 i'm awaiting payment been 6 weeks nt anon32 1693 my point proven daliman mr. lucky statman and others i greatly appreciate your checking the 's for me. yes by own admission went on tilt at end. but so far best case scenario this game being up-and-up is that was a 1 in 115 event. still way more than feel comfortable with. btw mr about poor basic strategy play 2 minor errors 626 hands seems pretty good to me don't see where had 50 hand stood 3 vs. 7 unless it happened be bonus play. 1694 oops i see it now daliman but as said in my initial post made some bad survival type plays near the end of br thus biggie on 3 vs 7 and definitely bets. knew about a 8 vs. 5 being felt like gambling there. others may have missed. playing 300 hand an hour pace can cause few mistakes. i'm just tired wrong side standard deviation. 1695 i doubt the math will interest you.. mooselini .. since you play progressions but have found a game in past where player due to unique combination of rules had about 1 advantage off top and bet between 5 dollars on this losing 300 bankroll. if that doesn't smell outright cheating please tell me what does. people who may wish avoid casino can email for details don't want give too much away. other hand at ussportscasino.com still 170 us rotting away well over year despite my constant withdrawl requests. they modified their site remove endorsements agencies complained so are obviously running money has gone way dodo. just warning. m. 1696 progression or counting mr. unlucky well the fact is that for sure cant work with a random number generater however as you allude to who says its 1697 what are the best online casinos for counters mr.count even with a great count all i have tried seem like fiascos and fixed anybody know any good net where can decent game 1698 i don't think they are fixed john may even with a great count all the casinos have tried seem like fiascos and anybody know any good net where can decent game will not guarantee win in short space of time. most complex systems lose for months or years against mediocre shoe games real world. online shuffle up after every hand counting makes no difference-sometimes this is unstated am sure whether clear to you not. if playing at one handful shuffle-up employed then almost certainly which by real-world standards has extremely poor penetration meaning many cards dealt out very unfavourable counter. generally large betting spread needed profit spreads associated wilder fluctuations than counters deal with. trustworthy internet casino just about countable william hill's multiplayer blackjack game. i've bookmaking wing operation ten some success vouch their honesty. 1699 casino on net mukiku did anybody ever had a problem collecting from 1700 ad bill haywood chat sunday 9 est at rge21 with author of beatwebcasinos.com www.rge21.com you need a 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telling people big bold letters know going but rebate help ease pain. and continue flock even when tell you'll only 96 or 97 cents every dollar put at best . i still wouldn't trust internet casino offer a fair game actually pay happen win. 1706 huh scarce and i still wouldn't trust an internet casino to offer a fair game actually pay me if happen win. are you ostrich 1707 yup revereman first of all most internet casinos that i come across shuffle after every hand which think people would agree makes card counting what do to win at bj useless. second these pages are full complaints winners who have not gotten paid or got the runaround from an casino. third you really is beyond realm possibility some online casino in aruba costa rica wherever capable cheating if us and cheated by overseas no legal recourse. say should take advantage bonuses beat odds. may be true but still out a certain amount money action believe get bonus. sounds like small margin error me. call me ostrich must. i've been called worse. sincerely wish good luck such goldmine. 1710 i agree with all you say except ... et fan the part about a small margin of error. it's very large error compared to action required. i'm not saying inet gambling is for you. if have bankroll earn 50 or more per hour counting then i'd stick real thing. but and know that requires bigger roll than most expect. trust online casinos less strangers on street. yet so huge went ahead it. six months later glad did. unfortunately getting harder by minute. etf 1711 i never lose john may as much you can so get more back. it's like department store coupons for 10 off everything buy. the buy save. what if you're buying things don't need saving money. have lost any money at internet casino or sportsbook. tried to write a response this post and your comments are below but it would take all day i'm not entirely sure serious. strongly recommend fish that copy of gteab out dustbin open mind little. 1712 john revereman i was 95 kidding. however really can't see a way to take advantage of loss rebate without losing. realize this is an internet casino page so most people on it want play the net am not looking cause trouble. call me ostrich close minded anything you but don't feel comfortable with online casinos. as may recall have read your newest book and didn't convince plunge. glad that experience has been good sounds like great one for you. just offering my opinion perspective no facts back up. 1713 proof of a non-random game the gamemaster reader just contacted me about video poker at an online casino www.top-lasvegas.com fearing that 150 return pay schedule was too good to be true he played for low stakes observed carefully and captured screen shots deal. in one hand dealt 6d after discarding it again. we have posted his letter screenshots advisor section my site. gm 1714 i had my suspicions john may was 95 kidding. but you played it with an etxremely straight face. however really can't see a way to take advantage of loss rebate without losing. the simplest be play baccarat or roulette some other game mutually opposed wagers. can lock in profit confederate. maximum limit am aware on net at moment is 1000 pounds william hill casino about 1500 . if bet bank and friend bets player then wins win 950 loses 50 pounds. gets lose two wagers cancel out. we are both getting 10 rebates one us must have 200 rebated leaving total 150 alternatively 225 300 respectively. this example for illustrative purposes only. make much larger amounts strategies though has certain profit. its difficult me how money made easily terrestrial casino. as recall read your newest book didn't convince plunge yes alluding earlier comments. actually last thing want do provide free advertising internet industry. just offering opinion perspective no facts back up. several casinos particulary those regulated by ther gaming boards australia britian large publicly quoted multinational companies long respectable history. having done business bookmaking operations stanley ladbrokes aforementioned over decade know chance being ripped off their virtually zero. frank probably more trustworthy than nevada ac who seem too power respective state legislatures. experience. anyway entitled strong viewpoints fruitful discussion. 1715 key point revereman your strategy works if you have any friends and i'm still looking for one. btw it's easy to keep a straight face online. i could never play poker because wear my emotions on sleeve. agree that would feel fairly comfortable doing business online with an established company like ladbrokes or william hill. not get too sappy here but work in writing-related field admire writing ability the fact been able publish several books. even when write something don't are always civil rational. can me some tickets wimbledon 1717 bank tranfers how long freddy m wondering it should take for the money to reach casino account i have been waiting 12 working days. 1718 ok revereman so give me the name of 1 online casino offering a legit bj game no shuffling after every hand but i know when suffle happens with great rebates. if you guarantee my win doesn't pay will 10 winnings whether or not they me. in other words 1000 and get 100. don't which are saying won't happen need to 900 minus your cut 100 . lose we its because i'm bad player had luck was cheated absorb loss. according thinking am assuming all risks here--can't be fairer than that also man word up. really risking money as since putting up play while any at all. thought rules bje were fair let's see what come for our little deal. can even limit how much willing guarantee. start 500. 1719 contact the casino scarce it shouldn't take more than 2-3 days after they process everything. domain is especially qucik at these. 1720 i'll take the bet scarce ..provided you play basic strategy forget about card counting and keep your bets small enough that variance won't kill you. don't expect too many 1000 wins but a whole lot of 50- 200 wins. expectation if follow these strategies should earn around 100 hour. are making anywhere near cards 1722 casino merlin has not wired since 4-6 ........... arden i cashed out over 2k at on 4-6-01. the first mistake was mine gave them a fax instead of phone when out. they sent e-mail e-maild correct number 4-9-01. then contacted by 3 separate occasions. finally yesterday 4-25-01 said that could expect it end next week. is their policy to send bank wire without talking telephone. my merline asked questions had no rite answer. big question - why do have confirm telephone account routing . what more need 1723 casino merlin be afraid very kathleen turner overdrive had problems here. i won't go into detail but read through the various message boards and you'll see i'm not alone. get impression that their payments are sporadic at best. three weeks for a wire transfer is unacceptable. would stay far away from this site. 1724 real time gaming...is anyone winning at the 100 bonuses this week another anon i have basically went bust each played a 50 -100 bonus an rtg site and i've done eworld grand banks vegas casino online cleopatras. play 5 bj. don't actually expect to say they're if they are but lot of people having same results i'm seeing over last week... 1725 casino merlin nonsense scarce my big question is - why do they have it confirm by telephone i gave them the account routing . what more need short answer nothing. once that bank details should be automatic. one of a handful rtg sites who are mismanaged and or outright crooks. 1726 yes scarce ..though they seem to be set on extreme which is even wilder than the usual streakiness one encounters with rtg software. i don't know if rigged or not but unlike some other software out there my results are always far above below expectation. never seems a happy medium. at worst had record of 3 wins 40 hands and an overall session win rate 20 casino. losing pat bizarre 4 5 6 card combinations 21 regular basis can make anyone paranoid. ok this all said because go player's way as often it does house i'll keep playing these places. for did well cleopatra's roller-coaster though extremely vegas casino lost badly e-world. were week's bonus's. 1727 forensic revereman so how do you play smart find a legitimate online casino just read some of the posts on this page people not getting paid 1728 scarce revereman i am not looking to get into a fezzik bje fiasco. with 500 bankroll can't see having more than 5 unit. realize that you can lot of hands in per hour but think win 20 units just playing bs if i'm counting how do vary my bet the cards are shuffled after every hand or flat betting will net me overall make somewhere between 50-75 an casinos on 25 listen would love 100 no heat and travel i'd also like know fair game paid win. so tell where making doing it. pay percentage profits this. 1729 also yes kathleen turner overdrive losing pat hands of 20 to bizarre 3 4 5 and even 6 card combinations 21 on a regular basis can make anyone paranoid. boy ain't that the truth i would stop playing rtg if it weren't for my good long run results i'm where should be . but can't shake feeling there is something very weird about this game. 1732 reply scarce first do some research. don't expect anyone here to give you all the answers. is a list of sites get started http www.themoneytour.com www.thewizardofoods.com www.thegamemasteronline.com www.ezgambler.com and link chapter from bill haywood's book beatwebcasinos.com now read 1733 final reply revereman i am really sorry that participated in this discussion and post will end my participation. was proposing a business deal supply the bankroll return for someone providing name of legitimate online bj casino could be beaten by counting would share pofits with them. partner's only risk according to them it's not real is if win doesn't pay me partner has 90 win. don't see how fairer. i'm one risking money. all you have do read page many people complain about net casinos. think great there are who can exploit best wishes but remain unconvinced. 1734 ok john may i was proposing a business deal supply the bankroll and in return for someone providing name of legitimate online bj casino that could be beaten by counting would share my pofits with them. partner's only risk according to them it's not real is if win doesn't pay me partner has 90 win. don't see how fairer. i'm one risking money. seems like good me. mentioned wh why try you sign up through affiliate link http www.williamhillcasino.com us index.php3 716400 can monitor your play. i'll also give 10 rebate any losses-in addition bonus money winnings 8 deck multiplayer game countable-just . thrash out details via e-mail want continue this thread-but think other people might find it interesting. given context message hope pb's mind inclusion link. 1735 never heard of grand banks what's the address nt marc no text 1736 talking to walls scarce i was proposing a business deal supply the bankroll and in return for someone providing name of legitimate online bj casino that could be beaten by counting would share my pofits with them. partner's only risk according them it's not real is if win doesn't pay me partner has 90 win. don't see how fairer. i'm one risking money. probably your stubborness stopped anyone from coming forward plan as you proposed it. stated before ad inifinitum need count cards make money . sure we can this any clearer. also seem prepared do research own on subject then state remain unconvinced. gee wonder why understanding term an advantage player seeks out situations whereby he exploit inherent weaknesses game his profit. it admission qualify. 1737 www.grandbankscasino.com nt scarce 1738 i played grand banks luckydog the recent 50 promo and got my check within 5 days. 500 bonus turned into 800 after a long night of playing vp. 1739 videolotteryonline luckydog anyone see the 50 offer up to 750 at this place looks like a soon be bankrupt casino or scam. playing 1742 online casinos- a veteran's view daliman i may actually qualify as an authority this subject have had both extremes happen to me in bj kind of . it starts with the fact that three seperate casinos recieved payoffs over 2000 winnings one withing 2 days cashout. bonus being what they are sometimes found myself not able give action necessary get them so turned same at times starting 9000 total receive my 600 on 3600 bet ravens super bowl god bless ray lewis 6600 account after game 3000 which was deposit. played first 5 hand but just for hell decided start betting 100 when out theoretically .6 player advantage game. dropped down 5200 put stop loss 500 then swung back up 7727 before cashing out. check 9 later. hour pushing br from 2200 and nothing estimated 220 000 playing perfect bs positive expectation while wasn't happy about seemed reasonable also wrong end 2.5 standard deviation swing casino type continually losing 10 vs 6 going 194 hands only double opportunity has been specifically extensively catalouged here. here is official opinion. there definitely cheat there. possibly more cheats than legitimate. feel counting probaly scam every time find favorable count play accordingly using strategy program 7 big bets b4 shuffle happens i've lost much if little even high casinos. personal opinion delved 1500 losses this... stay small. never hand. worse results threshold. whenever or less other -2.5 sd very average results. several you can deposit 250 your 3x 1 hour. recently where 53 3 minutes that's 1000 you're gonna hammer anyone. lucky up. go bust. don't be dumb like tilt overbet br. grind those bonuses their no excuses. fthey want do exactly quit. they'll peg hustler boot ya immediately. say em extra 50 stand it. make kelly criterion mantra. use card startegy strategy. almost always counts half-dealt shoes remember means- negative cards. tens stayed shoe. 154 cards shoe were 64 left 19 aces 5's left. would belive last 18 dealt point ace 4 dealt. oh 12 unit please implore learn mistakes. i'm stubborn 1743 casino view on rigged bj sw portia visited the waterfordcasino.com - sister site to opa approved fortjackpot.com. believe that waterford just feeds fortjackpot now. it uses ogs software same as midnightcasino 2flycasino. does anyone know if this is vegasusa2 also found some statements there i find extraordinary follows what makes our blackjack different because we have only truly fair completely and exactly mimics land based blackjack. other casinos are for a house advantage. in no advantage pre-set take. all of providers even though they use las vegas rules dealer stays draws splits doubles etc. take built into thereby rigging game. system works like cards randomly dealt from card shoe. each every accounted not re-enter shoe until shuffled. random number generator deals solely randomness nothing else period. again software. simply game most realistic vegas-like web. you'll hear shuffle when don't be tricked by offering large bonus percentages with deposits. aren't foolish enough give away free money. these bonuses require play gamblers which will win back due programmed their games may appear certification an independent audit. however 3 or 4 percentage points needed skew favor do create statistical difference show random. think eventually you lose. it's true systems smart players more often than sloppy players. best can beat pre-programmed try starlight communications fairest note mimicking land-based allow consistent raising lost wagers counting schemes fraudulent practices allowed casinos. six deck policy who consistently double increase make opposing bets tactics forfeit entire account balance upon management audit permanently banned .......... another page list leading suppliers meeting standards now has implied basic strategy edge 0.38 off top. penetration rounds between shuffles. but since claim language pretty clear claiming knowledge competitors i.e having greater normal deck. talking thru hats. at end section describe call include joking penalty nefarious ..forfeit . after ding dong sounds familiar. last part so flakey discredit claims about competitors. sites approved. hope casinogazette get missy again. i'd questions her how figure losses down 6 threat bottom line comments 1744 nice post. comments. david matthews i agree with your questions about how they think that doubling after a loss or counting 6-decker 6 pen is problem. it also scares me say would confiscate money if deem you to be doing these things. leaves lot of open room for them rationalize keeping money. do have flat bet every single hand vary at all might mess you. odd don't want progressionists either. vegas casinos wouldn't what are today without progressions players. know many people talked the ug blackjack being rigged and tend that. it's however changed their rules from allowing early surrender not it. game house can't lose why did feel need change hmmm... 1745 a legit online casino. mikmuk i know one which does pays casino on net. true no point counting there but with all bonuses points gifts etc and obviousely luck ended small fortune. 1746 walls that answer revereman since you have decided to make this personal i feel compelled reply. 1. my stubborness has not deterred john may from trying a deal with me which should be closed shortly. he is by far getting the better of only way loses if win and casino doesn't pay apparently long good history online . want able count cards because that's how beat regular casinos. i'm saying casinos can't without counting just don't put time effort into identifying legitimate offers fair game will winnings. 2. why do research necessary find best very simple. think it's worth effort. am willing someone thru winnings for me. in case didn't much but honor our agreement. 3. an advantage player well thank you. skills were honed over many years. same commitment industry makes less or at all so. what you're ken huston hopefully you've heard him saw football spread was out whack bet take situation. are such expert on play assume consider yourself player. goldmine hours week spend playing per month certainly know about talking walls. 1747 btw scarce revereman i'm not equating myself with ken huston so don't go there. 1748 1st hand at offshore casino bias marc i am wondering how others are doing their very first a new casino. wonder if many of these casinos put some sort in software that lets players get off to good start. can't remember the last time lost hand. wish had records. bj's pat winners 8 7 vs. 10 draw six etc. is it makes sense bet bigger on comments 1749 i played the fun mode... anon32 lost considerably fast may of been sd . dealer does not check for bj and will take all doubled wagers splits to bj's am interested hear what others have say 1750 why the ug rule change multiplication if game is rigged and house can't lose did they feel need to rules hmmm... well i can think of a few reasons even rigged. main reason would be less an attraction advantage players. for years now has been number one site players play. these make far fewer mistakes know how play bonuses etc. so represent money or potential losses casinos. notice tried it first at just casinos that have driven away most sure worked on me also with interested in might expect negative publicity from comments like this very message. secondly may proves was honest least lends some respectability. thirdly many observers believe early surrender accidental took opportunity rectify mistake software upgrade. isn't much indication fair game. proof playing i've certainly made up my mind. - mike 1751 mike-that's a cliffhanger post portia dear mike nice but please don't leave me wondering what your verdict is. you said the proof is in playing and that you've made up mind .......... 1753 strange rules scarce from their website general promotion limitations you will receive your deposit bonus instantly after transaction is approved. can not cash-out free money. must wager real money before the amount of decease in value only have played to 50 ongoing entire subsequent deposits. so it's a sticky which probably shrinks rapidly as play initial deposit. who comes up with this kind p.s. note freudian slip misspelling instead decrease . i suspect they're correct and soon wither die. 1756 i suspect your correct luckydog which is why posted this. have no heard anything positive or negative. 1758 avoid fairplay casino steelers fan this place has owed me over 2000 for six months now. i have received excuse after when send in withdrawal requests. prolonged period trouble believing i'll ever see that money. don't fall 'fairplay' name they're the biggest thieves i've run across yet. steelersfan 1759 avoid all tropika casinos anon314 i believe the whole group owes online gambling community something like 300 000. they are in class of casino owners who know nothing about gambling. hey let's have a roll call. anyone is owed money by these crooks respond to above post 1760 looks too scary for me to play. you first nt anon314 1761 me kathleen turner overdrive c'mon tropika time to pay up. 1762 owed 725 nt another anon 1763 ok hrevereman et fan i want to be able count cards because that's how beat regular casinos. i'm not saying online casinos can't without counting so you'd rather win 10 an hour with a huge ror by than 100 nearly risk free through bonus hustling really what you're saying. don't know of any opportunities make over 12 pure do you has almost no bearing on advantage play and little the discussions this page. get copy www.beatwebcasinos.com should. even if never it is historical record situation that could gone in year. nobody going lay out all details sting page for obvious reasons but here's hint it's about as stimulating watching grass grow. think boring fuhgedaboudit. etf 1764 35k nt nona 1765 2700 nt captain jack 1767 i am owed the l me 1768 contest fezzik i have reversed my position on prior post and asked david m to delete it . please disregard it. thx 1769 got paid 18k hence the name luckydog nt 1770 i agree samiam was thinking the very same thing. many times i've received a bj on first hand. also seem to win early too. 1771 i'm having luck with... samiam casablanca sportsbook and casino. http www.wagerweb.com i was a little concerned about my initial payback had to fax copies of credit card driver's license lots trouble. everything is cool now no problems getting paid i've been there over year now. started out with sports gambling only. are bonuses or comps at this time so shopping for new online their blackjack game seems very fair up 650 in week playing the 2 - 50 table. 1772 did ascot casino steal your money alex oiiveira an international class action lawsuit is being launched against the corporation that owns casino. if you had stolen by them. send us story. we are especially interested in players who having difficulty charging back with their mastercards. there strength numbers. o oliveira.com 1773 attention anyone who had money stolen from ascot casino alex oiiveira an international class action lawsuit is being launched against the corporation that owns casino. if you your by them. send us story. we are especially interested in players having difficulty charging back with their mastercards. there strength numbers. o 1774 5 months and still owed 7k by jetset gnossos but they promise will pay me. i wonder if give me any interest on the right. 1775 rigger mortis multiplication so i think that the change of rules isn't much an indication a fair game. proof is in playing i've certainly made up my mind. sorry thought it was obvious to anyone who has played there . humble opinion rigged. mike multiplier. 1777 owed monies unluckier have you recieved your 7k yet 1779 over 3k nt james 1781 doe anyone know... samiam the players disadvantage in following game 1 deck shuffled after each hand. da2 das split only 2 times late surrender s17 thanks. 1783 0.202 player advantage from bjmath.com james see link below. 1784 ad..... find a list of casinos that paid me at............. arden that's what this site is all about. take look. thanks 1785 how can this be samiam could an online casino offer game if it has a player advantage are you sure of 1786 casino merline update ........... arden after posting on this board i e-mailed told them to check my post. don't know if that helped or not. even they checked the anyhow received wire same day 4-26-01 good luck 1787 ug site finds excuses not to pay winners dave a i'll wait until friday give this time think over their decision. they owe me 2363. i started with 500 and won an xfl future's bet. excuse is that did wager three times the deposit. forget rule respect earning bonus - it applies everyone. want see if casino keeps thinking can force player play. do will be naming them. 1788 well it could be that . the real ky hick game software is rigged. or casino management believes enough people will play with less-than-perfect basic strategy which case most of time so they'll still make money. this same reasoning used when casinos online brick-and-mortar offer video poker games such as full-pay deuces wild a player's advantage played perfectly. 1789 thanks... samiam thanks for the info guys even though i'm up about 50 units at this particular casino i still question fairness of software. it sure seems like they draw 21 way too much when have a hard 20 and 6 showing. would also be alot more if had little discipline. were beating me drum was getting mad instead quitting or just betting minimum normally do some idiotic reason kept playing raising my bets dropped 550 in 10 minutes . back on plus side i've learned good lesson controlling emotions can't control them i'll quit next time. 1790 give 'em up samiam i think you should tell us who they are to prevent your fellow forum members from getting screwed too. then if do the right thing can repost it here. thanks. btw this is reason i'm scared play other casinos. i've found one that pays me when ask them to. have no comps and deposit alot of money get a bonus but know i'll paid. 1791 so play 3xdeposit bob fisher what is the problem 3 times deposit you didn't say which casino this typical i can't help much. they may be a 30 day open account rule. doubt will do anything on friday unless told would. payouts are usually only made mondays. if must try bj. took out surrender against an ace but single deck game still good honest and shoe deals about 50 before reshuffling. 1792 i called them... samiam they've developed their own software. asked them if it was tested verified by a third party for fairness. they answered no but that would be willing to do had someone in mind. have play fun area which reccommended before trying real and promised me is the exact same as games. also offered free 25 account with obligations signed up. 1793 presumably james the problem is that he thought was placing a sports wager would be paid immediately if won. you made winning future bet at imperial palace in vegas they're not going to ask play for an hour blackjack table before they'll give money. 1794 strange bonus offer... enquirer a reputable i believe online casino offers the following incentive deposit over 300 in at least six installments period of month and they'll reward you with your average i.e. 50 cash - immediately withdrawable proviso that wager 30 90 is this ligit even dreadful bj game seems to be tremendous player advantage their would appear 0.55 house edge you'd expect less than 1 loss get return. what am missing here any words wisdom gratefully received. thanks 1795 why not john may you are correct in thinking this is mathematically attractive but only the sense that most internet casino bonuses are. much better deals exist from reputable companies. without more info i can't tell whether its legit or what you've said no reason exists it should be. 1796 info enquirer can you be more precise about the extra would need john most other net casino bonuses - apart from initial freebies seem to along lines of only cash in deposit plus bonus amount or lose lot which is very dodgey a player's point view whereas this seems mathematically certain unless actual bj game somehow contains an in-built 17 house edge and not at all line with unattractiveness former. course may doubtless have come across many types that i haven't. thanks 1797 here's the problem with playing 3 times deposit dave a by telling me i must play three which is absurd they are letting know that find excuses not to pay winners. therefore any bets make from this point on very negative ev. either lose bet or win and there high probability will more pay. as for casino have agreed me. if do in fact i'm going name them because told would not. although may lie 1798 extra info john may can you be more precise about the would need to determine reputability of a given e-casino i look first at its business credentials if it has trustworthy presence in terrestrial world likely reliable then software uses i'd check out dejanews and gamesmaster site see anyone had problems with it. don't how type bonus offered any way correlated trustworthiness specific casino just seems me this organization creative marketing dept. i've better offers from e-casinos where was even easier lock profit i'm not talking initial deposits. also that certain amount action is probably expected they exactly spell much. really think anything dodgy but your choice good cards. 1799 further thoughts enquirer thanks. yes they require 30 of your total deposit in wagers before pay-out so if you 600 six installments over a month wager 180 at 0.55 dissadvantage 6 deck bj and average c. 1 loss they'll credit with 100 the following - cashable. lose 140 win 40 terrible 77 still break even. sounds too good to be true. 1800 it is for us john may sounds too good to be true. some marketing data help here. on average every registered customer loses an of 358 annually. that includes the sharp players. so unless they attract nothing but advantage players and regular like bonuses profit deal. i mention this because had no idea how netcasinos can afford more extravagant promotions till began understand lucrative whole enterprise is. business just a money mint right now. 1801 so... enquirer ... they'll show a profit from even the most extraordinarily player-friendly deals diabolical play of mr. mrs. average maybe there's money to be made on this one after all. they don't use playcheck or any other wager-recording mechanism as far i can tell which may give them option eternally deny that required wagering has taken place but better luck next month sir. also free mode and real feel like two different games so had surmise big brother was observing manipulating - how many player 16s drawn not busted before wide-eyed become cynical rngs blowed. cheers. 1803 you were correct gnossos right to protest having play even 1 more. and give them a chance rectify the situation before named them. i'm guessing will be paid. 1804 my first bonus chasing experience samiam i signed up to play at the club mardi gras casino they were offering a 100 bonus. last night about 10 minutes before offer expired. deposited and had it 3 times qualify for probably played 5 eventually lost initial deposit playing blackjack carribean stud poker big mistake . this morning gave me which must can withdraw. will do best keep as much of can. 1805 the software java seemed dodgy sirius it might have been my bad luck. i think know which casino you are talking about. 1806 cool samiam cashed out tonight for 150. i've got another 100 bonus offer from casino. i'm wondering if i should quit while ahead nah i'll keep playing. - 1807 so who are these guys anyway the real ky hick you have my curiousity if for no other reason than your nickname is a pet name i used an old girlfriend. long story. 1808 100 bonus ad david matthews cleopatra's is one of the casinos doing this promotion as well. they pay for a link on our home page. click bj21 in left frame and over to cleopatra's. have good reputation heck... advertise with bj21. - 1809 can't see any link nt enquirer 1811 tried their... enquirer free game again and lost about as badly i won previously so the jury's out. but playing live with a load of bonus tokens lot an approx. nine hand losing streak - paranoia they do offer extraordinary money deal see above exchange john. very tempting. 1813 thanks samiam i started playing cleopatra's last night. have not received my bonus yet however. they appear to be affiliated with club mardi gras say that because the site and software is identical. may call ask for sent an e-mail saying had been deposited next day. 1814 i'll tell you samiam send me an e-mail samuelpaul excite.com btw sorry but i am a dude. - 1815 another 100 bonus offer samiam http www.thebigbook.com it appears to be a sticky bonus. here are the rules.... www.esportz.com bulletins may bb_matchplayrules.html they referral bonuses so if you plan play i'd appreciate let me know i can refer and get i'll gladly do same for anyone else. 1817 look on the homepage near bottom in sponsored links box nt david matthews 1818 vegas palace casino sam mcdonough the located in costa rica does not pay players when they happen to win. are crooks. 1819 never play cs john may while i sometimes baccarat online for cover purposes and to reduce fluctuation is really bad news. don't think any reason exists this or the other poker derivatives online. that high house edge will seriously eat into value of a bonus. 1820 i agree samiam knew this but played anyway because really enjoy the game. just wish they would change rules to make it more playable. 1821 got it nt enquirer 1822 maybe they don't have the money to do so -nt anon615 1823 an idea is to give each casino a credit line dave they are giving all the signs going pay. if for some reason do not i will first assume clerical error and them chance. it totally unacceptable me that can afford pay advertisers accept deposits. want pick choose who then am make sure in list of those do. as far telling told would paid paying. there lots reasons enemies unless you have looks like no longer to. check out websites before deposit at opa on blacklists gamemasteronline prescription winneronline gamemeister let any one large chunk your money. better few hundred ten casinos than 3 thousand just should set maximum amount willing particular have. example max microgaming site might be 1000 new with unknown software 300. 500 get 100 bonus quit cash find yourself up 400 or certain action whichever comes first. 1825 vegas palace casino sam mcdonough in several phone calls of promises to pay paul muller manager never mentioned not being able pay. he only said if i did bad-mouth them on the internet they would all money owed. say anything against for two months. made no attempt even one penny. have five pounds documented eveidence that owners and managers do players when win. makes crooks. also know costa rica well. there are bad casinos worse is 1826 winnersplaygournd anon32 anyone have any good bad experiences 1827 magicoasiscasino.com not paying online gambler opa has put on the recommended list. they are refusing to pay many players. 1829 casinoblacklist break their legs portia check this site out onlinecasinomanagersassociation.com they have an online casino player blacklist. with over 85 member casinos. motto displayed on the web page is we'd like to . then provide private data -name address phone number etc of featured scammer week. nice. unfortunately today magicoasiscasino.com decided refuse pay winners in there recent promotion claiming that players where list. changed promo rules a week after it started but even those who did meet new requirements are locked out. i was one victims so immediately called some honest managers members association. not anything good say about association and told me by linked magicoasis. also searched blacklist confirmed my name nowhere it. as feared couple months ago when opa voted down plan for broker ensure its integrity we now crooked casinos setting them up. take advantage follow happen win. channel broadcast at casinogazette.com. believe abuse will get worse once las vegas come online. why look extent go cc's level away usa. internet free all. 1831 casino -on-net factor x does anyone have any experience concerning casino-on-net i recently opened an account. particularly has experienced difficulties in having winnings transferred to them 1832 objective evaluation sites factor x 27 years gambling in land-based casinos. 5 days one on-line casino.i have been trying casino-on-net. so far from a surface viewpoint the games appear fair. e-mail 24-hour support has exceptional.i am concerned though about retrieving my deposits bonuses and winnings. i expect to get deposit back this casino. but these casinos reputation for stretching customer when it comes paying off question are there any that info devoted an of 1834 incredible-bj2021 windowscas. portia i am stunned. a poster at opa board casinomeister.com has uncovered press release showing that the registrant of domain names windowscasino and magicoasiscasino is same avi goldman in israel who owns ac g which sells card counting software bj2021. marketed to play against online bj games. windows casino manager tony friedman listed as also. i've seen this bj2021 advertised on bj21. it was catalog. not very good imho but makes trojan horse build an email list for or ... guess what. managers association blacklisted players excuse pay winners magicoasis managed by ........ friedman. what business guy has. all bases covered. cardcounting with advice how use beat casinos ocma blacklist strip them their money if they win. incredible 1835 here are three scarce www.themoneytour.com www.casinos-that-pay.com www.thewizardofodds.com at each i think you'll find a fair review of casino-on-net the software used customer support and their business practices. 1836 i guess knew that you knew.. john may ..and knew...or something. nonetheless can't do any harm to warn people of the evils huge cs house edge. know what mean about it being a fun game. try practice software or learning video poker strategy its close . i'm working on an analysis card counting right now but think need see all seven hands at table play with edge-which rules out online play. 1840 speaking of which... cindy i was curious if any advantage could be gotten in the multi-player cryptologic version game which allows up to 5 players at 1 table. so wrote a simply simulator that removed 20 cards from deck representing other 4 players' and then computed ev hand based on optimal play. now normally cs has house 5.2 . even more intercasino according my very rough results you can shave 3 0.5 off knew played optimally. thoughts 1841 warning signs were there that windows casino is bad dave a has never had great reputation as far i am concerned. all one needs to do go network solutions and an investigation such the who command on url. if repeated names of domain servers here might get my post busted off bj21. 1842 here they are - that's not all into dave a these the domain servers for rtg's windows casino. this information is from network solutions who command. you can do yourself at www.networksolutions.com and site that bj21 ought to have link because it very useful investigations there. so list of bj software online casino manager's association some other stuff ns.nudecelebrityxxx.com 195.56.65.109 ns.freehardcoresmut.com 195.56.65.110 someone send an email casinos belong organization ask them if want be associated with people involved in stuff. 1843 sounds right john may i've heard of two other studies which derived the same figure for five hands. i'm pretty certain you are correct. interesting as this however it still leaves us with a significantly worse game than blackjack. guessing is why they use not seven spots. could clarify how optimal strategy and ev depleted pack i have an idea to improve things little. thanks most post read in long time here. 1844 this does not surprise me starnet john may starnet-the largest turnkey providers-dealt exclusively with pornographic sites until they discovered gambling was more profitable. the connection between and sleaze is an obvious one. 1845 my method cindy here's a run down of the simulation choose 5 cards for players hand 1 card dealers upcard remove 20 other cycle through 26 4 possible hands that dealer can make and compare each to player's. these determine if 1. does not qualify 2. qualifies ties 3. loses 4. wins ev surrendering -1 raising p 3 2 payout - where depends on hand. this is higher above ev's corresponds optimal play. that's about it i didn't even try calculate game would simply take too long. lack math skills approximate answer. so just ran sim. results one by way total 000 wagers 213 900 losses 24 639 result -2.46 hey you count comps whittle edge -2.02 . have more but took long thought why fight losing battle also wrote something similar test mutli-player let ride sadly were encouraging either. in case you're interested 10 million -185 313 -1.85 bets 12 868 003 bright side i've noticed at intercasino receive comp points original though player risks only 1.3 units average sim 1846 thanx john may thanks-great stuff. i was hoping you'd used a crude linear estimation method-but it sounds like these results cannnot be improved upon. would run some more hands when you have time since the game has lot of variance owing to those long-odds payoffs and million trials won't enough for clinical exactness. are correct about lir even seeing all seven spots does not overcome house edge. one thought tried looking at pai gow poker above two games had analysis published in math journals so its easy figure out how many cards must kept unseen prevent players from winning. this is true pgp might able transfer your code other relatively easily wizard odds also done much already. 1849 ur welcome cindy hi you're right the code would translate pretty easily for pai gow poker. but i'm not really interested in trying to beat gow... besides i don't think there's any multi-player pgp available online. thanks all your info. maybe i'll run some more stud sims... 1850 check this scam out lol portia detailed complaint indicates that guy was not even on the blacklist for some time after recieving boot from magicoasis. also says robert miller only joined ocma day before sending all those emails about blacklist. does sound like he abusing bonus story below taken an actual at opa 773 opened account may 3rd and deposited 1000. immediately rec'd email 2 46 pm welcoming me. but almost entire message devoted to telling me different ways casino will provide free money players. 51 second informing my deposit had been approved. 56 a miller. note i have chance bet yet communicated with in surprise informs has credited 200 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experience cryptologic boss media and all microgaming other than tropika. some great real time ones. you need research each site individually assume it good type alone. case windows casino was just one clue were no good. way answered email inquiry before becoming customer statements knew false another. 1854 another way to make money steal it dave a this is lot more common than i would have thought. there are two ways of making money. one collect vig on the players action over long run. other look for excuses from customer. if they find out excuse unacceptable with internet community will either or cough up 1855 interesting stuff john may i'm not saying that gambling sites are affiliated with pornography necessarily bad but i will say starnet in particular seems to have a high proportion of sites. by mean do pay what they promise or respond email. is interesting. i've never had any dealings casinos as gambler because one the provide for was obviously misrepresenting my own website referral commissions and b company has an extremly volatile chaotic corporate history. i'd been led believe so far associated always paid up. you need research each gaming site individually assume it good software type alone. absolutely. might consider putting this post your internet chapter book since applies equally sportsbooks well casinos. case windows casino just clue were no good. way answered email inquiry before becoming customer statements knew false another. uh-huh. don't think association thing indicative dishonesty. example playboy online operation. would be more rather than less inclined trust knowing its large monolith like lose negative publicity value gain from ripping off gamblers. 1856 ocma member sites that i consider to be theives anon314 gold key casino 12-06-2000 steve kalamar bar 12-12-2000 michael 12-17-2000 jonathan pinnace group 01-08-2001 joseph edwards fairplay 03-02-2001 john it is common knowledge the software from and blatantly rips people off. has owed me money for several months. their's everybody's favorite thief fairplay. 1857 scam bj.player they earn their money the old fashion way steal it. 1858 click by please bob fisher i went to the opa website and can't find anything about this. assume others don't want waste a lot of time surfing. can you give us this after getting site. thanks. 1859 dr. ho casino factor x i recently downloaded the which offers live dealers dealing from a shoe. graphics and technology have taken on-line gambling to whole new level. games can be played for free w o real money. when tried make deposit was unable do so. sent 3 e-mails over 2 day period enquire as blackjack rules conditions along with residency requirements received 0 e-mail replies. state of art site but lacking in customer service.has anyone else had any experiences this 1861 www.casinomeister.com opa news online gambler there are several sections on this message board look for the unified gaming announcement. http discus index.html you can listen to steve www.casinogazette.com he covers current actions it's been a busy week . don't with kids in room unless feel like explaining new vocabulary items. 1862 microgaming online gambler the infamous golden palace and its kin used to be sites. tropika group has continued take bets run promotions for months after publically admitting they are out of money. stated that would mediate player disputes with but ignored actual complaints submitted them. in my opinion it is only a matter time more sites go bad as competition players' dollars intensifies. 1863 yes scarce it's weird. the 70mb download promises a whole lot but graphics aren't that great like bad video game. live feed is rather hard to see also. supposedly you could count cards there as can sort of shuffle being done by assorted cute asian women whether that's legitimate say. overall interest for technology worthwhile remains be seen. ask free cd or spend an inordinate amount downloading. 1864 you are in good hands. mikmuk the best. i had no problem collecting listen to this over 20 000. 1865 fair play what a joke nt gnossos 1867 internet gambling monitoring software bonusplayer interesting article on casinowire. i'd be interested to see how it works. click link read the story. 1868 sorry. click here for the link nt. bonusplayer 1869 vaporware multiplication sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. everybody wants software this give them a soothing feeling of security or perhaps bit if they try anything on me i'll be ready for but how can it work know that it's playing game dice blackjack many jokers are supposed in vp deck sometimes i don't myself . even knows involved would have very clever notice correlations between certain outcomes when might favor the house. their site crashed netscape i'm loathed go there with bill's ware. doubt is any substance this. however it'll great thing. m. 1870 internet casinos bj.player i do most of my playing on global player because have not had any problems and the game seems fair but i'm always looking for better places to play. if anyone can provide good online that they personally play at info would be much appreciated. thanks. 1871 i will try to investigate this bob fisher does look interesting and hope investgate it further. they are in my neighborhood. the problem appears be that host computer casino server must accept an input from your help calculate random numbers. if cheat why would numbers online gaming systems already has something similar. 1872 my understanding james it sounds like the rng takes two inputs one from player side and casino. in addition entire game algorithm is duplicated on casino so that possible to replay a series of hands demonstrating they did indeed result components. presumably would be modify user-side components this playback mode demonstrate does depend upon user's input. possibly run extended free play simulations offline fairness with assurance being tested identical real money game. however average not going do any extensive checking may fact turned off if verification interferes gameplay only way might achieve extra confidence was used for validation by licensing authority par nevada gaming control board. safebet igc antigua or even opa aren't reasonable substitutes. 1873 letter from hungary toth jozsef powerbet is unfair. they are impolite. write me that i want to play only free 10. think so a shit. if download the program give my account asked how. and you wnt for am not beggarly phone over 100 in month 'cause use internet lot. fuck their mother will with others. hope nobody them. sorry mistakes but english perfect. 1875 it's not that hard to check out microgaming sites dave a there are at least seventy casinos and fifty of them will pay you every penny they owe it in reasonable amount time whether like or not. some bad ones particular the tropika group thieves. have stolen from me because i started doing this when warning signs were beginning but most likely would also be owed money if had sooner. new site uses that's usually good sign takes lot open up one biggest reasons for paying cusomter is having much money. must each individualy. go get publicity expected do so very 1876 my experience here was ok dave a they gave me the bonus promised. i did end up winning substantial amount on game and paid this within an average length of time. didn't think their service great need to send them email call but would not say horrible either. it about average. 1877 agree on avoiding these casinos dave a should be avoided. there has been lot of complaints posted around the net and in particular at opa site about them. is no question that risk playing sites will always far outweigh any possible reward. 1879 more on windows casino doubtful sent me an email telling i had 1000 to play with if set up a new account. was but downloaded there software and then contacted them about the bonus. after several emails containing nothing restatements of promotion they finally came clean told that indeed would get it be money. know it's ridiculous for anyone believe give is also have such blatantly false promotion. 1880 it says this on the download page scarce and that's pretty mild anyway. more annoying is their banner online casino of year 2001 phony real player testimonials. most disturbing all affiliation with magic oasis casino. perhaps these guys are crooks playing minimum 2x deposit bonus will likely get you barred as being some ficticious abuser fraud perpetrator list. 1881 and doubtful i think they were voted online casino of the year by that prestigous organization with 1 member called windows management . 1882 powerbet pays fast the l i played at and won was paid very fast. twice. don't think could have been faster. like them recommend highly. they credited my neteller in an hour or so to see good casinos get bad press. work for no interest them. 1884 quicksilver joe i think so casino is look like powerbet. what do you about which the original will never play with powerbet because there are a lot of on net and better then write me or very interesting that 2 casinos same quicksilver. 1887 you thought we monitored rngs opa mary heck no manufacturer has ever invited the to monitor their software. and even if they did hasn't got resources check make sure there was switch later. just wanted that everybody here's aware of opa's limitations. we've gotten some highly optimistic email lately. quixotic third party rng system will have be set up by a real regulatory agency such as nevada or new jersey kept behind locked doors with encryption all good stuff. 1888 my wonderful experience at golden comps statman i had pretty much quit online vp beecause the bonuses were drying up big levels. foolishly decided to take a chance casino because they 20 bonus 2000 max bonus. do require 6x deposit plus wagering rule but thought i'd drop 5k down and see what happens. have poker game that is about 99 so figured 7x 6 x dep 6x20 would just break even if did not hit royal since accounts for 2 of win. 1 loss on - 3 x7 -21 . well didn't get was nowhere near even. played 8500 hands total -- 6500 98.7 pickem game. ridiculous in those should 15 or 16 quads think 7. couse no four aces only special 4 kind. course kinds pickem. use real-time gaming software decent luck past with this. this hard really makes me wonder. altogether --i lost 2500 own money 1000 42k wagered 3500 more than 8 bad streak luck... be advised you decide play there it may run sure feel way.... 1891 i have put..... anon32 certain casino's on my do not play list and after a few bad runs with golden comps believe the games are random 1892 bring me luck is dead tom i have not been paid my winnings for two months now. emailed them 10 times over the past 3 weeks. no response. phone number on their website doesn't work. anyone know if they went out of business. 1893 many 100 for casinos owned by the same co. tom mardi gras e world club regal and cleopatra's. they pay first time you do bonus--by fed ex. hassle second around--a 50 promotion. make fax all of stuff still havent paid me around each these casinos. 1894 they owe me also and use regular mail dave a no longer send express. that means long wait for things to arrive. money. if i don't receive it i'll do what can make sure noone else has the same problem with them. now however i'm giving them chance. 1895 i doubled my money there........... arden played threr about a month ago 250 buy in - 500 cashed out. several v.p. games bj. 150 on bj 100 vp. will play there again. good lick 1896 wasn't implying james that the opa was in business of validating casino software just tacked them on as an afterthought to list sort-of regulatory bodies out there. i specifically stated imo no currently existing body would be up this. if nevada or possibly uk gets serious could change. otoh bet does include knowledgeable people who jump at chance validate a casino's gaming algorithms they cared open-source part their keeping all pretty graphics stuff proprietary . and membership includes more qualified do this than any other _current_ wannabe agency like igc. 1897 thanks darlin' we're trying nt opa mary 1898 they were active in february kelly_j i played black jack at bring me luck february. had no hassle then have read other postings on here of trouble and that is why haven't been back 1899 infinia card which casinos kelly_j i have registered with and would like to know will do transactions 1900 proc cyber services james this is a creation of so it should work with any microgaming casino using pcs for ecash. the only other group that i know signed up them was tropika but they are currently taking money in not paying out 1901 cinema oscar casino welching on bonus terms opa mary www.cinemacasino.com aka www.oscarcasino.com ran a 10 paypal deposits. apparently they encountered difficulty in being consistent with the of promotion and much unhappiness has ensued. bonuses have been rescinded their text become incoherent. long rancorous thread can be found at www.casinomeister.com 1902 aloha progressive winner unpaid since 4 2 01 opa mary and boy is she pissed. check out the posts by bellamia on www.casinomeister.com everything you need to know in subject line here trumpets her win their site. adkins tapes promises of checks mail. soon can hear gory details www.casinogazette.com 1904 of course a twenty thousand dollar deposit wakes them up dave i read some the complaints and these depositors are pretty greedy if you ask me. 20 000 for bonus 2 000. put in action about 10 edge minus whatever house there is on game 1 percent bj . this possibly one that woke casino want to hustle bonuses give lots play around 30 times action. perfectly will have nice avoid lot problems. problems grand watch alarms go off 1905 less than that james the disputes are arising because original stated terms didn't even mention wagering deposit amount so players who deposited 20k for a 2k bonus complaining they were required to play more 8k i.e. half of their deposit. amazing thing is this happened not long after c3i astra got caught in same trap only 20 bonus-- 50k 10k wager 40k and cashout. 1906 greed tommy paris i read a similar complaint on the opa forum. someone deposits 20 000 and then is pissed off that casino did not reward him with 2000 after his minimal play quick cash in. this ridiculous. people like are killing golden goose for rest of us. when do as dave suggested. give them lots action am welsome back. thsi guy witht he 20k now probably labled bonus hustler. 1907 what's amazing is that... opa mary they are not killing off these offers. so many new casinos opening being run by utter idiots it doesn't matter what players do. you don't have to be a bonus hustler for them lose loads of money and go out business. look at tropika. were warned repeatedly that their offers too good sustain operation but chasing losses. places think can screen the after running promotion just pay winners news does get around backlash create drop in deposits do under. yet more pop up doing same thing like mushrooms on cowshit. 1908 non-american players caruso a question for any with online gaming experience whose currency is not the dollar - john may's input as fellow brit would be useful. i've suddenly twigged that 1 exchange rate commissions on credit card transactions and 2 cheques in american dollars which cost an unbelieveable amount to cash are really going eat into profits accrued if invalidate whole exercise. has anyone found way around this 1910 these casinos are not perfect dave a i for one appreciate the fact that opa stands up player's interests and am member of this organization. i'll say people like steve mary put with lot crap believe me to help me. but we have realize talking about leadership. i'm who complain create bad publicity because they willing accept real damage themselves in order be labelled recommended . places perfect. need very careful before place. otherwise will conclude no matter what do bonus hustler or scam artist is going get them on lists unless whatever con person tells do. if casino offers promotion too good true an obvious mistake 10 amount you want deposit 20k more minimal play requirements then it exceed expectation by large rather than bitch turn your action into rogue casino. 1911 becoming less of a problem... john may i've suddenly twigged that 1 exchange rate commissions on credit card transactions and 2 cheques in american dollars which cost an unbelieveable amount to cash are really going eat into any profits accrued if not invalidate the whole exercise. has anyone whose currency is dollar found way around this they won't excercise but i take your point-its problem. no simple answer problem don't think one exists. fortunately now our bookmaking casino operations all online many will accept pounds sterling. you new player want target these anyway-why hand some dodgy bunch cowboys caribbean when can bet with william hill aside from only advice offer know anyway - shop for best rates shit banks negotaiting try out large absolute amounts since reduces commission use paypal netteller firecash whenever possible. also its worthwhile petitioning casinos sterling single e-mail often dictate policy shift sort thing. 1913 some factions within the opa are quick . kathleen turner overdrive start bashing a casino that made big mistake and doesn t want to pay for it. but you know there has be sort of line drawn. if sends an offer 10 bonus on all deposits wager 2xb then those rules they should either or suffer negative publicity. after ones who screwed up. in current climate cannot depend bunch online gamblers depositing losing control. imagine land-based had 2 to1 bj promo max bet 1000 got hammered. decided before anyone could cash out will retroactively lower 25. any winnings being paid 1 bets higher than 25 needed returned. i both this would never fly have hell pay. see no difference. these casinos need evolve perish. it's just simple. can smarten up get eaten alive s nature business. we as players under obligation give them pass. now ask doing so help player long-run don really know. do it almost always best while gettin is good. otherwise lose out. kto 1914 looking for online let it ride jay hi folks - has anyone found a reputable casino that offers game i play bj and video poker on enterbet but really like the big payoffs. hit 4 of kind in vegas last year twice over 1200 each time would to find an same action. thanks any help you can offer. 1915 let it ride games the gamemaster hello jay. my site gamemaster's casino directory has a list of lir in other table section. gm 1916 sent me a check last month online gamer they month. hopefully don't go dead as i still have substantial amount there. figure that their new system of sending checks by mail is almost fast fedex from this islands. although it's via us and my location quite close to where send 1917 i got paid winnereverytime i'm not quite sure what you guys are up to but after a win with no problem. 3 days be exact. 1918 543 in my pocket lucky 7 pocket. only took 5 days to get winnings. 1919 hate to be a killjoy but... john may lir has quite high house edge...which nothing can really done about. if you have had big win...wouldn't this good time quit while are ahead because of those longshot payoffs its easy get lucky initially but the edge reels back in...slowly and painfully... 1921 fairplay lies again right here anon314 234 yahoo.com and 4355n . geeze can't you morons at even make up mailing addresses that look reasonable only a minute apart. how freaking stupid do think we are. my post has been for nearly month when guys repond. is one of bad publicity now people are going to another because put these bogus messages. hopefully will come back this page in so can remind us thieves. according an article on rgt online the tropika group cash hand 80k canadian owes over 100k players from their promo last year. doesn't sound like solvent casino which anyone should play. hey david matthews verify winnereverytime lucky 7 indeed posted same ip address multitudes ripped off by 1922 just in case you missed it a tropika stupidity update anon314 has demonstrated how stupid thay are again. they seached the back messages for mention of their site. found my message titled avoid all casinos and made two bogus replies too within minutes. if had let that post sit would have been unread by anyone new to this go down bottom page see shill posts. rabbit trix kids. 1923 opa notifies press authorities mary well after the chairman of tropika lied to his shareholders that had wired a whole 2000 lets just say there was credibility gap. and when deadline passed for second following nonappearance first 2000... has contaced in dominica stock exchange vancouver newspapers toronto. is way not recommended. now getting ocmplaints nonpayment by players withdrawals april so their statements they were current then false. then. like 1924 how many numbers are on your keyboard opa mary or is tropika selling them off key by to raise operating 1925 you are correct postbuster 3 the 2 supposed winners were same poster. i would bust them as bogus advertising spam but then and opa mary be orphaned down below. i'd rather let tropika embarassed. pb 1927 washington post deep throat ......u owe a warning busted sign at the afore-mentioned posts dont bury it.....sincerely bernstien 1928 lucky 7 winnereverytime are the same person a postbuster at least their ip's exactly same. oh and that 3 5 day payment thing is big laugh dead giveaway . even when tropika was paying they didn't pay in such short period of time. no wonder stock .05 canadian casinos broke. for good go to www.stockhouse.com read posts by shareholders. get really indignant steve adkins facts. honestly between stockholders company i m not sure who more stupid. but understand why these own worth cents. you owe me money. going 1929 i'm having payment problems but they seem to want solve them dave a have been responding all my email i not yet paid 1000 owe me and it is perfectly clear that another was credited credit card or not. claim the were suppose send in mail got mixed up are sending again. since promptly more less courteous fashion willing give this casino chance for now. should take warnings very seriously know both costa rica internet inside out will cause some real damage if start finding excuses pay me. 1932 i have the same problem kelly play online from outside us and as a result haven't played for about 2 half months.i am currently investigating use of following paysites will be happy to keep you informed. infinia card firepay.com paypal.com 1933 non usa grinder well as a uk person i know exactly what u mean. have been playing online casinos for little while now. this is big problem if deposit 50 and lose it are 35 down. then win the back your credit card credited current rate but its lot lower so lets say 28. had refunds on same day deposits of around 1000 down upto 100. only just started to when you start they send bank draft forget wiring - too expensive . cash cheque will often charge 20 bad conversion rate. bottom line at an casino breakeven need get bankroll 1050. anything greater than 1050 white-meat. best bet in go no exchnage rates nothing win. hope that helps litte. 1934 good hands grinder i played badly at first and was down 2000 with casino-on-net. my game sharpened am up 2000. they are payers. live in the uk surprised when cheque arrived 14 days. service. 1935 stanley acropolis factor x my recent experience their 3-d casino is interesting. they deal 2 decks of a 6-deck shoe. finding information on games and how handle payouts game hide-and-seek. unable to open an account with credit card though i have never had any problem this visa other gambling vendor. recently opened casino-on-net same no problems. by the way offers redraws split aces. would not recommend at time. so far has been fair only tried them for 3 weeks. 1936 internet deck of cards grinder something worth pointing out that may be obvious to all us black jack almost always deal completely random each hand. therefore counting is a waste time effort. there generally no concept 6 game. anyone know any shuffled and dealt shoe games 1937 yes factor x stanley acropolis deals 2 decks out of 6 but i had difficulties trying to open account. dr. ho a live 8-deck shoe was again unable an their customer service is horrible- days get first e-mail response. no telephone support for either. 1938 acropolis bob fisher don't use credit card to open account. paypal as they give a 5 bonus for doing so. this offer may expire 5-31-01. if you have account get one. take cards and bank withdrawals. gives 30 on initial deposits so be moot you. 1 000 limit . redemptions are only allowed mondays fee. rules bj ac with resplit including aces no mid shoe entry. can spread from hand 2 midshoe though. exit is 0.1 cashback. bet limits 5-100. 1939 jesus no bob john may i have repeatedly tried to open an account with paypal and they rejected my card for good reason. charged multiple one pound transactions froze ten days while dropped off. can't gamble online this is happening-that seriously affects income. bank has been fucking useless trying sort out so i've idea why occurs but its probably connected the number of make online-i doubt a problem encountered alone. if you do try get caveat emptor above all don't fill up form more than once when giving your credit details. recommend anybody account-the experience utterly hellish dampened interest in gambling. 1942 casino-on-net david matthews is the fifth largest internet advertiser behind ebay amazon nextcard and one of online dating services. con spends about 8 million a month . their financial resources are vast reputation way too valuable for them to screw around. bj21.com has banner at top many these pages. we also get flat fee each new subscriber so i have an interest in telling you this information. having said that believe they trustworthy from bottom nice 20 bonus incentive. 1943 almost always mott do you have evidence of internet casinos dealing random cards from a full stack if so how did achieve this where is the proof 1944 because you posted this baloney.... gnossos i promise to not let a month go by without reminding everyone play at fairplay jetset astrobet and the rest of tropika liars. 1945 roflmao nt none needed deep throat 1947 no extra step factor x so far i have avoided depositing through any other means than by credit card. never tried paypal. my attempt to deposit with acropolis failed and was not interested in jumping more hoops order do so. their offer is a good one. casino manager sent me form letter about how which saw countless times before from customer service. am surprised that he did take the time add personal message since make substantial deposit. these on-line casinos basically suck they little overhead compared land-based casino. worry comping rfb. therefore are able give away terms of bonuses. but way handle customers transactions prehistoric. almost all only e-mail support very rarely can one get timely payout. asked for payout u.s virgin islands racebook check mailbox florida 3 days. casino-on-net states bank drafts 27 35 days arrive. better if jump too many play. move on. 1948 aloha winner finally paid ug still snotty about it nt opa mary 1949 tropika aloha details opa mary email between steve adkins of and john ashbee tropika...email from to authorities ...reprint rgtonline article about the unpaid unified gaming progressive winner. now paid. finally. http www.onlineplayersassociation.com 1950 a big thanks... john may since i had similar problems with acropolis and am relieved to know it was not some kind of personal vendetta or down my own stupidity somehow. the problem is part large reputable chain-they'd never deliberately cheat anyone that i'm certain. and-customer service wise-they are poor but no worse when comes hoop-jumping than any other i've come across. have you suggestions perhaps looking in wrong places. 1952 unrealistic et fan if a casino offers promotion that is too good to be true an obvious mistake like 10 on whatever amount you want deposit 20k or more with minimal play requirements then it exceed the casinos expectation by large rather than bitch and turn your very action into rogue no casino. are assuming everybody who gambles online reads these boards. probably less half do. any yo-yo 5 calculator can figure out house edge would have outrageous cover bonus deposit. why such person requirement what logic it's silly expect them think might not pay unless i put some kind of act average capable entertaining idea going in first place. call mistake. much cynical view. event unlikely occur typical depositor. business sense simple human decency requires establishments live up published terms their own promotions. etf 1953 overplaying requirements john may why would such a person play more than the requirement what be logic it's silly to expect them think casino might not pay unless i put on some kind of act its simply business. that by playing minimum hold up neon sign saying bonus hustler . it is often worth few hundred extra dollars in expected value relative thousands buy little goodwill. increases your chances hearing about select member promotions being treated like vip invaluable when dealing with mundane transaction problems and bounced way terrestrial casinos bounce people ie without confiscation winnings but barring from further play. tend concentrate blue-chip casinos. these comments appropriate for ropey outfits discussed here. 1954 1 deck casinos olivier some www.bossmedia.se have game. for example http www.pharaohscasino.com or www.fivestarcasino.com www.metrocasino.com www.sunsetcasino.com download and play free off line note you can register a false email because id key is always support all capitals hit bj realistic. 50 see details in help single player blackjack game rules find word. 1955 moving on factor x i am basically a sea-based and land-based player. also wager parimutuels via telephone or internet. my experience with on-line casinos is limited. fearful of losing deposits not retrieving winnings bonuses.it appears to be minefield out there. but from what have seen the future this new avenue gambling will bright one. as time marches there fewer crooked casinos. been impressed by some graphics at these right now much in dark anyone else. if knows anything let me know. especially interested fair objective casino review sites. believe come across one never quite sure. 1956 nationwide visa card in uk don't charge commission nt sirius 1957 double dealing i-net software with screen shots arden for a over month i have been playing at casinos. the first day logged onto an site found them multi-deck video poker. was under impression that it deck e-mails convinced me 4 decks or 6 beeing used. could taken each of these sites couple hundred week long time. instead went large percentage wins 5 to 8 times my buyin . this quickly got their attention caused shut down all casinos so. they seem open again. not played games. if you play there please let know what think new put up report following url http casinos-that-pay.com i-net_web_pages double_dealing_i-net_softw.htm updates will be added message board casinos-that-pay.com. feel free ad your comments board. good luck 1958 wheres cindy he's talking to factor x not y nt - 1959 i notice that jerry's sportsbook has refused to pay you anon314 perhaps should list them on casinos-that-dont-pay.com what is their excuse obviously weren't cheating or using a robot. nice. i've even had money at some of these places and didn't check out the vp closely. 1960 transnet casino--cheaters tom i bought in for 500 and got the 200 bonus. you have to play through it five times cash out. played 10 per hand lost all 70 units after playing 173 hands. was flat betting entire time at hand. a lot of internet bj but this is first feel may been cheated. anyone out there heard casino be cautious unless know ok. would like hear from who has there. 1961 it can happen t i have had a similar run at another casino. but my was fortunately in the other direction. 60 units up after about 200 hands. these runs do not very often if you're playing regular is going to you sooner or later. can't comment on casino question as i've never played there. 1962 two decks good multiplication it seems to me that would be for the short term and even a lesser degree long term. pairs flushes more common with multiple but straights not be. since most of return say jacks or better are concentrated in pair-like returns high pair trips full house quads has player. i doubt make pay over 100 might. any less lazy programmers out there wonder what five deuces game... m. 1963 you were cheated bob fisher the standard deviation for 173 hands is about 14. lost 70. this puts z-statistic at -5. an event so rare it off tables in most statistics book. 1972 problems david matthews it looks as though the posts and pervious profiles disappeard. i don't know if this is a bug or due to somebody's shenanigans. fortunately we have all backep up so can get back on board tomorrow. odd. 1974 re passwords cyrus what am i supposed to do with the david get don't match although enter same new password in both fields. 1978 re won't take my profile curious amateur i've several times since last night attempted to enter a profile. it never shows up in the profiles list. there doesn't seem be commit button other than edit which is little strange. i'm on dsl line with sonicwall soho2 firewall appliance between me and network. might that reason 1979 re finally nt curious amateur 1980 re less than that caruso on their website in the terms and conditions they state initial 100 bonus must be wagered four times before cash-in now go to banking section scroll down note total amount account exceed original by i wonder which actual rule is... wager is link found page ...must greater than... version buried way page. bloody crooks. 1982 re good hands caruso how did you sharpen your play i'm assuming not talking about counting. 1985 odd software jandor when i accessed this page today saw all the posts. read each one. now look at see zero posts and a message that no messages matched your search criteria please try again.... what is going on 1986 bugs david matthews there are some which i am trying to figure out. this is why we only change one low-traffic board rather than the whole site and see what happens. - 1997 another test nt parker 1998 i get it parker one has to actually post something before the profile is accepted and listed on profiles page. okay. do like feature that automatically returns message board after posting. spell checker cool too. now if people will just use it. 1999 only winners.com anon32 has anyone tried this casino 2004 john kelly 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software spill checker is grate 2026 opa sez charge back on tropika mary dominican gaming authorities fail to respond complaints www.rgtonline.com steve rants channel 3 www.casinogazette.com list of tropika's lies www.onlineplayersassociation.com 2027 all anti-tropika the time. gnossos gee my last listing of tropika horrors got lost in shuffle so.... lest some innocent newbie get suckered by their advertising and false posting.... 1. has stiffed a large number players dating back to december 2000 2. repeatedly lied opa about it's financial situation other matters. 3. if you send money may as well be flushing it down toilet. reminds me ass-trobet 4. here are few wonderful sites fairplay generally known unfairplay jetset astrobet bullsandbears orientexpress. i'd continue but i'm getting nauseous. 2028 charge back gnossos mary you mean do a credit card that won't help me unfortunately. they did refund my deposits. it's the 7k in winnings haven't delivered on for last 6 months. 2030 little late for that now kathleen turner overdrive isn't there some type of time limit on this besides as gnossos stated most players have already received their deposits back. it's the winnings we want. tropika pay us kto 2031 what the heck happened real ky hick stanford david i hadn't checked this board in a few days. did something happen regards to tropika fiasco 2032 anon314 kathleen turner overdrive was joking--at least i think so - speaking of jokes--how about that tropika. kto 2034 user profiles cyrus i can view the only of those posters who have a post up. why 2035 software david matthews that's the way waorks it appears. once we have this up on all pages however should be fine because if anyone has a post any board anywhere bj21 his or her profile show. i think... - 2038 netcasinos brenda w i too was skeptical about these online places. play at casino-on-net around 2000 down overall. this has recently changed and am up 2000. do prefer to a proper casino just like the atmosphere. with casinos deck is shuffled after each round which not like. bottom line glad online. but probably going use now. because of atmosphere it all. 2039 i-net bj grinder from my experience you might as well play at home on the computer and save your money. it's a losing game with bad rules. much worse although perhaps they have gotten better then casino. i completely trust rng are using but typically can't double when want. plus - enjoy atmosphere in live an area few casinos hold out every so often rather go on-line. now texas hold'm is totally different story. 2048 there have been recent victims opa mary is getting complaints from folks making withdrawals in april now and also some are not their deposit credited back to cards. so for all the tropika investors who want think it's ok just pay winnings at this point plain keeping money period. 2049 how can you cheat software opa mary what do mean manipulate the rules they follow all casino makes and enforces still get stiffed. players change can't. 2050 by cheats this particular... caruso ...shill is refering to people who are not brain-dead zombies can spot good deals which give them an edge if sensibly played and subsequently take advantage. just a typical double standard - here's great deal but only hopelessly incapable of profitting from it have . 2051 whoops this was intended... caruso ...as a reply to how can you cheat software posted by opa mary below. 2053 looking for let it ride jay i've played on-net enterbet with predictable results playing bj streaks up and down . but a game i love to play is haven't found an onine casino that offers yet. does anyone at online this thanks the info. 2054 don't play but... anon32 you will find it at all realtimegaming rtg sites. clubmardigrascasino.com has 1 mins. regards forensic 2055 on-line casino reviews factor x are there any good sites for relatively objective almost every site that i have come across appears to be nothing more than an advertising shilling their clients. www.gamemasteronline.com the best seen so far. suggestions 2056 stanley acropolis casino factor x had problems when i first attempted to open an account. they would not accept a credit card that successfully used at other on-line casinos. eventually opened acct with another card. offer generous 30 bonus for deposits of up 1000 dollars. promos after opening account are sparse. deal 6 deck game and reshuffle 2 decks dealt. bet range is 5 100 per hand two hands may be played once. appears fair. presently my fav bj. anyone know any games were shoe dealt into 2057 videopoker locutus do anyone know if there is a netcasino that offer with progressive jackpot 2058 http www.xodds.com pic guido farrugia hi guys if you are looking for bets on the financial markets 2059 basically they are all the same . .. grinder i believe most have software. suggest find free game area and if you like interface go there. also look for bonus money. 2060 are online casinos fair randy i was thinking about trying an casino. have you found the software to be just as real thing 2061 reply scarce try www.themoneytour.com or www.thewizardofodds.com casino reviews . both have a lot of personal from people who actually put money in and for the most part got back. ps no all online software is not created equal. business practices also vary widely pseudo-legitimate to outright theft. 2062 no.. scarce ..but don't stop let that you from exploiting bonus's anyway .. 2063 without a doubt grinder what casino would be stupid enough to cheat. they are making so much money being fair is totally silly. the rng's in place make cards more random then live play. only thing bad about online gambling that rules poor and it's way easy lose little lot of times rather losing every often. as far 2064 who are the outright theft . grinder although i suppose that there some real small casinos. however if a person does any amount of checking he can find plenty good ones. 2066 some of them are were crooked john may ...and many more will rip you off through sheer stupidity rather than actual malice. you'll get the money back but lose out on interest possibly currency fluctuation and hair in process. i agree with grinder that its irrational for a casino to cheat suspect we dealing an animal... 2067 william hill john may deals 3 of 8. not a great game obviously. you can backcount at the multiplayer however and also sit out hands. personally i think its probably best to forget about counting online focus on bonuses rebates. returns from are just in same ballpark. 2068 i agree factor x with you john. am always looking for that slight edge even if it only .01 . the bonuses and counting which is very slim. most of profit in like say. 2069 thanks nt factor x 2070 see tropika... scarce ...under blatant theft not only keeping winnings but also it appears deposits. i've had the misfortune of playing at a few places who subsequently went out business even as they assured me my and deposit would be returned. if you play any amount time will run into these type situations. it's one big reason why more people do online. lot gamboolers stick with rather than shop around. 2071 well i've played at over 25 off shore books grinder and have never had a problem. although i'm in out normally less then few weeks. only there to get the bonus play full 101 pay vid poker. hold'm houses for year with zero problems. as far tropika it seems were problems but opa has looked into matter i accepted mr ashbee's assurances that our players will be paid within reasonable time he is aware of long history dispute position should not settled. therefore urge members remain calm patient we work this solution through everyone's benefit if you want contact problem here an e-mail address briancul intekom.co.za 2072 on the subject of... bonus bouncer aforementioned bonuses following group of identical casinos - treasure zap glamour elegance fantasy ... and one or two others offer pleasant little start-up but i won from them have heard nothing yet. has anyone any experience 2074 oh really scarce look at the onlineplayersassociation.com or casinomeister.com and you'll see a much different picture. negotiations fell through tropika group continues to steal not pay winners. if you've played 25 places had no problems congratulations. i'm up around 400 new crop each week. 2075 i only play the ones in casino player grinder maybe that is difference. i'm just lucky or not greedy. get take bonus vid poker exactly right amount of hands to back and out. it's bad others are having problems. two times did have a problem but got ahold people talked them adult adult. know many problems start screaming name calling which stupidest thing do. swear dumb sometimes. they don't their money calling. yea that'll faster lol 2079 internet casinos that deal bob fisher in addition to stanleyacropolis global-player unified gaming and boss media multi-player games also give penetration. typically deals 2.5-3 decks the 6 deck game 1.5 4 hands 2. sites 2.5-4 about 2 8. you may backcount at games. others are no mid shoe entry. longer allows exit. 2080 good point grinder nt factor x 2081 silly typo. you left out no in the title. nt et fan blame it on line noise. 2082 casino on net factor x my first on-line casino. withdrawal. received check for 1500 dollars last week which consisted of bonuses winnings. took 12 days to arrive in florida. cleared overnight. good experience. this will provide a cushion when i am eventually burned by less trustworthy outfit. 2083 true but.. scarce ..you might also have to deal with golden palace galaxiworld zantana and the more obnoxious unified gaming sites. casino player 'stamp of approval' is little than proof that these places sufficient resources for such ads. but as things go it's a start. 2085 stanley acropolis - bj pays 2 to 1 factor x on june 21 this casino offers all blackjacks. two decks dealt from 6 deck shoe. be careful of placing large bets around the time that shoe is reshuffled- bet placed and then reshuffles deals instantly- cannot retrieved- once in betting circle it retrieved -the omly way get your back move another table. offer too good true. i have played here feel game fair. but who knows for sure. overall has net reputation 2086 fairplay steelers fan has now owed me money 2100 for over seven months. they used to respond my emails with excuses as why the was delayed but simply don't any of i guess ran out lies tell . avoid them like plague. steelersfan 2087 reshuffle john may it doesn't matter whether the shoe is reshuffled it'll be a rare situation when you do not have an edge with 2 to 1 bj penetration that shallow. conventional wisdom its waste of time counting such edge-and crucial. 6 dealt does help much anyway. serious players won't even make marginal splits because poor use though play higher ev. 2088 agree with scarce gnossos. i'm glad it's working out for you grinder but i won't be surprised to hear about a problem in the near future either. some tropika sites had opa seal of approval when troubles began last december. am still owed 7k by one them jetset. dunes was considered top-notch sportsbook year complete listing on donbest. waiting 700 withdrawal from january. sportbet.com is unified gaming site generally good rep. it took sportbet 6 weeks find bank wire that sent them. probably made 30 phone calls and my own damaging relations because couldn't get their costa rican money. btw never raised voice. gnossos 2089 factor x email me please. important spike when you have a chance would thank 2090 2 to 1 or for - big difference grinder vc 2095 2 to 1 nt bob fisher 2100 is it ok to play at golden palace now chillywilly they seem have good bonus offers. but i'm reluctant there because of what happened in the past. maybe just went after blantant hunters. i could easily cover my tracks. chilly 2101 i feel safe there kathleen turner overdrive others may not. granted it's probably a slight risk but many of these places are days so don't see them as being too much different than other joints. i'll takes my chances. kto 2102 2 caruso this must represent something like a edge off the top of my head on checking out offer their website they'll add bonus - ie. extra half-bet for each bj next day. how can they do if so doing will effectively put them business does indeed seem too good to be true enough big players take on. course individuals may still lose but as body... why would such deal house-savers aren't built into software eg. no ace receive ten or vice versa are there bone-heads that play badly negate 2103 this is a professional organization john may if they lose few million dollars as was typical with the terrestrial wong alerts in states i doubt it would seriously impact whole organization. company has significant bricks-and-mortar presence and can afford loss leaders. but will dollars. most players are going to be fairly cautious since award of bonus dependent on casino not automatic. however past experience shown pay out. certainly won't use non-random dealing. that type thing restricted cowboy turnkey operators. 2104 i can think of a few problems gnossos. for one thing imagine them calling off the promo after hours if they get true onslaught players. trouble is how will we know do cancel it in middle be there merrily firing away into -0.4 game and not realizing that no bonuses forthcoming bj's cancellation hour. stanley has good rep. tropika had an excellent rep too at time offered their too-good-to-be-true last november december. then suddenly looked any way possible to out paying winnings. was victim more creative efforts. because played craps 2 days daily completed took all my winnings claiming cash completely before allowed play craps. this fairplay astrobet. don't underestimate lengths some these places go avoid big hit. gnossos 2105 you just to have factor it into your betting john may in estimated probability of them not paying out and resize optimal bets accordingly. but seriously i can't imagine they would do this. the british tabloid press crucify if ripped large numbers players off this manner. they'd lose several million negative publicity from their terrestrial operations at very least. rule possibility gaming board lean on either-they confiscated licensces past for lesser offences. 2106 let's keep quite.... anon32 or they might read the board and yank promo before it is launched. can you use 30 bonus for this deal too 2107 does club dice pay kathleen turner overdrive i just cashed out a winner there for the first time. do they hand over dough kicking and screaming or sports about it send my money without me having to beg. kto 2108 loss limiters bob fisher you ask a good question and i have thought of many ways they can legally ethically limit their losses. first there is 2x 100 limit. this will discourage the most greedy players like destroyer who require at least 1 000 to even bother with it. change rules any time if notify you. do in 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god . can't say sure but think they're just albeit wild disagreeable ones. imagine software is fixed from microgaming's side. what individual casinos do it hand... was 25 225 which painful feel you. btw gave freebie birthday unexpected heartening really indicative questionable outfit. 2115 casinoextreme.com anon32 are they still in business 2117 microgaming b.j. player it sounds like you went through a string of bad luck. i've played on many times although i haven't always won don't feel been cheated. trust them more than most. maybe will have better luck next time. 2118 it's amazing what we say when win nt anon32 2119 not as long mark francis felon is head of security online gambler telemarketing fraud. 'nuff said. 2121 yeah scarce ..at least they were last week. 2122 they do but... scarce ..notice the wagering requirements. if you ask for 50 bonus must wager at least 750 so buying in or 100 whatever is not such a great idea. better to go 20 offer and deposit 3 times ie 500 equals 1800 minimum withdrawal . 2123 they were upgrading their site... anon32 nice of them to let us know. have been down for a couple days and not anwering emails. 2124 casino extreme stole 1900 from me... captain jack i want everyone to know that do believe is a crooked casino. they are on opa's recommended list...however have had an ongoing incident with them for over 6 weeks now and not received any resolution or even professional reply my e-mail inquiries. here the facts... - balance after 1500 deposit subsequent 400 win. already wagered more than 12000 intended wager more. this case of bonus abuse. few days later logged in find account at 1. e-mailed support...no response. cashier...no every address could their website...no would called...but don't list contact phone numbers. finally 2 no response contacted opa 793 filed complaint. replied were going ask rtg about it. that's last i've heard. those you who members visit website might notice something strange extreme's entry recommendation list...it has referral link. means gets kickback person send extreme...in fact according get 50 all losses player accrues . be why never posted complaint casinomeister.com also gone silent me replying e-mails. shill i'm make accusation...but so far actions done nothing disprove that. requested detailed activities account. only ever into one ip address...so if claim played down 1 will provide date time stamp. long when dealing some these casinos however constant e-mails downright shady. reputable name bj21 other gaming forums. disputes online past rank guys right up there tropika terms dodging players. strongly warn against risking your money extreme. 2125 opa - conflict factor x the advertises this casino quite extensively.unfortunately is not a pure watchdog organization since they derive good part of their income from casinos with which are to arbitrate disputes. receive money both ends- players and casinos. appears be best lot saying much during these early years on-line gaming. exists because there no world government or u.s watchdog. i have thought about playing extreme but you made me reconsider. 2126 transformation factor x a snake bites and proves he is snake. why assume later that dove 2127 why isn't the opa doing anything kathleen turner overdrive boy i thought was giving extreme a pass on their slow service and inablilty to answer emails but this takes cake. aren't you about these jokers it's one thing not whole new ball game when someone's account drops from 1900.oo 1.00 captain jack should at least have some type of issue. kto 2128 seeking opinions mg rtg ug buridan i was trying different online casinos for the last week and a half mostly hitting them bonuses getting feel of major software platforms used this is my first experience with net gambling . up to date played in microgaming capthook orbital englishharbour oldsamurai cleopatra inetbet lost terribly mardigras enterbet gamblerspalace various casino-on-net roman casinovr dinky but good run cards none experiences out ordinary except terrible at inetbet. overall it appeared me that produces strange hands more often ever saw life - 7-card 20 losing dealer's 5 card 21 other oddities nature. what's established about these houses their game really random. can endusers modify benefit. any references links will be appreciated. 2129 i hear you.. anon32 after numerous attempts to collect my winnings have gotten no where. although had a lot of broken promises ie. the checks in mail this was 4 weeks ago. when thought they closed shop on me contacted one online forums and return emailed them. then got another response from extreme saying would receive shortly as were mailed 5th june. support is great before you make depsoit that it goes hell. 2130 rtg casinos are going bust sirius i don't see many of them surviving. most already taking an eternity to pay. the generous bonuses killing them. can't think casino that hasn't had problems with payouts. this includes all relatively new ones advertise everywhere. wonder how much charge license their software. it's strange a lot slow paying out. can only assume they low on cash. random microgaming has one best bj odds 99.87 return in theory although people game is may be do fact use single deck and other games multiple decks . i've done well microgaming. ug slight player edge but not really significantly different now mg also have payment apart from tropika pay out no problems. i'd play at cryptologic starnet or whatever call themselves payouts these two companies. bad blackjack rules quite fun play. very fast too. avoid rigged casinos. bar was time might still ezecash sites rigged. am suspicious roman casino's when complained seemed take it seriously next played couldn't lose bj. didn't for long though. just recovered my previous losses. before kept losing dealer got 21 whenever 20 win few row pattern returned. same thing happened second playing session. after seemingly reversed switch because won several hands even though weren't particularly good cards. casinovr pretty too if you mind software cashing procedure. never sure totally honest cards were times played. 2131 follow-up opa... captain jack my post was reposted on casinomeister.com and has drawn the wrath of steve adkins who claims i have damaged integrity opa spread lies about their use affiliate links or tracking codes as he called them . rather than battle in a public forum i've e-mailed him hope to discuss this with civil manner. i'll let you all know what becomes it. imho don't give hoot if uses not...it doesn't change fact that i'm still out 1900 no explanation. 2132 likes and dislikes factor x like casino-on-net paid me big quick stanley acropolis global player dislike all microgaming sites especially captain cooks suspicious grand banks i believe real time gaming -dealer hits soft 17 2134 opa b.j. player who cares if you pissed him off. the s.o.b. has a job to do and that is help get your money don't let up on them good luck with collecting money. 2135 nice review caruso is the microgaming edge only .13 i thought .2 was nearer mark. given that a 10 bet will receive one cent comp in many of casinos reduces to .013 . keep an eye on promos... had similar feeling about roman but they paid me so i'm not grumbling. 2136 opa and affiliate links... captain jack i've recently exchanged a volley of e-mails with steve adkins have come to the conclusion that my remarks regarding possible kickbacks from casinos are over top unnecessary inflammatory. has assured me would never do such thing...and if there is one thing for certain about adkins...he's up-front everything. i'm not making this retractment because blasted in public forum or an effort get re-open complaint against casino extreme. i merely want be clear their operation make any insinuations they possibly pockets end all real point initial e-mail still out 1900 at extreme...with no acceptable explanation where money is. 2137 book by bill haywood onedeck his beat web casinos is excellent. i have followed advice and never had any problems of lockouts or denials although been stiffed fairplaycasino casinooldglory both tropika casinos. i'm still waiting for winings in december. 2138 opa is a volunteer organization and we have lives ok mary guess what your complaint not the only one in line i'm getting pretty pissed at people expect for 25. 2139 opa is not a collection agency and it anybody's job mary who cares if you pissed him off. the s.o.b. has to do that help get your money don't let up on them good luck with collecting money. why join igi at 1 300 year they are professionals in nevada. or igc. 2140 ad...... have links list of casinos not to play at............ ardenwinn at casinos-that-pay.com good luck arden 2141 then don't charge a fee... caruso ...in exchange for which it would seem people expect service along the lines described. or up your fee if you think it's inadequate and provide that service. spokespeople from organizations who post on public forums they're getting pissed off aren't going to help perceived integrity of organization they represent. oh ddoonn'tt sshhoouutt 2143 i received payment from extreme today 5weeks nt anon32 2144 crumb eaters factor x sorry mary it is not just 25 dollars. the total money taken in from opa and casinos. i am sure casinos pay more therefore they receive better treatment. do criticize poor lowly player who fighting for crumbs on internet. hope you are related to that other mean marie once said let them eat cake . gives us a little than crumbs. would please how about benefit of doubt 2145 your tone is antagonistic... john may ...and you are making me very angry. if site plays consumer advocate and takes backhanders from crooked casinos what the hell do expect have any idea of concept customer service comments not gone unnoticed. 2146 english harbour group 20 wire bonus buridan has anybody tried the offered by casinos on transfers as far i understand they allow up to 5000 wired in any given month and only require deposit playthrough make eligible for withdrawal. this sounds a very generous promotion basically even if you play through 10000 instead of 6000 playing 400 hands at 25 then your standard deviation is going be sqrt 1.1 550 so guarantee free money unless go two sd down which does not happen that often . foolish their part. one can paigow minimize variance though 2.5 house edge will cut somewhat into returns it difficult from us foreign account did try thanks 2147 hey mary get a grip kathleen turner overdrive i don't have current complaint with extreme but i've had problems them in the past now resolved they were that player should never an opa casino. others them. there are posts all over gd internet about this site and you damn well know it. cj has big problem yet remains approved casino it reminds me of pinnace peckerhead joe from pinnace. players complaining when was still around steve got nasty because complained openly. made out like well. we better now--don't sorry just understand why is what respect done. really give sh t if volunteer organization. promotes itself as being organization for speaking up seems obvious isn't doing anything so come here huffy. morongamblers.com. problem. your defensive stance says lot how feels extreme. repeat giving group pass want to address question fine. welcome response. re going testy then go away. don need nor put bs here. 2149 blah blah...answer the f cking question mary another anon why won't opa do anything for cap'n jack 2150 casinos pay 50 for membership opa mary a. doesn't get referral or kickback money member casinos. whole dollars. wow. b. you guys don't know what's going on behind the scenes with complaints but expect 24 hour turnaround from unpaid volunteers c. and post about not doing anything when can't even be bothered to email ask look at posts casinomeister listing complaints. yes i am defensive. spend time every day research trying suss out crooked operators before they have a chance steal lot of money. all allegations here having so much are unfounded unfair. least screws up admits it re pinnace . do see various supposed regulatory agencies that more professional organizations ultimately what done only none posters offered any help nor posted www.casinomeister.com under same names one assumes posting attacks check facts. now i'm nice if members problems casino extreme we encourage file an complaint can keep track them resolved. kvetching boards makes difficult work also bad ones as point some justification questionable player behavior. give us shot first strengthens our case later necessary. 2151 read jack's apology opa mary was working on cap'n complaint before he posted here. just didn't bother to ask. so how about a round of apologies from everybody quick accuse steve and other volunteers for doing nothing or better still why not share your vaunted wisdom experience with fellow members would you rather spend time shooting players in the players' organization back 2152 in the future anyone who pays opa a penny is out of their mind... samo666 ...and deserves wretched treatment which they will undoubtedly receive. i never heard before. after reading posts from mary have anything to do with them. she's honest and open about her hatred customers intention providing poor customer service future. -why should people had email re captain jack's situation when you could stated what was doing case your own emails instead whining sniveling being overworked . clearly amount money receives both players casinos something she has no respect for. this rep 2153 people are overreacting anon314 the opa is main protection online gamblers have. they service a lot of people. if anyone going to put some decent money into casinos i would suggest first join opa. you don't want how lobby for your money. casio extreme does not even have phone number and can easily block all e-mails. 2154 don't send a deposit to casino which doesn't have phone number. samo666 now please me 25. people are not overreacting - reacting reasonably opa mary's messages. opa's customer service volunteer even use real name does this give you hint . is way lobby for money as captain jack's example clearly shows waste get false sense of security and experience further frustration well insults when one attempts help. 2155 the opa has a history anon314 of helping people. they have lobbied for several people i know. many tasks and some problems are not resolved in timely manner. will assume casinos crooked give them time to respond. especially if do phone number. mary being reasonable. two posts put together out frustration kill her credibility with me. who read my know that often talk about pay. think it is interests so. however received relatively large payment from casino extreme. believe me lack number made nervous. friend had gotten paid before sent money. were going stiff someone would stiffed problem capt. jack probably mistake somewhere down line. on other hand you never when these places run so knows. but just zapping 1 900 someone's account be tactic last resort. could tell check mail months. besides join get bonus offers more than pay 25. 2156 follow up progress being made... captain jack i really didn't expect that this would create much of a firestorm...however not surprisingly some is now made in my case. i'm probably at liberty to discuss it fully public forum. the innate problem with internet forums over-reaction often occurs. over-reacted steve opa mary and others here are over-reacting. posted retraction because was only fair thing do. has as result mended things between i. casino extreme contends played out 1900 game have never any rtg or land-based casino. furthermore they contend higher betting level than ever do online. anyone who knows me setting play such built-in house edge...bonus no bonus. we trying prove wasn't phantom session. notice say . lawless world like online casinos you need all help can get. if willing use whatever influence player...you keep them on your side. going ballistic he did tropika no. however professional arbitrator wouldn't either. expected act collection agency pay percentage winnings when were able collect for me. appreciate everyone supported via e-mail...i encourage investigate situation yourself. don't base opinions one heated thread. besides calming presence compared hurricane blow through should adkins start reading board. trust 2157 i am not a customer service rep opa mary we don't have any. post here to inform players about rogue casinos. i'm an member and volunteer researcher give rats behind marketing. 2158 jack i am investigating... opa mary can you give me some links to of your posts about game play. want establish that are not a roulette player. note knew already since recognized name as poster here. it will save time if have theoretical brilliant writings wave around. don't think over-reacted by the way. 2159 opa may not be perfect but james it is far better than any other alternative venue for dispute resolution with online casinos. prior to the best avenue was probably gambling grumbles at gambling.com which has a clear conflict of interest although does often get results. igc and regulatory agencies have proven totally worthless. some like believe internet dangerous place. if you expect an insurance policy losses incurred due casino incompetence or malfeasance should paying one hell lot more 25 year. want team smiling professional customer care representatives your beck call 24 7 also part only organization players independent representing player interests then no alternative. that made up volunteers who spend effort dealing demanding unresponsive casinos rudeness dishonesty. i certainly don't job did take doubt dues they collect would cover my aggravation. regarding mary's lack real name how many posters on here use names samo666 steve adkins president his took hiatus from in its early months after receiving several credible death threats. mary post her home address as well 2160 opa b.j. player quit crying and help the guy out 2161 overreacting b.j. player i don't think so. being screwed out of 1900.00 and getting pissed about it while the opa sits on their ass isn't overreacting. 2162 e-mail me... captain jack most of my posts are on green chip...i can forward some to you via e-mail. 2163 pwc investigating tropika wants player complaints opa mary after contact price waterhouse coopers more informaiton from players about their problems. details at www.casinomeister.com forum under the announcements section. 2164 i agree with mary gnossos think the opa is doing a super job representing players. say this despite fact that neither of 2 complaints filed vs tropika course resulted in any money coming my way. how much would rest you be willing to put up for hire some full-time advocates not i'm guessing. few weeks there was an annoying post here about being tool casinos. if were steve or fuse running short too. 2165 i don't see the opa as a collection agencey kathleen turner overdrive understand things can not be taken care of over night. also that only do so much. believe has done great job and continues to so. but get little weary player's being pounced on when they dare mention shoddy treatment from an approved casino. think really want us file complaints casino doesn't answer emails for 4 or 5 days takes two weeks too long deliever check we usuually resolve these ourselves why waste opa's time. have bigger fish fry tropika etc. whole point this thread is there are problems with those hit boards board tends testy. how principles would feel way players frustrated no one seems answering their concerns. that's enough topic. bottom line does what it set out do. 25 member bargain. flipside casinos should held higher standard than other casinos. 2166 in a related issue tropika stock bargain at 0.04can nt anon314 2167 microgaming site - beware factor x the last mg i played had to play 3000 dollars receive 250 dollars. flat betted 300 hands and ended up -45 units. this is in keeping with other sites have on including following english harbour captain cooks king solomons. all 3 cleaned my whistle. perfect basic strategy for these particular games where house has 0.13 advantage. a while then at stanley acropolis you will see completely different flow cards granted sa 6 deck show still difference amazing. 2168 your not supposed to post these deals sirius it's funny how all the best are never mentioned on any of popular 'promo' sites. if everyone tried them they'd soon put an end this deal has been going for a couple years though with group casinos. 2169 perfect strategy play computer software factor x i am interested in locating for basic and count - net use only. if anyone knows who provides reliable inexpensive actual decisons would appreciate finding out. 2170 excellent post nt gnossos 2171 has any ever made a long term profit of net casino blackjack nt ace_madfella 2172 that is a lie john may a. opa doesn't get referral or kickback money for member casinos. casinos pay 50 whole dollars. wow. you of the losses players sent to advertise. pretend otherwise deception ms duplicity. 2173 radio advertising factor x when steve does ads for casinos like casino towers on his show are these done free or is there a fee paid to someone some organization services rendered 2174 blackjack subsets nt bob fisher 2175 online reviews onedeck i think that michael schackelford sp at www.thewizardofodds.com gives honest reviews. his web site has been revised so you have to get the through two links. first gambling then casino 2176 i received payment also onedeck after many unanswered emails and a bunch of denials without giving the reason finally check month later. this experience has taught me never to play at casino that does not have phone number. sending getting no answer is just too frustrating. 2177 sigh no we do not get of players losses opa mary there is charge or kickback for being an member casino other than the 50.00 membership fee. radio spots they go to kitty and pay long distance phone calls biggest expense made on players' bhealf show expenses. also have attorney's fees that been used primarily in going after tropika gamblingsoftware.com golden palace. i myself received threats posting information about ownership. receive money pay. you don't believe me--this internet--but thems facts as know them 2178 stan. acrop just upped... caruso ...the wagering requirements for claims on the 30 newbie bonus by 50 . seems my suspicion that bj 2 to 1 promo would sting them proved correct. hope they don't try and apply it those who bought in yesterday. ouch. lambs slaughter... 2179 exactly what is the source of your information. gnossos you accuse mary inacuracy based i assume on fact that yourself play -of-loss game sites. accusation and opa own accuracy has often been called into question my some luminaries this site. 2180 not sure what your post is saying nt factor x 2181 it occured to me... caruso ...that after an onslaught from a greedy bj community last night the coincidental increase in wagering requirement today for receipt of their 30 initial bonus which new players would be entitled along with 2 1 promo may have been order elicit more play into now negative expectation game as way recouping small part i presume heavy losses yesterday. however email support team posted quelled my paranoia. no such stunt is on horizon. apologies momentarily questioning your ethics s.a. that's what post was saying. 2182 blackjack 2 to 1 - payments factor x i participated heavily in the promo yesterday. yesterday evening was not able log because casino full. so far have received any e-mail notification or bankroll reimbursement for blackjacks received. overall game itself appears fair. 2183 sa - made good factor x stanley acropolis on the bj promo in my case. they placed money account as promised and within next day. promised. i had 71 bjs. unable to log during evening session because message said casino full . did make it 2 more times but only for a couple of minutes each time- then was disconnected both times. 2184 likewise... caruso ...impossible to get in by about 1am uk time - i reckoned the us population would be getting stuck for evening then. damn annoying considering could only two or three hours before that. also received same confirmatory email. all very civilized. hope there were enough bozos out make it a not-too-painful day them. so they do again... game felt pretty much fair agree. 2185 greedy kathleen turner overdrive after an onslaught from a bj community last night i have to question your choice of adjectives. can think more appropriate words. for example smart comes first mind. kto 2186 thank you nt factor x 2187 is this the same john may who writes books opa mary because i've read and enjoyed your work do not understand vehemence in asserting that online players association on take . are you sure you're getting it confused with eoga igc commission council ocma safebet igi ogc osga other shill portals brand-specific ratings sites which i investigate post their connections www.winneronline.com as original 2188 ok guys cool it. babe internet gaming is full of crooks on both sides the table. it formed about a year ago and committee made up entirely volunteers. time effort that adkins has devoted to this organization without compensation enormous. also true mary several other key people. you all know saying 'you can't please people time'. captain jack's case most difficult one type hasn't been encountered before. appears me it's software glitch or there more story someone isn't telling maybe not even aware. in any regards going be prove jacks case. fees charged by opa are pittance. just complaint handled email would cost hell lot than 25 if went lawyer. as far advertising goes pay bills membership fee won't cut nothing do with whether casino receives approval. never brought when discuses approve casino. go ahead complain want opa. let's see help some these players who get screwed out sometimes thousands dollars. yea anybody can honest was simple misunderstanding but try getting money rogue casinos crooks. taken pinnace like were sorry. looking at from extreme's standpoint very strong evidence i have seen recommend pay. however further investigation may warranted close books 2189 re cool it kathleen turner overdrive babe wrote in any regards it's going to be difficult prove captain jacks case. not prove. extreme knows this. my question is why won t they work with cj surly if someone hacking into their software would want know about it. btw i ve heard other reports of this happening rtg software. believe jack when he claims didn't lose the money. he's been a long time poster on site and imo doesn't lie. isn't some goofball that anything gambling playes bad game loses then lies get money back. for what worth once had 700 disappear from an site. but was cashed out. disappeared banking page. did back took safebet many months do so. has problem type thing. agree your opa comments. 2190 do not need to be an opa member get action on tropika opa_mary has negotiated with price waterhouse coopers for them review all players issues casinos. details the forum in www.casinomeister.com it's one of those boards a frame so i can't more specific link. note hope critics notice this.... 2191 vegas strip rtg casinos warning by both casinomeister and opa opa_mary the group of real time gaming has locked accounts all players from denmark or suspected being effectively holding their funds for being. they have stopped responding to inquiries casino meister on behalf players. complaints are also piling up in end. put them rogues list is advising hold off further deposits play until this can be sorted out. details at www.casinomeister.com announcements section forum. 2192 that's all i need to know hon... opa_mary most of my posts are on green chip i've been involved this section since its inception and a reader bj21 for longer than that. there's games chipper wouldn't be caught dead playing. no lottery tix... 2193 stanley acropolis did not pay off on their promotions for me debbil i received neither my 30 sign-on bonus a wager of 400 original deposit saw absolutely no notice the change to 600 until next day nor 13 blackjacks hit. game itself seemed fair as losses were right about what you would expect from .6 negative expectation but am happy bait-and-switch bonuses. recommend playing this casino if they won't advertised god knows else might pull. lambs slaughter indeed 2194 not being fond... caruso ...of bragging i chose the slightly pejorative adjective others such as smart were however bursting to get out even whilst beating a hole through my pc screen on faced with continual casino is at full capacity message. 2195 did you... caruso record your results carefully i would personally never stop exactly on the requirement i'd always give myself a margin of error this occasion 100 extra units - apart from at microgamers that use playcheck and are incontrovertible. it could also raise spectre course completely injustifiably bonus abuse if you bang maybe some play engenders bit good will. sure then 1 phone 2 email them. my own contact with them i've absolutely no doubt they'll come through deal but we all need occasional prod in right direction. 2196 check this out factor x when logging on to sa casino click chips button . will show 1 available balance and 2 hand. bonus money is tranferred into section. may help. they notified me about 19 20 hours after promo ended so be slow in getting the money. i recorded all my bjs. it appears shorted 5 of what should pay -but believe was an honest mistake. contacted them this. 2197 understood kathleen turner overdrive i chose the slightly pejorative adjective understood. after read some of your other posts thought this might be case. kto 2198 may take weekend factor x article on www.rgtonline.com interviews andy mace cm who says it all to reimburse the players. 2199 are you sure kathleen turner overdrive have they told that won't get the sign-up bonus bj maybe money just hasn't been added yet. i don't see why shouldn't bonus. many of us still waiting for extra pay-off. some paid others not. it's taking them a while to add money. this isn't unusual in online gambling world. addition stanley sent an email which customers it would take few days players. also agree with factor x. check account services page. you're may be there. kto 2200 sa article factor x go to www.rgtonline.com . click on enter rgt online scan downward and find special feature what casino manager says about the promo. 2201 response to james b.j. player i understand what you're saying all of it is very valid without a question. however the opa put themselves in position they are when decided start opa. chose charge 25.00 year not you or me therefore should do their best help that guy out. nobody asking for impossible but show bias because casino advertises through your website wrong has advertised self be advocate internet player. 2202 response to captain jack b.j. player i hope you get your money good luck. the only reason it caused such a firestorm is because just about all of us have been in same situation before. if we don't help each other out these rip-off casinos will try cheat even more than they are now. apologize for trying back. luck 2203 thank you everyone for your quick responses debbil all especially the link to rgt article. i did not receive e-mail notification regarding delay but will keep my eye out. answer of questions that were posted following - checked account see if either bonus was credited no luck yet . kept a running tally wagers wagered slightly less than 450 by count so figure in margin error down virtually entire session and managed get back up being only 17.50 including bonuses had expected nothing unusual about decided push past believing 400 still sufficient. blackjacks 13 total one while betting 10 twelve 5 sent an sa asking credit bonus. response there may just be due them swamped promotion realize they this overwhelmed. have played at two other i-casinos been instantly sands caribbean global player very surprised over 24 hours. short eyes open fingers crossed blackjack am optimistic sign-on because it looks like changed minimum wager requirement without notice. site said on june 21st 600 22nd. wrong far doesn't look good. again suggestions. i'll posted. 2205 yes but they finally barred me pablo over a period of five months i won from bonuses 3 000 the casino online and was paid in full. received an email manager saying that could no longer deposit more than 100 becase only played during bonus promotions. oh well. it fun while lasted. same thing happened to recently at extreme. am still playing several other casinos who keep inviting back. hope lasts lot these casinos. 2206 casino data - math analysis help nic here is some since a recent revision of software. what do you think don't just tell me sample small am well aware that. but it fair to segregate by bet size and analyze results for example at the 25 out game 835 rounds probability losing 34 bets in 47 guesses raising if take trials separately with units lost about 4.3 standard deviations left side curve. prob 1 2 80 -0.5 4 -1 unit 5 613 -39 10 75 -12.5 15 -2.5 20 round -34 50 0 2207 also ..... nic neglected to put totals in post above. total 835 rounds -87.5 units down about 2 3rds standard dev. 2208 i received... caruso ...email notification that i'd receive the 30 bonus as rules were changed after deposited. give them a ring i'm sure they'll confirm it. 2209 answer to come gnossos i have a spreadsheet set up that will your questions. but won't be able do anything with data til tuesday or so. if no one else has answered by then will. 2210 kickbacks john may you accuse mary of inacuracy based i assume on the fact that yourself play -of-loss game your sites. what is source accusation and opa its a good idea to read first post in thread before commenting. they use referral link. go site look. part don't get offer affiliate links at cccafe for one reason only-to benefit my members. 10 rebate any losses. remainder covers postage currency conversion purchase international money orders total profit from whole venture has been less than 100. thats huge edge i'm offering advantage community. i've never taken so much as dollar off an ordinary compulsive gambler. this quite different pretending be regulatory organization taking organizations are meant regulating. own accuracy often called into question some luminaries site. luminaries...that would long-term successful professional gamblers...cutting it against fluctuation out real world without security office job...people developing using techniques cutting right no recall serious disagreements with luminaries. hell talking about 2211 well... john may if you are not taking any money from the organization then fair enough...but someone clearly is presumably diosappearing into ether. cj had a legitimate complaint and since chose to represent opa shout lot i don't think its surprising got an extreme reaction. 2212 are internet casinos up to a scam teetor i would never gamble on the and only play real blackjack. in reading many threads here it assured me that will stick my guns. look what happened captain jack poor guy. is possible you bonus hustlers being baited for big one please comments from gamblers not spammers who seem be all over here. should have stayed at 'poor casino back ac called sands. know thought was going flop out 2213 the big one kathleen turner overdrive is it possible you bonus hustlers are only being baited for yeah well anything but . bye kto 2214 here's another ug that might be dave a i cashed out 1000 on april 26 and then 175 may 18. they refuse to even aknowledge the as if this cash never existed. was not sent due mix up told 30 days later around 26. now more there appears yet . all of disorganization but don't really care any more. it is unintentional are welcomed tell side story. casino has few give me tracking number for my check 1175. i'm kind hoping do because think people need warned about these idiots. however send will disclose who are. within naming them. 2215 microgaming - fair or foul factor x i recently played at another mg site named illustrated casino. because they offer very generous bonuses decided to try them. blackjack exclusively. according wizard of odds player is a .13 disadvantage. here are my results hands won- 100 lost 151 pushed -21 . bet 598 dollars and 112 dollars. this in keeping with other sites have such as captain cooks english harbour king solomons. done well but never site. normally the 10 30 dollar range when play trusted casino stanley acropolis on net. 2216 captain cooks - my outlook factor x casino recently offered a generous bonus of 250 dollars for 500 deposit. and money must be played 4x each. according to wizard odds site player is at .13 disadvantage. comp points 2 per 10 are normally awarded. however during june the receives 4 wagered. every 100 can converted into 1 dollar. therefore picks up an additional .4 advantage in blackjack game. playing .27 if game truly random all cards deck. i lost 45 units after flat betting 300 units. do not believe fair any mg site. think about it . they giving you extra advantaged have been finding myself floundering bad tail end bell curve-like over two standard deviations these sites some time now.at this point am convinced that something wrong. 2217 generic casinos john may i don't think you can stereotype internet casinos. its a truly international phenomenon. some are crooked most not. would never gamble on the and only play real blackjack. in reading many threads here it assured me that will stick to my guns. look what happened captain jack poor guy. being little naive about terrestrial have had seconds dealt caught dealer interlacing cards high-low stack even winnings confiscated once all jurisdictions which were supposedly well-regulated. addition their numerous instances of preferential shuffling couple sessions so abnormally bad suspect cheating method could not identify was used against me. online analyze data check for cheating-that is possible offline. also won't get physically intimidated or assaulted. worth pointing out if come across an experienced subtle card cheat just be able detect any cheating. 2218 i recently... caruso ...played lucky nugget for a 25 bonus - seemed sure thing and i've always tended to survive the mg game playing bonuses in past even come out ahead although has felt odd. calculated on flat betting basis didn't bet towards end breaking personal rule through sheer frustration recorded 34 unit loss of 800 or so hands not as bad yours admittedly short doubles bjs it's no way conclusive sample was up 17 units at one point early . wish i'd noted number dealer player 10-10 two-card draws fact all 19 20 21 assuage my feeling that almost fraudulent most glaringly percentage 10 upcards receiving another compared those received gargantuan very dodgey. then look takes table games website 96 would have thought must be exclusively bj roulette surely this 4 take is drop total wagering alarming -0.15 yields barely performs slots 2219 bml is a very slow pay nt anon314 2220 sa has credited me for the sign-up bonus debbil i just got an e-mail from saying that will be 30 after all. hooray they did not mention blackjack but have asked. since can't check my casino account right now may already done all know. 2221 my long term mg results kathleen turner overdrive the last time i checked records had wagered close to 600 000 at sites. of this action microgaming held 3 all money i've wager their bj game. seems be a bit too high for game which should have casino edge .2 play perfect bs . is top list casinos that possibly deals non-random other experienced players questioned also. kto 2222 my take factor x the mg blackjack games appear to me play like shoe though they are supposed be 1-deck games. notice how often dealer will draw a 4 or 5 6 card 20 21. player does not 21.there is something amiss with these i feel. when signed up stanley acropolis played higher stakes than have been doing sites. lost almost 1300 dollars over period of time but never felt that there was anything wrong their game. it just right. 2 1 promo came could do little sa game and more made for earlier losses. still find hard believe sites fixed. however according table payouts definitely on low side .13 - 96 way too low. 2223 microgaming - something amiss factor x from my viewpoint that appears way out of line if you are playing perfect strategy for this particular game. i recently signed up with acekingclub a boss media operation and their game appeared to be fair.even unified gaming site played few weeks back did not slice me up. in fact am little ahead there. but would love subpoena records the various casinos hand them over some university statisticians analysis then have judged court law. idea these operations beyong law may true faceless companies. those software companies licensed within lawful jurisdictions opinion subject any laws pertain committing fraudulent practices. 2224 they say i will also have my bj bonus withing 24 hours nt debbil 2225 hands caruso can you say approx. how many this represents if you're playing 500 a go i doubt it 1200 sample would not necessarily be conclusive it's 10 then 60 000 are proof and you've kept the playcheck records tedious business all better. wildjacks doing 25 promo up to 250 over which i'm umming ahing less than was before reading your post. 2226 captain hook not cook experience - nothing unusual buridan i played in capt. hook's casino to be confused with for their 25 bonus deposited 2400 got 600 had wager 9000 . this is a mg outfit. 500 hands at 20 on average and came out 7 units ahead counting the here though very small sample of course. check amount 3140 arrived today after lots faxes couple calls. bad. my experiences orbital english harbour were quite similar. lost all oldsamurai another shop 2227 i read... caruso an article the web site of which i've forgotten a sample some 180000 mg hands resulted in 0.03 or so player edge single worst losing session was -37 hands. all very odd. wonder if casinos are genuinely random and others tweak software how . i'm going to have shot at putting together my results long job may be revealing couple months down line. 2228 many questions remain regarding opa remain... samo666 regulatory consumer advocate agencies which take money from the businesses they are supposedly regulating overseeing passing judgements on have a basic conflict of interest. reports doesn't penny anyone . obviously much is unknown as to way conducts their business. and by - mary reason i assumed you were customer service rep was based upon comments in your posts. none them did identify position with company. if had been even minimally professional done so wouldn't made error. few points arguments not any more forceful because obnoxiously capitalize everything am doing here imitation will be judged own merits whether upper or lower case. b heard doyle brunson nick greek huck seed others. however yet household word gambling community. post representative an agency job description. information re issue being discussed opa's perceived non-responsiveness cj then info instead pathetically crying about life situation. 2229 mr. john may are you an online gambler anon21 being the author of a bj book that i assume is decent one find it hard to believe in your expertise claim easier detect cheating than table cheating. not only do disagree with this but also saying analogy. take for what it's worth would rather have dealer attempt cheat me right before my eyes who cheats blinded eyes. virtually impossible shoe and automatic shuffler. since be advantage player wise advice_ which play tables machines. too should encourage patrons helpful tip. 2230 john may claims he can detect cheating. teetor says on-line cheating easier than table games. there is only one major flaw in his statement and that you be broke by the time this. problem with guys are always trying to give casinos benefit of doubt hoping this some kind weird standard deviation . if i were playing online would start being a bit more apprehensive. 2231 mr. may steve adkins dear i have read some of your posts concerning the opa and to put it frankly. you really do not a clue what talking about. that is based upon so far. first we does get kickback from any casino. most casinos issue us referral link they can track traffic opa. all. would suggest maybe contact each casino concerned about verify information given you. unless course finding out truth want do. see like pick on know anything sound clue. called watch dog organization ha there no in there. nice day president pitbossopa aol.com 2232 my results reflect a 3 hold anon615 on large number of hands and coin-in. 2233 was i cheated t can some of you math wizards help me out. had a very bad run at an online casino and want to know the percentage chance this happening. here's breakdown. rules 2 decks hit soft 17 das any two cards one card only split aces history 1125 deposit. played 1800 hands 5 each using bs for given end balance 670 dealer bj's 101 my 65 i'd like things 1. chances losing that much money over duration play. 2. getting many more than it may not be unlucky but i'm just curious as what happening are. thanks in advance 2234 hey eff off and your mother dresses you funny opa_mary i'm not a professional never said i was don't see why have to do the customer service grin shuffle somebody who can't be bothered any research before flinging bullshit. want go read some sklansky caro posts. ooops my mistake they get rude because are geniuses. aim of vitriol at john may or stanford wong run ads too. oops charge money feel free all posts original mary over www.winneronline.com if help gamblers not. can make up own mind come correct conclusion that being too am genius. 2235 what was the software opa_mary online casinos vary in sophistication of their gaff. some are easy to detect just don't bother paying out keep it slight enough that a bonus percentage will overcome 2236 some numbers. james expect a blackjack roughly once 21 hands for total of about 86 expected. standard deviation on this number is sqrt or 9.3. so your dealer's numbers are 1.5 sd high while yours 2 sd's low. you lost 91 5 units in 1800 hands. expected to lose 9 assuming 0.5 house edge didn't check exact . more importantly the should be 1.1 x bj game 47 units. results 1.7 below expectation. none these inconsistent with fair although if were certainly unlucky. note that seeing three statistics go 1.5-2 sds against doesn't necessarily mean much worse than collective result since all measurements correlated. dealer gets excess blackjacks there less aces and hence get. obviously shortage player correlated poor overall 15 received by went instead would 37 better only -1 sd. 2237 online cheating vs. the brick and mortar version gamemaster teetor you sound like a casino employee since also intelligent i sense some whistling past graveyard in your message....you know where competition is it's on internet. are without any proof whatsoever assuming that all casinos unfair. well have got news for first of they aren't but those who making buckets from about to come this site post their experiences world see. bitch public bet. tell 35 hour situation that's available line why convince at what possible gain 20 years play brick-and-mortar never ever - not even once had opportunity prove game fair. oh believe a.c. fair yet proven that. when one plays can track such items as dealer's ending hand naturals number times each card has been played so forth. many other posters here do give benefit doubt we realize 'variance' mathematical terms simply part game. if us knew was wouldn't there...the difference now it person sits down table bumf k iowa can't. fear causing miss great opportunities be honest i'm glad you're sitting out. maybe i'll broke day suggest let me just say blackjack real everybody way there games. gm 2238 lol kathleen turner overdrive now that was a funny title - kto 2239 support the opa dave a below there are posts by players criticizing opa. this is absurd. these volunteers. amount of crap they put up with including death threats to advance interests huge. i am member but not involved management organization. do know steve adkins or mary at all and don't who am. if want 25 from me go bat every time casino won't pay i'm more than glad give it them clearly on side have any other motives. 2240 dueling luminaries opa_mary i know sounds like a martha stewart party decor gone bad. ok. contend that there are different competencies involved in online gambling versus land and certain familiarity with computers the industry very helpful. here's my trivia quiz. these questions have worked up to screen opa volunteers who want do research how many of following individuals casino can you identify jack stroll john ashbee craig williams dean barron claude levy sue schneider mark balestra fred faust alan stanford wong anthony cabot steve adkins michael bob haywood francis mickey moore shrink sting hitmob jetset spearmaster mohawks why we care much does license cost costa rica what is tax rate on sports wagering isle man name two customers garrink software. three casinos also casinos. was christine angry at aloha ocma stand for 2241 just as i suspected teetor am not a casino employee and never have been but now suspect you being an on-line shill after reading your reply. in fact serious true card counter. can see how read my previous post the other thread why may think employee. what mean by captain jack should stayed at sands is because on ac page he sarcasticly implied that good conditions has offering lead to some problems with so results ah poor casino. says. obviously could care less about table games. do. very seldom visit when do there negative vibes going around here. it easy ask question of what's did say all ol casinos cheat or any them for manner. bit apprehensive putting money line. dont agree way well john's proving deal randomly. strange mr. always states bj counters we must millions sims evidence yet internet need samples statistics alot deviation. possibility also. i'll stay now. 2242 yeah lets support opa kelly i'm a member of the and have fortunately not had to use their assistance in any dispute up now. i often read about disputes which they or are trying solve believe doing good work 2243 gaff nt anaoymous 2244 ok not mg caruso i've just re-located the link and it regarded 144000 hands played on ug software 2245 microgaming b.j. player i'm not going to say your wrong but i have done well in some of the mg sites i've played in. more inclined believe it's casinos themselves don't see advantage cheat do for casino. 2246 i agree that... caruso players will rarely rave about where they've done well but grumble to the ends of earth when they do badly. it's a question how online game feels in comparison real thing. i've played fair bit at mg sites plus stanley acropolis casino on net and roman although average ok with wrong you don't need 100000 sample determine this play through 20 or so single decks then an deck for approximately same amount difference is substantial. ironically only software offering record-checking service mention best my knowledge which hardly suggestive skullduggery. maybe assumption that noone check their records detail. also every player side sd there should be another right think would hesitate reporting - have been case. variance must go both directions until people report success extent 1 2 2.5 sds positive such games doubts remain. 2247 large number of hands and coin in - that's useful nt anon314 2250 i'd agree scarce it is defintely an individual casino problem with microgaming software. business practices vary widely. some managers think nothing of skewing the software especially during large bonus times or even for customers. there are micro sites i would advise not playing at all. overall i've found to play as fair fairer than other out there. but my experience and thousands hours land-based can tell when something stinks. while may scoff really doesn't matter me. it's money. this thing about online real gambling in a getting 'reasonably' game just deciding where b your deposit back almost never happens that you won't had few taken c winnings reasonable amount time over month least hassle. call if you're unsure any criteria outlined above. bonus's given ensure player will win s he plays carefully. 2252 rtg nt t 2253 thanks t man. i guess was just unlucky then. don't normally doubt rtg casinos as i've won a fair bit in them although many say the software is streaky it both ways. but this casino gradual steady decline which seemed dodgy. 2254 casino on the net don does any one have old 3.1 version of not he new with craps. if so would like to get it from you 2255 opa caruso if they want 25 from me to go bat every time a casino won't pay i'm more than glad give it them my criticism was based on her suggestion that expect thus pittance although payed in good faith by the members. 2256 we do go to bat... opa_mary my point was the opa does bat but for many players and expect volunteers 40 hours a week is not realistic. blast doing anything without courtesy of asking what has been done customer service grin shuffle apologies or groveling also accusations payoffs corruption deceit going get professional response . if you wave 10 000 check at gaming industry convention you'll plenty basically doesn't enough money out this take crap. believe me gamblers their 25 worth. that purchased it membership fees in an organization members are encouraged participate make opinions known warn other problem casinos treat those who active on everyone's behalf with civility. 2257 stanley leisure business news release opa_mary thursday july 13 8 53 am related quotes sly.l 286 1 ftse 100 gainers losers commission calculator delay 15-20 minutes disclaimer uk's profits up 32 pct adds details throughout by mike elliott london reuters - british betting and casino company plc lse reported a percent increase in annual on the back of organic growth acquisitions both its divisions. we continue to look future with optimism chairman leonard steinberg said results statement. turnover since end financial year was running at an all-time high divisions which group augurs well for . division however had seen poor from euro 2000 football tournament casinos unlikely consistently achieve same level as last result increased volatility year's acquisition casinos. pre-tax before exceptional items goodwill 31.1 million pounds 571.4 april 30 2000. it proposed final dividend 3.8 pence share making total 5.55 12 percent. arm saw operating climb nine 18.7 gaming 123 25.6 million. shares have underperformed sector more than this so far were one penny 201-1 2 0740 gmt. are excited about our new openings internet sites particularly forthcoming said. acquired capital corp including famous crockfords march picked two online avaloncasinos.com acropoliscasinos.com trading satisfactorily that launch third site stanleyacropolis.com. also plans year. 2258 microgaming dumps tropika opa_mary cut corners by not renewing their gaming license in dominica and price waterhouse coopers has requested that sites display logo. these events would have happened without the efforts of opa. yes i know this opa publicity thing is getting tired but being accused dishonesty inactivity really ticked me off. 2259 the gamemaster is no shill colin caster you make good points about how many hands may be necessary for confidence in conclusions fairness i tend to agree with your position as most recently stated but should know that a towering figure this industry -- support of players . his website probably richest source info not fluff from which serious gambler can profit online gambling available anywhere. and it's free. if are curious owe yourself visit site. cc p.s. have ties site other than having it at top my bookmarks. 2260 ug bring me luck payment problems dave a myself and friends have had trouble receiving from unified gaming casino. those who read my posts know that i am very reluctant to name casino unless it is absolutely necessary. normally do not get mad until 30 days late in paying me. the manager of this convinced for some time reasons delays were intentional so gave them another days. has now been 60 original cash out was on april 26 1000 then may 175. keeps refering total as they decided round off nearest even though did final 175 because their maximum per month. after thirty told there mix up with would be sent within 5 by regular mail. later first fixed yet up. all inconvenience demanded send fed ex tracking number proove sending since could no longer believe them. lot confidence will going ahead making like through internet. people here advice play at resolve problem come under new management. 2261 there is no question the opa influenced this dave a out of all organizations on net put most pressure tropika and associated with these thieves. was very poorly managed group casinos that near end decided to steal money from players instead making it same way online do. several were members did show large amount patience willingness work company. positive microgaming company at least wants keep good image. fact casino likely reputable now gang gone. i would be careful any suddenly starts giving away farm offering 500 per day promotions as if they have growing trees can hand everyone walks by. lot are heading for financial disaster. few appear desperate. my advice you must play their set maximum limit willing let each them owe then stick limit. your just received blackjack balance cash out. course plan things so meet minimum criteria also. 2262 advice well taked internet player dave thanks for the heads up. i know and respect you as a player. also that are fair will bend over backwards casino. be sure not to play at bring me luck after what has happened you. it is simply acceptable casino deny payments someone wins then make excues why they can pay. alert my e-mail friends careful with luck. please let board how things turn out. 2263 thanks for the heads up. anon615 an online casino's reputation payouts is very important. i won't be playing there until am 100 certain that my funds are safe. don't mind losing at casino games but having chips stolen unacceptable. i'll sure to tell friends. 2264 i didn't say... john may it was easier to detect online cheating. pointing out that subtle and skilled cheating-online offline is impossible detect. please don't oversimplify my argument. if you are worried a particular casino cheat buy in for more than can write off as research expenses. but stick blue-chip organizations with reputable gambling operations its very unlikely will be cheated. researching the operation far potent form of protection statistical analysis. 2265 try detecting this... john may if i keep an ace and ten together through a shuffle in single-deck game have considerably increased the house edge for basic strategist made unplayable counter. how can you detect that can't-dealers do it without malice all time. won't show up any reasonable space of time via statistical analysis. thats one thousand tricks could use to part from your money. many crooked dealers still exist know. having said online operation cheats subtlely is impossible either. caveat emptor. gamble continue recommend other advantage players online. potential profits far exceed terrestrial play right now. 2266 tracking mechanisms john may if you are using a referral link then the assumption is that receiving kickback. no conceivable reason exists for casino to use link-its relatively simple task determine where website's traffic coming from without it i can't believe their programmers unsophisticated. find very difficult allow those gaudy banners on your site any profit. anyone including cj who much smarter than average net gambler would come actually same conclusions and have created problem yourself. just take down. will as say ask some of these casinos whether get paid or not. but not cast-iron proof anything-if they prepared steal cj's money quite capable deceiving me. however an answer reputable organization like stanley acropolis be inclined you. watchdog which we seem agree suggest change name something less likely indicate are. particular interest in picking opa. don't netcasinos screwing over players with tacit approval paper-tiger regulatory body. reeks corruption spinelessness. 2267 running ads... john may i've never run ads for the reasons stated above. profited to tune of less than a hundred dollars from those which didn't cover my expenses though members cleared over 200 000 rebate scheme. that is customer service. 2268 good effort - well done nt factor x 2269 my post was in reply to... caruso dave a's support the opa which he said - if they want 25 from me to go bat every time a casino won't pay i'm more than glad give it them i replied that this not be considered as license expect player had problem fact you say it's simply membership fee is fine long that's understood by new member paying it. yours rather excessive response wasn't actually critisiling at all pointing out wrong assumption about nature of fee. your recent posts have been lot reasonable first unhelpful spleen-venting and sure tone alteration has noted round. 2270 the opa doesn't handle criticism very well member xyz mary states that members should express their opinions. why so steve adkins can over react and jump down throats don t believe me check out www.winnersonline.com . notice what happens when someone dares opinion. no doesn criticisms well. yes does a lot of good but they give casinos pass whenever problems occur tropika pinnace extreme anyone dare mention something abut one or question s tactics watch out. fireworks will fly. just take things much too personally. sorry truth if it hurts tough 2271 detectable bob fisher this is detectable. if high cards are consistently cut out of play a balanced count will tend to climb when it shouldn't in fair game. by recording counts at the shuffle and comparing expected which 0 you don't yourself can gather sample size. also raise your bet an honest game true should remain same long run. with on non-random basis climb. 2272 they are 90 days past due on my payment......... ardenwinn payment. i bought in for only 110 a promo. cashed out 300. did credit card the but have not yet mailed check 190. good luck arden 2273 by all means list the desperate ones please nt raspberry cheese blintz 2274 their defense is to sign you up for a bunch of spam dave today i am receiving over 150 emails from newsletters that recently signed for. this childish behavior and not the way adults deal with problems. they seem forget amount damage can cause me limited what owe nuisance having delete email any other types tantrums choose throw. need send tracking number 1175 me. 2285 good work but... james while this is the outcome i expected it certainly isn't one i'd hoped for. looks like tropika just got themselves kicked out of online casino business-- no mean feat-- and has incentive to pay players even if they had money . checked their site all hooks microgaming are non-functional playcheck cashcheck promotion manager flash gives a page not available error other three say undergoing maintenance should we short-sell stock before drops 3 cents 2288 what a bunch of losers player's advocate dave i am going to be starting up website for on-line gamblers. please contact me and let know about your experiences. bring luck can have the distinction being first on my blacklist . sick tired these outfits ripping off customers like this. children. its ok you risk money here but when win they think every excuse in book not pay you. then nerve tell that do attitude. well guess that's too bad. don't realize is news travels fast internet. easily play somewhere else. winners word mouth will kill we make sure guys get lot press regarding their payout philosophies. us happens with crooks. 2289 maximum cashout per month colin caster there's a red flag if i ever saw one. ug licenses to these guys cc 2291 i can easily foil your trick anon21 now john you should know can't pull that shit on an experienced gambler like me. turn the tables by shuffle tracking and cut a j into sweet play. if ever suspect dealer is trying to this crap dont how track simply always randomly. it keeps cheating guessing he will be gaffed. another tip save money for real table games thats were its at not playing on-line gayjack. 2292 the policy is to not cash out more than you deposit dave a actually if look at their website maximum per week and month. i'm sorry about this mistake in my post. as bad but just theory. can see - practice deposit. ug site whose servers are located costa rica. over next few days i will be posting information on these guys so avoid only them those who help with operations of scam. other hand they do what have asked really better things time. there lots scams net. don't bother me then allocate resources clean up. 2294 the spamer's ip address 196.40.43.29 dave a i checked with network solutions who is command and it can not identify domain for this. i'm sure there way to isp then could lodge complaint company in costa rica. this has already taken an hour of my time unsubscribing 500 pornographic newsletters that arrived today want devote any more they pay someone 400 colonas per send me scam 300 rican dollar knowing worth so much than if have tomorow going investigate further or anyone here knows how juvenile would be interesting. does used fashion. 2295 it really looks like the truth is hurting you dave a say if hurts tough but what not true i see steve adkins doing jumping down throats of tropika casinos and all other on recommended list in interest players. him opa members then i'm afraid are blind or maybe don't know how to read. over www.winnersonline.com mr. can express whatever opinion he wants so telling me that webmaster at winnersonline.com only accepts mr opinions his board think pretty dumb. care handle criticism well. they volunteers who working for free. deserve any criticism. fact will give some patience member as this often best way most effective strategy get players money do becomes clear no longer deserving membership out door go exactly happened with tropika. same s 2296 it is not a good idea for me to expose them dave i am telling casino right now that if they pay will on the net. see casinos involved in believe me. tell you then have other priorities my life and keep word true. may lie steal but do not. there are lot of scams rip offs internet. job unless involved. exposing crooks can cause more problems than solves. it's last resort so reluctantly. given clues as how spot off. these lessons learned. made mistakes learning. 2297 the problem with your theory newbie to online gambling for every player on wrong side of sd there should be another right and i don't think players would hesitate in reporting this - have when it's been case. but variance must go both directions until people report success extent 1 2 2.5 sds positive such games doubts will remain. curve little no incetive their successes especially an open forum. first they'll accused being shills whatever casino they're reporting. second more importantly they incentive preserve good opportunities. if pros who start out negative ev give up quit then opportunity last longer before burned out. means that succesfull actually let you believing software is cheating you. 2298 this time players might get their money the microgaming press release. opa mary i imagine price waterhouse coopers had something to do with decision for microgmaing right thing here after started sending complaints them. news flash announcement announces that licence operation of group casinos owned by tropika and notably fairplay casino has been terminated immediate effect. termination does not affect golden riveira casino. is aware some there have player allegations pay outs made casinos. in interests fairness arrangements still claims paid or relevant 5th july 2001 put pricewaterhousecoopers inc. johannesburg pwc . will receive player's a view verifying correctness thereof advising any amounts should be paid. process entirely under control involved way. funds used such payouts placed trust are ownership microgaming. advise trustees all who believe they valid claim approach from 6th at e-mail address given below. note limit on lodgement lodged august 2001. must addressed trustadmin pwcgaming.co.za these clearly state claimant s full name login-id as registered involved. 2299 hey let us vent and we'll get some work done... opa mary brought to you by the rude volunteers of news flash microgaming announcement announces that licence for operation group casinos owned tropika notably fairplay casino has been terminated with immediate effect. this termination does not affect golden riveira casino. is aware time there have player allegations pay outs players made casinos. in interests fairness arrangements still had their claims paid or relevant 5th july 2001 put pricewaterhousecoopers inc. johannesburg pwc . will receive player's complaints a view verifying correctness thereof advising any amounts should be paid. process entirely under control involved way. funds used such payouts placed trust are ownership microgaming. advise trustees all who believe they valid claim approach from 6th at e-mail address given below. note limit on lodgement lodged august 2001. must addressed trustadmin pwcgaming.co.za these clearly state claimant s full name login-id as registered involved. 2300 wow congratulations gnossos that's terrific news mary congrats to you steve and the opa. i had pretty much written off 7k that jetset still owes me. now it seems there's hope. question. about 3400 stolen from me by fairplay astrobet when they came up with no-craps-until-cashout rule. may remember played craps at 2 days after satisfied last day's bonus requirement playing blackjack of course . all tropika casinos made a big point emphasizing bonuses on same day be requested within 24 hours play. yet somehow play gave right take away my winnings. claimed was supposed cash out completely before could craps. this will go down as first only time casino insists player being allowed one its games. add insult additional unscrupulous behavior injury into account back money. already paid takes money your gives another got fraud. but do think have prayer re-couping should send details pwc it's not simple case payment copies various emails document actions. regards again 2301 hey go for it... opa mary this is my hypothesis as a player not based on any special information i think price waterhouse cooper said to microgaming that has be taken care of. first the whole golden palace thing last year now this. it makes pwc look bad if results of their work was used lure in new players ripped off by tropika. tropika and displayed certification months while promising payment. so say it. 2302 wow james i'm amazed especially after microgaming's actions or lack thereof with gp last year. presumably the deciding factor was large number of players involved. i think golden palace took a comparable sum money but in larger chunks from smaller group players. does this mean that microgaming is putting up 100k to cover all tropika defaults just 40k opa claims received email notice are non-opa out luck if they don't read gambling boards will mg pwc make an effort contact them pretty solid . wonder how accurate for total player debts since it came less-than-trustworthy source. great job steve mary and anyone else who helped bring about. 2303 shilling john may it is strange how mr. always states on the bj counters page we must have millions of sims for evidence yet internet casino just need some samples with statistics and alot deviation. firstly no exists. second i never said any such thing. thirdly whether cheating shows up depends crucially extent cheating. blatant in a few dozen hands subtle undetectable. if you cannot understand this are far too stupid to be gambling period let alone online. am sick intellectual pondlife yourself accusing me being shill when couldn't gamble your way out fucking paper bag. 2304 sent mail... john may to various opa affiliated casinos asking whether receive kickbacks for the banners they generously provide as per adkins suggestion but have not received any replies. i'm guessing bluff has been called. 2305 didn't expect this kind of thing from you caruso no-one is beyond the reach pbs i hope 2306 you are missing the point john may bob and proving mine in process. if j follows ace or vice versa it can't be a blackjack. reduced probability of blackjack makes game unbeatable for card counter. any case actually saw what i was doing with jack then maybe could counter it. but thats two cards out fifty-two. watching all them because know where every deck is can win more money god whole cheating issue irrelevant. 2307 ahem... john may the guy calls me and gamesmaster a shill that is okay but an expletive worth busting both were writing about net advantage play long before methods widely used. we have posted on this forum almost since beginning. i personally won many thousands of dollars online spend great deal time educating players helping them win without any thought recompense. taken fantastic risks in field always side resent very much being called shill. it worse thing you can say professional gambler. than imagine. fact teetor appears to be sub-numerate unfortunate he's entitled his opinion however will not put up with type abuse. 2308 present some evidence demonstrating that opa influenced ... samo666 microgaming's decision to drop tropika. for all we know microgaming could have dropped them because they were stiffing on their bills using the software . there are several people and websites promoting players' interests re online gaming. very well be taking credit work of others or something which had minimal no influence. how about name someone at who can contacted verify effect 2309 how about an apology for me mr. may opa mary you were very quick to accuse of being a shill even though i too have been active on behalf the player before this board opened was one haywood's sources. hey that microgaming and price waterhouse coopers investigation tropika. looks like all players not just members will chance collecting money owed them six months. action is result efforts may. 2310 read this board. opa mary if you the posts that i have made on board alone of last couple weeks about price waterhouse coopers' involvement in situation can see is an thing. plus broke news before anybody else did- any other organizations trumpeting their want to get a more detailed timeline go www.casinomeister.com and posts. doubt very much at microgaming will answer inquiries it's huge embarrassment for them. thay not been responsive past. my guess they are responding pressure from pwc after contacted seal tropika sites. second time has nvolved players' dispute--last year it was golden palace. imagine again personal supposition pleased be so involved. 2311 tell the whole story please opa mary and how many casinos was that mr. may a big sample hey kids you can listen to may's friend gamemaster on his bimonthly radio show at www.casinogazette.com . it's paid for by those evil banner ads which are flat fee basis. i really don't know why john is so adamant about trashing steve. it can't be because of steve's use profanity. hope we get this resolved. 2312 there is no reason at all to believe opa mary's samo666 claims that this the result of opa's efforts solely or in part . see my post above beyond you have just gone from obnoxious and oafish true pathos. scream insult anyone who questions any way then expect get an apology may. i still idea after a dozen posts are what do your relationship with etc. know you're not - stated customer service rep.just for has never been revealed by you. as previous most others on planet heard mary despite apparently delusional belief name carries weight simply signing it. requested give contact microgaming price waterhouse coopers can verify work behalf players dropped tropika. nonsense 2313 as expected there is no evidence... samo666 that opa had anything substantive to do with this. if you read the posts i have made on this board alone of last couple weeks about price waterhouse coopers' involvement in situation can see an thing. and cannot it thing only are taking credit for behalf opa. thay not been responsive past. my guess a they responding pressure from pwc. microgaming hasn't yet influencing microgaming's decision dump tropika. attempting say influenced caused micro. tropika then provide name your contact at who verify claims. evidence what be - confusing contradictory statements guesswork. 2314 any consumer rights organization which accepts ads - samo666 and from the very companies they are supposedly watching instantly loses credibility. this is simply not done by legiimate organizations. 2315 casino ads on opa site the gamemaster john i do believe you are chasing wrong fox in this hunt. does indeed accept banner from casinos www.casinogazette.com but they prepaid flat-rate and not wherein shares players' losses. say that because that's what steve adkins explained to me when began doing a radio show there. think has changed i'm sure understand need for ad revenue. as far know telephone bills 1200 per month webhosting fees where so much is downloaded enormous. evidently have bone pick over please be let us all about it. gm 2316 accepting ads the gamemaster i think we all agree in principle with what you're saying but there is a practical side to this that overlooking. it costs do opa does and expect membership dues will cover expenses just isn't realistic at least when such an organization its infancy. are lot of players out who tell you they'd rather have gets some funding from industry than no all. don't forget one opa's objectives bridge gap between player casinos. if can develop sort relationship casino ultimately prevent or getting screwed then things better they were before opa. change not come only conflict. casinos advertising on site want demonstrate support ideals gasp probably hope get customers it. it's safe say up point these treating fairly what's wrong automatically be us versus them for advocate role work not. gm 2317 i don't disagree with you at all... caruso ... - the comment was re. f word not content. you'll only encourage him and hardly imagine anyone else has been considering a shill . 2318 giving chapter and verse... caruso ...on the exact whereabouts of good deals no but a general defence software that's been kind to someone when others are battering it wouldn't go amiss. anyway why such paranoic greed john informed me while back in post that industry takes some 300 per annum head unfortunates contributing sum will be attracted by these so inside info here there could work both for casinos who'll keep promos going not-so-unfortunates lighten their fat wallets ever slightly. 2319 be sure to read dates carefully and not file too soon. also you do hav opa mary i just want readers make that they pwc has been overwhlemed with email about this. this resolution is limited members. all players who believe have a valid claim should approach from the 6th of july 2001 at e-mail address given below. note time limit placed on lodgement such claims lodged by august 2001. must addressed trustadmin pwcgaming.co.za . these clearly state claimant s full name login-id as registered casinos involved. 2320 i wouldn't worry about it gnossos am dismayed but not overly surprised. john aka green baize vampire has a long history of making unwarranted leaps with minimal facts. he repeatedly invoked the frustration wrath might be better word don s and mathprof among others when jumps to conclusions that are supported by don't know what his problem is. at times can bright interesting even polite guy. other times... 2321 gee i guess it's an amazing coincidence gnossos yep. a remarkable alright. the opa unloads at tropika contacting pwc and everyone else they can think of within very short time microgaming announce this settlement. it didn't happen in jan feb mar apr or may when was still trying to work with tropika. just fluke that lost patience there is suddenly but no don't give them credit. perhaps you have better hypothesis 2322 agreed james opa solicited complaints and forwarded them to pwc last week. i just today received an email notice of this settlement from opalegal aol.com before it was posted anywhere else. haven't been contacted directly by microgaming or course tropika. find the suggestion that would have happened without opa's involvement rather farfetched. 2323 this is huge. nt colin caster 2324 it's like the better business bureau running ads teetor for a that is in b.b.b. book. 2325 out of perverse curiousity... opa mary samos can you name any other organizations or individuals that were working on the tropika problem and since seem to think know so much about it how naming some websites have been running advertisements for sites november in essence encouraging new players sign up deposit money. stopped ads jetset magic carpet when became clear not getting paid. we issued warnings play at casinos. who else did however try keep communication open with advised negotiations john ashbee. read notices www.casinomeister.com articles www.rgtonline.com . posted www.gamemasteronline.com here www.winneronline.com several shows www.casinogazette.com same site produced by gamemaster casinomeister also reported progress. representatives contacted shareholders owners serviced sites. securities authorities vancouver regulatory agency dominica. sent press releases newspapers toronto prior interactive gaming summit researchers summit. email council occasions. ran promotions i personally warned them math was against they might want reconsider--you find archives original 2326 one problem here teetor who will dare bite the hand that feeds them 2327 then i guess they aren't perfect dave a the ads do appear to be conflict of interest but this is minor point when you consider what opa offering players. for 25 volunteers will work every time there payment problems with casino. fact that such great deal doesn't seem mean much it determine isn't about organization. at we should thanking putting pressure on tropika and microgaming right thing are going concerned an ad some casino their pages. can specific which has pages bad am trying get idea how big problem is. maybe it's as block stealing one hundred thousand dollars from players it. don't know. 2328 john has a right to know. teetor may and his friends are serious gamblers they be members of opa. which leads the question..a'hemmm excuse me would you want member an organization that little biased on decisions contingent upon their income 2329 new show on casino gazette channel 2 opa mary steve talks about the microgaming announcement. suggests that players email thanking them for doing right thing. announces vegas strip group is placed not recommended list lockouts of danish after accepting deposits and wagers. over 100 complaints--a record. avoiding unified gaming because they do pay under robot excuse . clint eastwood in leave it to beaver boogers update pinnace sirius wins global player bj tournament goes up against gamemaster personally friday 7pm eastern time. software will enable an audience watch showdown. www.globalplayer.com with go saturday. snoopy vs red baron takes me back. rated pg-13 profanity. 2330 i agree teetor just found out about john's character the hard way. here's a word from john in replying to my post cheating if you cannot understand this are far too stupid be gambling period let alone online. am sick of intellectual pondlife yourself accusing me being shill when couldn't gamble your way fucking paper bag. never said accused brought up question he was one. think it is easy for person mistake him as one because operates cc cafe. last time visited that place 99 internet casino blackjack talk with 1 table blacjack not mention all spam went along it. now why on earth would someone there possibilty 2331 johnny can surely dish it out teetor .......but cant handle when bounces back his way. 2332 encourage me to gamble on the internet teetor if that's what you mean johnny is not a very good shill. thing that disturbs about this guy he writes bj book but after i read his postings here comes as one who favors over real thing. now i'm beginning question really blackjack player. just because someone does necessarily they are true warrior am it 2333 the reason internet bj may... caruso ...be favoured over real thing is that in it's small way it practically assures a profit for and high roller alike. where can you buy 500 play an even game walk away with 600 immediately - forget mythical long run . beats as far i'm concerned. check out do maths you'll see yourself. by encourage i meant more insulting comments not him to online casinos your tone very antagonistic seems you're picking fight sake of it. may be wrong. 2334 biting the hand that feeds you.. gamemaster what you say might be true if it's only you. ads are not main income source of opa membership dues are. casino supplemental so a gets upset with and pulls their opa's stream will continue though few bills may paid on time. gm 2335 opa mary babe is a member of the opa's executive committee. she also chief investigator. amount time has spent without compensation to help crybabies like you enormous. 2336 more coinccidence babe earilier this week the opa discovered that tropika didn't renew their gaming license in dominica last year. when mg and pwc was informed of they dropped like a hot potato. 2337 golden riviera bids farewell to tropika james dear valued loyalty member grl if you tried playing for the past 2 days would have noticed that our gaming servers been temporarily down. i want apologize any inconvenience this may caused. also explain reason we had shut down was now moved onto casino its own independent server and as of next week will be taking support in-house instead outsourcing it . so although there a slight obstacle in getting sincerely feel move total independence positive step towards becoming more efficient competent operation - do temporary delay but assure worth player are back up can play normally thank your patience understanding. 2338 tropika accuses microgaming in dueling press release opa mary friday june 29 11 09 am eastern time source international limited via bce emergis e-news services - repositioning of organization creates clear focus toronto ontario shares outstanding 97 464 194 pr 01-09 john ashbee chairman and ceo today announced the implementation a strategic corporate branding program as result significant business changes within its investments subsidiaries. mr. stated we are announcing full organizational review conducted over last 5 months. these when complete will see focused on businesses which have strong intellectual property assets where niche opportunity exists.'' customer service area company operating aps marketing 100 owned be renamed itecx online inc. providing infrastructure support to all types internet including casino industry. this has new management team streamlined operations resulting 50 reduction monthly overheads '' indicates david prue sr.vice president. include 24-hour technical strategies fulfillment search engine optimization e-mail anti-fraud server hosting database payment exchange settlement signature credit card company's division integrity solutions is positioned squarely debit fraud prevention sector internet. initial market casinos already been penetrated suited any vendor that accepts heavily ever-increasing issue utilizes comprehensive databases accumulated 3 years. both above companies combined into one unit coming year. during period board directors continue actively pursue transitioning reporting issuer status order create public entity group. commerce inc subsidiary tropika's until an operator casino's flagship fairplay casino. industry factors processing costs availability charge back competition regulatory concerns banking made operation less attractive investment focus. indicated risks associated with revenue derived from increasing greatly. random number generator discrepancies software determining house margins supplied by legal issues north american marketplace becoming too uncertain. hurdles make decision not increase prudent protection shareholder value.'' end effective cease being operator. existing deactivated however plans recapture some selling brands utilizing near future.'' noted comments actions regard payouts contracts but defer our solicitors advise respect comment at time.'' further without for next 60 days post transition net income greater more stable risk gaming variability. process negotiating intended replace top line term. total expenses 80 000 per month achieved transition.'' relationship crm application currently named websandwich e-interaction plus. involved ongoing discussions various divisions bell yet receive confirmation budget available launch. based upon delays undertake direct aggressive internally targeting isp's professional organizations. 12-month target 1 clients representing recurring revenue. previous model rc securities technology replaced newer b2b model. trading system configurations. provides banks trust well smaller brokerages. while offshore world capable gateways client anywhere world. upgraded product launch approximately after resolution working capital requirements. elimination complex structure originally minimize tax liability reciprocal canada agreements. sound nature contributed transparency. should address improve operational efficiency clearest example overall restructuring. website exact structural provided shareholders years annual report.'' according prue. it seek approval change name global part strategy meeting. logo brand identify unveiled weeks. also wishes re-confirm no current consolidate share company. conjunction www.tropika.com redesigned updated may off time. additional information contact tel 416-674-1365 info tropika.com canadian venture reviewed does accept responsibility adequacy or accuracy release. contains forward-looking statements beliefs assumptions us. words anticipate believe estimate expect similar expressions they relate us statements. actual results could differ materially those projected such 2340 boss media bars the brits caruso i've just tried to set up accounts with two casinos new york and intercontinental be told they don't accept wagers from players uk what's all this about are we blacklisted joints too good has outlawed internet gambling since yesterday is common knowledge world but me fellow if you know score here please fill in on this. i opened an account no problem prestige so i'm a bit at loss here. 2341 maybe these casinos have british owners dave a if the are they probably afraid of legal problems allow citizens to play. this is usually what type thing turns out be. i would not take it personally. want all business can get. going pretty good reason for wanting business. 2342 net club slow pay almost no cash got a free 25 offer on 4-13-01 and played cashed out at 180. filled sent back one of thier forms with id both sides creditcard to them in april. they said send check 4-27 for 153 balance credit card. when i started asking about 17 days ago making excuses then wanted home address now new sheet say can not read the first 2.5 months ago. don't use because i'm sure will get anymail theat is their. also advertise that neteller but deposit my funds account are haveing finacial problems or just want me thanks reading this complain hopefully paid. 190 buy ins 1 only 2 casinos have paid other was ratedplayers think went broke. 2343 they totally stiffed me on over 800 nt northerndave 2344 problems john may if the owners are british they probably afraid of legal allow citizens to play. this is usually what type thing turns out be. for purposes law a wager governed by jurisdiction country in which it accepted. alarmingly clear and netcasino friendly. so i'm not sure those can weird. still frankly i would trust these particular operations any case its great loss. 2345 when did the opa promise to do that freddy it's bbb policy not take ads some sort of moral obligation. hasn't been caught in any lies. it seems me mr. may has with his foot mouth. must taste alright he's no rush remove it. 2346 boss media in general ... caruso still frankly i would not trust these particular operations any case so its no great loss. ...or do you mean those two mentioned new york and intercontinental 2347 the two mentioned... turnkey system john may reports on that i have read not been impressive and sites do inspire confidence too many damn windows opening . am aware of any specific problems with boss media. but i'm a great believer in period. if you were crooked individual thirty or forty thousand grand bank no programming managerial accounting skills offers opportunity to make fast buck then skip minimum hassle. this is say all are crooked. most not. personally only gamble netcasinos established offline operations. 2348 boss babe well then john i guess you don't gamble at too many online casinos. what say about gambling only sites that have offline connections is a very safe way to go but are limited as of choices. complaints casinos few far between. can't recall anything minor stuff. they owned by swedish outfit why allow gamblers from the uk beyond me. 2349 true scarce boss is about as safe it gets online. i have my reservations some of the smaller casinos which use this software but usa new york intercontinental bet vegas are not among few wouldn't play at. caruso may be right their ownership allowing uk players. a similar problem exists for canadians who cannot at starnet icrystal and other types because certain legalities. seems more difficult then players authorities will prosecute casino's. 2350 as an aside.. scarce ..a former canadian justice minister is now running at least one online casino. can janet reno be far behind hard to fathom the depth of hypocrisy involved with some these people except remember that money does indeed talk. 2351 did anyone get the newsletter from vegas strip casinos this weekend nt anon32 2352 i was right it pressure from pwc opa mary http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 002542.html 2353 perfection john may at a time when we should be thanking the opa for putting pressure on tropika and microgaming to do right thing are going concerned that there is an ad some casino their pages. i think too much being made of this thing. have put house in order past. they would done so case also-though opa's influence obviously helped welcomed. but remember us been fighting gambling consumer rights rather longer than or even internet casinos existence not always receiving any recompense doing so. stanford wong example has particulary honourable record exposing cheating don't he got paid directly it. 2354 sheesh john... opa mary why are you insisting on a dichotomy between volunteers no recompense and other such as stanford. or arnold. anthony. or... shouldn't we make big deal out of it can't enjoy the fruits our labor expect credit appreciation i've been working this for six months i'm still it. i want all gamblers owed money to see news so they can collect. that requires publicity. i'd like point tropika resolution is stiffed players not just members. which have consistently pointed in messages here. accept nice person helping instead dissing at every turn it's starting look pretty petty. if microgaming honors claims will result over 100 000 being collected setting precedent operators. don't think that's acid test going pass information collect owes them hope do. 2355 more than you'd think john may well then i guess you don't gamble at too many online casinos. what say about gambling only sites that have offline connections is a very safe way to go but are limited as of choices. virtually every european terrestrial casino or sportsbook has some kind operation-though the connection not always obvious research required. also by operations do mean it be gambling-related. because exploit affiliate rebates in addition bonuses am never short opportunity online. my risk ruin low owing small chance being ripped off bankroll growth proportionately higher leading large optimal bets and attractive absolute returns-if started taking risks with turnkey operators score no whatever would down like lead balloon. 2356 volunteers opa john may why shouldn't we make a big deal out of it can't enjoy the fruits our labor and expect credit appreciation i've been working on this for six months i'm still it. i want all gamblers owed money to see news so they can collect. that requires publicity. by means. but do question whether is due opa. sent mail microgaming too behalf one my disgruntled cccafe members spoke nice gentleman phone who seemed sympathetic called mark. used want-a-write-up tactic. sell about 20 000 books year threat not completely idle. have decisive in microgaming's decision frankly doubt ultimately its down their own conscience what outside lobbies only influence things minor extent. i'd like point tropika resolution stiffed players just members. which consistently pointed messages here. you accept person helping instead dissing at every turn already drew distinction between personally am sure are aside from your occassional flights truculence. problems arise because ambiguous confusing nature opa's relationship with member casinos. if run banner ads referral links natural assumption take those gamesmaster has explained flat-membership fee situation. ideal since conflict interest present worse arrangements exist. assumed adkins comments were pretending simply ran goodness hearts was obviously true an cj imagine everyone understands affiliate system also made. you'd actual arrangement then dropped issue. think should clarify netcasinos site looks bad be met bunch casino makes people naturally suspicious. 2357 speaking of ethics... opa mary i'd have to agree that the is more casino-friendly than advantage techniques you espouse. taking affiliate bonuses in addition player would be a violation our code ethics and we wouldn't able assist member such situation. players need some protection recourse but methods differ can leave it at that. 2360 i did why nt gnossos 2361 i'm probably missing something here but... gnossos because i exploit affiliate rebates in addition to bonuses am never short of opportunity online. didn't you say a couple days ago that return virtually all your ccc visitors or does the affilitate software enable single out own losses from those others click through site just curious 2362 i don't use my own links john may when gambling myself-its a bit too cheeky and many netcasinos specifically prohibit it. other sites have formal procedures for reimbursing players from affiliate cheques. 2363 casino on net 5 star caruso sent a message to via their web site and got reply back from so asked them con if is simply another version of they said no. started download the software see welcome . installation icon was named but otherwise identical icon. why does tell me entirely unconnected very confusing. should any official person either these places read this feel free comment 2364 your site john t what's site's url 2365 me too. they send twice a week still nt t 2366 have several but... john may the one focused on net gambling is cyberspace casino cafe at link below 2367 mine was a little late. thanks nt anon32 2368 for factor x cindy and anyone else interested hi if you're still looking a perfect-play program try mine it's free. http www.gamblingtools.net bj let me know what you think 2369 on the other hand... caruso ...all advertising casinos would lay claim at least to being honest. therefore they should never have cause be investigated by any watchdog organization including those watchdogs whose sites carry their adverts. that must an assumed agreement - advertise our site all means and pay for you advert but if customers complain about don't imagine we won't investigate with same dilligence operater adverts so who us . seems reasonable. 2370 cindy l r u... queen factor x not xy - a computer programmer great work. must have been interesting being 2371 anyone else have a problem here i was just about to try them. gnossos had downloaded netclubcasino.com when came across this negative post. has recent experience with netclub heard good things thanks in advance 2372 good odds anywhere out there daahli are any online casinos that worth a try the only games i've found so far where they shuffle after every single round or have merely 50 penetration - available with more penetration. hope someone can help me thanx in advance dan 2373 thanks queen cindy no but i took several programming courses in college. 2374 netclub no pay portia is a pay. and has never responded to complaints like magicoasis . they have been on opa not recommended list for long time. 2375 counting online is stupid scarce ..it's like banging your head against the wall. too much variance not enough penetration. look for bonus's and play basic strategy. if you do that you'll find hundred's of reputable or semi sites at which can make money. try www.themoneytour.com www.ezgambler.com 2376 rules for avoiding trouble opa mary here are some quick and dirty i've generated that will help you avoid the worst crapola casinos all use ezepay plantluck etc. do a www.whois.org with domains registered in panama belize costa rica grenada hungary any ex-soviet union nation phillipines bahamas without phone number 24 hour support if they can't afford it to pay you. call see works. java no download sites. this catches both unified gaming gss gss's many evil clones flash no-download sites--there whole slew of new cruddy casinos. 2377 powerbet bad news player's advocate here is another casino to add the scum list it seems that likes retroactively steal its customer's winnings. sent me a promotional offer about two months ago promising 100 bonus. this was an invitation by them get play. well i made deposit met their requirements and credited with promotion. even won bit. so far good. now later attempt cash-in these slime balls tell promotion actually for new players sorry therefore my cash in denied account debited 100. but doesn't end there. they have also decided don't want pay winning either. 30 amount of money unreal. take away promised bonus winnings retroactively. tried work out folks. does not phone support yes should been tip-off . very frustrating having send e-mails back forth friendly person tracy checked archives found her original e-mail inviting play no mention only she accusing fabricating note. our would never you guess what your did played. needs learn serious lesson customer relationship management. 130 keep from going cost because until paid intend warn all over internet. there coming. 2378 read the small print... caruso ...and make damn sure of terms conditions. once you have an email from them as opposed to a bulk mail shot stating clearly that you're entitled promo then and only go ahead. lucky nugget's phone support assured me some time ago i was 100 deposit bonus - course can play now sir will be credited presently. deposited didn't got back sorry not blah blah. caution pays. 2379 they don't just remove the bonus. steal it all. john walker you deposit 500 to play a promotion. get bonus of 100. and win for total 1100. she doesn't think played enough. so instead either asking more or worst case removing 100 steals everything out your account except original buy in. this is way powerbet operates what happened me. amazing me that do with no regard as customers behavior. if lived in united states right now would be jail. 2381 this casino belongs on the do not play list. dave a he was sent an email that made no mention of new player only. how many people out there think did get powerbet is claiming fabricated it. anyways gets and earns 100 bonus. then plays wins 30. doesn't deserves case it didn't enough. they conclude using their logic entitled to which him. so what do. take only his account but steal 30 in winnings as well. when prooves fact tell him could care less about customers think. i would have agree with john walker if woman u.s. she be sitting jail right now. course should everyone's 2383 a couple of questions gnossos thanks for posting. it seems unfortunate that there is typo in the line where states promo limited to new players. will lead suspicion text has been tampered with. i am definitely not accusing you just pointing out. more importantly what was justification taking back this player's winnings if indeed happened can't see how failing qualify bonus anything do with refusing pay winnings. 2385 nice try frank player's advocate this was the original text of message sent to me by powerbet ----- from powerbet.com support i have removed my e-mail address and name wednesday april 25 2001 7 27 pm subject your scratch card congratulations you can now take advantage our promotion please go following url claim http casino.powerbet.com orderscratch redeem.asp id kfuy47k casino account will be credited with bonus within 24 hrs. for more information regarding no mention new player here. think if anything did a little creative editing . responded made 500 deposit received 100 gave several thousand in action. fortunate enough win 30. then they claimed never promotion. see note below accounts - tuesday july 03 6 54 re it s choice dear thomas we offered is last email that receive us. sincerely tracy not first time had problems specifically frank. promised 40 coupon another march 28 1 29 off give on but cannot number as generated randomly. once completed required wagering add account. any further questions me. regards -----original message----- 10 just signed up registered real player. do want make an initial until find out what is. went into get number. when tried again said already use provide amount be. know this. vip saturday 31 12 36 withdrawal request winnings at audited result debit which were entitled maximum requested staff 500.00. after audit credit back total 650 neteller merchant amounting 364.00 thanks play wish all luck future well mistaken yet support1 thursday 52 form hi unfortunately clearly states terms conditions upon receiving query lost code would 20 based rule 11 however customers satisfied possible. good games jean case fact managed well. their disorganized. each other doing. promise something trial prove fortunately saved correspondence these guys. through hassle bonuses guest. one member promises or accept don't its fair later reneg it. event right confiscate winnings. keep 130 sure publicity deserve doing so. 2386 same experience... anon32 i did one of their mystery bonuses. it's been a while so can't remember details. but they said there was cap on the bonus not see any and none in newsletter got. it up to 50 think. way gave me 100 which should have got 200 removed from my account. since then changed wording newsletters. paid winnings timely manner. would play them again 2388 what was i thinking... player's advocate frank let me make sure that understand. you are telling did not in fact receive the referenced note from casino. fabricated this message followed made up instructions and miraculously awarded a 100 bonus. then just for fun gave your casino approx. 8k action. week when tried to cash had nerve think would actually collect only bonus error but also 30 won. don't know came over me. should have known better. other mistake earlier with all my fault as well. if powerbet promises 40 it must be some maybe at yahoo . could been you. am terrible. invites play someone else sent promotion. has no phone support why is 2389 frank take 100 back but why steal his 30 in winnings dave a if it is true he did not qualify for the then absolute maximum penalty to remove from account. i don't even think you should because your computer went ahead and sent him promotion. there absolutely no way that casino be taking away winnings. excuse this. demonstrates just doesn't customers are important. 2391 frank is mixed up player's advocate let me state the facts again 1 promotion was sent to by powerbet - tracy first claims she never any promotions then you claim that it an affiliate when i furnish actual from fabricated post your version of a with spelling errors promotion. 2 had no indication for new players did. and shows this. 3 computer accepted my this not disputable 4 made deposit in casino played tune around 8k have disputed 5 won 30 at 6 confiscated winnings 100 bonus these somehow are yours because although large received error account therefore anything longer mine will on board make their own judgements. if think justified his actions am sure he welcome poewrbet. or perhaps also send some promotions. can just own. maybe one actually accept it. remain them support powerbet.com they accused both receiving intended after fabricating furnished e-mail mention only accuses further per terms sent. stated what happened. want go through same headaches did choice. said all can. going now move other watchdog sites boards alert players. feel people right know. p.s. affiliated several porn sites. but since affiliates guess responsible. 2392 i ask again why remove all his money not just the bonus dave a ok he is entitled to 100 and there are some casinos out that very customer oriented will yank this amount back. suppose be smart enough get coupon in mail then read fine print determine it for him. but still do understand logic of removing 30 guy's winnings you losing customers because every time they collect only clean their accounts 2393 unified gaming bob fisher casinos that use software often give over 50 penetration in the 6 deck game. single game shuffles after every hand. between 2 and 4 decks with most 2.5 to 3.5 range. average is about 3 but a half time beats all time. 2394 unless... david matthews a game with 2.5 decks half the time and 3.5 beats 3 all time. unless it is shuffling negative counts positive counts. i assume from your statement that computer doesn't shuffle based on count though. 2395 willing to cut frank some slack gnossos first i'm glad that from powerbet seems be trying answer these questions in a reasonable manner. casinos have rule if you try withdraw before satisfying bonus requirements forfeit the and any winnings. it's stupid imo but there is something effect on powerbet's website. i am of opinion rules like this should included with every email offer too. your 'she jail' thinking doesn't seem justified dave. 2 posters who complained not previously posted much at all site. so while sympathetic inclined automatically accept their version facts. hoping has good for john walker's assertion he gave 8000 worth action his 500 deposit. funny. someone recommended 7 me last week. one them was netclub which got zapped here pretty hard. another powerbet. reluctant drop without keeping an open mind. 2396 correction gnossos it was player's advocate not john walker who said he had given 8k action. i presume then that his winnings confiscated under the same fine print rule about losing bonus and when withdrawing before satisfying requirement. again think this is a stupid but if what happened at least powerbet has an argument its actions were justified. however any casino does include such rules with every emailed promo offer should be thoroughly dumped on. 2402 they paid me... bill713 i played net clubin early may. cashed-in for a small profit and received my check within 8 days. 2403 not the case player's advocate gonossos puzzled as to why you would be sympathetic frank. there was no fine print in promotion. powerbet sent me a promotion directed specifically an existing player i typed my code into their system and it accepted should have been played giving them 8k action several times more than requirements won then had bonus winnings confiscated. is justification for this. none. later claims that offer received from affiliate. when showed they claim fabricated offer. this bs we all know it. want play at guest. am taking business elsewhere will continue warn players of these scum. dave right she jail. don't confiscate someone's like that. crosses line. may gotten 130 but going make sure other are warned. protect each what plan do. if decide pay rightfully mine let people know. 2404 won't play there due to controversy nt snakehunter 2405 all the money bj player hey frank when are you going to answer question it doesn't sound like a trick me besides this isn't first complaint i've heard about your casino before. 2406 there. somebody finally said it nt freddy 2407 i skipped the bit... caruso ...about his actual receipt of bonus evidently there could have been nothing in small print denying entitlement since he went on to receive bonus. maybe a concerted e mailing support line would make them start regret their actions. who is frank obviously pb rep but can't find any recent postings from him. 2408 list is ok for starters scarce here are some quick and dirty rules i've generated that will help you avoid the worst crapola casinos all use ezepay plantluck etc. undoubtedly true. do a www.whois.org with domains registered in panama probably though i have gotten few cheques from there. belize yes stinks. but had bad experiences also. costa rica lot of rtg sites so i'll take my chances wait overnight express which now taking month. grenada there no problems..yet. hungary windows magic oasis. problems maybe been one fortunate ones. any ex-soviet union nation sounds scary enough never phillipines don't know. bahamas again can't really generalize such fashion as warning this may be useful. without phone number 24 hour support if they afford it to pay you. call see works. maybe. toll-free something look e-mail respond. java download sites. catches both unified gaming gss gss's many evil clones too cautionary. good slew prefer whenever possible. flash no-download sites--there whole new cruddy casinos. microgaming has bunch only i'd go first pass on most others. vegasusa2 ok. useful online players veterans it's still gamble putting money anywhere. experience helps. 2409 just trying to be fair but in your corner now gnossos puzzled as why you would sympathetic frank. well i like it when a casino comes here answer charges of misconduct. it's jumping into the lion's den. frank seemed have some reasonable points. especially his point about bonus code being either 5 characters or 20 characters. that is consistent with my admittedly limited experience this software. i'm sure are aware players made against casinos only revealed who were most egregious sort multi-account hunters. that's what was concerned here. however been getting back-channel info both and john walker guys. so sorry if lack whole-hearted support annoying. i'd annoyed shoes industry such disarray burden proof on you. 2 posters report bad experiences at site looks pretty rest us. 2410 frank is gone... gnossos and he seems to have taken his posts with him. definitely don't understand that. 2411 should rtg sites be on the list buridan despite lots of suspision about ug my experience with several them enterbet 5dimes bali oldlv etc was fine overall both in terms game some bad sessions very good - definitely nothing to complain and reasonably prompt payments. other hand really take forever pay which makes me suspect that at point payments will simply stop. most these are located costa rica say payment is handled by their merchant bank panama. even have a reputation appear real lousy as far actually paying money opposed just saying your approved example inetbet. anyway i would put proceed caution rather than generalize sites. 2412 some of them definitely are dave a you have microgaming cryptologic and boss media that the most reputable groups casinos. underneath is starnet rtg ug. not all these bad but there real casinos within each categories. even has had members in general average casino going to act professional manner vs. one rtg's will leave your withdrawal sitting for two weeks. 2413 he blew up the thread dave a you notice all his posts are gone. that's because deleted them. this resulted in being blown and mess we looking at right now. i myself have so guess i'll say it is to do so. may not known what would happen. 2414 chicken hit frank bj player why run and hide if you are not doing anything wrong. 2415 powerbet makes good player's advocate i am happy to report that has decided pay me the full amount of my withdrawal bonus and winnings . moreover assure instant payment they paid via paypal. now satisfied with their resolution this matter. as promised will cease posting about them. 2416 right choices here - i'll also stop posting dave a you made the decision to post your experiences with them and are making now. i will about them. 2417 unified gaming has gone downhill opa mary sites used to be pretty good with just that withdrawals processed only once a week caveat. but they've gotten much worse and i wouldn't recommend them anybody who doesn't understand all the hoops they have jump through get their money. plus big winners are stalled worst if not shut out entirely robot excuse. look at these posted terms from bring me luck leave your wallet casino we will processing redemptions on sundays evenings effective 4 01 cut off time is 8 00 pm est. you must wait 15 days before can request first withdrawal including initial deposit. any outside us require fax authorization form. credit backs take 3 business show up in card account. provides one free redemption each customer every month. this goes via bank check or back card. cannot redeem more than 1000 per week. may also sent wire western union reserves right amount deposited send under 250 regular mail. checks 50.00. deposit win of extra funds class mail only. receive payout union. reserve charge fees associated additional monthly following based 20 40 10 transfer costs deducted remaining player's account after requested deducted. balance sufficient cover actually received by player. cancel forward excess minus players' selected costs. 2418 powerbet bj player glad to hear it. 2419 this is a lesson for everyone including myself dave as you can see from my posting i am having major problems with casino. should have read all stuff before gave them anything. after reading get some idea of what their attitude towards winners is. learned now make deposits. don't the same mistake made. everything policies giving any casino money and do be very careful unified gaming casinos. 2420 mark francis and jack stroll of golden place make the phone busters list opa mary yep head security for palace other boomerang sites before they renamed companies... http www.phonebusters.com eng charges_arrests findbyname.html f 2421 the good bad and ugly gnossos i've had varying results with ug's recently. getabet delivered a sizeable check 4k to me within 7 days of cashout. offshoreaction was even faster smaller it took ibet sportbet nearly 6 weeks credit my account sizable bank wires that i sent them. they kept saying their did not receive until faxed them confirmation from citibank money been credited costa rican bank. see posts above under bringmeluck . also tropicalbet recently cancelled some sports bets futures were going against these made before cancellation. scary promos sites keep getting better. that's usually sign financial trouble. 2422 thank you - and its free factor x thanks for programming this bj analyzer. i have been busy lately not had enough time to fully appreciate. will be taking a closer look at it within the next few days. from what seen like it. covers usual deck rule changes. again thanks. 2423 ur welcome cindy but i would strongly caution you against counting any online casino with the exception of acropolis which have yet to try. as far all other casinos go who knows if they're legit know for one am not convinced... anyway analyzer is perfect real-time in that certain calculations take a while perform. instance worst-case scenario 2-2 vs. 2 h17 8 decks takes 5 seconds calculate on my 533-mhz celeron. forunately most hands less than second calculate. and fast computer like an athlon or p4 should see about 50 reduction calculation time. also thought i'd mention couple perfect-play programs out there. 1. pba latest version only 2. bj2021 although don't think this true perfect-play. same price blackjack subsets mere 10. 2424 on-line casinos-reliable factor x thank you for the information -again. i have only recently begun playing casinos. believe that overwhelming majority are fair. do questions about fairness of microgaming sites however. played at stanley acropolis a number times. during recent promo 2-1 bjs over 8 hours because and won substantial amount money in low 4-figures. granted is small time sampling. but their site which 6 decks shuffle after 2 there lot good casinos out there. unfortunately way to beat most them by taking advantage generous bonuses they offer. 2425 golden riviera posts player's banking info on www.winneronline.com opa mary http ubb forum1 html 002578.html it doesn't get much stupider than this. plus they stiff him 85. 2426 www.whispergame.com windnsea owned by craig williams. ripoff alert. opa mary this company operated casino silk and lady bug bingo leaving many player unpaid. registrant gaming services whispergame-dom 5125 count road 101 suite 102 minnetonka mn 55345 us domain name whispergame.com administrative contact billing wg550-org no.valid.email worldnic.net 505-882-4751 fax 123 1234 technical worldnic host host-org namehost worldnic.com network solutions inc. 505 huntmar park drive herndon va 20170-5142 1-888-642-9675 record last updated on 28-jun-2001. expires 13-jun-2001. created 13-jun-2000. database 6-jul-2001 08 06 00 edt. servers in listed order ns1.bingofire.com 216.38.218.61 ping.atomicservers.com 216.38.220.2 2427 opa advisory casino towers do a chargeback mary the has been advised by owner of that he cannot sustain business. suggests to players owed funds they chargeback. states his ecash processor claimed 96 rate date. 2428 tropika chairman to start new casino targeted at gay market opa mary hear the private placement memorandum on www.casinogazette.com adkins show. 2429 why oh factor x is this the same casino towers that steve adkins advertises for on his on-line radio show does actual voice promotion site i believe. what number one reason gets these sites into trouble - besides cash flow it because of overly generous bonuses poor management or just curious. 2430 reliability cindy i was refering to the fairness of casinos that offer countable games such as unifed gaming sites. anyway proceed with caution if you want try your hand at online counting. you're results may deviate far from what is expected. non-countable go trust bossmedia and crytologic former more than latter. 2431 unusual single deck caruso 5 dimes casino ug . - free mode. received two four of hearts in one hand. 2432 poor management dave a there is lot of competition out there. are over 1000 online casinos today and few more pop up every week. just like any other business if you managed poorly will go business. the may fall in area marketing accounting software selection. major goofs each these areas. sometimes how treat your customers powerbet retroactively removing winnings something we have already discussed. no question they don't stop doing this 2433 has gr stopped sending checks anon314 they've told me they are wires and but i still am waiting on payments from mid-may late-may mid-june. until get payment i'm not playing there any more. do reverse paypal deposits real quickly yipee if you don't paid. hope this tropika mess didn't screw them. it is my nightmare that said sent out for while keeping the money themselves. 2434 someone reported this happening at another ug site kathleen turner overdrive i can't remember the site. but know it was a kto 2435 infinite deck caruso probably a sign that far from being single it's simply at best an rng. hardly surprising given doa das hole card and surrender but extraordinary they don't control this blatantly obvious betrayal of the con. are these places incapable honesty why not offer averagely bad - straight six-decker like stanley acropolis do get kick out it have any business sense 2436 golden riviera posts my personal info dongambler i have discovered it was the owner of manual frank who posted informtion on a player's board. he full name bank aba number and own account number. real nice huh that is after they owed me over 1 000 for 2 months now not paid. sent e-mail with no response makes claim fault because didn't respond to their e-mail. whole exchange at wol if anyone interested. 2437 not just a csr the owner did this pretending to be opa mary my guess is that gr really short on staff right now because aps was disbanded by tropika. anyway somebody stupid should involved in casino business. he's insisting they are igc members. no apology posted yet. 2438 gobal player bj watch out i'm convinced that global-player cheats i played there for a period of 8 hours on and off experienced the biggest crop bull hit ever seen. i've gone though losing streaks in my time but continue to lose no matter how high count was about 90 when raised bet. i'd play 5 hands counts above per deck continuously get 13 14 15 16 maybe 17 or 18 last hand dealer would show 10. now if didn't bust stiff them course always had another 10 ace hole. did he damn hole this went like clockwork entire time. it's good thing not roller have lost ass. you counters beware doesn't us at all. forgot mention double down opportunities things. anyone agree 2441 i thought it was a low level clerk. this is unbelievable dave let me make sure understand correctly. the owner of golden riviera posted your name and banking information on public bulletin board very clerk who would probably soon be losing his or her job. you are telling there absolutely no excuse for crap. company deserves all bad publicity that can possibly generated. simply unbelievable. 2442 why count on an online casino sam global-player shuffles after every hand. counting is useless... 2443 response bj player not on the 6 or 4 deck they don't. check it out. 2444 totally agree red174 i with you bj player. have noticed the exact same thing. think it is beyond chance or regular deviations. lost consistently in both real money and guest game modes. also things have. every time count gets sky high get dealt a 13 14 15 16. without fail something definitely not right there. thing where if hit stiff hand against 10 bust dealer always has 3 4 5 6 hole. stand 20. would suggest that other players check this out mode see they come to conclusion. personally will put one more dime into place. 2445 not that simple gnossos why doesn't this happen more often then i've never seen 2 identical cards in my hand and i played a hell of lot ug bj. mind you don't know if the game is honest or not. i'm pretty sure it used to be dishonest. eventually stopped playing for ev now they've taken away early surrender who knows but getting same one's single deck sounds like bizarre aberration rather than evidence anything. gnossos. 2446 but enough for me caruso bizarre abberations are all very well when an industry exits on a lot of tentative trust it doesn't take to rock quite bit. if stray four can materialize out the blue how about couple extra fives and sixes good measure in their single deck 2447 bj player global to as we are unable identify your account respond message until can carry out a proper analysis of game logs. if you had contacted us would have been able supply with report from our statisticians. please send details soon possible. support global-player.com 2448 plus 5 caruso with the presumably weak pen if they do deal into deck as you say can't be more than 30 surely i find idea of counts bizarre. also believe that trying to beat an online game by counting given can viable in anyone's lifetime and a less infinite bankroll. having had cursory look see nothing bj section which says don't shuffle after each round - only when shuffle. this may slightly misleading but taking bit for granted presuming no means is dealt into. course have missed something somewhere. besides why chose casino over real thing aside from geographical restrictions 2449 opa warning gcash galaxiworld ivegas casinobeyond mary there is a major problem brewing with these casinos. we recommend that you avoid casinos until the problems of non payment has been worked out. involved are www.galaxiworld.com www.ivegas.com www.casinobeyond.com 2452 how is net entertainment software i always thought these guys were gss. nt anon314 2453 no problems scarce casino domain cherry and one other place use it that i know about something like sportbet or similar sounding . this is fairly fast java without annoying disruptions. have prompt service with a 100 30 offer. they do wire transfers for free but cheques will cost you 20. overall never had any problems. wish all sites were smooth. 2456 screen shot bonusplayer caruso if you had a that would be some nice evidence vs. this slimeball operation.... 2457 unfortunately not nt caruso 2458 new net bj player needs help mr. grim which site offers the best opportunity for counting also does annouce its shuffle report of decks used 2459 my advise kathleen turner overdrive forget about counting almost all sites shuffle after every hand those that don't have a very shallow point. also if you're going to gamble online get counceling for anger management and stress reduction. believe me when you start having beg grovel paid it will come in handy. kto 2460 as stated... scarce ..numerous times on this board and elsewhere counting online is not the best or most advisable way to play one poster even suggested it was a stupid proposition . take advantage of numerous bonus offers web. basic strategy with mild progressions forget about all rest. isn't rocket science. here are some links for newbie players. read everything then go back again www.thewizardofodds.com www.gamemasteronline.com www.casinomeister.com www.winnersonline.com www.ezgambler.com www.themoneytour.com www.fatbonus.com also heywood's article at www.rge21.com in section. 2461 stupid proposition john may one poster even suggested it was a . i think is the right word though emphasize am not calling any stupid. counting online leads to virtually certain ruin or at best extremely poor return on investment. 2462 thanks grim for the good advice. u make on-line gambling seem pretty unattractive. i might just stick 2 in vivo experiences. 2463 thanks grim thank u for all of the excellent info. 2464 counting online bob fisher try acropolios global-player and unified gaming. all specify the number of decks when they shuffle except gaming doesn't tell you it shuffles anymore but i found out how to anyway. acropolis makes a riffle sound between 100 104 cards dealt. with if discard rack is orange just shuffled. although agree other posters that there are better things do than count would suggest only in addition not instead these things. 2465 your thoughts bob john may i tend to take advantage of the co-variance at games like baccarat which does wonders for cover bankroll growth even though house edge is higher. have you done any studies on optimal betting bonus qualification my impression counting a game with shallow penetration acropolis that small extra gain not do much compensate volatility. 2466 gpc are cheats ace_madfella no doubt about it 2467 i disagree caruso you don't give your reasons for there being no doubt . personally believe strongly that microgaming bj is fraudulent but can't make such concrete claims as global player my own experience extremely positive think and are way off the mark would having done well. if hadn't might be crying cheat now also. worth mentioning i've not tried their other than free play mode seemed fine. whole operation to me at least seems very professional. referring an unsuccessful counting endeavour need experiment more time before making certain claims. given average online pen say another millenium or so anything less has statistical relevance. 2471 has anyone stopped receiving the vegas strip newsletter nt anon32 2472 collect game data via videotape for the gamemaster's analysis volunteers wa opa mary details on www.gamemasteronline.com your playing sessions mail 'em to master and his team of crack college students or conscripted office staff will compile statisitcs by software post it site. 2476 golden comps finds a new reason not to pay sbgc they owe me sizable chuck of money. closed my account for gross security violations. the main violation is fact that there has been action at 2 different casinos same time from isp addresses. yes you cannot be playing one casino while your wife plays on another computer if both accounts are in name. 2477 it looks dodgy t i'm not defending what they have done but lt sure must look to them when you appear be playing in two places at once. probably think multiple bots running. anyway why doesn't your wife play under her own identity 2478 this online visa card is okay the l next allows transactions. i use them all time with no problem. even called and asked right out if they allowed casino charges said yes. so what fuss about just card. 2479 why sbgc most casinos don't allow more than one account per household due to bonus abuse. now it's only player household. if the play is at 2 different what's it them 2480 they are not even correct anon314 how do know you were playing golden comps while your wife was the other casino of course it is all bs no matter what but playing. 2481 you won't earn reward points for gambling purchases... captain jack the next card was initially popular with gamblers because amazon.com version of allowed 2 cashback in form gift certificates. however does not allow to redeem those when they see that used purchases. from what i've heard customer support is very weak at card...in fact there's little on weekends. if get a hold put your making multiple online purchases couple hundred each there no way situation resolved weekend. furthermore require lot faxed information prove identity should card. 2482 what's the deal with paypal t does anyone know if you still have same refund rights as opposed to depositing direct a credit card. reason i'm asking is that i've deposited some money in casino via and getting very nervous about their intentions. they promised me an instant bonus which did not appear now ve stopped responding me. i want cash out money. do oblige chargeback. question can chargeback deposit 2484 re paypal robert send me the name of casino i may be able to help. isthata.com 2485 unified shuffling spiller bob fischer you mentioned that know a way to tell when they shuffle the gaming 6-deck game. mind sharing with us 2486 gamemaster and wizard discover moon palace 140 poker yeah right opa mary color them skeptical about the whole thing. http www.gamemasteronline.com indexa.shtml 2487 playtech software a5 down loaded city club casino a while back... i have two is anyone else getting the were not accepting real until 8 1 2001 message when making deposit. any opinions as to play games on-line connected server. craps game fairly good at 2 with 5 6 behind. vp seems ok 0.25 and but decidedly worse even big stake. 21 20 separate sessions. thoughts all 2492 net casinos for football bob burns does anyone have experience with nfl large bets and being paid the whole thing scares me once dollar amounts are involved. i would love to hear about good or bad experiences. 2493 intertops wsex etc. kathleen turner overdrive there are a number of offshore sportsbooks that pay. an example is the two listed above. also take look at www.theprescription.com for list other reputable sites. kto 2494 banned from vegasonline.com bob dear mr. hubby it's a pleasure to be of assistance. please note that your player account hacienda as been banned. an international company we require some documentation you insure the security holder well casino's. this will also fast and hassle free process when submit withdrawals. send agreement forms for visa credit card last four digits 1231 make sure include copies front back copy picture id. can find form needed at following web addresses http vegascasinoonline.com html agreement.html soon receive documents update with all information. appreciate cooperation hope have playing our casino soon. best regards jordao wolf customer service representative vegas online believe i winning 627.00 do not play site. need go after these guys any help. am providing anymore info they proven me are crooks. 2495 uh...just fax them the documents... captain jack i'm not sure why you've been banned ...but it seems if you required documents your cashout will be processed. most casinos these days require authorizations. have a scanner scan card front and back photo id. merge into one .jpg then keep handy to attach an e-mail when they things. did refuse authorization in past that's only reason i could think might ban you. 2496 yeah.. scarce ..if they don't receive the info will block your account. normally there is 10-14 days after receiving a withdrawal notice that stipulate forms must be sent in. i'm with captain jack on this one. send in frigging and negate any future hassle. 2497 also majorwager.com and acesgoldcasino.com nt x 2498 tournament blackjack online. 1 shoe adam is anyone interested in a website that has one tournaments. i am the process of developing site and trying to see if people would play at site. only game have you compete against 5 or 6 others. each person pay lets say 25 enter . deck shoe. wins most money get purse.. purse be all players fees minus fee goes dealer. entry change so more possible higher bettors... payment paid via paypal other systems same time.. immediately after over... please email me dealsforyou excite.com let know post feeedback here suggestions comments.. 2499 for sure ace_madfella i would play if it was unlimited hands and you had to at least 60 rounds each game lasting a week 2500 software t good idea. i'd play. what would you use for this 2501 sick freak i would be up for this as long it was fully ligit 2502 casino merlin changes withdrawal terms opa mary now as at other rtg sites withdrawals are authorized once a week and limited to 4000 week. only one free of processing fees month. these not the on their site they have notified players change unless player inquires after noticing sitting in software listed pending . is bad about initiating contact period. if require faxback form lock account wait for them. multiple times. great bonuses lousy service. 2503 this casino plays a lot of games with respect to needing documents dave my friend has sent them faxes three times. once you send in fax they keep coming up more that want instead giving all their demands front. casinos sign off on your credit card charges and copy identification etc. goes way beyond what is reasonable. notarization tell about it after have already first fax. now the notary's stamp be ink rule second utility bill because choose not get mail at same address as one license third for requested payment few hundred dollars. purpose frustrate point decide play balance hoping hit big then only if having go through hassles. that's why every time there problem paperwork return amount are cashing out player's account rather than leaving pending which most do. i don't fault player complaining. 2504 bizarre demands caruso the most requst i've had has been please delete software re-install it make a further purchase then we'll process thed request and send cheque . twice from casinos using same software. one finally paid up other gone silent. i agree - tedious enough maybe poor winner will eventually give up. i'd be interested to know if anyone else this demand. 2505 chargeback collection screwed i just got a letter from agency regarding was forced to do. the stated have 10 days dispute this debt and that they represent online casino. anyone ever happening or any advice on even responding bs. how can attempt collect don't owe did not authorize 2506 collection agencies have to follow rules dave a you may want check with your lawyer on this but i believe can get them off back by following certain procedures. the online casino is willing give agency chance since most likely working contigency basis anyhow. don't be intimidated agency. if owe charges then pay them. 2507 yes but... screwed can they report this to credit bureau's as bad debt should i even respond the letter received from collection agency certainly have absoulutely no intention of paying bogus charge. 2508 don't pay bj player if they cannot prove you are at fault i do not see how it can hurt you. have charge back rights with the credit card company that is why use isn't i'm dave on this owe them. 2509 pro's om on internet djm has anyone tested gary's the pro extensively against an casino what profit loss 2510 you first nt anon314 2512 ebets.com the counter i tried to play at casino they said that there not accepting deposits from us. has anybody else had this problem with or any other casino. 2513 yes scarce many casinos for one reason or another restrict areas which they deem to be a problem usually legalities of some sort. with the us there are will take bets from most states but not others. it's murky business. other reasons include fear credit card fraud includes all former soviet republic . mass co-operative bonus abuse such as is alledged by vegas strip casino's rtg against denmark. relatively few online accept wagers it largest market in world far afterall canadians somewhat paradoxically have rougher go it. regulations both countries almost non-existent at least non-enforced because canada leading software manufacturer starnet softec and quite others also does lot e-processing kanawake becomes convenient necessary canadian wagers. look www.themoneytour.com if you're unsure don't see any mention whether you can wager an casino. 2514 best software snakehunter realtime gaming microgaming i-net.... i know rtg has been blasted can scarce or one of the others who have played online comment please... 2515 matter of taste scarce you have to look at a variety factors. first and foremost is reliability having your credit card or whatever pay method use refunded quickly. also if win the payment should come quickly with least amount hassle. secondly game fairness concern. it really dealt randomly are going be screwed put as bluntly possible. thirdly speed something which play requirements large it's better able faster. fourth expectation. i don't value this one very highly because most games -.50 lower. unified gamings supposedly positive ev has gone by wayside so for part all pretty much same on net save some anomalies like atlantic interbet about negative 1.00 so..all that considered proviso individual casino operations may vary within any software group here my ratings microgaming 1.excellent 2.very good 3.poor 4.very boss media 3.very 4.good multiplayer excellent single player cryptologic 2.good mode 4.adequate real time gaming 1.poor 2.poor 3.excellent won't rate starnet i-net little no experience those brands. would not advise anyone playing gss tech iglobal mgm casinos. further warning i'd avoid java flash casinos until scrutinize them carefully. these totally subjective course. you're starting out stay top three listed. own risk sites. can profitable but headache. get feel wet safer 2516 playtech b.v. software--club dice casino bobby has anyone played this software or at club they have a 20 bonus up to 1000 but i never heard of casino. out there bobby. 2517 good post but . kathleen turner overdrive you have 5 rating columns only 4 software brands listed. what is the fifth bottom sw brand kto 2518 money vanishes from accounts... anon32 read all about it on www.winnersonline.com 2519 sorry... scarce ..the last one was for unified gaming but got cut-off due to some clumsy editing. 2520 concerns about global player possible non-randomness caruso i wonder what any statisticians around here might make of the possibility going 30 000 hands without hitting four deuces jackpot in wild vp given that hand should hit once every 4900 attempts on average it seems an extraordinary feat for a random game equivalent to approx. 300000 royal. this may be within reasonable expectation i'm not sufficiently up with maths know exactly kind sd represents but does seem raise spectre and tweak software preventing from landing side by turns 100.76 optimal return into something like 96 . requires substantial bankroll at least 2500 units weather ravages variance why bother firing away potentially doctored am out line anybody have similar or contradictory experiences 2521 ok that's what i thought and . kathleen turner overdrive agree almost 100 with your ratings. an addition starnet 1. excellent 2. very good 3. 4. adequate 2522 two chances in a thousand colin caster that given 30 000 sample from fair game such as you descibe will be duck-free. since the hypothesis was made post hoc fresh data set should used to test maybe not on your dime though . btw probability of getting certain hand take and raise it power number handss question. case 4899 4900 30000 .0022. cheers 2523 not a big deal woody i'm professional statistician but since your expectation is 6.11 quad deuces then getting zero unfortunate incredible. i believe its just over -2 s.d. had run at one casino playing full pay jacks with nothing better than flush in 500 hands which similar likelihood to result. i've played there once and the number of houses received close expectation. btw how long does it take play 30 000 2524 thanks this is a good site but please answer nt bobby 2525 selection bias john may since the hypothesis was made post hoc a fresh data set should be used to test maybe not on your dime though . exactly. problem is that players start taking anything begins look non-random. they are effectively an infinite number of samples and its unsurprising discover something weird. claims cheating have been because dealer busted too infrequently at blackjack or got many snappers bizarrely frequently one gentleman convinced abnormal twos were being dealt even he getting more than his fair share tens. i'm immune from this paranoia. i had cheated by bait-and-switch scam during stanley acropolis 2-1 promo. saying caruso out lunch here lot crooked outfits do exist it just pays wary sample bias. 2527 thanks gentlemen... caruso ...for your appreciated responses. colin for the info re. probability calculation. i'd like to know where you can actually get hold of this kind analytical video poker. i asked david matthews if there was software on a parr with best bj market and he reckoned dancer product is although it can't do certain functions about. john defer much greater knowledge am heartened by reaction that my suggestion not accusation non-randomness could be so paranoia but one in 500 shot bit extraordinary. should point out all over approx. 50000 hands i've hit six quad deuces four happening at lower denomination play very first after just fifteen swings roundabouts sheer regularity early hits puts sudden long run against higher level questionable light me least. woody playing 700 per minute 30000 took 42 hours glad hear similar experiences gp are currently looking game logs whatever means. general look their outfit speed professionalism customer support does lead question integrity confidence has taken mild battering. 2528 warning warning...1casino.net red174 just wanted to let everyone in on a situation that is still going with 1casino.net. i recently tried withdrawal my deposit and winnings from them they told me 1casino.net was having problems the credit card clearing house firecash. representative firecash basically ran off bunch of online casino's money...which find very hard believe given firecash's reputation. although casino promising payment by sept. 4th would steer clear this until have been paid. heard through research similar casinos use excuse as stalling tactic delay or enough time pass so consumer exceeds limit do chargeback their card. hope not what doing but only will tell. keep has an interest posted well immediately posting if am paid full. 2530 700 hands per minute wow - nt another anon 2531 zamzow dancer colin caster thanks for the info re. probability calculation. i'd like to know where you can actually get hold of this kind analytical video poker. i asked david matthews if there was software on a parr with best bj market and he reckoned product is although it can't do certain functions about. program find expected frequency each hand e.g. just pulled up dw found that quad ducks perfect play once every 4909.103 hands -- information you're looking does have an auto-play feature too but it's not really efficient as simulation program. still would think hard come better vp investment than tomski's vpsm perhaps close second. regards cc 2532 speeding bob fisher i need to ask you some more questions about this. claim played the game at 700 hands per minute assume that this is a misprint and meant say hour but still find hard believe. did play these 30 000 global-player due cheating concerns in bj haven't there while when deuces wild had speed limit which they were upfront was lucky get half speed. poisson distrubtion can be used solve problems of type viz. probabilty various rare event occurences n trials. 2533 misprint. caruso yes i did mean 700 hands per hour the game comes in three denominations - 5 10 and 25 cents. denomination subject to a speed limit of six or so minute is highest denomination. it's practically impossible for me anyway play at cent one played fast enough generate an equivalent win rate you'd need go 15 minute. have however noticed tendency even this be restriction approaching unless it was simply software getting bit sticky. 2535 inetbet may be going bust anon314 just got off the phone with these clowns. i have had a withdrawl waiting to authorized for over month. they say problems payouts . customer service rep can not how long it will until pay me. he could tell me people who are getting paid now been waiting. another month or two minimum. please play their bonus deal so money 2536 casino netclubcasino is the same shit noname dont you ever play at netclubcasino. i have won 800 and they blocked my account cancled winnings. said used 2 different credit cards on day but its a lie. only 1. 2537 just got paid after 2 months buridan i 2000 wire transfer from inetbet this is about the seventh 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dealings with netclub i've found they at least have an organizational structure and customer support dept. i'm sure details of case...but it be a fairly easy thing to prove if used two different credit cards why that problem though . i recommend badgering them until their case. 2541 thanks for the info scarce nt snakehunter 2542 roman palace caruso apparently there were problems with this casino a few months ago. anyone one recent experience 2543 looks like i am going to get paid nt anon314 2544 gss are bad news as a rule of thumb. nt anon314 2545 new casino software 100 bonus morris hello everyone if you are tired of the same and games experience this with over 40 games. - up to 75 in your first deposit. weekly comps 20 friends referral more... go http www.royalclasscasino.com 2546 just say no. anon314 bad software and no 800 number. two strikes you're out 2547 vip section claire rotebourgue do you have the software looks so graphic which is good for me. thanks in advance 2548 answer 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believe. numerous complaints all web. bother. winner's playground again there in three times tried so know how pay. seemed ok. usually bad. c netclub 25 low wager requirements. web about non-paying locked acounts poor etc. pay on side. own has been ok haven't played while reports just too almost accounts worst site. worldplay hearsay put money. had nerve. lots large unrated sci fi see above worldplay. odd thing give smaller bonus's blackjack than video poker other games. twin aces new it yet. seem slow process things perhaps will change. 100 100. enterprises blue sea no idea. think more pointless. net also negative. 2560 addendum scarce the online casino smallish place with a 25 offer but only 1 min's. not much experience here as they have few offers. paid quickly. b for windows yes d would been ok too. i was writing more from my own them i've played quite times without incident and like netclub consensus view than limited experince what seen has about 90 negative. alluded to previously rtg software is tricky play. it unlike real blackjack you're probably likely find save complete scam artists. among major brands plays slot machine predetermined payout. play at your risk. that said wouldn't doubt won money sites reputable cryptologic boss combined. business practices may be seamless these better brands- which hardly case most sites- offers are rtg. if headaches concern avoid altogether. take ratings grain of salt. they're intended guide based on experiences part. 2561 i think their blackjack is normal sirius i've been very lucky with rtg and microgaming this week. seem to be consistently winning on top of bonuses. had bad streaks but also extremely good streaks. remember 3 s.d. losing when started playing have since. last night a streak in microgaming. play grandbanks again although said wouldn't while ago. they pay quickly paypal now. still don't know where are licensed though. just keep blackjack. three day 30 bonuses the couple weeks more than every 5 hands required six times through. haven't seen anything unusual. win each time. looked dodgy ago for week all time too played thousands hands. it doesn't matter which casino. tried new one won eight first ten including bj's pushed hand lost other. then at another casino went up 26 units 60 bet 2562 global player dw 80 return caruso sam my history on the game is actually a bit different to yours. your 14 loss rate at 270 hands per hour represents an extraordinary 20 shortfall - approximating bereft of royals deuce quads wild fives and st. flushes. staggering. i'd like know just what this in terms sd. personally after 15000 5 cent level i was soaring with 4 one royal. hitting royal graduated 10 lost lot then some more quite . provided copy play logs which looked fair but they would. fact went grand total 25000 disputed 30000 figure deuce-less finally giving up when it became evident that money being poured into bottomless pit almost straight line down precious few swings bore no resemblence any kind version. course may be simple fluctuation jury still out as far i'm concerned. however not them benefit doubt extreme contrast experience between two denominations enough for me feel non-random although statisticians will tell sample woefully small making such claims. choice. you have problem firing hard positive expectation that's notoriously fluctuatory knowing by about 300000 i'll begin realistic chance realising advantage fear invested flushed toilet. 2563 global player sammcdon hi caruso like you i had much better luck at five and dime than 25-cent. they also said fewer hands the number that recorded. there is something definitely not right about some of games here. in near future will show have changed random generators their video poker games. if anyone interested a non-profit site lists recommended online casinos http hometown.aol.com allcasinosrated.html 2564 grand banks referral...and more... captain jack i've received the referral 75 twice...with no problems in fact i didn't even need to request it. just send postcard person you are referring and bonus is your account day after they deposit. on whole agree with ratings. only differences would be i'd rate casino extreme as an f obvious reasons netclub get a c my book. long stay their good side have great bonuses. however bonuses started decline there recently. one tip recommend for rtg casinos using paypal much possible. had very few delays withdrawals when paypal. it also avoids check fees some have. 2565 could well be scarce my ratings of extreme and netclub reversed. i've played at numerous times with no problems. only once or twice soon after they opened. bad reports all over the net have kept me away. most were based on a significant amount play. few infrequently not mentioned in notes. your mention other payment methods is something i should mentioned. various rtg sites accept paypal neteller firepay. using any these get quicker also avoid some stupid cheque charges that golden comps 5 roses will pass off unwary customer. 2566 credit cards that don't decline bobby i have used next card first usa and citibank. is the best because they charge any interest or transaction fees. does anyone know of other work thanks in advance. 2567 try your credit union's visa. pablo my visa card works great. no fees. also they haven't been charging me interest on the average balances apparently because there are so many credits back to card. i really don't care why charge anymore only that don't. another hint when their security department calls verify a casino transaction tell them you want receive such regarding transactions. of course is some risk in doing this but it eliminates slew calls. good hunting. 2568 correction gss casinos are always bad news dan t mann unlike microgaming and rtg keeps full control of the banking at all their casinos. it's not just a matter few rogue operators with gss. 2569 pwc tropika the l anyone hear from them i sent in faxes and was told papers would be in. else 2570 catn' cook disclaimers caruso player understands that the game is for entertainment value only. player's interest in and web site personal not professional entering casino solely own any other entrance access use or reuse of by strictly prohibited. this a morons only disclaimer i find it rather sinister. 2571 entertainment value woody i find winning money very entertaining. the disclaimer prohibits such activities as inviting your neighbours to play on account and charging them an additional 10 fee for example. 2572 can you really get an edge on online casinos serge i was wondering if there is someone in this page who could give me testimonials of true winnings at and so how do the or it realy luck 2573 i've made a few dollars john may i was wondering if there is someone in this page who could give me testimonials of true winnings at online casinos and so how do you get the edge or it realy luck sign up put minimum amount action required to take bonuses then split. no special training required. has nothing with it. gambling one forms which can have variance all. 2574 see this article scarce at www.rge21.com under internet gaming got milk why ecasinos pay usually by bill haywood. in it contains about everything you need to understand how works and can be so profitable. forget counting online. it's easier just the bonus's online casino's seem willing offer. 2575 unauthorized charge raphael donovan from rtg site registration opa mary got an of 49.95 . this card was used only at casino extreme palace chance and winners playground. 2577 me too. bobby i got an unauthorized charge recently for a porn site. had to cancel my card. the uncanny part is that it was exact same amount of 49.95. have played at palace and casino extreme. sounds suspicious. 2578 paycom.net porn sites raphael charges of 7 17 and 18 the original mary posts at fatbonus winneronline casinomeister looks like somebody has stolen obtained a bunch gamblers' credit card numbers info put through charges. does processing for many sites. 2579 49.95 wolf star just a wild guess but could 50 be threshhold where greater scrutiny is applied to credit card charge 2580 raphael donovan 49.95 the l me too 49.95. i did a charge back with no problem. you may want to let your cc company know about these posts. and they were very pleased did. said it helps back. is good them are making bona fide claim. stated so far has not contested my 2581 bit outdated john may haywood can take the credit for making online advantage play credible but even when that article was written i thought he taking on an unneccessary amount of risk with his approach. don't like to say told you so after unfortunate morse arbitrage meltdown think software is going be a fairly minor consideration amongst many in selecting reputable operation. look primarily publicly quoted operation jurisdiction gaming board or other regulatory body real teeth. 2582 powerbet rtg c.c. refund demands caruso played - for the first time. hardly high roller stardom 50 deposit bonus. lost bonus although game seemed reasonable after required play. in order to even simply credit card they require a fax back form including id and scanned copy of my i can't believe this what are playing could understand if it regarded substantial winnings but simple is real find staggering think people out there scanning cards sending them via insecure email fax. thoughts appreciated. 2583 it happens scarce this is the routine at rtg sites. golden palace and it's affiliates also do this. reason purportedly for better customer security more likely to stop any future charge-backs by . usually there a standard of some sort such as winning's over 500 accumulated or otherwise 200 least something. i had similar problem with sci-fi casino but was told an automated reply my cash-in that since hadn't won anything faxback would not be needed. i'd either e-mail them about phone ask manager. if you don't feel comfortable sending all information in whatever method play online casinos which it. players know routinely cancel their exisiting cards have replacements sent fear problems around. 2584 disagree scarce haywood can take the credit for making online advantage play credible but even when that article was written i thought he taking on an unneccessary amount of risk with his approach. i'm not exactly sure what you're saying here john. methodology which espoused is still valid. seemed a bit too paranoid about being barred that's almost insignificant worry today's bonus hustlers and suggestion 5x requirements or more cover purposes archaic. some casino's are now routinely asking 8x 10x deposit action. extinct deposit-and-bonus salad days. don't like to say told you so after unfortunate morse arbitrage meltdown think software going be fairly minor consideration amongst many in selecting reputable operation. this statement entirely. look primarily publicly quoted operation jurisdiction gaming board other regulatory body real teeth. doesn't yet exist. publicy traded companies fine essentially all indicates profitability smooth cash-handling processing hopefully unblemished track record free scandal. wait second does sound rather good it 2585 wish it didn't caruso the reason purportedly is for better customer security and more likely to stop any future charge-backs by . quite. bizarre reasoning that a customer's can be breached having his credit card credited but not being required supply details fax or email if you don't feel comfortable sending all this information in whatever method play at online casinos which ask it. next time i'll read small print. constant on microgaming software lulled me into false sense of re. smoothness payments. as european probably rules out rtg sites may blessing although i must say game seemed almost recognizably realish bj spite losing bender approaching exit point. your response much appreciated. was interested see braved sci fi after non-rated rating gave hope wasn't too painful. 2586 valid methodology john may i'm not exactly sure what you're saying here john. the which he espoused is still valid. seemed a bit too paranoid about being barred that's an almost insignificant worry for today's bonus hustlers and his suggestion of making 5x play requirements or more cover purposes archaic. some casino's are now routinely asking 8x even 10x deposit action. extinct deposit-and-bonus salad days. true. course haywood can't be blamed that its just pace change online. i don't like to say told you so after unfortunate morse arbitrage meltdown but think software going fairly minor consideration amongst many in selecting reputable operation. disagree with this statement entirely. why important understand potential risks gambling example starnet given their history police raids background porn business volatile management structure-even though most operations have been hitherto honest. simply trusting because they putting all your eggs one basket think. interested views. look primarily publicly quoted operation jurisdiction gaming board other regulatory body real teeth. doesn't yet exist. great britain effectively regulates ladbrokes william hill stanley acropolis numerous casinos sportsbooks. technically it does power over offshore operations-but practice if these ripped people off would rebound politically on high st terrestrial bookmaking casinos. at very sensitive time when pressing gb deregulation inconceivable do anything dodgy. probably case books who branched out online i've heard good things aussies haven't researched properly. 2587 reply scarce i don't like to say told you so after the unfortunate morse haywood arbitrage meltdown but think software is going be a fairly minor consideration amongst many in selecting reputable operation. disagree with this statement entirely. why its important understand potential risks of gambling for example starnet given their history police raids background porn business and volatile management structure-even though most operations have been hitherto honest. simply trusting because they are putting all your eggs one basket think. i'm interested views. still major when choose new casino play at. reasons being that can reasonably sure same practices e-cash processing payment mehtodds will adopted as proven successful at another place. cryptologic in-house about secure fort knox. boss media similar. microgaming large various groups within larger group. lesser extent unified gaming real time what would call hands off approach clients. vary wildly here knowing able weigh risk versus gain deciding whether place or not. course there smaller casinos which such bad record reliabilty complete nonsense paint them brush avoid. could write lot on subject right now. look primarily publicly quoted operation jurisdiction board other regulatory body teeth. doesn't yet exist. great britain effectively regulates ladbrokes william hill stanley acropolis numerous sportsbooks. technically it does not power over offshore operations-but practice if these ripped people rebound politically high st terrestrial bookmaking casinos. very sensitive pressing gb deregulation inconceivable do anything dodgy. probably case books who branched out online i've heard good things aussies haven't researched properly. my main concern getting completely gettting deposit back having charges never made suddenly appear credit card. happen quite rare even worst sites there. itself has monitored closely. shouldn't tweaked during bonus times certain occurs brands. gripe. random always mean casino. it's hard validate based small amounts. anecdotal experience saying rtg while more mind enough continue anyway prepare worst. cheating by difficult detect. tweaking take forms from subtle ridiculous. few weks ago vegasusa2 had offer unfortunately everyone lost shirts. evidence was me avoid it. commonly understood among us happening. no really surprised either just price playing online. message boards net were filled harder geting future. goes around comes around. 2588 hacker fleeces cryptologic john may fascinating article. looks like a collusion scam between casino and to rip off the insurer me. 2589 craps captain jack i could see how a hacker change the payout ratio of video slots but does one dice probability unless course their game is not truly random. hmmmm.... there no positive publicity that come from cryptologic releasing this information. i'd be suspicious about an insurance scam too. 2590 casino extreme... captain jack i only play palace of chance out those mentioned...and haven't had any unauthorized charges. it wouldn't surprise me obviously if extreme was hacked. still contend that a hack-job how 1900 mysteriously disappeared from my account there. suspect is matter time before some indisputable evidence brought down against this place. 2591 casino on air wil not pay player's advocate this is a warning to all of you. if you play at and request withdrawal will get paid. furthermore their customer support non-existent. i have been waiting months for payment form these guys. they promised send it fed ex. even sent tracking number. me number parcel that arrived in pheonix live california. the individual e-mail addresses owners business as well list websites advertise. do paid by end week be positing them publicly. also filing mass complaints forums. am sick tired being ripped off scum. decide keep up cost lot business. 2593 and crypto still paid dan t mann what really impressed me most about this incident was the fact that cryptologic winners. i hate to sound like a shill but lot of net casinos use any excuse they can think not pay. is very refreshing change imho. now if only i'd been playing some craps during little incident.... kudos 2594 agree wolf star they never paid me a bonus months ago to which i was entitled in spite of many emails got no response. this is one the bad ones. 2595 i stopped playing them over a year ago nt anon314 2596 powerbet steal deposit - further to earlier post caruso having deposited 50 with and been told that a fax back form was required refund for non usa players i hit the withdraw button intending within 24 hours as requested . here is our exchange we are not in position credit your master card due international restrictions. can pay you via paypal or neteller. please visit banking page at www.powerbet.com select method then place withdrawal request bank. sincerely tracy powerbet.com this after being on phone all required. made visa mastercard information they obviously have. attempting contact discovered number no longer worked evidently if customer phones immediately record disable it somehow. make suggested only available so tells me use mechanism impossible my reply imagine mean require correct have ready send. mastercard. confirm refund. tracy's extraordinary rejoiner trust going deny charge some do. just want be upgraded vip may send back. what am denying she repeats her suggestion none of which surprise mentioned website. an extraordinarily aggressive tone how did upset b again card. uk player needed asked meant insult me. try support find it's somehow disabled. looked option bank says used even had account do yet couldn't receive way explain either sitting account. don't know upgrade means but reasonable solution fine. received attempts communication ignored. 1 complex methods likely cause many give up play lose their remaining deposit. 2 showing readiness fulfill requirements will fact previously stated now ie. by allow 3 thay vague unsubstantiated accusations. 4 them subsequently block number. conclude stolen money. these crooks peril folks. 2597 missing something here scarce if you deposited via visa can choose either a normal mail cheque or pay for the other options such as courier. wouldn't be able to use paypal neteller. probably there's been some mistake going on. powerbet aren't nicest people but they do fairly quickly almost rarity among rtg sites these days . straighten it out e-mail before accuse them further. 2598 you are misunderstanding them anon314 they said mastercard instead of visa. big deal. that's not a lie small mistake. in tracy's extraordinary rejoiner she is trying to tell that going let get your money without form if withdrawl by paypal. letting paypal even didn't deposit doing favor. just reply say misunderstood and then request every rtg want those fax back forms no matter what. it send in. protect themselves from people who charge back. 2599 missing what caruso if you deposited via visa can choose either a normal mail cheque or pay for the other options such as courier. missed title of my post i'm not talking about winnings simply original deposit. straighten it out e-mail... how does one do this when all communication has ceased from their end ...before accuse them further. before going silent on me they laid down impossible conditions withdrawal deposit ie. only paypal neteller which according to rules in banking section are valid methods credit card therefore money is technically unreturnable . thay have stolen it. way an invalid accusation 2600 anon413 nailed it scarce don't jump to conclusions. not all these places are crooks. really if you're this paranoid why you playing online in the first place i can think of better ways improve one's mental health. 2601 i don't think so caruso they are letting you withdrawl by paypal even if didn't deposit paypal. said to them - looked at the option in bank and it says only have deposited with used a credit card had account do not yet couldn't receive my this way were case that allowing why would then simply tell me no longer replying. anyway one of their rules cc has go back via ecash merchants there is mention on website. exactly how many potential players going play know order re-acquire deposits open pay 2.9 charge for received funds come on. she trying let get your money without form...they doing favor. ...every rtg want those fax forms matter what. big deal. just send in. form...so these statements seem contradictory. however will more shot communication find out newly-opened can be i'll post result or lack thereof. 2602 i don't... caruso ...play online for my mental health. do you silly comments didn't expect 2603 d'oh scarce you don't understand sarcasm either man...take a pill. 2604 just call them up. anon314 you can often communicate better over the phone than with e-mail. if don't get anywhere rep ask to speak manager. accuse of theft or anything and remain calm. take a valium something try again in an hour so their line doesn't work. number is 888-242-3841. it listed on page http www.powerbet.com main.asp section support . also do not have pay 2.9 for received paypal funds from them. only time need when someone pays off credit card. merchant account at paypal. this whole process too stressful perhaps shouldn't gamble online. will be spending much your filling out forms asking people where money is. either that play vp gss casino. then never worry about withdrawls 2605 gamemasteronline shows gss software is rigged. anon314 go to the link. thank goodness i never trusted them in first place. opa received screen shots of control board which controls payouts. 2606 wall of silence from powerbet caruso you can often communicate better over the phone than with e-mail. if don't get anywhere rep ask to speak manager. thanks for response and i totally agree - always by given option but as stated they have disabled number somehow every time try call it ringing tone then line goes dead. are still not replying emails. should accuse them theft what their behaviour gives reason believe may yet refund my surely insignificant deposit will be spending much your filling out forms asking people where money is. in fact i've never had any these hassles mention played mainly microgaming casinos who experience beyond reproach all matters. btw gamble online same reasons do this has been one two unfortunate occurances which would seem i'll take on chin. 2607 look in your account anon314 when an rtg cancels a withdrawl the money should go back into account. just send fax form make another and everything smoothly. of course if they cancelled is not you probably ask them about this 2608 you'll get your money t powerbet are the 2nd best rtg casino out there. there obviously has been a breakdown in communication due to misunderstanding when they kindly offered let you withdraw via paypal without geting faxback off you. just do as anon314 said and try again i'm sure will money. if were going start stealing i think they'd hit accounts with plenty of not 50 account don't btw where abouts uk from 2609 has anyone had any experiences good or bad with www.windowscasino.com kent information would be appreciated. thank you. 2610 it was always there caruso yes the money is in account right enough - they returned prior to email at beginning of thread i pasted my initial post however regarding fax form cuttings from that powerbet we are not a position credit back your master card due international restrictions. me imagine you mean require correct have ready send. pb trust going deny charge as some players do. just request withdrawal via paypal or neteller. their last communication which latter snippet does mention simple would been adequate gave them opportunity when bank section message only if deposited with appears so cannot use this method. following an earlier suggestion yours sent deposit made card. suggested can receive into even though didn't paypal. no problem i'll give details. did reply. think i've showed entirely willing either send wretched b but simply replying several messages and phone number say working summary before stopped paper work although see specifically asked attempts withdraw tracy's result warning mentioned specific inquiry whether could somehow be enabled case has responded all other emails after blunt response few days ago. really face total silence don't know what more done. decide resume fact. until do i'm entitled regard whole affair highly suspicious for persuade otherwise 2611 ok..no problems for me scarce i've been paid quickly with no hassle. others have complained about their association magic oasis but i experience there. windows seems to be having more offers recently too. 2612 where chipster looked all over game master. 2613 go to the video poker page nt gamemaster 2614 preferable for powerbet to hit the low-rollers imo caruso if they were going start stealing money i think they'd accounts with plenty of in and not a 50 account don't you. but assumption may be that low rollers will disinclined persue small sum whereas high kick up fuss misquote phrase many swallows do summer make . there obviously has been breakdown communication due misunderstanding... my replies them have clear as bell you see look at quoted email thread initial post. is no possiblity misunderstanding had misunderstood why would seek clarification go silent on me sod it - i've already chalked this one experience anyway. are 2nd best rtg casino out there. hope contenders top spot god help those third place thanks your response. 2615 they are not to be trusted. anon314 you can find plenty of places better than this one play. just about as bad it gets. 2616 honey and vinegar asap do you think perhaps were angry lost your temper with whoever communicating if that is true then maybe they are stonewalling to spite you. this may well be screwed. in cheat mode it probably doesn't matter whether naughty or nice. 2617 honey always best approach caruso i maintain absolute courtesy even when sourly tried. i've pasted the entire email communication with powerbet about 15 posts up entitled steal deposit if you feel like checking it out. 2618 cc's no longer work at rtg bobby i mainly play casinos. finding that has a become major problem. was using citibank and next card. today neither of these worked. told by visa mastercard are requiring the 3 digit info from back card before they will process transaction. is not yet set up for this. hope change their software soon to allow input security code. in meantime it looks like firepay paypal have do. does anyone know any cards worked as recently doubt because said applied all visas mastercards. 2619 ok for me too postman i had trouble contacting them with questions about their faxback form but eventually it got settled. my first withdrawl of 800 came in 5 business days. actually was amazed. the customer support feel is nonexistent you're just another number system. 2620 i like them cindy quick refunds and they have full pay vp nickels though . 2622 moderator are postman and cindy posting form the same isp nt anon314 2623 no postbuster not as far i can tell 2624 what is better about cc's asap this not intended as a sarcastic question. i am bonus newbie and wonder why are than firepay or paypal. 2625 you can play on credit. nt anon314 2626 also... dan t mann besides the dubious benefits of being able to gamble with money you don't have there are a lot advantages using credit card. most casinos will re-credit your card for initial deposit fairly quickly week or so while sending rest later by some other means. otherwise wait until casino has processed request obtained stool and dna samples done thorough background check etc. before get anything back. my bank started giving me hassles i preferred visa debit mostly this reason. may rewards from cc company just it. assuming you're disciplined bonus pirate online gambling can improve rating. financial institutions used look kindly on users who would regularly use large amounts only it paid back like clockwork about later. finally as last resort do chargeback if is refusing pay you. must stress that an absolute because put industry-wide databases effectively end career forever. 2627 however 5 cash advance fees make my cc unattractive asap this is an mbna visa credit not debit card. 2628 your visa card charges a fee nt caruso 2629 mbna james had a policy of returning any cash advance fees when the deposit was refunded. if you usually out even or ahead this makes fee almost irrelevant. course now they deny most gaming transactions altogether which above statement irrelevant as well. 2630 mbna strange but true i have used card for many of my online gaming transactions. amazingly returns to the credit also returned cash advance fee even though was never charged on initial deposit. it didn't make me rich is nice get a 30 bonus from casinos 1000 2631 no more 25 full pay at sci-fi nt cindy 2632 mbna just reduced my credit limit another anon from 17k to 1.4k. they said did a random check and saw that i had ton of money out on other cards decided it was risk let me have large line. won't get talk the department tomorrow but rating is very good i've never missed payments any only about 1600 mbna. think they're fucking with because used them for on-line places so many times. believe read others their accounts closed by continuous gaming too. 2633 yes spells r-i-s-k nt scarce 2634 i haven't been able to use my mbna for months nt anon32 2635 ditto j.o.b. 25c for some reason nt caruso 2637 they are on the not recommended lists everywhere dave a at opa and casinomeister.com this casino has made list. what do if you have large payment request simply pay claim reason paying is because player bad fact list refer to one that started put their after telling won't you. 2638 powerbet has a history of stealing money using variety excuses dave they steal from their players wide excuses. simply do not like to pay out. this may be because are having financial problems or maybe is the first business management every operated and think it ok treat customers way do. casino recommended lot people have had with them. 2639 i can second that player's advocate they will lure you in with promotions then when cash out its audit time . find creative ways to take back the money gave you. and if awarded a promotion deem should not have win confiscate your winnings so deposit 100 get play balance up 500 be lucky let leave 100. this place is avoided at all costs. 2640 confused scarce ...you probably meant magic oasis which did do all the things you mentioned. opa and casinomeister are linked both in their services some personnel. at one time windows was on respective recommended lists. for record pay quicker than almost any other rtg sites. i wouldn't play again reasons listed by poster but as i've said here before business practices vary widely with sites using this software. 2641 poor choice of handle scarce i and other's here who have extensive playing experience rated powerbet consistently in the top 4 or 5 rtg sites since they opened. this probably says something about general but it also points to fact that some us never had problems say experienced despite our numerous sessions with customer service ease rapidity their banking system. really find whole thread irritating. if is such a terrible place just wait till you play against rigged software your deposit does disappear mysterious charges card suddenly appearing did not authorize. there are so many more much worse places put money that's it's funny. no comparison whatsoever. 2642 i appreciate... caruso ...contributions from sources other than the powerbet fan club. there are so many more much worse places to put your money that's it's not funny don't think that singing praises of somewhere just because better absolutely diabolical operations is particularly justified. if they look like crap leave credit card in wallet things be doing with hard earned money. expect service and i'll grumble get it. take s i've had elsewhere. really find this whole thread irritating. who obliged you a read it b respond however case may have made good. when do post fact. 2643 to player's advocate caruso i remembered a thread some months ago possibly regarding powerbet about retroactive removal of bonus plus winnings emailed them at the time united we stand felt and on spring cleaning my hotmail inbox earlier found their response - that you were player in question. if it's any interest can paste here or email it you. 2644 feel free to post publicly... player's advocate yes that was me and you can it publicly if you'd like. i don't play there anymore have no personal interest at all in powerbet. scarce every right my experiences this place. powerbet wins 4 out of 5 stars then keep on playing there. think a casino steals money from after has been won is worse than rigged casino. will continue with on-line casinos players decide for themselves they would like or want simply dismiss what say. everyone entitled their opinions. 2645 a rejoinder scarce i'm not member of the powerbet fanclub. i do have extensive experience playing at rtg sites and find they're one better ones as they pay quickly. other players who i've corresponded with report similar experiences them. some caveats is in same league microgaming boss media or cryptologic for reliability customer support speed ease payments etc. those places are more pain than it's worth to get your money. search my ratings all sites. you'll also see disclaimers. reason said was irritated by this thread unfortunate choice words used posters. everyone shares their instance were writing all-encompassing hyperbolic statements if truth. important board ask other's who've done online years draw on experience. many guys know made money quit tired ever new forms bullshit ensuing headaches will cause. 2646 windows and magic oasis owned by the same people opa mary don't forget that they also sold card counting software at time were compiling a list of advantage players to ban. 2647 re. ratings caruso i gave powerbet a shot specifically because read your and noted the b . also that sci-fi was unrated having just played there myself can tell you from my point of view they deserve damn sight higher rating than great courteous support fast payment. at end day everyone's experiences will be different. choice various posters' words unfortunate is an entirely subjective opinion based on own experiences. can't imagine why other players' negative eg. two posters are invalid. 2648 well then caruso the dispute on this site was initiated by a player we are not allowed to disclose his identity whoa have abused our promotional system before and now he tried again use promotion which is intended for new users only. debited bonus from casino account because after debiting of 100 balance 61 short cover deposit big dispute. finally having representative reply some questions board deleted responses they were distorted same player's advocate credited back credit card suspended with powerbet casino. type players go all casinos make promotions distorting truth try take advantage casinos. open any authority audit or establish circumstances if you need further clarification would be more than happy assist you. extraordinary assume sake argument that pl. ad. trying it get an illegal pb so incompetent as let happen - give him wasn't entitled out question imo should honoured whole deal at very least only removed bonus. remove winnings unpardonable. tantamount saying lose good win we'll anyway . i no doubt deposited in faith who stupid enough one past them they've got records christ's sake. know who's isn't. how do distort write rules abide them. it's their software. why don't just come clean see bonuses assholes 2649 will not repond player's advocate i did lose money here their version of the events is incorrect. they are liars. note from them dear xxxxxxx you have used coupon pyy8m3pbhwv9kxdpfjjn which only for new players and received 100 bonus. we debited your casino account with to retrieve bonus 30 winnings made wagering sincerely tracy powerbet sure how came up witht he story above confiscated promotional but my winnings. responded a promotion that sent me via e-mail. this was personally inviting play. nothing said having be player. played per its terms won money. when cashed out audit began. amount removed also decided take as well. pure bs. after spelled everything on bj21 including posting notes kept looking worse worse. finally agreed pay what rightfully mine then all postings. these people thieves 2650 truth player's advocate i am simply posting my experiences with powerbet. and yes the facts. do have extensive on-line experience. personally would rate them in lower 5 . this is opinion. others may had better them. 2654 english harbour new software 100 for nunu hello interested in trying great www.englishharbour.com is offering a first purchase bonus and old players. come see all the changes at 2655 casino-on-net reneges on roulette promotion factor x september 26 2001 casino-on net ran a very interesting promo for 2 hours only the numbers 0 and 7 will pay 70 -1. an outrageous promo. actually too good to be true. i have played number of promos here before. some require deposit. others do not. within context explanation nothing was said about specific deposit requirements vary from above it required 150 dollars. not any anyway won sum money in hour half. totalled 3990.00. this bonus amount placed my account next day. told friend mine that did think would get paid. player had 97 per cent advantage over house. e-mailed them they comply with conditions offer.at bottom section newsletter says minimum must daily event. now other state how much is - varies. past newsletters sometimes stated which meant no required. one important note newletter anywhere particular but all listed page. varies con management after review replied unless otherwise always necessary make 50 participate promotion. first true participated without depositing ones specifically what requirement is. secondly if h--- am supposed know dollar newsletter. has been problem these on-line casinos. you when win small may hard time collecting should big.frankly casino decides there little consumer can change situation. knew beginning. aware swimming sharks so. appears probable positive collect 3100 dollars 2-1 blackjack at stanley acropolis ago. pay. 2656 followup factor x someone over the net correctly pointed out to me that reason for my confusion is promotion conditions stated within their casino site newsletter are different than website promotions page. nowhere on there a deposit requirement mentioned this particular promo. requirements other promos but not one. two promo pages dupicates of each other. 2657 if a promo seems to be too good true... another anon make sure you dot your i's and cross t's before hand. get in touch with them verify anything that can think of even it is listed the promo. 91 edge want you're following all rules i asked about deposit before-hand they told me had 50 sometime during day also whether wager money 2x after receiving or not yes have . were would try very politely explain how their wording caused confusion maybe they'll surprise you. luck 2658 super sticky bonus read the small print nt post 2660 the online casino is a slow pay. anon314 expect them to keep your money for several months and lie you constantly about progress of withdrawl if win much at all from them. 2661 rtg casinos stealth i find this is true for just about every single real time gaming casino out there... 2662 mistook the online casino for in above post. tco is slow. nt anon314 2663 con winners babe i'm not going to get into this 'have deposit' rule. i just want state that your win is small for promo. there were many players who have been credited with high 5 figure bonuses some 6 figures. we will wait and see if they paid. 2664 casino-on-net factor x babe i would be interested in knowing how you happen to know that many people won 5 and even 6 figure bonuses the world this for sure 2665 reviewed it -refused factor x i played this promo to the letter of law as was written up on their website. newsletter site did have differently. someone told me a deposit is always required. do not recall that. believe that one at con require earn 10 points - receive 25 dollars promo. if anyone wishes see what website says file. nowhere does mention deposit- period. 2666 tco has always been slow nt anon32 2667 not really sticky players buddy the bonus is sticky. when you deposit 100 will get another in a account . play all your bets come from account. if lose be depleted by amount that bet. win real credited with and move. unless every single hand for intent purposes to withdrawal bonus. example are betting 10 per after hands able entire balance. so 20 300. sure why they have these two seperate accounts. hope this made sense. 2668 i'm in the same boat tom drop me an email factor and we can compare notes. 2669 as i read it... caruso players must wager at least 800 in order to cash-in any amount of their real money balance over and above the player s original purchase amount. bonus credits may not be cashed put into play once received ...the first 100 bets comes from no-cashable tokens. after that is gone. so place a lose it cash out. win 700 conservatively given fair game you'll out profit. tokens are never cashable. good deal for aggressive on roll. 2670 hmm scarce always play the required amount of wagers. if you meant wagering 100 on a single hand i don't think this would be very wise. make 800 will barred later. as player's buddy pointed out is not really sticky bonus your wagered first. 2671 easy caruso my point is that since the bonus non-cashable if one faffs around making minimum-ish wagers until reaching wagering target as i usually do then will be somewhat depleted and you'll only able to cash out original purchase. they don't put any restrictions on cashing your deposit at time however. it would seem always withdrawable. so me best course of action bet lot hand you lose - call a day. win play conservatively wager target. allowed plus remainder winnings over above which should first 100 small losses acrued conservative wagers. never breach minimum requirements that's asking for trouble. 2672 if you lose 100 can cash out all that's left players buddy its very simple. as soon and meet the minimum bet requirements i belive it was 800 everything. prefer to on a single hand until that would work. did this for three casinos. already received refund back my credit card firepay am waiting checks surplus be received. won at two of casinos lost third. 2673 regarding earlier posts powerbet makes good caruso in an thread i expressed concerns that had stolen my deposit the face of aggressive email from tracy followed by total silence. learned reason for silence was support staff take weekend off unique experience and incredibly inconvenient but there you go. having deposited credit card web site says as most do all deposits will be returned like manner told a reversal not possible. however paypal or cheque were alternatives. chose method. this resolved satisfactorily very quickly refrained posting until hands it now is. is simply misleading on matter so it's hardly surprising confusion arose. they are cleared suspicion far i'm concerned. 2674 big surprise nt scarce 2675 of course they pay up dave a the fact is negative publicity campaign if done correctly will often work. players should note that this what necessary to get paid by certain casinos. posting isn't your idea online entertainment then be selective as where you bet money. 2676 investor needed for casino hotel project phil we are building a complex and looking capital. willing to give up stock or good interest rate. if interested e-mail us at unicornkey yahoo.com 2677 pay under pressure players advocate these guys make a business decision on when they will customer. first find way to not you and in my case even confiscate winnings . if think can screw get away with it no lost future revenues do it. start negative campaign finally cave after realize that hurt them. i don't this is any run business. sure but only feel going them the long run. how many customers just nothing accept 2678 on-line gamblers at severe disadvantage factor x most are a when taking on these casino. oftentimes the casino management is sole arbitrator of disputes. i currently am in dispute with casino-on-net. however this time decided to fight them. casinos under no legitimate regulatory agencies. gambler has court law by which challenge rogue casinos. personally would not recommend anyone get involved exception minority. one thought that casino-on-net was safe bet. they not. 2679 whoa cindy the progressive 8 5 jackpot at intercasino and other participating crypto sites i'm assuming is up to 29 600 - as of 10 4 15 pm pst on dollar machine. 2680 microgaming offers 500k bounty on pirates opa mary golden palace and the other boomerang casinos switched to a software provider than last year. now geisha lounge king solomons lucky liner have also same software. firm that wrote this is unknown. group of were exclusive users for long time. clients provided by odds on. recent press release found front page www.winneronline.com site owned cryptologic great interest. aaargh mateys thar's price some developers' heads if it be shown they've comitted piracy i'd remiss in me duties i didn't let you know about advantage play comments departing licensees 05 october 2001 - advises two its operator groups ceased using company's online casino well known imposes very strict regulation operators. microgaming's service provides continuous upgrades improvements pricewaterhousecoopers reports programs allowing players maximum information control protection their play. new features incorporated launched will enhance these advantages. highest player jackpots gaming industry. roger raatgever stated since largest supplier inevitable company lose operators from time confident continue prosper grow use unique pledges part providing with services ensure entertainment utmost integrity security pleasure. considers key success development innovative value added products associated intellectual property. as matter general policy therefore announces standing reward up us 500 000 leading successful prosecution civil or criminal any person corporate entity has pirated unlawfully profited 2681 no they offer up to 500k nt lt 2682 conjecture bill haywood interesting that the reward was offered in same news release as acknowledgement golden palace et al had left mg. if they're offering a big we can be sure they've run across some bootlegged software of theirs and want to do something about it. palace's anonymous looks very similar microgaming's here mg is press mentions gp. might there microgaming code nah why would they violate copyright when just go write their own for million dollars. 2683 i too will conjecture... opa mary it has almost been a year to the day since golden palace parted ways with microgaming and switched this software. at that time in all intervening they claimed was their proprietary now we are being asked believe is written by cytech software limited company independent of palace. strangely provider does not have site selling how likely purportedly supplied aquaonline an ebusiness setup portfolio www.digiturf.com...a hosted on kahnawake reservation. as far know met any regulatory scrutiny other than kahnawake. 2684 i need your advice not my usual name this boards on how to handle a situation with an online casnio. let me begin by saying that rarely wager the internet so experience casinos is limited. maybe what i'm experiencing normal and just don't realize it due novice status. here situation... signed up casino won 200 in very short time period. was happy win decided play anymore. proceeded bank section of software cashed out. somewhere along way sure read process would take two days begin. waited saw no changes status account emailed received following reply please accept our apologies for delay processing cashout request. we have been much higher than amount cashouts over past weeks are behind several days. catching quickly but still behind. will be completed within few advised longer process. again thank you continued business. sincerely stacy ok fine. they're backed up. problem. five more again. steve should tell guy advise...he's called already twice morning we've him response.... sheryll isn't steve. assume hit instead forward mistake intending seek from superior. also didn't call them once ask questions about documents they wanted fax which turned out problem - sent immediately . certainly morning. email any response. reference wasn't. sure. at rate its week progress based letter looks like going get personalized latest email. understand takes procedure has begun refund appear credit card check winnings arrive mail. haven't even started later can tell. these sorts delays there something doing differently advise. thanks guys. 2685 get used to it players advocate let me guess its rtg. this is normal so you need happening. if have been waiting only one week feel lucky. rtg can offer great bonuses but cashing out be very painful. give the casino name i am sure others tell how long took them 2686 i agree anon32 if you play online this is something that the norm. get paid within a month feel lucky. 2687 but i will get paid right nt not my usual name 2688 wait a little then bug the heck out of them anon314 three or four weeks. call. get their bs excuse over phone. take written notes what they call you. if tell you something like it will be done monday up tuesday morning and bitch again. ask to talk manager. wednesday. thursday. friday. saturday. sunday..... by that time find easier pay than keep on having your phone calls. think this isn't worth don't play online. unless feel waiting two months for money instead one month. 2689 my thoughts not usual name doesn't this type of business practice discourage people from playing at their casino again i'd be much more inclined to play a site which paid faster. unless the bonus was outstanding. 2690 like anon314 stated... anon32 online play may not be for you. you will find the majority of sites take their sweet time paying players. it can get aggravating at times but they pay if bug them enough. 2691 they don't want winners to play. anon314 just like real casinos would rather not deal winners. unlike many of them are smart enough realize that some people who advantage players win. if you lose 50 -95 your deposit will refund the balance credit card quickly. 2692 what else is new factor x i have been waiting 24 days now for grand banks casino to forward my winnings paypal. your message reads almost identical the messages that received. a number of on-line casinos and cannot honestly recommend one believe gives good overall service. every lacking in some area. more importantly there are no organizations can turn effective action. industry totally unregulated. if you get burned then these companies just found another sucker . am ahead between 3000 4000 dollars over past 5 months however besides this 5000 6000 remains unpayed or dispute. gotten tired all this. imagine people who paid lost 1000's years. phased out accounts. would not gaming anyone. 2693 of course it discourages business caruso it's extraordinary that they don't grasp this simple fact. a long line happy small time losers - or few players cleaned out. which alternative offers term profitability makes you wonder who's in charge these places. if was your first online endeavor can i suggest give microgaming shot they're reliable good games great customer support and pay fast without quibble. btw rtg are we talking about 2694 it's just business as usual kathleen turner overdrive from you description i can tell this is a site that uses real time gaming software. they are very bad with withdraws. i'd say your chance of eventually being paid about 90 maybe higher. check in them every few weeks for month or so. after start bugging days. if run by the vegas strip group won't be two months more. their casinos include eworld club mardi gras regal cleopatra americas-online casino runs online casinos. low rent and seem to have small bankrolls. but usally pay once someone else comes loses money. welcome gaming. kind thing par course at almost out there--fun ain't it - 2695 grand banks will pay t you. they are one of the better rtg sites out there. from what i've heard have a massive backlog paypal withdawals to get through. i had wait almost month my money via paypal. got it day after complained them so maybe if you shout loud enough you'll your quicker. 2696 shop around a lot more first before depositing opa mary i've watched payout times get longer and in the industry as whole. real time gaming rtg sites especially have been declining unified used to pay winners heck golden palace be good place play one of things you really bear mind is that online casinos were founded are owned managed by people who thought it would not involve actually having work for living. i'm serious was marketed them business easy money no work. there also direct relationship between size bonus offered amount hassle necessary collect. some very reliable out there...who don't offer much way bonuses. offering insane bonuses trying buy deposits order winners. if enjoy gambling might want try intercasino or any sunny group casinos. 2697 i'd agree more or less scarce the most reputable software out there are usually microgaming boss media cryptologic casinos. real time gaming will offer you headaches than all others combined. but they do pay eventually. i don't see point of just gambling online for pleasure. as why anyone would go into a casino and play slots even sit down at blackjack table without knowing how to count cards basic strategy. player really has decide himself whether he wants against odds gamble try advantage play. assuming someone who visit this site shares same philosophy can't with opa mary about playing only few sites. if want make serious money simply have venture waters otherwise not wish be in. means lots places different chasing bonus's which may attainable dealing myriad problems inevitably arise etc etc. it's part game. early on stomach this. 2698 neteller the l did a double charge to my credit card. ron apologized and added 50 account also put back 250 he charged me. i thought that was nice of him but it has been 3 weeks since cashed out money not said went through secondary processor could take three then locked account. second showed up days after original never in acct until complained. how long should give them before do something 2699 grand banks has not paid factor x contacted central deposit no less than 3 times. gb customer service cs says it is out of their hands. cd apologises for the delay. had been now close to a month since i requested paypal withdrawal. by way only took few minutes deposit. 2700 contacted neteller got the following rock sir thank you for your letter we certainly arent happy about matter either. have experienced occasional double billings from one of our backup credit card processors. as soon are notified an instance billing individuals account accordingly. to exact reason that this happened do not any details other than processing company is reviewing matter. in interim made arrangements bring another processor on board and terminate relationship with original again please feel free contact me further questions david kahane director customer service http www.neteller.com ----- message support neteller.com sent friday october 12 2001 2 10 pm subject deposit question. a client some time now i found it disturbing find posted online. did charge my card. ron apologized added 50 also put back 250 he charged me. thought was nice him but has been 3 weeks since cashed out money said went through secondary could take three then locked account. second showed up days after never acct until complained. how long should give them before something l tell happen. 2701 lock out at neteller the l well david i had to laugh when read your post. not only did you do nothing notified locked my account. how explain locking me and for what reason also post makes it seem like this is common neteller. why was after posted that got some service. are a liar. 2703 would someone more experienced please check this out not my usual name i want to play www.gamingclub.com for their bonus offer. one of you people at than me take 30 seconds hunt around and see if is a sticky or not. thank you. 2704 not sticky caruso check out the terms and conditions - they simply require a three times wager before you can make any cash in so to your 150 bonus need all 900. best of my knowledge no microgaming casino offers bonuses. good software support as it gets. 2705 i'd avoid many of the casinos advertised here debbil some very sketchy are here. i personally would depositing at following only winners gss casino - know for not paying and riggable software vegasusa2 two other boards have numerous reports shockingly poor player results probable cheats starluck iglobalmedia wizard odds believes this is rigged on opa recommended list being unlicensed extreme players locked out bonus abuse paid or with rubber checks golden comps recommened refusing to pay an 8k winner aside from that well known mg rtg crypto bonuses listed. 2706 however.... debbil you must cashout more than your deposit plus bonus in order to withdraw the can't just part of bonus. if lose whole can still deposit. a good deal. 2707 we want only responsible casinos. jim perlick debbil thanks for the input - do not sketchy casinos on our pages have looked in to problems with you mentioned. decided remove winners casino extreme and golden comps form list. been monitoring them had hoped that they would shape up but not. read posts about starluck casino. after investigating this report several months ago found out complaints were meant another a very similiar name like www.lucky-star-casino.com or www.starluckcasion.com . both as reliable. is licensed. called verify. 809 549-2069 reason customer support can be reached live will actually call back if needed clear any problems. pay quickly. other beg plead get your money always recieved prompt payment date. vegasusa2 new us month owner asked try it out. boards are stating poor player results seen yet. my stats show players slight edge winnings 64.00. however monitor one. low since input. know of quality don't listed please let know. www.freecasinodeals.com 2708 i don't understand not my usual name please clarify. is that to say if begin with 150 buy in and bonus end 400 can cashout 400. but 275 only where this stated the terms thank you. 2709 100 cash out only true of some mg casinos - not this one caruso have a proviso that you can the bonus in its entirety but one. part it eg. your 275. other poster is incorrect. why are asking phone their support number if any worries and get information first-hand. or email. folks rock solid believe me. 2710 sticky bonuses caruso i wouldn't tout the women's vegas group - 20 bonus is ie. worthless and dangerously misleading for a new player imo . also it isn't free deal there are whole host of solid mg casinos i'd mention way ahead these folks. casino extreme credited my neteller account within half an hour with winnings so i'll go out on limb here treat them decently they'll pay up. 2711 why i'm asking and a thank you not my usual name here instead of contacting them directly is because i am new to online gambling it understanding that some sites are slick with their words dishonest etc so figured if there was anyone else out who had played this site would be more comforting hear from than the casino company. very much for your help. sure i'll posting questions board in near future as experiement online. 2712 my apologies debbil i checked gaming club's terms and conditions caruso is right. you can withdraw everything once you've completed the wagering requirement. they've improved their since played there. also agree with that club a stand-up operation. from experience most microgaming casinos are. good fortune. 2713 thanks for agreeing to look into this debbil i appreciate your willingness take my comments under advisement and attempts run a responsible portal. i'm not mistaken about the name of starluck casino its affiliation with iglobalmedia although they may now be licensed. i'd still avoid them recommend advertising them. are definitely ezecash is mentioned on their site. has very bad reputation non-random games see wizard odds' review here http www.thewizardofodds.com game onlinecasino.html . glad hear that players referred through site have done well at vegasusa2.com. however you might want thread from winner online which describes barrage blackjack losing streaks as long 64 hands in row www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 002967.html odds against some these trillions or higher fair game. 2714 grand banks -non-payer -month 2 factor x tomorrow is the start of month and gb has not reversed a 4-figure amount money to my paypal account. remains in account been released. number requests both by telephone e-mail have resulted either indifference or apologies. one their sister casinos black widow. just warning. i filed complaint against with online players association some time ago but never heard anything back from opa. 2715 problems of playing on-line casinos factor x i have recently begun phasing out my casino accounts. here is a list possible the gambler faces 1 no government regulatory agencies to turn when handling disputes 2 rigged software 3 credit card deposit and especially reversal 4 ambiguously-stated terms conditions mentioning bonuses. 5 outright non-payment bonuses winnings 6 poor customer support at those that only offer e-mail 7 multiple billings by e-cash companies firepay. 8 retrieving money from paypal. 9 slow payment casinos. 10 time spent difficulty in determining which are reliable not.even online players association has had number recommended on their later turned be rogue could add lot more. but keep mind one thing people making this industry includes portals put both misinformation disinformation rather than information. so beware 2716 with on-line casinos can never be sure nt factor x 2717 you should get a clue before setting up your web site. anon314 are aiding and abetting thieves. if had done any reasearch on the part of players would have found out that starluck software is fixed. actually played own money head been spinning at how fast bankroll was going down drain. oooohhh. casino licensed. do think means they not rip people off all costa rica or where ever cares about with their licensing place pays fee. go to watchdog site will see blacklist. be embarrassed for continuing run this sending theives cut profits same as stealing yourself. no one has mentioned it but original post spam. want from bj21 come website buying some advertising instead just asking who here perhaps 95 which know more reliable internet casinos than you. 2718 you probably won't scarce try gambling grumbles at gambling.com. julie sidwell is getting a lot of these from grand banks complaints specifically the nature described. it's not singular phenomenon perhaps dozens players have already been inconvenienced in this matter. btw were told to do withdrawal reversal because credit card problems that particular casino 2719 online games vpr man your complaints are consistent with those we've seen at numerous places. while i do believe there some rigged they relatively few and far between. the bigger problem is settlement of money due player. over time this will be resolved. for now players have to 1 persistent 2 patient. these places that take a month or two make payments not around long. it difficult ascertain which lodged against various casinos real just pissed off i've several not-so-great ratings paid very efficiently. one olp has rated negatively consistently immediately -- overnighting wiring funds once. obtain reliable information. think next year so lot really bad shake out become easier find good management. in meantime caveat emptor. 2720 reimbursed deposit will not pay winnings factor x they never asked me to do a withdrawal reversal. reversed my firepay within 3 days. however tomorrow be one month since i requested paypal withdrawal. knew going in that this company would eventually hit the wall. started year and were are paying out way too much bonuses. also lot of advertising costs them plenty. am any money. only bonuses amounting 4-figures. 2721 i am a winner but beware factor x ahead about 3000 to 4000 dollars since have been gambling on-line . started 5 months ago. it has fun and an education headache. however under its present stage of development would not recommend it. the main reason almost total non-regulation industry. 2722 sorry jim but your site is crap kathleen turner overdrive starluck casino after you emailed me a litte spam i replied and told rigged casino. that was two months ago. in addition if wanted to be respected should run far away from these clowns. guess didn't listen. now come board frequented by some of the most experienced skilled gamblers entire world half-rate portal did think we wouldn't notice what crappy get clue pal. better yet just go don't back until know something about this industry. 2723 iglobalmedia david matthews i visitied the las vegas gaming expo 2 weeks ago and saw that had a booth. they provide software for sites which have rumors of rigged games like starluck planetluck apolla. will be going to another convention in this week not surprised if has booth at one. can dig up any information anyone happy try. please let me know what questions you would ask. by way don't think using expletives insults get very far even though it sounds as group may deserve it. - 2724 don't worry too much scarce i know that's easy for me to say actually i'm owed a bit also but they are paying with about 1 month the actual time when people start seeing their money again. would bet you will see your soon. it does suck and there's no real excuse all this especially lying part. only thing that can be said is they're rtg so you're taking chances at outset. were very good started even in august gave them b nte might best casino around moment. needless they've dropped usual mediocrity of other casinos ilk. 2725 anyone want this spam taken down nt pb19 2726 your call kathleen turner overdrive doesn't matter all that much to me. i do think any thread blasts starluck and their ilk is worth something but then don't want this guy get traffic from his posts here. on second thought just bust it. it's not the wasted bandwidth. 2727 ask them to use the r word. kathleen turner overdrive see if you can get say and show some proof of their card games being random. they avoid question or start getting meally mouthed about subject have your answer--no it's a shame but rag gambling online magazine did whole piece on iglobal recently. tried make out be next microgaming. yeah right. says lot industry in general. 2728 nope let people know this guy will send them to thieves. nt anon314 2729 on the other hand... vpr man you are ahead.... 2730 educational leave it up nt asap 2731 in jim's defense sort of debbil jim perlick did actually remove casino extreme golden comps and only winners which are all the casinos i told him not pay checked his site . that's more responsibility than expected from an obvious spammer. he may be suspicious claims here that vegasusa2 starluck rigged because online gambling boards frequently have unfounded cheat even if this board isn't plagued by gave best evidence could does anyone else it possible to reason with perlick. certainly wouldn't hurt try. 2733 removing recommendations... caruso ...on the word of one poster is away with fairies. if he was suspicious claims cheating wouldn't have removed those rtgs. i've had no problem extreme they do pay. just because haven't paid you yet cannot make this blanket statement although i well appreciate frustration it causes. certainly don't need tarring starluck brush. agree jim should be reasoned not lambasted. 2734 where can i find this not my usual name a list of good vs bad online casinos. also casino reviews discussions and such. don't want to play at places that pay know how sort out the review sites from ones like jim perlick's apparantly . 2735 good sites w lists and forums opa mary www.winneronline.com great forum www.casinomeister.com webmaster will mediate any advertised site www.gamemasteronline.com excellent directories of software www.got2bet.com www.thewizardofodds.com for strategies one easy way to check if a portal is shill use www.whois.org the domain registration info url some its advertisers. they match probably crap. 2736 your full of it jim perlick i don't send out spam - if you said spammed are lying and have over 500 people that signed up for my monthly newsletter. this is the only email we out. before blast someone make sure facts straight. try to keep casinos believe honest. know deal with treat me honest pay on time great customer service. 2737 just got paid today after a month debbil slower than they used to be but still not bad for rtg. 2738 they all had their id badges turned around at gge opa mary that was pretty funny. plus said hadn't been in business under any other names i did ask about handa lopez yeah right. 2739 put 1 on hitting one number in roulette play 100 spins.... opa mary you will never win at planetluck. sorry jim need to do more homework. 2740 inconsequential beliefs caruso i try to keep only the casinos that believe are honest. know deal with treat me honest pay on time and have great customer service. your own personal of little consequence if posing as a reliable source information taking backhander into bargain. no big surprise they you you're going be touting them 2741 another slightly obsolete one scarce ..is www.themoneytour.com . i say because it doesn't seem to have been updated since last spring. still much of what is written accurate about the various casino's listed but bonus's are course outdated. was a goldmine information year as contains virtually everything you'd need know casino bonus procedure and lot which would not be readily found unless you really scoured site thoroughly. best if online gambling sites period. 2742 have not refunded paypal deposit bobby i a where broke even for 500 at gb. cashed out 1 month ago and they still paid. rtg is usually pretty good about refunding buy ins. in this case. gb used to be good. anymore. 2743 there are many other players scarce ..who've made substantially more than this playing online some of whom play ed as a full-time job and yes that is quite possible but just grew sick tired the endless hassles places will bring. it's not having deposit stolen or credit card number used illegally both which can happen occur infrequently hoops bullshit you have to deal with on daily basis. rule thumb one third your time be spent actually gambling doing research downloading registering ie preparation dealing headaches such payment problems e-mailing casino's etc. at times these percentages fluctuate wildly. entire days trying solve arisen. player needs organized disciplined stubborn patient resolute keep online. 2745 check the exact date you requested scarce ..many players are reporting this week that they're being paid for around sept 14-16 50 bonus weekend of 500 250 fame . it seems 30 days is followed down line. 2746 reply scarce i recently become interested in on line gambling never play online b4 just practised b s yahoo game ages ago 1. didnot know if we can count cards with casinos don't bother. the few games which do offer penetration aare of 33 kind. would you sit down at that kind a real casino 2.can u really trust honesty start course i'll combine both when playing read opa mary's post or mine below about sites to look at. 3.any books sofeware purchase. forget software. counting period. haywood's book is still valuable but you'd be better off now reading net. belestra's cheerleading crap and should avoided. only skill need how chase bonus's. blackjack good choice as it offers low house edge knew anyway fairly variance unlike video poker also decent for online. 2748 related casinos to inetbet josephine i know that is rtg but when call customer service they first ask me which casino am calling about. if them what work with won't tell me. always say well were you about and avoid the question. anyone ones their associates josey 2749 where to start just one word... caruso microgaming. 2750 seems to be grand banks and black widow scarce this is a fairly recent change too within the last few weeks. inetbet was having payout problems have been contagious.. 2751 i am a winner this is no b.s. i've been playing about 10 months now and up over 20k. play at one on-line casino have had problems with deposits cash-outs bonuses etc. they very frequently toss into my bankroll 100 200 sometimes 500. 2752 grand banks continues not to pay factor x has paid. i requested my payment via paypal on september 17 2001. today marks the one month anniversary of that request. three times central deposit told me would be paid next week. broke promise. 2753 casino-on-net complaint filed with directorate of offshore gaming factor x a was against by me the on october 18 2001. states that refuses to pay bonus money owed from their september 26 2001 shaken not stirred promotion. also mentions other players have been paid them this i asked investigate my claim and claims others denied such bonuses. is government regulatory agency for on-line casinos licensed in countries antigua barbuda. information factorx tampabay.rr.com 2755 can you fill us in on which casino nt pythonesque 2756 reply to factor x larrydavid i also posted this in green chip. know of someone who got paid a high 5 figure check on the roulette promotion less than 1 month after it took place. don't understand what's going maybe person had juice and is shill for casino. 2757 of course... winner casino-on-net.com i've never had a problem with cash-outs. they frequently have contest generous payouts and claim to contributed 50 000 the victim relief fund in n.y. their customer service are very polite honest. be honest at first i thought there bj game was rigged until started win some more. sure don't tell you that secret any gaming is walk away when you're ahead. good luck. 2758 casino-on-net's promotion optimal strategy uploaded for free. gary i spent quite a few hours generating the casino-on-net on october 26th. pays 50 bonus unbust 5 cards 100 6 500 7 and 5000 8 cards. any keen blackjack players have generated to following url http www.geocities.com betterbetsuk conpromo.htm please wait minutes page load because tables are large. if you want see how it was just drop me an email. hope this helps everyone here who wished play out. regards 2760 interesting promotion... debbil thanks for the post gary. what's player edge if any this promotion using strategy or regular basic i have no idea how to begin figure out. 2761 casino on air caruso played with some trepidation following negative comments but good promo and low 1 minimums. wagered 1000 units lost 113 units. methinks i shall not return although the stats boys will correctly tell me there is no statistical significance. call it a hunch... fast neteller credit though then profit . 2762 thanks request not my usual name for all of your work. are any you folks that smarter than me able to figure out how this promotion affects expectation assuming the player follows strategy 2763 player edge answer 0.844 gary due to popular request and emails the with this strategy is approximately normal basic unmodified i am told 0.09 but didnt calculate that one for myself. 2764 too small an edge for online casino not my usual name either gee gary the kind of info that gets posted in public places often. how very generous you are. oh and clever too. i must omit that. is why this guess. anyway to play with such a substantial variance prudent. bonus players are used playing much higher than it helps make up whatever fudge factor may use. because really blind. like cards someone money over telephone where your opponent holding deck - have take his word when he deals cards. also friday promo does credit bonuses until after long over. will at disadvantage about 1 assuming fair dealer then hope they sometime future. bad land casinos real decks do promos this. 2765 maybe gary i must admit when saw this promotion thought a much greater edge would be in place which is why worked out the maths and generated strategy. estimated 2 but was wrong. im going to no hurry jump for so am just sharing info people who want play. there has never been any doubt my mind greatest edges online offline always sportsbooks problem calculating not simple. 2766 i agree with that nt jocko 2767 grand banks finally pays factor x paid. i received money in my paypal account 34 days after request date. casinomeister bryan forwarded complaint to on october 19 . opa steve adkins them 20. sunday 21 released winnings into account. do not know if they would have anyway without these two complaints being them. that previous had made no difference. 2769 sci-fi casino yanking bonuses retroactively readme there is an interesting thread on winner online regarding subtracting from later withdrawals players they decide are bonus abusers . one player was accused of risk-free wagering by placing pass line bets in craps. he not hedging betting don't at the same time and craps excluded promotion played. see for yourself http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 003048-2.html it hasn't happened to me yet i plan let 2770 watch this space... caruso it hasn't happened to me yet and i don't plan let fighting talk. as the first part ditto second may be out of your hands. i've continually wondered where profit lies for them giving away a 3 4 advantage - how bad can player roulette craps bacc are all excluded from their most recent offers so maybe some un-informed rep simply thought that wagers in those games were risk free let's draw breath before we go shooting hip. they'll just cough up rethink promo strategy. was pink unicorn saw fly past my window 2771 sci-fi-casino under attack scarce as you may know prides itself on it s reputation to provide an enjoyable experience online gaming enthusiasts and give our players superior customer service that they would not find in other casinos. is regularly audited by safebet currently seeking affiliation with another very reputable watchdog organization. occasionally all casinos become the target of opportunists who are simply looking for a way scam bonuses because what do living. these types player prey casino good will providing real like enjoy benefits treatment we offer them. offers their fantastic promotions which allows them feel appreciated us appreciate each every want being us. however bonus scammers come redeem eligible then when informed be paid due basic limitations promo claim membership organizations refuse affiliate ourselves out threaten derogatory postings various message boards. believe this practice completely unfair. unfair creates unnecessary worry view slanderous postings. regular always honor if obtained rightfully. has any question about his eligibility he or she should contact immediately have her concerns resolved. date revoked only four two within last 4 months fraudulently. seen more than anonymous attempting impression there disgruntled players. credits instantly assumes wager parameters applied for. had knew were granted faith attempted take money was cases allowed keep several hundreds dollars well winnings. hope letter explains why different associations. also raised posting direct either www.safebet.org department answers your questions. furthermore none made single complaint clearly shows complaints valid. truly patronage casino. loyal customers continue strive most trusted ------------------ mark delano manager www.sci-fi-casino.com some people run apparently operate heavy machinery. stupid 2772 sounds reasonable for sci-fi anon314 from what they have posted it like someone finds out about a promo are not eligible and asks the money anyway. right now casino will credit you with bonus before play but to e-mail them or something ask bonus. so can check if eligible. used use those coupon codes may been able eligibility was credited. of course we haven't heard players' side story. has acting in manner. 2773 well as i read it... caruso ...the players abided by all the rules then laid down but they were clearly a casino's definition of bonus abuser ahem their mistake was probably to just take too much lesson perhaps . sci fi are getting into muddle over risk-free wagering - would anyone call rtg blackjack craps for conservative ie. flat betting is out. so what kind patterns permissible very grey area. get big thumbs up from me on past experience. hope sort themselves 2774 small correction to the rules and ev is 0.54 swiss pro i have a program which use analyze online casino expectations with near perfect play except splits . incorporated bonus payment found basic strategist's advantage be 0.34 - startegy adjustments pay 0.5 more out of but you lose 0.3 from hand results. so total player according this calculation. was calculated for 4 decks as con bj at least it when checked last ... don't know yet if 6 would really make better 0.844 posted above will investigate today come back any new results 2775 the way i read thread... readme player takes advantage of one promotion. he deposits gets bonus gambles doesn't lose everything paid. plays another promotion everything. sci-fi subtracts this plus previous bonus...by stealing amount his first from second deposit and winnings. is completely unacceptable. if a casino does not want taking their promotions they shouldn't offer him bonus. sure as hell won't risk depositing at again. for how to deal with on future promos other casinos personally play vp long paytable decent instead blackjack baccarat or craps. it's pretty hard call no wager because variance. there's both sides but bonuses i'll come out ahead in end. 2776 vp problem caruso is by nature a flat-betting game so if flat bets are out with sci fi at least also as promo game. to say nothing of the paucity good pay tables. 2777 sounds reasonable vpr man sci-fi's response totally to me as well. bonus abuse players must recognize that casinos are in business turn a profit. we have learned accept land-based will eject player for winning. why would you think online behave differently it has been apparent some time reports of unfair behavior often exaggerated the sheer numbers result information is practically useless -- one unhappy can post enough complaints make appear be widespread problem when fact isn't. sci-fi offer bonuses competitive. at same their games provide excellent returns. can't expect them tolerate people abusing plans. 2779 agree - give sci fi a break caruso had an email exchange with them this morning their replies combined my personal experience lead me to view the thread on other message board from different angle. i think don s's advice never win so much as compromise your invitation back next time applies excellently online dry land. 2780 gimme a break.... readme if you'd like to compare this land-based casino experience what happened these players is equivalent pit boss snatching chips away from player because he had won too much or been comped in previous visits the casino. they don't want player's action should refuse him current future bonuses and lock his account while returning any deposits. fairly common practice online. i it but certainly within its rights do so. would be comparable card counter being barred subtracting amount of bonus that has already paid past later deposit winnings theft. money no longer theirs take back. you have ever made profit sci-fi dangerous there again unless can settle an honorable manner. better than golden palace incident. it's shame felt was one rtgs. 2781 subtracting bonuses retrocatively is bad. what did you do this time anon314 taking down retroactively tantamount to stealing. when i posted was reacting the letter they sent out. asking for your side of story and didn't get it. how about providing it now use a promotion that publicly like on their website or one e-mailed privately players break any rules bonus program sci-fi just take money because won 2782 who says i'm one of the players this happened to readme just passing word. i find sci-fi's behavior despicable and feel a warning is in order. call me an altruist. sorry can't give you anymore insight. personally i've taken small loss at sci-fi since play vp not shocked it happens sometimes so doubt will happen on my current withdrawal. after going try make back another promo. frankly that many people are defending this. be there if don't think can you. 2783 sci fi is lying casino avenger there a lot more to this then posted here. read the whole thread at wol and you will have different opinion. look number of players who they been ripped out says were 4 in history place. thats lie. allowed all them keep bonues paid winnings. come on thieving 2784 sci fi is lying casino avenger thats suppose to read ripped off . thanks. more come 2785 my reason... caruso ...for defending them is simply based on experience. they paid me again today and no loss was involved although i certainly wasn't trying to take for a packet as it would seem c.a. colleagues were . if they're retroactively remove bonuses why didn't do so - pretty much all i'd won off previously in account given this negative publicity could have reasonably assumed wouldn't be back last chance fleece me. yet not own wagering also fall into new risk free category conservative low bets am prepared stick with while their behaviour remains impeccable or until see some conclusive evidence of less than others rather innuendo believe changes i'll out guns blazing like 2786 some got paid didn't tom i'm sure many people paid. i think other however either get at all or correctly because the promotion was explained in misleading and incorrect terms. there appears to be no recourse for these players. a more experienced player who putting lot of money on line may have thought write customer service them explain details possible misunderstanding. those us just took words casino face value screwed. 2787 full evaluation ev 0.633 bs 0.408 swiss pro i did my math again ... there was a slight error in program taking false number the split of aces against 10 into account. as we can see now - basic startegist's goes up from barely negative to on nice side. using gary's strategy will loose 0.36 more at table but get 1.09 bonus for net value computer perfect play would result an 0.651 don't forget add 0.1 cash back c-o-n point short resum seems be good it possibly get. attached are summaries cut out 2-card tabes which printed between header and results 4 decks stand soft 17 double any total draw automatic player 21 blackjack pays 3 2 expectation -0.001441 variance 1.298568 0.005522 5 0.004401 6 0.000786 7 0.000243 8 0.000092 0.004080 1.310078 follow multicard -0.004613 1.257589 0.010944 0.007903 0.000911 0.000467 0.001663 0.006331 1.355481 -0.003554 1.291978 0.010063 0.007438 0.000742 0.000406 0.001477 0.006509 1.378739 2788 they are thieves and liars dongambler sci fi mark delano nothing but liars. i was told by a friend that had opened. went to the web site saw sign up bonus offer on promotions page deposited played. after meeting all of requirements 300 plus 200 bonus. next day my account locked. few days later asked how found them so them. then were revoking winnings returning deposit. stated did not click off link one their affiliates. pointed out some rule tucked away in small print said you have be referred an affiliate take advantage any bonuses. now played lot casinos visited even more casino's websites never seen such thing. what this amounts is license steal. course only invoked if win. lost wouldn't give damn several negotiating with agreed pay me 300. wasn't nice once into shady operation like your deposit call shots. here comes making following statement date we revoked bonuses four players two within last 4 months who obtained fraudulently. however postings than anonymous attempting impression there disgruntled players. as may know sci-fi-casino credits instantly assumes player will wager parameters applied for. knew granted good faith attempted money due cases allowed keep hundreds dollars each well paid winnings. pack lies. including myself those posted at least 7 persons or confiscated wagering requirements. notice part bold faced liar. another joined on-line casino industry. should trusted for second. ran opening promtions scam just magic oasis did. run try hide behind false statements safebet logo which harbours thieves. avoid place play own risk. 2789 so this would be... vpr man i'm just passing the word. i find sci-fi's behavior despicable and feel a warning is in order. call me an altruist. heresay taken from disgruntled player not sure that's very reliable source. my point it reasonable to be cautious scifi's response looks but one must take with grain of salt things overheard on watchdog forums. too easy for unhappy spread lot half-truth or outright lies because he felt was cheated way other. 2790 players' experiences will count in the end caruso all this innuendo is pointless frankly. two alternatives a sci fi fleecing every player out there these deflammatory postings corroborate experiences. players stop playing who go of business. b most are receiving decent treatment from and some those have tried to make quick hit scam them for penny they can split having everything up other read realize that it doesn't match their own experience decide bunch scammers on where pulled before drove business were not going interfere with enjoyment profit . you say won 300 paid few days later spite fact conveniently didn't small print weren't actually entitled blessed bonus feel hard done by get real. casino avenger his confederates realized so smart wasn't dumb as thought now they'd like nothing better than everyone - casino. they'll probably succeed i reckon reign promos crap lose less ok that's good less. nice one. job well done. 2792 sci fi violates its own rules still lying dongambler here is another reason to stay away from them. giving personal information out on a player. that major violation of their confidentiality when one signs up. plus they are and lying. 2793 sci fi violates players' trust that's for sure opa mary whatever the merits may be of underlying conflict i have to say that identifying players by name in email third parties is a definite violation their posted rules and something should give all pause. 2794 if in fact that player has vpr man trumped up untrue claims concerning them i think they have every right to make individual's name available. i'm not sure why anyone would the one public anonymous unsubstantiated allegation after another against a business then unable disclose their response. it was totally appropriate and done precisely same thing those circumstances. become increasingly clear me who is at fault this matter. 2798 don's no scammer opa mary from what i know of don he's scammer. a smart player an experienced and he follows casino rules. casinos control both their software bonus offers. if they don't want players playing sides the craps table or roulette wheel that now misterm no-risk betting why do offer this in to whom send play can stop sending what's so hard about when bonuses are granted. have you ever seen return losses lost bets support right not make offers unprofitable players. but grants money then rescinds it after all terms met selectively enforces only against winners freely demonizes as organized --crackers criminals scammers crackers abusers insert here honors own policies concerning information--that cannot support. also assume most people enough read message boards--and minority among players--are spot one two angry unfounded vendetta judge posts accordingly. disagree your position re players' identities honoring its stated terms. disclaimer on site we like we'll blab whole world whether part gaming agency not. 2800 i believe their letter was clearly vpr man a case self-defense. it is clear this casino had dealt with the named individual time and again they apparently knew quite bit of history in fact has not been able to put forth any kind evidence his claim. if he does that would change my perspective. meantime comes across as total hothead personal emails me . perhaps need post those here well -- think readers board have pretty picture. 2802 evidence vpr man i just think if you or anyone else is going to make the kinds of accusations have made then ought be able back up what you're saying. can't it don't say it. suppose could post details your financial records and all emails concerning matter. that would probably give readers here at other sites you've been posting under multiple anonymous names enough information a judgment for themselves. so perhaps you'd like do 2803 he can be a total twit and jerk.... opa mary ...or hothead not issuing any judgement there ahem but that still does give the casino right to publicize his name as customer. those are casino's own rules over which they have control advertise an inducement players. it is in best business interest violate this rule number one reason people do play online privacy concerns. if you read thread at www.winneronline.com you'll also find has some curious ideas about no risk betting craps me confidence their management abilities. appear think pass line with odds that's another issue i invite explore it. suggest research relationship between safebet scifi well. will interesting information them haywood's book referenced on your site. so my perspective we understand house edge represents paid-for auditing agency portal impartial arbritration service players reveals player's confidential third parties committing criminal activity rescinds bonuses possibly other funds i'm clear without regulatory oversight or review process. pissed off posting least player known sharp who communicates casinos like them. make money playing well within crimes. design promotions often offer easy steal customers from every step fo bonusing process don't fell fair demonize such criminals. were use fake identities credit cards revers charges losses would consider knowledge haven't done been alleged. 2804 evidence dongambler i just think if you or anyone else is going to make the kinds of accusations have made then ought be able back up what you're saying. can't it don't say it. suppose could post details your financial records and all emails concerning matter. that would probably give readers here at other sites you've been posting under multiple anonymous names enough information a judgment for themselves. so perhaps you'd like do my purchase on credit card prove wagering records. again contention revoked bonus they claim was never revoked. same with most players who posted over wol also. are by statement notes an accusation am 7 people wol... another example mentality level. no clue when comes on-line casinos. affiliate theirs direct their site profit. one only interest why dont admit 2805 sci-fi vpr man ...or a hothead not issuing any judgement there ahem but that still does give the casino right to publicize his name as customer. no if he has been spreading lies or rumors about them it would be totally justifiable do so. is for this individual hide behind multiple anonymous names and criticize others yet expect respect privacy. what you think should just sit back let some person destroy nonsense. you'll also find curious ideas risk betting craps which me confidence in their management abilities. i can't begin count number of land-based pit bosses who will tell always take even money. mean can slander suggest research relationship between safebet scifi well. i'm fully aware relationship. simply advise people ignore it. nothing wrong with doing meaningless. different from cpas aicpa member an attorney bar. these are self-governing rulemaking bodies funded by constiuency. best concerning pissed off posting my perspective at least one player known sharp communicates other players casinos like them. whom didn't know was same exchanged emails past. found him time have lack credibility. case able put forth evidence up claims -- either instance recall before. frankly most profanities strung together end meaningful content. 2807 i think you need to vpr man take a deep breath and get over it. while it is fact that our site an affiliate for sci-fi numerous others if were able put forth credible argument against them or any of other sites i'd have no hesitation remove the links their site. this was reason behind my contacting in first place. however as today one handful online casinos offering pretty good video poker games i'm not going on word someone who has clearly been hiding multiple anonymous handles when posting what appears be effort disparage them. by way major problem with forums offered opa others. anyone can say anything. result difficult decipher which complaints are meaningful simply ranting more disgruntled players some bone pick. usefulness information marginal. particular aware reported excellent results sci-fi. become legitimate claims about casino quickly from do time-to-time . but i've seen positive remarks than negative ones thus far. unfortunately tactic makes much deceipher truth under circumstances where being treated fairly prefer give benefit doubt. privacy issue absurd person obligation protect individual hitting every forum internet they right fight back. suspect noise make they'll make. perhaps should keep mind start that. anyway that's all matter. 2809 to set the record straight ... vpr man i alerted this person that and got an incredible amount of crap from him saying was just trying ruin gss business they were honest etc etc. you unwilling specify where screenshot came other than say it a casino . following is quote one your emails me only way can confirm because know is. sent us as proof cheating by them. are ones have progressive video poker game at screen shot shows.. thats all offer opa blow whistle on with. we doing that. frankly don't who believe. but do in five minutes anyone unhappy with including could dummied up simple screen. or maybe not. knows. if has credible information any list not paying would appreciate email concerning webmaster videopokerreview.com similarly find online providing 99 games listed we'd about well. clear our site make judgments payment issues site. however become aware documented non-isolated problem will quickly remove links 2811 sci fi has written me asking... vpr man that i have the post with guy's name removed so i've emailed david matthews in hopes he will do so. they said never intended for to disclose information hope he'll be able that. if anyone wants email real names can write and i'll glad provide it. 2812 yes to set the record straight dongambler frankly i don't know who believe. but do that in five minutes anyone was unhappy with gss including you could have dummied up simple screen. or maybe not. knows if believe then why are calling me uncredible made your judgement and spouted big mouth about it. has credible information any casino we list is cheating not paying would appreciate an email concerning it at webmaster videopokerreview.com . similarly find online providing 99 video poker games listed we'd as well. did got nothing bs from you. clear our site make judgments payment issues site. however become aware of a documented non-isolated problem will quickly remove links bull judged am true information. refuse accept anything else because hurt affiliate business. act like need signed confession maker software. going get something conclusive. real quit accusing people far more this industry ever being uncredible. 2816 personal identity and details of all members will remain confidential. opa mary no but if he has been spreading lies or rumors about them it would be totally justifiable to do so. not they say on their web site that won't this. made the decision as a matter policy disclose player information post this want change should website. in fact seem pretty casual breaking email you. from sci-fi casino report wagering behalf any member. is false advertising were land operation get fined lose license. i can't begin count number land-based pit bosses who tell you always take even money. does mean can slander think boss posted player's name message board took out newspaper ad keep his job puhleeeze. thought craps pass line with odds isn't bet different relationship between cpas aicpa which i'm member an attorney bar. both relationships are transparent by bodies involved subject law licensing turn case safebet. while agree players ignore safebet sf casino's own reps appeal proof legitimacy undergoing other scrutiny sort. 2817 sci-fi casino respects your privacy when we feel like it opa mary and therefore will never rent sell or distribute any information about you. personal be safeguarded by sold to mailing lists. what is in this sentence that i don't understand so they asked vpr remove the name from his post here doesn't change fact he just emailed them answered. anybody else want play at a place with policy 2818 vpr man--get one thing straight kathleen turner overdrive never ever post someone's real name on this site got it that has always been the rule here. beyond you should have used some common sense. i find hard to believe did all by accident. amazing. 2819 in retrospect vpr man i should not have posted that email verbatim -- doing so contributed nothing to the discussion. for apologize particular sci-fi who didn't expect me disclose this information and guy was subject of since he is panicky about his name being used. when read letter simply wasn't focused on individual's rather interested story behind it. at moment would go back re-read know guy's it just important me. said find wrong with sci-fi's disclosure information. individual appears least be maliciously attacking casino under numerous aliases an effort mislead potential customers. no business expected tolerate behavior from anyone without able defend themselves against attacker. do personally feel has right attack another internet or anywhere else alias let alone aliases. a person face its accuser. yet accuser wants remain hidden array my axe grind really had desire get into argument first place but felt unfairly criticizing sci-fi. before over understood predicament as found myself by same individual. understand long-running policy site disclosing names say again oversight. did terms requested post busted which only thing can do. now all i'm ready discussion end going nowhere. continue material further exposes subject's more readers. serves one's interest. we please believe time will vindicated if actions these individuals don't manage bring down. look legitimate signs abused see they've made good attempts clarifying their positions true number complaintants seem few while aware several people report experiences them. turns out well wrong. let's 2821 so what was the basis for .... opa mary don's been a regular poster long time. accusing him of posting at wol under multiple aliases yeah i'm sticking up don. that's my bias. oh and i would also like to make clear that don't care if sci fi casino joins or not there are plenty good casinos haven't. just get annoyed when they throw safebet around as it meant something. appears me--through imperfect information message boards--that vpr has required same level proof from sfc their assertions he players. since by own behavior have shown disregard rules think earned trust. 2822 credible information spearmaster how do you explain the post at winneronline involving someone who will not be paid for no-risk betting - ie. pass or don't and taking full odds same time vpr yourself a favor least take to little research. though i have had disagreements with dongambler in past cannot life of me see what he has done wrong here other than click through an affiliate site felony punishable by chinese water torture . http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 003048.html been pointed correct areas assume appropriate action. myself data question there is no doubt as accuracy this information. because mr. delano failed respond forwarded safebet further action well owners rtg. 2823 proc-cyber experiences confused i played at proc cyber casinos several times before and last week decided to try a new one me jackpot city after bought in they locked out wont explain why other than form email saying am high risk what this means just keep getting letters back from them can someone have never charged or done anything that would be considered always accepted my losses everywhere including casinos. is their kindly note instructions our department indicate us your details been flagged as potentially on database. account was therefore closed by department. will mean all purchases made refunded you cash-ins deemed null void. these funds should reach within 5-7 business days. ongoing investigations continue contacted the status of change. thank for patience regard. if any further queries please feel free contact services. support desk available 24 hours day 7 days convenience. 2824 in retrospect spearmaster apologize to sci-fi and not dongambler excuse me but you just lost about all of your credibility. 2825 possible gary as i didnt have time to adjust my findings for 4 decks because was very busy it seems quite that you may be correct and missed can thank swisspro his time. maybe the difference in ev is due lower probability of 5 6 7 8 card hands with fewer decks. congratulations anyone who played casino-on-net yesterday hope took there money if spent effort learn an optimising strategy certainly deserved too dont worry assure do right thing then will eventually end-up up. would noticed error your original calculations publish own which happened better than under originally made work helped one person say im happy. best regards garys quote care back loosing team long had correctly accessed chance 2826 just wanted to get this on the record sf casino doesn't like opa mary is from an email vpr man posted previously by and subsequently removed. player in discussion came a hacker's site where sci-fi-casino was targeted as newbie for bonus scammers take advantage of. it true that online players association has many skilled members. however violation of opa's code ethics engage fraudulent activity such using false identification fake credit cards opening multiple accounts reversing charges similar scamming. have been denied membership when proven our satisfaction. not organization . fact casinos if scifi having problems due their own designs--such offering 40 deposits--it because they are throwing money out door criminal part merely publicizing promotions message boards. far i know there no hacking or manipulation software hardware. member were involved we would very much know. all did sign up play. what wrong with isn't purpose promotion do you support right deposit play rules cash ahead publicize low edge games your board surely can see how 30-40 might gasp win cannot save its bad management decisions. should be cautious escalating bonuses lengthening cashin periods strong indication taking more action than financially eventually closing leaving unpaid. so graciously offered mediate any disputes his advertisers encourage utilize services regard before posting doing will want make arrangements concerning information man. 2827 more to this than meets the eye caruso there must be a lot you're not telling us or proc cyber have simply got their wires totally crossed - which i doubt. if you alaways accepted your losses then 24c gold customer and they should throwing offers at barring you. soung like regular gambler. you've contacted can assume also casino in question get on phone mg pc as good it gets better still imo 2828 probably not scarce i imagine this player played at an affiliated casino according to the rules and cashed out soon after meeting wagering requirements. is often enough warrant such reprisals. fortune lounge casinos are pretty strict about as gaming club a sister jackpot city. all proc-cyber. simply put if they suspect you're just there hustle bonus you might get boot. don't require great deal of evidence will provide any proof or offer explanation other than one given. ethical practice that's matter opinion. prefer think it wanting their cake offering large signup bonus's eating too ability revoke suspected so-called abuse . doesn't seem me good idea for long-term mutual trust. 2829 your strategy bought me a bonus of 3 average bets in 2 hours 500 hands swiss pro ... and i was lucky enough to win another 20 at the table. as didnt have time adjust my findings for 4 decks because very busy it seems quite possible that you may be correct missed no need apologize don't think best practical table could come much nearer computer perfect play just used yours thanks excellent work. what did running combinatorial analysis program taking move dictated by instead really one had write file exact which would constitute an exeption there are 7700 such impossible consult this real play. can thank swisspro his time. maybe difference ev is due lower probability 5 6 7 8 card with fewer decks. actually studying promo myself - planning produce so it's saved work congratulations anyone who played casino-on-net yesterday not agree more while end result most us influenced variance than will eventually pay take hit every promotion has positive expectation hope many were ending up right half bell curve . noticed error original calculations if publish own happened better under originally made helped person then say im happy. mentioned above never get elaborate strategy. obvious when looking details produces but before often miss errors proof reading letter always happen see them after sent process including decisions from maintaining calculation all dealer outcomes even taken player make changes places code found odd trigger finding mistake. again fine piece able return favour next calls sincerely 2830 experiences with geisha lounge casino what software is this thank you. nt not my usual name 2831 cytech software spearmaster same as golden palace. haven't played it in a while so cannot comment on it. 2832 in a word great caruso solomons changed to this new software as well. stuff not quibble. the bank mentions 10 cashout fee but would appear be leftover from past days and no longer applies. 2833 another odious site using real time gaming software kathleen turner overdrive it's obvious that many sites know very little about gambling. it appears rtg will sell their to anyone with a checkbook. after is probably hands off. by far there are more complaints concerning on the web than almost any other brand. craps accusation sci-fi good example of how ignorant these owners managers who makes type has no business being in gambling business. have refused pay winners because they felt players used blackjack system . huh let s see flat betting progressions. what next sir you were looking at screen when making your playing decision. as this against our rules. and then people like vpr man jim below promoting online boy reassuring. need go away come back re talking about. already left so should join him. adults handle stuff. we doing. 2834 vpr man dongambler the is promoting and profiting from referring people to gss play their video poker which we all know has capability be rigged. he no clue about gss' history or poker. credibility concerning on-line gambling in general. i have seen this guy post some groups belong nothing but a wannabe pro who can't make grade. 2835 played geisha lounge paid in less than 2 weeks lucky liner.. anon32 is a different story. they say i did not wager the amount required to cash out. so were going put money back my account could finish wagering. then tried gambled away which didn't. came and said made mistake will add account. delay has now been over month. it great deal of by any means. just don't see how can take month accoount when gave me bonus for same day. solomon's liner use be outfit. maybe still are but since software change have changed. 2836 regarding wagering doubts... caruso ...just give them a ring and ask what your total is before trying any cash-outs. it's worth waiting few hours in case there's delay their record updating. 2837 thats a good idea. i am going to start doing that nt not my usual name 2838 i usually play... anon32 well over the required amount. this is my first experience with this. just find it hard to believe takes a month and token refund back account. 2839 easy way newbie webmasters can test gss' honesty opa mary look you don't have to believe the and all disgruntled players ripped off by gss. i ask is that do some homework before sending gss sites. just thrive media games gamblingsoftware.com or ehren richardson these questions 1. if were own a casino it losing money what would happen they answer never happens are lying as did me year ago when trying sell while fortune was going under. 2.ask for list of licensees from 2000. compare their current list. why lost so many licensees. 3.many those still running casinos with different software. email them opinion how much made. 4.ask who mark waters he work worked then google search on handa-lopez you'll find out about his business partners' convictions. 5.ask moved offices belize. 6.ask father living. 2840 i also play... minnesota fats a good bit above the required amount. first find out house edge. then multiply to how much can expect lose after wagering x amount of dollars. in addition don't cash large sums. instead make several 2 or 3 medium size withdraws over 10-14 day period. course i'm probably cautious. luck 2841 more details confused caruso before last week i probably would have said the same as you that is why downloaded jackpot city casino and signed up thought there be no problems. proc cyber has always got my wins to bank account or by check reliably times lost at least was not a cash advance fee on credit card. think even defended them when someone had problem with them. if add all casinos played 7 8 am new winner but big net some. in 2 months winning one losing other. win actually showed this while having for loss portion of buy left refunded reasonable amount time. now see sister gaming club which two other at. joined first online tried nearly years ago don't exact dates. remeber responded player ad can't remember deal it 30 get 50 something like that. detailed notes play wish did seems about broke small 30. scarce mentioned fortune do kind thing. member their still today getting vip offers special promotions from say they are everyone so assume higher list. also never little require know should stop help days where hate myself after loosing several day's pay few hours. hand hit royal earlier year ahead. any eworld paid quickly mention accounts fine far can tell. log some money week. asked answer ok. obviously until figure what going will else who knows happen money. contact took 3 email finally friendly way only decision information cyber. matter ask message back. whey potentially high risk doing. wont use lock deposit withdraw. anything. really bugs me. right let me choice good bad common courtesy phone locking chase down. why. asking too much. happening searched around found many people problems none exactly mine lately than consistant stream site mycasinoopinions.com boards links handy. lots complaints giving bonuses due mine. solution just booked trip vegas everything go smoothly. everyone...be careful. 2842 moving question multiple accounts lisa i am getting a divorse and moved back in with my parents for awhile to regroup. they play some online casinos that do too so don't know if means we are now breaking the casino rules since all live together but didn't before when signed up. what should can each still use our or once change address on accoutns will be closed definately want take promotions anything like afraid at sign up anywhere else. none of us have played except fun mode. would try much luck again ask any advice 2843 just follow the rules... anon32 one bonus per household. you can always check with casino and see what they have to say. good luck 2844 depends scarce observe the rules. some places do allow more than 1 account per household but most don't. if your new address is going to be same or you're use computer run into real problems. providing not which would cause confusion i'd call any place thinking of playing e-mail them and explain situation. other that you might better off just waiting until move. worst are rtg. cryptologic probably it at least sensible places. 2845 casino-on-net disputed promotion factor x denied myself and other members winnings due us from the september 26 2001 shaken not stirred promotion. we were primarily for failing to deposit day of those who read at casino-on-net's website did see this requirement. good reason it was stated. vahe baloulian manager said earlier on another message board that you are referring simply displays calendar events. also always give our benefit a doubt. actual color-coordinated sent as an attached file directorate offshore gaming which is sometimes referred antiguan commission. text follows . be judge. even before events... millions people around world i glued internet trying persuade what am seeing hollywood show. alas... brought reality by troubled looks employees have relatives working in twin towers. fortunately all them safe sound hope fast recovery suffered pray victims terrible tragedy. 17-21 winning streak casino-on-net. every five unbelievable days row will get 30 credited your bankroll playing favorite games. does matter game play. earn 50 bonus points with minimum 150 l drop into next morning. better through firepay or paypal during event double making 60 stirred. roulette aficionados appreciate tribute gambling artistry bond james bond. between 10 pm midnight european time 4 6 est these numbers rule table 007. anytime ball lands 0 7 payout. place bets magic take risk knows may one only live twice 1-27 wild vip club never seen ten drawn until 27th receive 100 250 500 bonuses deposited their bankrolls daily minimums buy required enter raffle. 28 finals. finalists qualified least once awarded each they 20 per 1-10 11-20 days. 40 more than played month but didn't qualify flat consolation prize. addition caribbean vacations two raffled september. need do gather last 09 can viewed sending e-mail factorx tampabay.rr.com 2846 questions about number of decks frank rizzo i am wondering if online casinos use a certain or they just random generator. specifically inquiring casino-on-net...any info would be greatly appreciated. 2847 4 decks caruso varies from single deck to eight decks. usually shuffle after every hand frankly whether it's dealt into max 30 or so not is irrelevant as counting online pretty suicidal. casino on net deals a four shoe - check their faq section for the info. 2848 details bill haywood how much did you deposit on which day s promotion believe were answering play aggregate bets 2849 details scarce seems there's a plethora of information about complaints on the web lately. check this thread out bill . 2850 specifics factor x the terms and conditions of promotion as stated at con website did not require a same day deposit. therefore myself others deposit that day. start 2-hour event i already had 1050 in my account. denied bonus to for failure make minimum 50 after later amended this requirement 20 . but they have refused pay those who made no has me 4000 promotional however been contact with 5-figure bonuses essentially reasons. played other promos past all required requirement. if it was should on their website. 2852 is this it bill haywood it's taken awhile to sift through and figure out what you are claiming but i gather not talking about the clearly written 9 16-21 promo one instead september 26 shaken stirred. between 10 pm midnight european time 4 6 est these numbers will rule roulette table 007. anytime ball lands on 0 or 7 we double payout. most active players have lost a bonus two because of bad writing usually when offer does make clear that for new accounts only. chased few those weeks never got it. although can see deposit requirement was made personally would assume required. played roullete even if somebody from customer support emailed back confirmed no necessary -- they be sure been making up rather than checking overruled by management. generally should skip ambiguous offers trouble ahead. at minimum get clarification in advance via email. there's an ocean complaints there sleazy practices. stirred expensive blatent enough pursue unless your first burn still learning . do expect generosity spirit anything having with gambling. you've gotta approach as business save energy burns. i'm assuming advantage player. you're gambler either stay off net forget bonuses play only cryptologic. remain convinced casino best that's reality. 2853 go new bill haywood i'd worry that everything would be fine until you try to cashout a big win. then they'll seize money either with an excuse or because they didn't notice before. getting advance clarification will enough some times but other the policy changes next supervisor's shift. it's sounds like you're gambler not advantage player so recommend going cryptologic sites your family does use. 2854 correct promo factor x bill yes you have the promo. your overall advice is good advice. that one should not assume a deposit requirement well-taken. i played promos where no was necessary. only been casino gambling on line for about 6 months now. wrote book so know ins-and-outs great deal more than or most other people do. on-line gambler cannot take anything granted. also all these logos and certifications whatnots found at casinos don't mean thing if want to pay player. do expect be paid by con . but am curious learn something along way as press my case. barred get some kind of blacklist it does matter me. lately has an ordeal trying collect from places. 2855 shades of... green baize vampire ...terrestrial casinos describe counters as cheaters. now all bonus hustlers are hackers. 2856 sports books nocable any concensus on who are the reliable i'm starting with zero knowledge... tia 2857 good place to start colin caster you'll get some information here more at sharpsportsbetting.com and much majorwager.com. luck 2858 a good portal scarce ...for books and general wagering. 2859 man with a brain the l good post bill. shakespeare could not have said it better. 2860 integrity of global player david smith should i question the honesty and casino if so can anyone refer me to a good honest online or site where they are ranked. 2862 gpdw caruso i played the gp deuces wild full-pay while they had it and went almsot a full royal cycle without seeing deuce quads - chances about 99.9 against my worst online experience to date. stats boys will tell me that's perfectly within expectation but wouldn't go back. 2863 casino-on-net pays 3990 disputed bonus factor x on october 29 2001 agreed to pay in full my winnings from the september 26 shaken not stirred promotion. amount was 3990.00. this money deposited account by and 2001. disagreement arose because some members were paid their promotion they did same day deposit. qualifier stated at casino site newsletter. however it promotions website. that why conflict arose. all saw deposit qualifier. vahe baloulian manager said weeks ago another message board we always give our benefit of a doubt. well case he has. i respectfully request casino- on-net those who participated but requirements first on-line ever played at. would recommend whenever anyone ask what is good internet play so happy having challenge casino-on-net. had viewpoint theirs. one additional note during ongoing 33 dispute never once took retaliatory action against me locking or responding e-mails whatever actions might have taken. am sure other casinos been as patient. for information factorx tampabay.rr.com 2864 no more please bob fisher you say went almost a full royal cycle without hitting deuce quads. i also assume hit natural flush either. seem to think that this is 1 000 shot. try 10 for cycle. do know about how many hands actually played have read some comments on the internet blackjack game may be crooked and my personal performance dismal at best. way tended lose others lost. am very concerned place quit playing. should mention did ok until cashed out big win then luck suddenly turned worse. 2865 painful dimes caruso i did great at the nickel level and in fact hit a royal 15 000 hands followed by an uninformed graduation to dimes. all went approx. 35 quadless was little loose with almost cycle definition - about 1 300 think losing total of 400 units over 40 hands. asked for copy my game logs recently which as yet they haven't provided but that's probably oversight i'll get back them. paymar says you need least 3-royal br be shot so this may just normal fluctuation wasn't prepared take chance on unregulated internet. it really like pumping money down toilet end. can play dw short periods still go up fair not here. 2866 number of decks and penetration - counting christopher a. morgan caruso couple days ago i received the below email from casino on net in response to my question re deck penetration. they said shuffle after each hand. was told by global-player.com phone supposedly manager that their multiple games re-shuffle randomly but with average 40-60 could not tell however when re-shuffled playing fake money a three game. provided game is honest it would appear be advantageous. you state above post online suicidal. why thanks. me thank for contacting us. blackjack are reshuffled therefore every hand get new reshuffling standard practice any card on-line casinos video land-based casinos. have sent link our faq page which includes rules answers many questions may have. http new.casino-on-net.com default.asp page2.asp if require further assistance this or other matter please feel free contact we here 24 hrs day everyday. sincerely jelise member support representative 2867 60 pen caruso what are your chances in a terrestrial casino with and this is at best the maths boys will tell you kind of spread you'd need to theoretically beat that game. then start each shoe wouldn't know how far get - 40 forget it. maybe 100 years 1 200 see edge. sheer suicide. there better ways lose money than this. i never played gp bj but read some very negative comments from those who did. did play their dw video poker got slaughtered. both my vibes others may be nothing more variance work global player well an honest outfit jury's out as i'm concerned. only reason count game they offer however imo home country does not have single couldn't find worse penetrated anywhere. assuming operation one fluctuation given requirements probably going wipe anyway. even slightest doubt about integrity.. around here experience me say same thing. counting. online advantage much easier 2868 casino-on-net has not given me the benefit of doubt yet... jazone17 i played same promo as factorx at casino on net. they first refused to honor promotion well. now that have paid should be paying too. a gives players is one which will feel safe returning sent then additional emails in light this recent turn events. post when con and though was misled by their promo. 2870 shuffling global-player bob fisher some games including the 3 deck game shuffle after every hand. way to tell is look at discard rack. if it orange decks were just shuffled. shows card backs wasn't listen caruso. 2871 crooked bj on net mikmuk can you please refer me to the article in question 2872 additional research - ideas christopher a. morgan caruso i did some more checking also see global message below using play money.. with the three deck game shuffles after each round. in four they shuffle 24 individual hands or thereabouts giving you less than 40 penetration for your last hand s . as say you'd have to a huge spread even any possibility make money if relying on betting and risk of loss assuming normal distribution would be too high justify it. do know line bj games kind decent 65 plus is only find best most favorable rules basic strategy forget counting at least perhaps use system playing correlation versus one either not vary bets keep down 2-1 max. since are table can right next memorize new system. what think thanks. chris 2873 any online casinos that don't shuffle after each hand mark smith are there out allow players to at least emplore some kind of counting methods please advise. 2874 not a good idea green baize vampire few such as stanley acropolis give token penetration. but for card counter no online game is remotely close to even the worst games you can find in real world. advantage players are after bonuses. why play with 0.5 edge when hundreds of casinos offer 50-100 edges via attractive promotions. 2875 penetration online christopher a. morgan global-player.com offers 4 deck of about 24 hands before shuffle roughly 80-90 cards 40 but under your last hand s . not good something. see my posts below. you can play with fake money without having to register after dl their software. they offer 1 and 3 games every round. in limited research - too many casinos i found some only 8 shuffling who would that chris 2876 i just don't think its practical green baize vampire global-player.com offers 4 deck penetration of about 24 hands before shuffle roughly 80-90 cards 40 but under your last hand s . not good something. see my posts below. you can play with fake money without having to register after dl their software. they offer 1 and 3 games every round. beating such a game is possible could easily have negative swings for years or even decades return on investment would be extremely small. really the that were already been burned out. in limited research - too many online casinos found some only 8 shuffling who if away free playing few hundred as most do then yes would. much 30 bonus deposit an amount action equivalent 2-3 deposit. it take very long time get type from counting alone. appreciate inquisitiveness willingness rare qualities these forums must either try exploit promotions stick terrestrial casinos. doing otherwise will leave open virtually infinite ror several players tried out misfortune. 2877 real deal on net 7up at drho.com has anyone tried it 2878 global player bj same b.s. from my experience with the blackjack games but if you happen to win they do pay. 2879 casino-on-net ace of spades please start a thread commenting on both positive and negative experiences regarding casino-on-net. i might try some on-line action this place has been referred to frequently. does anyone think their bj game is fair. are cash-outs prompt easy ever get double billed your card the comp program ok any good bonuses should stay away info will be appreciated. 2880 they are one of the best outfits out there. nt anon32 2883 con... jazone17 well i posted here recently about how casino on net had not paid me for a promotion participated in. they claim did follow the rules which was true except that there were no to follow... since then have cleaned up their page and clearly stated any rules. also decided give 45 of bonus money won during promotion. seem very fair as in all my play never questioned fairness cards or games. if your gonna try are good one try. 2884 casino-on-net - much better than most factor x paid me in full a disputed bonus of 3990.00. they also made partial payments to two others that i am aware including jazone17. the other person received 5-figure payment. all three us were disputing same september promotion. settled matter separately with casino-on net management. 2885 what should i do not my usual name the gaming club casino deposited 150 won 145. 145 was directly to account. be refunded credit card but as of yet nothing. seems telling me that they have done their part money. don't. this 15 days ago. know sometimes stuff takes weeks given say money and it isnt in account am concerned. emailed 3 times called once. advice appreciated. 2886 microgaming casinos have lackluster customer support kathleen turner overdrive and i think their games are rigged but that's off topic. keep after them. this type of problem isn't all that uncommon. a few sites good about taking care sort thing casino-on-net comes to mind . most places won't bother. doing so would take time out from hourly bong hit beer chasing island women. very poor in service department they rarely follow up if you problem. bugging will fax everything including your first born child. the likely be resolved. luck i've been there kto 2889 opposite in my opinion caruso having notched up a fair tally of mgs i think can post valid experience i've never had cause to complain about any aspect mg operation - good support particularly phone email also fast payments re-credit deposit and wins games used question the bj game but since records show i'm actually on itself changed mind. we all suffer from selective memory forget doubles receiving 10s remember only those 2s 3s 4s. poster surprised you're problem with gaming club. you say 145 was directly deposited account . don't follow. should have 295 your plus 150 bonus which lost 5 right they send cheque credit card deposit. sure there is simply some unusual delay finding its way back card. their e cash handled by proc cyber they're rock solid no for concern. it'll be sorted. 2891 c.o.n. winner i've been playing with casino-on-net for about a year now and have absolutely no complaints. their bonus comp programs are some of the best seen. cash-outs prompt consistent customer service reps always respond. pretty lucky blackjack game won quite bit. 2892 drho.com winner just checked out and i don't like their withdrawal limits 5000 in a 30 day period. that alone is enough to keep me away. 2893 vegas strip casinos mj i see that the are now sending out larger bonuses up to 1000 free. does anyone know if they have caught on paying people yet sure looks like a decent offer you can expect be paid in resonable amount of time. thanks 2894 vegas strip chris they have not caught up yet on paying people. their processor went down so all payouts been delayed. 2895 golden comps and 5 roses casino scams bobby i have received offers from each of these casinos. they offer 25 bonuses for paypal firepay deposits. made purchases requested the bonuses. time was told that not on marketing list. forwarded email to casinos proving directly. even though proved it them at said your name does appear lists refused give me bonus. instead gave a 10 bonus requiring same amount play before cashout 6 times deposit . since this exact incident has occurred twice sister appears both rtg are running scam attract promise but always find player is would avoid dishonest bobby. 2896 that's really odd scarce a 6x offer with 25 bonus from rtg casino is nothing to jump up and down about. many players would not bother. if i were you wouldn't play there again send them an e-mail explaining why. it also hurt hit the major message boards your complaint as seem be doing now. most casino's honor request even name didn't appear on their magic list simply chalk mistake part or price of business. this has happened before i'm guessing either you've won lot these type promotions in past played promotion haven't been entitled too. way doesn't they want repeat customer. 2897 after a little research.... scarce evidently this is happening with great frequency there at both golden comps and five roses. i read some more other message boards chatted friend who also had happen. the manager paul jerkins jergens laid down law for him. stupid places. sigh 2899 same here caruso twice i received exactly these promo emails from 5 roses i've e mailed them asking if was in actual fact entitled to they've replied that too am not on the list . i'm intrigued discover there are others boat. since played at and been paid by no complaint with them. but this is a little tedious. can't take part don't invite me memo - check treble your entitlement before going ahead claim. think necessarily falls into scam category just yet. get-yourself-organized-you-brainless-jerks one maybe 2900 the funny part bobby is they asked me to forward email i received prove that it came from casinos. did so. agreed had a point but still refused give bonus. in both cases told them deduct 10 bonus and cashed out without playing at all. previously only played initial sign up bonuses losing my entire purchase one winning on other. think this scam attract deposits pay much lesser most players probably just accept play on. 2901 golden comps five roses dongambler your better off not being on the list at these places. they have pulled a lot more then this including screwing one player out of about 9 000 in winnings. big warning here stay away. 2902 drho.com blackjack jeff i want to play real deal and this is the only online casino that offfer it as best know. a trustworthy place thanks 2903 lasseters proof of id requirement green baize vampire require you to provide age before making any withdrawl. this is buried away in the help section where i doubt anyone would notice it. signed up on basis gamesmaster's recommendation and fact they have a terrestrial gaming board regulating them-and indeed i've no complaints so far apart from issue. however find extremely annoying since should obviously be being allowed gamble. implication that underage kids are piss their money but not collect. now compromise my cover arse about with malfunctioning scanner. isn't online fun 2904 need help snipes i am sorry if this topic has been brought up every day for the last x years but brand-spankin' new. about ready to try an online casino play black jack. have downloaded software practice with fake cash from sands of caribean and it is slick. readying myself real money play. however before jump in want know place legit not where a good site also there on or another that will answer these kind general faq's new folks as explained by sources companies themselves thanks time... 2905 don's right stay away from these two. nt opa mary 2906 not my first choice caruso sotc is a crypto outfit with 10 times deposit bonus wagering requirement - bit hairy for newbie. ain't favourite software personal matter and just about every microgaming has better offers than this. suggest you start there. check out the listings at winneronline.com. 2907 it is trustworthy bobby i have played a 3 promotions at this boss software casino. they paid within two days of cashout each time by paypal and honored their bonus offers. found casinos to be very reliable. as your comment that dr ho the only place play there are about 1000 other on line available. 2908 he means something else scarce the part about real dealers dealing cards--supposedly. this is in full version which not boss media and a pretty stiff 70 mb download. whether will get fair game or subject to debate. casinos macau are notoriously bad run by same stanley ho. i wouldn't expect online offer anything resembling an opportunity for advantage play. 2909 notoriously bad spearmaster quote -the real casinos in macau are and run by the same stanley ho. how about some explanations you have no idea who what ho is to people hk macau. i may not like their live software - but for honesty integrity this probably one casino on net that absolutely cannot challenge. 2910 no lasseters from us asap i just went through their signup regimen only to find that can't play the usa. of course doubt online is entirely legal for a citizen anywhere. my father once told me it easier get forgiveness than permission. 2911 i had no problems there. asap however caruso's advice is right on target re microgaming shops. cryptologic has also been reputable software. rtg software houses can be problematic and best avoided at first. 2912 stanley ho said in hk newspaper that drho.com is run by... jeff hdrho.com by...his son law and he not involve the operation.he only let him use his name to do business.sounds like already finding an excuse if something bad happen. i want play a progression real deal blackjack my opinion different from computer simulation game.is there any other online 2913 reply scarce notoriously bad how about some explanations you have no idea who and what stanley ho is to people in hk macau. i was referring specifically blackjack conditions there which are abominable. as for yes do a very good of he means that region. just wish his casinos were worth playing in. here recent post from green chip generic enough hope the writer will not mind my reposting. wasn't aware 10 charge 3 wins. truly odious practice. posted by ccc on 31 october 01 44 p.m. response macau martin surrendsr csms s17 hole card double 11 only half 5 cards if five busted can choose pay need beat dealer . slow. dealers burn 2 each run. back bet highest better call card. win times straight collect your wagerings without approval. refuse result stopping game lots persuations... yor sure want step into 2914 alright snipes thanks. not sure what crypto is are the odds this software worse or something and rtg stands for i'm in newbie hell i guess . 2915 link caruso click on the software screen left microgaming tons of good newbie offers big improvement sotc 10 times deposit bonus nightmare. 2916 intercasino scarce that crypto site is still only 6x and probably the worth playing for bonus. it does get worse. safari instance a 50 bonus on deposit or more i think may be 100 but who cares play 3000 essentially 30x offer 2917 house edge on drho.com blackjack.. jeff is around 0.65-0.7 not good but i guess that's the only choice if you want real deal blakjack. 2918 security code rules debbie_h41 yahoo.com email me for some very valuable info on the codes cc we could compare notes profittable results. finally someone that is at level i am 2919 hands off spearmaster that is correct - his son-in-law peter kjaer who i had the pleasure of meeting last week even if first thing did was give him a hard time in front 85 conference attendees. stanley hands-off simply because he knows nothing about internet. there no other live game on net at moment. 2920 my apologies spearmaster i apologize lol. but that has nothing to do with the casinos or any relationship online casino bears stanley ho's name. macau dealers are notorious for tipping themselves from your winnings - and it doesn't necessarily take three in a row sucks big time. only thing could is ban practice sometimes wonder why he hasn't. just make you feel bit better... his son-in-law exactly like either neither this certainly does not reflect badly on dr. ho. 2921 good stuff snipes that site winneronline is just what i'm looking for now it's time to lose er i mean win money 2922 what's your impression about him .. jeff and i wonder what hard time you give 2923 good man spearmaster i think he's a straightshooter - he had no hesitation in answering the questions posed to him at conference even though they were quite tough nature. can also be funny. further email conversation with thanked me for actually posing those because said it would have been hard present answers without someone asking and felt that everyone wanted know same thing. may so-so about first but i'm convinced now is businessman if not 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gamling trouble kim hello there i am in search of someone that can help me to find where might need go get some on gambling hit the jackpot a casino and they will not pay off. however offered 200 instead. uh huh... right fair square good faith made bet at their casino... keep mind have been year did off do want settle when know hit. emails from them show no idea what game was even playing.. after further looking into this then relizing playing different game.. point 200... but... still would begged call not... phone contact either. also witness win thank you zlovebird yahoo.com 2938 need more details dongambler you to give us information on this.. name of casino amount jackpot game were playing what exactly are they saying claiming it was a malfunction or just flat out refusing pay please post details. 2939 more details on slotland kim my god.... thank you for getting back to me i was playing at casino http www.slotland.com they are saying it a malfunction. the jackpot was... 58 535. 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others webmaster and several other similar websites seem to have degenerated into a group of chronically whining online gamblers who are determined get the latest casino that has done them wrong . it become sport with them. as result these organizations appear make little in way positive contribution subject. unfortunately complainer can run ground effectively spamming forums negative information may be unfairly biased. you simply cannot rely on reported forums. this is reason we created casinoplayerspoll.com forum where players objectively criticize compliment casinos their choice. but need player participation. if an please visit take brief survey few experience with. over time provide valuable unbiased tons alternative casinos. participate. 2946 submit it again tell 'em mary sent ya opa the did switch servers gawd i sound like a casino about that time. you may have gotten lost then. if is for on not recommended list there ain't sh t we can do those are casinos just stonewall and interested in protecting their reputation with players. yeah kim an member won't help. we're swamped. sometimes manage to swing settlement all affected players tropika whether or they members clearly organized mass lockout part of we'll add non-members list. yes message boards look nothin' but bitchin'. it's only enforcement at this point--to try warn other don't put basis one complaint from player. contact get side. 2947 banana4 how long do you wait play i just recently got into this bonus thing. i've deposited and played at some of the microgaming sites with smallish bonuses. my first lost about 10 buy-in. cashed out immediately after dipped below original buy-in no problem. yesterday started on second site which is 100 700 have given a total 1000 in action between today. am up 50 not including actually hasn't come yet but it been 24 hours . intend to give them more would be too premature cash by end week for example if ring another 500 tomorrow i'm still winning or break-even received does look fishy thursday thanks. 2948 sorry reversed the fields nt banana4 2949 don't worry about it scarce you could cash out without playing anymore if felt like and simply wait for the bonus. as long meet at least minimum requirements you're free to whenever. some players play many times never flat bet a means of looking more gambooler . with they are nowadays i believe in such cover tactics myself. when starting there is lot fear paranoia bonus hunting. will get paid my deposit back etc. except extreme cases dodgy software or places going under every reputable place give offered had not given refund your payment timely manner pay within month. gain confidence how this all works you'll probably be one casino per day. 2950 pointless nt scarce 2951 re pointless nt webmaster i do believe it is for those who have developed a hobby of manning the discussion forums these people merely an activity to consume time. but provide little meaningful information. are interested in useful accurate assessments will participate and benefit from true survey which eliminates bias presents truer picture. we encourage all participate. 2952 the rake.... mj is from 1.75 down to .50 could be enough kill game. we shall see. 2953 re always capture a screen shot nt webmaster yes this will really help. player dear customer service i did win the jackpot. see attached screenshot. it's proof. now pay up okay. shot. but don't have any illusion about it making difference whatsoever. 2954 not much different really... opa mary the same people who kvetch on forums will be respond to poll. and how do you make sure that poll is swamped with marketing weasels posing as players organization it easier for research a site's history all in one place without having use search function. i'm guarantee unbiased though i agree completely worthy goal. just think would more politic stress positive aspects of your approach instead slamming others' efforts. actively engages casinos dialog trying resolve player complaints has fact done so any players. message boards are fast way disseminate information astonishingly popular cryptologic bought www.winneronline.com because 350 000 unique views month. casinogazette radio broadcasts have 60 listeners. know lot small press magazines love those kinds numbers or discourage most prolific posters questioning their motives 2955 re pointless nt webmaster we developed the site as an alternative to negative bashing that goes on in online forums. while don't guarantee it is unbiased doesn't suffer from let's jump bandwagon and bash xyz casino this week syndrome. because survey measured less subject emotions of moment believe we'll have good results with it. taken care try limit ability participants spam poll -- these procedures seem be working thus far. very early process. however are pleased find initial respondents overall been more positive than negative. expect post any for some time takes a get traffic sufficient numbers anything meaningful. but we're encouraged. i think rather being critical message board forum i'd just say offering reasonably scientific approach over should yield information which casinos people like they don't. there place both kinds reporting. if can visitors participate exceptionally fair reckoning situation. do those who interested improving quality gaming available will willing spend minute or two rate couple perhaps their most least favorite no others. whos primary interest chit-chatting about latest barrings not appreciate what doing. original respondent my said was . depends you're trying accomplish. you kill want discussion forums that's one thing. cut chase best worst places play would point. guess tell.... 2956 thanks... banana4 it strikes me as sorta weird that the casinos will cash you out so quickly after collecting your bonus with no hassles. i read hayward book and seems like he advises giving them way more than required play. thanks for insight. 2957 casino players poll factor x i went to this one page web site and there is no specific information given as who runing it. are also survey results currently available. it a faceless site. am always very wary of such sites for never knows sure why being collected what purpose may be put use. 2958 opa - not all bad factor x i am an member. there have been a couple of times when the has helped me. last time was unable to collect over 1000 in winnings from grand banks casino. e-mailed my complaint and steve adkins that weekend night forwarded banks. within 48 hours money released e-cash account. coincidence maybe. are some things don't like about do like. is life. worth 25.00 investment. yes so far it has. understanding made up mostly volunteers they swamped. will evolve stay afloat just on-line casinos continue ahead rest. may be falling behind thing. hope can catch move forward. maybe should request percentage monies recovered addition membership fee. conceptually great idea essentially consumers union for casino gamblers. itself makes revolutionary idea. keep pace such organization needed. 2959 re casinoplayerspoll webmaster yes let's think about what sinister purpose this information might be put to other than the stated one. c'mon paranoid. jeez site doesn't even collect any participant visitors are permitted enter an email address if they want notification as when results available but is optional and unrelated taking of survey . 2960 haywood's book scarce ...is a bit dated in my opinion. when he wrote it requirements were often as low deposit and bonus. nowadays 3x is around the minimum for most places with 5x closer to norm. you can expect see anywhere from 6x up 30x sillier places. 2961 random number generator all_in i'll cut to the chase... does anyone else suspect that rng can be rigged if so provide proof... hypothetically speaking...the dealer is a ghost and cards i see are just graphics...and dealers memory extends well beyond mine isn't it possible host detect trends give himself beautiful picture of an ace or ten card whenever needs win... were programmer which am not then could probably come up with some program like this... would illegal...possibly but this medium doesn't exactly have strong police force... 2962 rigged rngs vpr man can be made to distribute random numbers pursuant almost any probability distribution. so of course they rigged. if you were wanting make a game that cheats is how you'd do it probably not. more likely would simply have code does what wanted do. dealer hasn't had enough 21s lately no problem just keep pulling cards till get one. it's simple and has nothing with the rng itself. machines in regulated gaming jurisdictions are tested. algorithm burned into chip closely monitored after installation. software tested as its reliability by commission personnel prior approval for use. installation aware changes chips machines. at online casinos anything goes. writing guts fair or unfair vp weekend exercise graduating sr. cs. this mean all games many businesses understand continually screwing their customers destiny predetermined. there way player know not unless he joins other players aggregate results. 2963 aggragate review all_in . is there any way a player can know no not unless he joins with other players and they aggregate their results. vprman you expand on this bit please. i've recently recieved casino cd from fiestacasinos.com. does anyone have info site. commoner 2964 fiesta is cryptologic scarce with the recent debacle at some boss sites assumes top software post for reliability and fairness. this all to say you shouldn't have any problems there. 2965 intentions all_in thanks for that info on fiesta... although i should come clean...i doubt i'll ever put a dime against casino...my are to resolve the problem...once have solution negative odds if there actually is one then be able teach and sell info...not in hope joe public will go out gamble but he she not gamble... guess sense would me above odds.... commoner 2966 why i said that scarce a simple ratings system without any personal input is rather pointless. you really have to go the whole nine yards and give detailed information something which won't get with points system. as an example i'll www.themoneytour.com excellent site unfortunately no longer maintained. there was often testimony from reliable source. alas amount of effort probably not worth it in long run for people who ran site. i'd agree most sites are useless. content spam axe-grinding cases miniscule. at present read only three dozens around. two those cluttered neophyte comments. best search features will allow someone sift through make their own decisions. course since this board comprised so-called advantage players online casino bonus's would be outmost interest importance. short what you're offering already exists. 2967 stay away won't pay me. nt fieldy 2968 advantage players need joe public... captain jack we somebody to lose so there will be money pay our winnings. if public wants go ahead and gamble at a negative expectation game i say let them. historically enlightening the mathematics of gambling has never resulted in any change industry. people like they get thrill from risk. rigged rng's are nothing compared intrinsic house slots keno or your average state lottery. 2969 strange response to feedback opa mary that was honest feedback. why so defensive it is an uninviting design--black background no back story few graphics. paranoia about data collection completely justified on the web in my opinion. anyway casinopoll. it's a good idea but doesn't offer positive participants. forum posters get of attention sometimes personal thanks. reward for survey distant and based altruism. this won't induce responses from most people. 2970 exactly nt scarce 2971 interest in the games... all_in you're right captain jack... i'm not stupid enough to believe that i or anyone else could stop joe public from gambling... already have two people on this thread telling me rng can be rigged... that's interesting me...what i'd like do is inform as many possible about fact and supply them with a formula where they study it for themselves...if made money at then sense beat odds by making profit industry... maybe same time i'll save few destroying their life family chasing charlie..charlie being charlatan who can't play straight game.... getting long so...my game useless casino but works against very so only fool would consider using profession... commoner 2972 criticisms webmaster we appreciate constructive at all our sites. cpp is not about editorials or flashing graphics. there plenty of that around and it worth what you pay for it. has a very straightforward concise purpose in life. we'll see how do response-wise over time. as to the data collection question with respect anyone who would we're collecting either doesn't understand lot internet just plain paranoid. have been three individuals suggest may be some illicit use these data. could any one such an even simply isn't collected survey poses threat particularly since no personal information part survey. silly person will make deposits play withdrawals online casino nothing short paranoia but perhaps rampant. considered immediate response poll reasons cite future date. however involved surveys knows careful don't bring bias into by spoonfeeding results participants. after sufficent number responses i suspect evolve toward feedback arrangement kind -- expect this few months down road. criticism input missing from precisely must get away meaningful result. forum sites are great those want discuss casino's transgressions they little providing other players can rely on. if can't measure anyway feel threatened should take interested hearing threats fearful of. respondents where goes. thanks your suggestions... 2973 about paranoia... opa mary there are other ways to collect data than from the poll responses. your site could also be putting something onto user's computer. use a human touch my guess is that when you take meyer-briggs personality test value reason over emotion impatient with others prefer stick technical tasks can objectively measured and can't stand art museums. that's fine if want gather similar types. but will miss input of emotional impulsive artistic or imaginative players. 2974 mostly agree green baize vampire conceptually the opa is a great idea - it essentially consumers union for on-line casino gamblers. that in itself makes revolutionary idea. i just hope they can continue to keep pace such an organization needed. i'm not member i've got lot of feedback recently from online gamblers suggesting do more good than bad. i'd prefer patronize players-only on principle but relationship enjoys with casinos themselves appears less incestuous example government regulatory bodies and their industries. 2975 intercasino green baize vampire i have recently deposited money with joining largely on the strength of scarce's recommendation below and fact they use cryptologic software. a post by paul stark who is probably rob singer suggests been delaying payment. lacks credibility as writer but i've no reason to think he would fabricate such which quite detailed. has anyone else had problems 2976 you should do better than me scarce they send from london england instead of toronto canada. wagering is 100 and 1200 minimum. definitely the best cryptologic site in my opinion. cheques to here now take 3-4 weeks which was only a week when were sent toronto. 2977 much better than these folks out there... caruso ...if you want to make a quid or two. 2978 impossible to card count on-line blackjack dan hi all am a uk bj player and need some advice. is it possibe cards whilst playing in casinos we don't know can't see exactly how many decks are left the dealers hand as it's computer generated graphics. restricted basic strategy may be get true-count. any advice would greatly appreciated. 2980 impossible realistically caruso hello fellow brit. the best pen you'll get is about 40 you'd need a gargantuan spread and practically unlimited br to fund such futile endeavour. forget any form of advantage play online which isn't bonus-based. 2981 agree green baize vampire forget about any form of advantage play online which isn't bonus-based. card counting is generally not desireable and i've never done it. the gamesmaster discovered a few angles wrote various articles on these approaches i found super 7's article particulary interesting - but gm appears to have unusual degree expertise in this area most games he are offered anymore anyway. know what you were thinking would dispute however that non-bonus always bad idea. some sites linking casinos offer loss rebates based commissions-under ideal circumstances can actually be more valuable than bonuses themselves if doing. similarly netcasino seeds it rng predictably averse taking that. does happen occassion. 2982 shhhh.. scarce similarly if a netcasino seeds it rng predictably i would not be averse to taking advantage of that. this does actually happen on occassion. 2983 pharaoh's casino single deck caruso has anyone tried this i recently had the following spectacular results 123 hands played 143 units wagered 40 lost. three and a half sds down. free play both before after normal feel. but then that's offline mode so hardly surprising it plays normally. playing 100 hand would yield approx. 20 per hour win rate on rules alone. enough players correctly surely drive them out of business yet... i've average in boss multi-player at other casinos past - variance is one thing was staggering. seen nothing like to date not few thousand bj online off . any thoughts experiences 2984 just curious scarce ..why would you consider this result staggering admittedly i too get pissed-off when happens but it does happen. try playing at vegasusa2 planetluck starluck and many other places. then you'll learn the meaning of --as one poster put it--being raped online . 2985 and for the record scarce ..my own results with single-player version have been pretty good a few notable exceptions. i've played multi-player most part though since newer was introduced. almost all boss casinos now offer it. found it somewhat prudent to disregard stated ev of online games unified gaming had supposedly 0.53 player single-deck game. 2986 so i should smell a rat... caruso you say i've found it somewhat prudent to disregard the stated ev of online games... and try playing at vegasusa2 planetluck starluck many other places. then you'll learn meaning --as one poster put it--being raped . we know those places are gaffed quite frankly when see casino which requires that make deposit simply get into damn thing run mile. assume worst. suggesting this game is pharoahs would be my only reason projected not consider 3 1 2 sds westwards result little staggering date been able grumble about any bj played or two. have particular notable exceptions free play feels normal real stinks positive if random could harmful their bottom line. smells bad me even in cold light day. 2987 yes bob fisher the acropolis group of casinos deals a 6 deck game with penetration rather consistent 2 decks dealt 4 cutoff 33 . ac rules resplit including aces mid shoe exit and 10-1 bet spread 1 or hand option. global player offers game. is 55-1 to 5 hands exit. about 40 in 60 rounds 2. ndas weird baden-baden. unified gaming offer plus no late surrender except against an ace unless you also take insurance. good 55-80 but narrow at 1- 10 level. if raise your stakes get squeezed on spread. i should mention have done very poorly global-player. was great when they had early now marginal even honest. 2988 reply scarce are you suggesting that this game is gaffed pharoahs would be my only reason to disregard the projected ev and not consider a 3 1 2 sds westwards result little staggering i really don't know if or not. believe in random non-random pertaining online play. it just doesn't matter me. do playable . date i've been able grumble about any bj played one two. have particular at casino of notable exceptions yes almost all boss sites nearly three years doing this. started playing multideck rather than single-deck mid 2000. records indicate pharaohs once with single deck several times multideck. won 50 sd on small deposit. few were kiss where didn't win hand something like 0-16-4. wasn't impressed but was purchase. had similar experience twice oriental least hands free play feels normal real stinks positive which could harmful their bottom line. smells bad me even cold light day. mmm.. worry it. there plenty places out there. again forget percentages etc. for i'm more surprised when software plays blackjack am by off-the-wall results. learn roll move on. exaclty ringing endorsement type activity 2989 caught using multiple accts by net club casino amber i have played a lot of on line bj chasing bonuses with some success. few weeks ago was accts. casino. my sister allows me to use her name address and cc give portion the profit. two separate computers at house same isp local . dedicated phone for each these computers. lives in different state. cannot figure out how me. can casinos determine area code person is calling from they informed that play came so targeted more than code. has last as but totally address. do not offers simultaneously. know coming when there are am puzzled. anyone any idea can't it out. help much appreciated. 2990 quite agree caruso excellent points you make normally i'm not bothered too much about the ev question either although my results do all lie within very acceptable margins unfortunately on two occasions i broke rules and played for alone - global player deuces wild pharoah's single deck both exploits now regretted but investment in experience was invaluable. hell i've made rather less this week than should have. worse things happen at sea. 2991 problem caruso you were cheating and got caught. this kind of behaviour causes nothing but trouble for players casinos alike. won't find any support around here. 2992 they only need the ip address swiss pro a server you call does not get information about your phone line - but from of connection one can determine isp and probably that use same dialup isp. logging out an account on in other without hanging up would be especially bad since two connections originate address. any case it will very suspect if both accounts seem to physical location should differ different mail addresses . 2993 masking isp's green baize vampire a simple way round isp traces is to use two different browsers. some service providers actually create new for individual customers every time they go on line. specialist subscription services exist mask your ip though that might be an indication of foul play in itself. i sort agree with caruso here don't share the venom. its cheating or pretty close it and not really neccessary either-enough reputable books casinos online recursive promotions using multiple accounts all desireable. btw-swiss pro switzerland has gamblers 2994 using the same isp wasn't very bright scarce if you were going to engage in this type of activity why not shell another 20 month for 2995 phone calls green baize vampire a server you call does not get information about your line - but from the ip address of connection one can determine isp and probably that use same dialup isp. i'm sure this-in uk device called meridian is used almost universally by switchboards automatically flashes up number caller. whether this data logged or less likely it may contravene protection laws indeed operations i know don't do it. in theory yes its quite easy to trace lines unless caller makes conscious effort be traced. 2996 a little known fact dreamer is that if you were to use aol as your isp it would be very hard for them trace they only have small subset of dynamic ip addresses. what this means in plain english many millions users share few could also spoof address but naughty and something i am certainly not going tell how do. d. 2997 most isps do log calls but........ dreamer this info is not physically passed on via the internet. it for internal logging purposes and normally used refference in complaint legal matters. to trace an ip address a very simple matter useing various traceroute tools. once you have traced case of using some basic social engineering skills garner further info. d. 2998 proxy lesson 2 railbird i posted a basic tutorial about proxies on the bj_misc page nov 15. recommend you go there and check it out. read then more computer browsing security at http www.all-nettools.com in addition remember this. whenever visit site they capture several things from you. 1. your ip address 2. platform 3. type of browser 4. windows version 5. internal date time if have settings set to very minimal level can get much by using java activex script. now reinforce this do privacy anon.htm click test1 will all information just mentioned. copy msword for viewing later time. carefully paying special attention sections traceroute domain registry . is showing router hubs that data has taken left arrived it's termination point. shows who or think pertaining including location. my first post would know how use proxies. following guidelines enter these numbers. 64.67.52.163 port 8080 back here again. compare results. congratulations. masked identity. want continue charades with online casinos need trick them into believing are different people. not casinos. but takes quite bit effort. involve other people's credit cards. own cards additional issued names. legal. currently over 20 pseudonames. also maildrops such as mailbox etc. similar. computers operating systems browsers good idea. crossed up multiple personalities. create dossier each pertinent give net casino. establish an email account each. while opening casino make sure right account. messages send out so important assign when corresponding. look like fool claim businessman cleveland ohio australia. keep accurate records. start. spent many hours learning everything can. further reading suggest subjects difference between anonymous non-anonymous session cookies hurt. learn purge computer. whois search ip. property detail message source emails interpret information. finally spite planning screw up. be ready it. expire blocks might restrict gambling sites. unless willing devote lots profession stick being yourself. regards rb 2999 slotland kim first of all... i want to say that have tried just about every place on the net looking for help found no one will truly you however did get many emails from people sending me different places might be able help.. tell ya people... called doj fbi name it them am fighting mad over this finally....i now getting results could not gotten if there were some kind message boards out like this. now... do everyone know hit jackpot 58 535 casino and they pay off was an error... but in email sent someone trying said..... we encounter situation once or twice a year seems nothing can alleviate player all is 3000 ip addresses vpr man most isp's assign you a dynamic address at the time login. if login now you'll get something like 24.207.14.201 but tomorrow maybe 24.207.14.207 -- different on same subnet. can always check your current by dropping out to dos prompt and typing ipconfig all this will tell what you're using. they just for calls from subnet they'll catch 24.207.14 . entire won't. it is possible particularly smaller isps that time. anyway i would assume logged some point caught up with way. does seem totally reasonable casino give boot since did however. 3001 my results anononek players can make their own judgements about boss being fair. single deck game flat bet 488 hands lost 72 units that's 3 sd's down. i couldn't win a hand doubles and splits killed me always the wrong card small cards on etc. emailed casino asked for record of play. they sent wins loses but refused to send which showed composition each hand. rtg will this information microgaming makes available with playcheck. does have something hide don't know answer that question. draw your conclusions stopped playing. 3003 support anononek you won't find any around here. please speak for yourself. 3004 name and isp are enough bill haywood how can they know the play is coming from same house when there two computers. very well did not for certain that you were playing house. surname on no doubt tipped them off guessed rest. they're aware families often live in different locations so address won't help much. especially if other person within 500 or miles of you. assume both names now unsafe at any place sharing software with net club rt once identify a non-loser run far greater risk having your account seized. only need computers but isps must. an locale. i had casino i'd be interested players state area code something . many it would unmanageable amount data to glance even some larger places. 3005 mind games skeptic this reminds me of something i was involved in several years ago. the m candy company having a contest that game pieces. grand prize 1m instant. then there were 3 second place prizes 100k. if you collected all pieces won about 9 different needed to collect. some more available than others but 1 piece only had cards printed nationally. so basically got valuable card would collect 100k because readily available. millions people who particpated waiting for complete their collection. single mom knew nothing eating at her apartment. she noticed since wasn't saving them tossed it trash. days later talking someone and found out one threw out. or thought. convinced hand. called apartment manager garbage hauler has already taken load landfill. local tv stations picked up on interviewed her. while crying sobbing 150 000 winner. mental physical wreck. beating herself up. authorities even closed off portion landfill they using time case wanted search bag bag. politicians logical thing do get contact with comapany find could verify issued part country. no winners confirmed which meant still circulating around. anyway tight lipped. neither nor denied anything. statement until ended months away. brigade started. friends coworkers searched few city attorney said liablity health reasons end. woman came back pissed everyone. ticket way life government assistance will never another chance life. tear jerker those watching. after 2 prize. third batch m's distributed florida area 1900 miles from where claimed purchased locally is have winning piece. addition companies records show when it. not lying trying commit crime. actually i'm sure are medically qualified explain why happens people. know powerful tool. maybe reason casino did hit jackpot set winners. take 200 offered your good luck you. 3007 what did net club do when they found out you get your money nt soldier of fortune 3008 cybercroupier group now opa not recommended mary the is in process of returning deposits to players less 31 fees some sort who played a recent promotion. they have also deducted previously granted bonuses from these same accounts. here cybercroupier's position response an email text quotes dear s. adkins thanks for your sorry it's taken couple days get back you - i just got it this morning and having read must say feel disappointed hear deeply disturbed by our actions locking certain people's accounts at one or more casinos. we've lot criticism over last week so taking stand we did firstly most importantly would like make crystal clear that we're business steal money. neither are arrogant corporate monsters such contempt their customers think can do what with regular guys trying run as much integrity possible. if may i'd go through points raised give straight answers each them... 1 recently ran bonus program men's vegas women's mini oriental riverboat which involved multiple emails hundreds inviting them participate. t c constructed yourselves made possible those invited wager claim up three times day on okay first all particular loyalty promotion does invite per re-read carefully you'll see offer actually invites 10 calendar month meet minimum deposit requirements vary casino casino. 2 despite fact many gamblers exactly rules were subsequently locked out accusations undefined abuse told receive only winnings bonus. took place after had wagered affected screened prior wagering. again should be facts here. will full along any value free money received since november 1st 2001. funds already been issued shortly. stated abuse. well idea dealing here... every time offered casinos hit industry calls hunters systematically come online when terms wagering before cashing without playing dime own people don't necessarily break promotions but plain they're doing. defining parameters isn't simple. always black white issue that's precisely why reserve right take view player activity know perfectly entitled no secret it. course player's account due has can't around reason need concrete evidence abusing before. 3 management posted using non-appeal unidentified negative database screen so-called abusers define. least possibly first-time novices yet mysteriously raising grave concerns about motives c-c group. detailed logs everyone gambles monitor constantly. announced new immediately inundated eager play once we'd checked noticed addition genuine there unprecedented number clearly interested reasons i've outlined above. funny thing majority cases methods used across short doing apparently consider divine rip off dumb enough opportunity. felt was enough. let us longer calculated year alone lost than 1million hunters. tell scourge gaming. decided tough stand. months identified other several thousand guilty accordingly too. ones whose slipped net previously. perpetrated both complete practised art. human mistakes else. hold hands handful unfairly time. they've unlocked apology accepted error on. 4 proof positive tampered strengthen case ie retroactive amendments. retrospective amendments websites introduce announcing reserved levy 6 administration charge against anyone found consultation bossmedia remove few ago. 5 going oct current promo extra undisclosed processing fee. appears intended entice targeted order reimburse itself. active fraud tolerated opa. true october however dozen total very good unfortunately cannot disclose else 2001 onwards. charged single person charge. simply correct. suggest undertook sole intent enticing quite frankly ridiculous. scheme purely reward continued support generate repeat players. tried hardest adhere guidelines laid down i.g.c company point where float reputable stock exchange operate 100 transparent policy accused being things past sure thieves. above constitute dishonest bad practice members therefore seek within seven explanation remedial action failing entirety widely publicized jeez wrong defend itself age seem so.... done purged serious habitual able spend dollars who've responded kind. downside press had. seems wholly unjust especially shouted loudest public worst offenders. statements inaccurate allowed public... light my comments hope trust publicizing recommended. further questions you'd raise me please i'll happy need. regards paul cufflin manager. 3009 thanks but too complicated for me. amber i'll probably just get a second dedicated phone line and new isp my sister's name. this may not be optimal it is easy to do. nonetheless your effort in explaining the issues much appreciated. 3010 once again ... vpr man while i'm not aware of the history this situation casino's response seems reasonable to me. there is no doubt are a small number bonus hustlers and you can hardly blame casino for fighting them. with customers like those who need enemies land based casinos operation make money. in same way that land-based will eject any player only plays winning game i.e. bj as card counter online taking stand against players playing advantage situations. personally sick hearing complain. if get away it fine -- do it. but when caught ejected from how about little honesty instead running your nearest discussion group blasting admit knew was rules don't criticize damned trying buck. i've made clear before i think vast majority complaints see at opa other places simply haven't followed rules. recently emailed by someone complaining particular had beaten them out turned failed return fax back form after total 9 requests. all he submit he'd be paid. he's bashing start anything here really question whether has true bone pick here. may well lousy ripoffs whatever text message supports casino. would my 2cents. 3011 not barred at any other rtg casinos yet amber i think you overestimate the network of casinos. in my experience which are owned by different owners do share info. had to a charge back on one casino refused pay me but i've been able play all unabated. plan implement your recommendations new isp and phone line. surname cannot be corrected it is fairly common name. also same offers simultaneously. btw enjoyed book. provided with good starting point. personally have found concerns regarding barring bonus players overstated. played for 15 months 20-30 hours per month this first barring. always more than requirements much. get numerous repeat offers--i rarely sign up more. nonetheless did enjoy book made about strategies. 3012 seized profits for both accts but returned deposit nt amber 3013 good point nt amber 3015 you don't get it anononek while i'm not aware of the history this situation casino's response once again seems reasonable to me. casino sent out offers players used and played by rules. then locked their accounts kept winnings. think is a clue. what's should be smart enough send in first place . personally sick hearing bonus hustlers complain. if can away with fine -- do it. admit that knew was against rules criticize damned for trying make buck. all who gives rat's ass what you're tired about site advantage gamblers seem understand so when gambler's stiffed they as second part your stuck didn't break them only thing got caught doing having nerve win instead lose. 3016 correction scarce i'm personally sick of hearing bonus hustlers complain. if you can get away with it fine -- do it. but when caught and ejected from a casino how about little honesty instead running to your nearest discussion group blasting the admit that knew was against rules don't criticize damned for trying make buck. amend spirit i might agree you. doubt very much anyone those so-called abusers did not play by their as written. they're cybercroupier welcome run business any way they see fit own bemoaning fact bad press over this incident leaves me underwhelmed. what expect 3017 i don't get it ... vpr man this is what's reasonable the casino should be smart enough to not send offers in first place. nonsense. relevent question from casino's perspective will we lose more money chronic groaning of a few bonus hustlers than make numerous other players who come and play due offer . decision process motivated by one thing -- that's profit. clear that determined negative press would booting cost less additional revenue brought non-hustling players. as their letter you can't blame them for doing whatever damage control they can. i'm sure see discussion groups lots us do i.e. full complaining about getting caught with very little activity. thus giving boot was merely wouldn't back. hmmmm. sounds like can only improve its bottom line tactic. site advantage gamblers seem understand so when gambler's stiffed complain. exception 100 video poker games believe exists online casinos. there hustling but think abundantly casinos view cheating whether or simply doesn't matter are funds really give flip offended customers back fact prefer didn't... second part your response stuck rules. didn't break got having nerve win instead lose. seems me addressed each point reasonably now know telling truth seemed reasonable. main have done what set out purged taking views unfair offers. 3018 correction vpr man what did they expect i think you hit the nail on head. it is obvious backlash got but made a management decision that will not hurt them against players want while likely run off all don't understand your point about spirit of rules however you'll agree pretty much bonus hustlers know if get caught by casino be over. my sense no one operating under idea knew were hustling would continue to offers. follows set forth casino. this situation has existed since earliest days online gaming. different than in vegas. really big vegas who receive top line comps presidential suite free mink for girlfriend are expected give shot at their money. may well reconsider its position with respect freebies. i've heard hosts book these actually call up they're delivering action and tell hey promised me certain amount play ... we need hold end bargain . just see difference... 3019 thick as a brick scarce when real casino's suspect someone is card-counting and they want to get rid of him tell so ask leave. do not confiscate winnings after the fact . player picks up all his chips cashes out leaves. online casinos in question deserve everything from their actions my opinion. 3020 the difference scarce this is no different than situation in vegas. really big players vegas who receive top of line comps presidential suite free mink for girlfriend are expected to give casino a shot at their money. if they don't may well reconsider its position with respect freebies. i've heard hosts book these will actually call them up they're not delivering action and tell hey you promised me certain amount play ... we need hold your end bargain . i just see difference... ..is that stop sending freebies case e-mailing them. 3021 more differences opa mary 1.none of the so-called bonus hustlers failed to meet rules. casino admits this it is not in dispute. 2.the continued send out offers. 3.the taking back bonuses granted two months prior. thus if you were a naive player who played by rules but no could have your money confiscated because they felt like it. 4.this rolling clock does apply overall losers. only winners. vpr can tell me why cannot state its terms wagering requirements that would satisfy met without additional play do think it's satisfactory must guess what those are and even after may still find retroactively s he guessed wrong how much over stated reasonable 5 10 now from players bump up so labeled abusers at point expect keep word ok for casinos use falsehood order obtain funds should offer honest games bother 3022 how can you try to justify cheating customers and stealing their money... samo666 ...which is exactly what this casino group has done some. i've joined several offshore sportsbook with bonuses. the terms of bonuses tend be a initial deposit cannot withdrawn for x amount time i believe it's 30 days minimum b must rollover my 3 times. i.e. if deposited 100 bet that times or lose it in process before withdraw supposing follow these rules then as soon are up should have right bounce me take back bonus morally ethically legally no they don't like own stated policy change it. set but now according meaningless feel advantage not great enough. simple solutions which include stop offering adjust conditions future ones will more profitable. find astonishing someone who operates website locates vp attitude on issue. installs all american do confiscate winnings from players basis some play using correct strategy therefore taking - opa mary keep good work 3023 yes green baize vampire this info is not physically passed on via the internet. meridian a pre-internet device and you would have to manually transfer it online. logs numbers mainly because free call centres are target for nutters. 3024 you're right caruso there are a damn sight more crooks around here than i suspected. way to go boys. 3025 no justification vpr man you misunderstand. i'm not justifying what they or anyone else did. simply stating the facts as i see them. casino made a determination that it would rather lose business of this group players hangs out on discussion forums and keep making offers. knowing course particular people is same referred to bonus hustlers . essentially said we don't want your anyway because you're willing give us shot at money know who right wrong. while fact there are stated rules accompanying offer everyone knows up front if caught hustling you'll be kicked out. so why should surprised let alone complain when happens analogous situation where card counter barred. according letter all funds have will returned. does come through can some reason complain. but again get deal with someone absolutely zero legal recourse. 3026 differences vpr man .none of the so-called bonus hustlers failed to meet rules. casino admits this it is not in dispute. again knew they would be ejected if were caught. that's all that matters. 2.the continued send out offers. same answer. 3.the taking back bonuses granted two months prior. thus you a naive player who played by rules but no more could have your money confiscated because felt like it. yes well here make reasonable argument. determined illegitimate i'm certain they're going grab can. can happen when deal with party against whom legal recourse which effectively case online casinos . 4.this rolling clock does apply overall losers. only winners. insist on calling are winners -- systematically beating casino. cheating at least my mind any beats aren't welcome. nothing earth-shattering here. tell me why cannot state its terms wagering requirements satisfy met without additional play i think you're missing point. for those whipping simply welcome period end story. what point do expect keep word it's ok use falsehood order obtain funds should offer honest games bother don't ever acceptable lie. and know whether these guys did so. knows up front he will expelled from hustling yet anyway violating conditions as understood them. right or wrong definitely fact. makes good everyone situation is. players being sort naive. has group both undesirable playing unfairly doesn't matter deposit players. working an environment where take thing lose wanted get rid anyway. so look can't change minds engaged prohibited activity even though clearly okay. necessarily disagree you. caught doing cost business attack precisely got time discuss further go living. 3027 a one to that all_in anon 1 k...i for agree with you. this is site advantage players...if i can't win or will be barred winning then i'd rather take my ideas the public and try cash in on them way... hold strong bottom line of keeping money getting some yours fair game...if can teach people reverse odds by not playing against businesspeople business here find players who have nothing better do accept losing consider game...whether buy up them... commoner..it's all business...making 3028 it's just singer trolling again green baize vampire i'd ignore him its like talking to a tree though you make good case. 3029 no troll caruso vpr man is not trolling he's stating his opinion totally entitled to on a forum where he know's going get bashed. got guts and writes intelligently. this doesn't make him that disagrees with the majority view. i've posted caveats regarding pitfalls awaiting not-sufficiently-informed baby card counter misc. page been accused of same . however i completely disagree having said all that. it would be simplest thing in world for casinos genuine offers wagering requirements acceptable gamblers but rest us eg. wager four times deposit able withdraw sum up including then say twenty bonus could still an advantage play these folks clearly want their cake eat they've somewhat brazenly even denied any opa's charges. actions are unjustified though way off-target. 3030 damn i expected insults but... vpr man to suggest i'm singer that's just going a bit too far.... 3031 no troll vpr man their actions are totally unjustified though is way off-target. thanks for your vote of confidence the wisdom seeing that it okay to disagree about things. disagreement often leads consensus. i'm not trying justify i simply think they predictable and can understand motivations. as said in previous post don't know what truth or isn't would have knowing. also believe every bonus hustler knows understands risk he taking if caught by casino will likely lose some his money. this shocking news anyone. fair righteous moral ethical but a fact.... 3032 you are correct green baize vampire sorry i got confused with singer aliases everywhere and the video poker connection. this is not my apologies to vpr man. do think however really something worth debating over. if netcasinos don't like bonus hustling they can insist on greater qualifying action. but being allowed selectively break their own stated rules in order deal only compulsive gamblers can't be rationally justified. 3033 i will fight for my rights kim skeptic thanks the story... first time have ever heard of that. am not going to take 200. hit jackpot with witness and then some this win there has be kind laws protect us player against type online gambling scams intend use them. several people helping me now a right god given right... what believe in do so. won that they know did... stop until pay or everyone knows about it called call... getting phone calls back from big wigs.. tell ya is law are help get results. you gamble if ought glad trying slotland member gaming commision... recieved 2 emails them was had call fbi doj newspapers so on. before got any response anyone come on man.... money making business commision hasn't done thing anyway.... all myself so... point being playing at certified casino really nothing can anyway needed we just sit let these casinos knowing pay... double charged our cards i'm not... bet good faith their casino...i jackpot... that's go winnings... would been today payed rightfully taken while away mad this... god... because wont it. learned sooo much gambling... beware say. thank luck too. 3034 your all wasting time dongambler trying to carry on an intelligent conversation with the vpr man about internet casinos. this guy is completly clueless when it comes gambling. he spouts his mouth off here and a video poker e-mail group casinos but doesn't know anything subject expect expected return games which anyone who has win can figure out. talking like rob singer math of poker. just doen't get never will. thread as well others posted in evidence that. still links site gss thinking that they have good there dispite rigging. now would you really think any webmaster suggests playing at casino clue do lot better by staying out referral business stick land based then wouldn't be constantly making fool himself other places. 3035 don coming from you ... vpr man online gambling genious that are it really hurts... 3036 not just me dongambler but probably everyone that reads your posts reaches the same conclusions. was good advice i gave you.. stick to land based casinos and forget about internet. doing anyone other then some crooked any with internet information. 3037 don can't you... caruso ...give it a rest vpr man has every right to voice his opinions which he does coherently and intelligently. on this occasion i disagree entirely with him but respect opinion. we all have that including you aren't going get anywhere by insulting questioning integrity. if push line much further you're simply end up getting your posts busted isn't make feel whole lot better. 3038 aside from bonus hustling all_in what would happen to a player who simply won by reversing the pc... hypothetical question of course my assumption is that cybercroupier holding record players action ..decision per decision.. and bar said know means decision making process... any opinions... 3039 agree with don anononek let's see vpr man outed the real name of a player on interent. now that was class act. he takes position that's it's ok for casinos to steal players money because said is labeled bonus hustler . once again casino sets rules if sticks needs pay up. dosesn't up then they are stealding. doesn't want someone play lock their account but only after paying all funds owed. argument about intent or this who isn't gambler silly and it have anything do whether should be paid not. you really just go away as know very little industry. 3040 no caruso dongambler i can't give it a rest when he continues to make such idiot posts and endorses casinos that steal from players. someone who didn't see the other might come along actually think this guy knows what is talking about concerning internet casinos. will post anytime him posting express my opinion opinon vpr man clueless his site have history of rigged games stealing 3041 lycos gamesville free winnings dooner has anybody played the games at they claim to give away up 10 000 if you win but seem nearly impossible beat. are these real or just a hoax sell commercials 3042 don vpr man look everyone here has an opinion. mine as it relates to this subject is unpopular. bfd. time you got past notion that have some special knowledge about internet gambling -- don't. there isn't much know. i do know the online forums at opa winnersonline and others cater a miniscule subset of playing population. from my reading believe participants are for most part emotionally overcharged chronically complaining group who think casinos going just lie down take it. they aren't. free ride over. your bone pick with me spoke out perhaps little too loudly when became aware were bashing casino unfairly using multiple aliases trying spew untruth them everywhere could. while on every board could find behind who-knows-how-many names expected would keep identity secret. absurd. if you're attack under false pretenses fair play defend themselves publicly in vigorous fashion possible. retrospect wouldn't disclosed name because served no purpose. however continues put public eye now not me. private correspondence well numerous clear writing uneducated unable communicate without profanity condescension. proclaim yourself am discern its whereabouts. simply subscribe enemy. true i'm days although often context evaluating available vp games least reasonable level subject. software engineer cpa understanding how gaming works internally payment systems work business works. qualifies one thing we try videopokerreview good can report them. haven't quit day job however. purport everything or even what general. but quite comfortable discuss any these matters intelligently time. doubt choose so shots get i'll consider source.... 3043 continue to pursue factor x i would only if had evidence that hit such a jackpot. hope you have saved screen shows this when disagreement with casino-on-net concerning bonus money won con refused pay me for not same day depositing. though their newsletter mentioned deposit web site did not. captured shot of promotion before it was removed. then forwarded the directorate offshore gaming antigua commission . got back and presented an offer 200 refused. eventually they paid full amount 3990. truth is internet gambling almost totally unregulated. all these certification symbols at many casinos most part don't mean damn thing. casino refuses are out luck. however certain on-line located in countries sound judicial systems. next step may legal action against some businesses within from which operate. proves ineffective be brought task those do business. one could still win battle lose war refuse player or relocate elsewhere avoid paying. find country slotland operates. attempt contact attorney he willing take case on percentage recovery basis. also has system whereby appears pursued acted upon reasonably by judiciary within. 3044 vpr man dongambler you have just proven again that are nothing but a wannabe who has become more then laughing stock of this board and every other group or post on. i will be there where ever go try to spam your worthless useless site. basically webmaster is trying copy the successfull video poker sites likes skips lodestones having little success far less credibility. really want someone in world gambling can't stand for those know about topics claim challenge on subject. hey news david like follow rob singer around following letting everyone truth its shame con men resort such tatics as referring people casinos they win if do good chance being ripped off judging by posts extreme knowledge internet left attempt get investment back from money wasted when got brillant idea could webmaster. another long line casino thieves scammers because refer no better run them. 3045 ah what law anononek for it's worth i only play under my own name however have no problems with players who use different accounts. perhaps you could list the laws these are breaking of course can't as there none. broken criminals. 3046 cheating caruso certainly. casinos regard multiple accounts as ie. breaking the laws they set them out. for what it's worth i do too. if you are caught there clearly-stated will be punished have your winnings reclaimed. end of story. 3047 just wondering... all_in has anyone else ever enterteined the possibility that stan's site become nothing more than an ad for casino s .. by i simply mean most who visit are interested in guts of game...some want pointers on winning while there always enough visitors arguing one system or other. but man may be a e-game owner using bait... latest argument is based rigging... who's got last word. commoner..wonder if i'll busted flak-ing boss's treasure... 3048 scifi casino now opa not recommended mary they were invited to give their side of the story ten days ago and declined respond. primarily for honoring own privacy policy failing pay winners maintaining a black list notifying players until cash out. 3049 nail-on- the-head- award for nov. scarce yes exactly i've always wondred the same thing yahoo.com it's all just a front to turn children young adults into online gamers outstanding perceptiveness on your part congratulations ........ .. jesus h. christ... -p 3050 somehow don't think... caruso ...that sw owns too many net casinos. this may be taking conspiracy theories to a new extreme although i liked the x files too. 3051 blacklist these casinos from your lists dann i hope that can help just one of you save hard-earned money. m sure some how have heard this before so if it s a repeat apologize. avoid all vegas strip http www.thevegasstrip.net specifically cleopatra the group also includes club mardi gras casino eworld regal america online and tvs sportsbook . claiming fradulent activity by other players problems with our credit-card processing company they are refusing to pay - even four months after cashed-out. below is my complaint filed safebet.org. thinking were nonprofit third-party watchdog later learned owned same damn company. don t make mistake did go near scam. 11 30 2001 player yeah when doesn't come on dec. 14th i'll be told wait until 28 then jan. 14 28. goddamn joke. can't believe guys allowed get away this. many people been screwed over signed up cleopatra's because advertised whole safebet investigating i've both very convenient checkout beatwebcasinos.com informative book recently picked up. talk about guys. know what didn't commit fraud i'm not credit card processor don't screw me give money rightfully deserve. customers tell them sign pull shit for afterward. had known no plans paying never would sick being lied cheated ignored now swindled. refuse 75 check. utterly disgust me. 29 has informed 25 was credited august 27th check will sent out friday december 14th. please confirm payment received. an extremely difficult time fraudulant activity. thank support 24 getting ridiculous here's two past emails got promising payment. obviously bs. safeweb isn't job regulate shouldn't there penalties only reason felt regulated you. email 1 dear thanks us due we in 2 delayed withdrawals approval shipment working hard back schedule establish calendar order send checks western union follows pattern first requested matter yours 10 12 01. apologize once again any inconvenience appeal cooperation. more questions contact at cleopatras-casino.com or call free 1-877-280-4312 nice day paul rep 40 choosing most exciting internet happy as customer regarding query sorry delay waiting long overnight express approved 8 talked accounting supervisor going firat week november around 2nd soon receive tracking number it. might causing may having banned denmark like 1300 playing making fraudulent activities received warning another spent almost month sending back. nothing do but affected try understand accept apologies. pleasant natalie cleopatras 57 19 which unfortunately hasn't really surprised information supressed member note here comments field officially close dispute. ungrateful payouts. hit several discouraging mishaps latest main source income withholding funds situation gets resolved able customer's requests. comply everyone's requests doing best however cannot fulfill once. list promptly he notified made available us. his those last digits 4811. patience understanding issue. riding boat hopefully soon. daniela dimarco service membership jeopardy continue respond dispute submit toward resolution immediately. full since submitted 22 someone 17 didn't. 15 should response either today monday tomorrow. anyone inform expect 9 2. played eventually winnings 100. asked withdrawal nothing. emailed problem crediting card. few days days. wouldn't issued late october. ignored. could 3052 shuffle after each hand riviera dear all was looking at the rules for blackjack william hills casino on-line. it seems that they tell you number of decks in game hence possibility to card count as play. however dealer shuffles does render card-counting useless this case are we reduced using basic strategy thanks advance. 3053 sw does not own any web casinos. nt anon314 3054 continue to pursue kim thanks factor x.... i have people checking into this for me. boy... has been one looong fight people... beware you are not protected is just a bunch of bs. very hard sit back and watch these casinos screw us we're supose take it ya know. am going do that won jackpot.... will what all wanted was them pay lady at the doj helped me lot but really your research find help out there... why anyway again 3055 sw is not stupid enough to own any web casinos nt opa mary it's a real baaaaad idea for american citizens right now casinos. 3056 i believe the game may be dealt... caruso ...to something like 40 either way counting online is money flushed down toilet. 3057 actually... green baize vampire the single player game is constantly shuffled but multi-player deals 2 of 8. nothing will beat that even wonging only gets you pennies or cents per hour. 3058 dann's talking about vegas strip. already got 'em welcome to the board. nt opa mary 3059 i wouldn't bust your post... david matthews ... needed a little comic relief today. - 3060 conclusions drawn caruso of course they have something to hide think about it - 0.07 player edge 100 flat bets 300 hands per hour that's a 20 win rate 700 working week. lo and behold 3 sd losses all round free play beautiful single deck. well i never how unlucky. actually the only extraordinary thing in this is that there are people out who dumb-arse enough me you an online game for ev. just glad pulled plug time. considering massive arrogance displayed over cyber croupier affair total contempt shown players' rights why would boss any compuction fleecing us poor sods few extra pennies puts whole very different light. 3061 kim slotski try going to gonegambling.com and see if john can help you. he seems have a good relationship with slotland. they advertise heavily so i would get in touch as many of their adverstisers on the web possible them intercede your behalf. am sure you are telling truth. heard this happening even land based casinos casino is not required pay but usually do or either make very substantial payment player since machine screwed up. luck keep up fight 3062 my rebuttal.. all_in i guess i've hit a nerve with few posters... while tring not to flame you must state that if your reading skills are has developed playing then need become little more analytical like commoner ..myself. never suggested sw is casino operator..what said or meant this site good avenue for operators check on new systems and it also way them track trends. appreciate accept the award nov..i don't argue other posters. took 6 years develop whether any poster wishes negate ability same negativity only flak from people similar me but fact they haven't been able solve riddle. riding coattail of someone who has. comedy mr matthews personally lol when read ridiculous approaches comments by all these so called masters... where there will way.. commoner.. 3063 games and the law... all_in everyone knows that it is impossible to get legal recourse for online gaming. if you are cheated can prove there no way law stand you. why because hosted outside of american jurisdiction. but what could a system go after accounting firm which represents casino. price waterhouse does auditing some vouches fair pc. has one year audit casino they provided proof an average 98.3 return on bj. be held accountable house doesn't pay player player's defence would mathematical formula fail.... commoner 3064 impossible green baize vampire unfortunately prosecuting accountants for telling porkies is almost impossible-much tougher than the casino itself. they have very strong legal protection to prevent this sort of thing happening. 3065 what's a porky nt .. all_in 3066 actually .... vpr man cpa's are very much exposed to the possibility of civil litigation on any opinion they render. what cpas doing in this instance i believe is a special report which nothing like an audit and undoubtedly being miscontrued by public. extent you could show that these procedures were bandied about as though damaged result it might have case -- if aware fact not taking steps correct it. obligation third parties even use techniques misleading. original poster above thought he was looking at audit. there no other hand accountant's says paid out 98.3 wagers damned well better done so i'm sure would . cpa has his prominently specifically set level responsibility for information report. ones i've seen do just make clear reviewing logs play financial records receivings payments or anything else. they're simply saying look get whatever payout. read reports carefully. gbv noted structured legally limit liability takes reporting. problem with throw huge resources be difficult defeat. invest hundreds thousands dollars such millions. probability success seems low given that. unless class action wouldn't sense. then odds casinos having kind dough worthwhile seem me. 3067 rebuttal.. all_in you say class action...not sure how that works..maybe could broaden...i'll read up on it... then the odds of these casinos having kind dough to make it worthwhile... . i presumed litigation would be against accounting firm and not casino itself. is untoucheable because out jurisdiction.. yes no tanks for reply vpr man... 3068 porkies caruso porky pie lie cockney rhyming slang. rule britannia. 3069 glued-down bonuses - got s dann i've been playing at various casinos and taking full advantage of sign-up i do make sure to abide by minimum play requirements etc. as scouting new options hit a hurdle. while reading the fine print come across rule that many have cash out bonus you must won least amount. for example if deposit 100 get free 200.01 in your account. so is credited credit card check sent 100.01. however final total 199.99 99 stays this worth it opinion guess would be. with bonus-cash-in you'd probably profit about 49 them break even on 51 you're basic strategy blackjack exclusively . not really losing any money long run. house edge -.47 holds true every casino mathematically never enough bonus. am correct saying it's just determining time gamble anyone experience bill haywood says shot his book beatwebcasinos.com shrewd player's guide internet gambling only page frustrating stipulation doesn't say much else. thanks help 3070 all us ignorant americans are wankers nt anon314 3071 agree with bill... caruso ...but watch the small print if it's as you say - below 200 then can receive back your deposit rest stays in casino account until push it over fine i'd would be worth while cashing out less than 100 profit on other hand some require that bonus intact order to cash anything. never 3072 of course they're worth it scarce meet the requirements. if you're down keep wagering until you reach desired level. for example to 150 from 200 and have met requirements can up your bets do whatever feel comfortable with. there's little point in making 2 wagers then. take best shot. essentially risking nothing anyway because you've will cashin go deposit. don't need be greater than bonus. exactly would gave. 3073 didn't consider... dann you make a good point. if you're at 150 i guess can just bet 50 on your last bet. worse case scenario - get 100 back. best made 100. in sense it's win no-loss situation. 3074 re ... vpr man you're right -- it is the accounting firm interested in. when i wrote that was considering problems of litigation against casino itself. on subject i'm not an attorney but think you can sue entity in another country probably going to have do there instead here. again real problem with suing casinos themselves isn't any money. perhaps some could enlighten... 3076 possibility thinking... all_in if ever there were anyone interested in a concept on gambling they'd certainly cross this site someday. i wonder the chemistry required to build from type of could be nurtured such site... say was way turn odds then wouldn't it possible design teaching tool for public and market . my opinion not everyone wants gamble ...some people just want know how reverse odds.. those are reach. program might involve computer chip an instructional manual. snowballs at 79.99 pop you sell 100 000 copies.. buyer learns win gambles or not..the seller makes cash instead casino real virtual that dissalows fair wins....disallowing winner is necessarily wrong..what fact saying is.. do take bet. which really what player casino.. bet ... finds itself losing position simply says no...in other words barred. have reach right guess... any opinions has much project would cost generate. commoner i've already been told i'm idiot today so your response pass answering...the aho almost had me fired because defenseless... 3077 nope green baize vampire americans are fine people on the whole...but next one of you who takes off an english accent by doing that dick-van-dyke-in-mary-poppins cod-cockney gets horribly bludgeoned to death. 3078 i'm pretty sure it's already been done... captain jack ...in fact you're looking at it right now. stanford's site is a prime example of tool to help you beat the casinos. gambling section your local bookstore further illustrates how don't need be 100 accurate write book about winning gambling. you'd quickly find that competition key. why would someone pay 79.99 for something can get other places free bill haywood took advantage economic principle first mover. his came out before anybody realized there was profit made from internet now many people consider which less than 2 years old obsolete. let's put this way if system...you'd make far more money beating system yourself instead exposing and killing golden goose. later when no longer viable think franchising. 3080 skills red zebra before you criticize other people's reading take a hard look at your writing skills. 3081 been there done that ...so to say... all_in thanks for the info... you're probably right about milking cow although i don't live within site of a casino and truly off system i'd have use base bet 250 spread g note also pass 7000 decisions carry 2.5 ...still under observation...over year this is by no means impossible...the ror at somewhere near 20g..i can't sustain level assault.. we're it possible build team same process could generate immense profits...but who can you trust average 500 3.5 million times 87.5 be interesting enough keep observation. commoner ps ...books are good but taste way success buyer should able go interactive. 3084 big difference red zebra it is analogous to the situation where a card counter barred. according letter all players funds have or will be returned. if casino does not come through on this i can see some reason complain. but again what you get when deal with someone absolutely zero legal recourse. totally different than barring counter. barred in las vegaas he free cash his chips before leaves. online did was bar bonus hustlers then there wouldn't anything wrong from an ethical standpoint. they don't just steel players' money first. are saying that ok 3085 i don't get it.... all_in stated that the site itself could juice owner..by owner meant casino operator...i never reffered to sw as a shill.... commoner.....it was just an opinion and admit my opinions are not end all or last wisest. 3086 he means you are not a clear writer. nt anon314 3087 firepay amuttillo has anyone used to deposit money any net casinos and have they had problems with withdrawals i made a withdrawal them on nov 21st still haven't seen the posted my account s even though says sent money. gave me bank's authorization numbers. i've no withdrawing in past. just wondering if else them. 3088 my experience not usual name single with firepay was trouble-free. deposit and withdrawl went smoothly. however in email correspondances i found their representatives to be very short words sometimes quite arrogant. did have an similar yours dealings the gaming club casino. they or processor reported that had been paid money appear on statements. also sent me bank's conf. number authorization whatever it was. took a screen shot of online account statement attached them as proof payment posted account. after period inverstigation properly credited. might worth your time do something firepay. perhaps fax copy bank credit card for relevant period. good luck. 3089 lasseters vs microgaming green baize vampire i published some annoyed comments about id requirement earlier-so its fair to point out that they sent me a cheque in three weeks from oz. i'm still waiting for cheques cinema casino mg intercasino cryptologic and golden tiger all of whom are geographically much closer made withdrawls with several days before lasseters. also paid my native sterling. 3090 unusual for... caruso ...the mgs to take more than three weeks. your previous comment re. the lassester's proof of age requirement for cashout was useful. it's amusing that my account has now attained verified status which apparently wasn't requirted while i merrily gambling away. stinkingly slow loading unimpressive bj game doubling 11 v. 10 until realized it enhc first rate customer service - online casino where email responses come back faster loads. 3091 5 best online casinos munchausen i'm pretty new to and it seems there are a ton of them. is fairly well established list who the reputable establishments versus scam artists 5-10 really good won't dick you around with payouts who's games fair any help would be appreciated 3092 for fair games and prompt payments anononek if you're just looking to gamble there are a number of solid outfits casino-on-net.com intercasino.com cryptologic software williamhill.com most sites using microgaming outfits. they have some decent vp. these would include captaincookscasino.com illustratedcasino.com wildjack.com allslots.com card imo you do well stay away from the group casinos java no download developed by gamblingsoftware.com check their website preview software. it's easy recognize once you've seen it . been credible reports game rigging other problems. good luck. 3094 big action 100 signup bonuses opa mary good sites with surveys of bonus offers www.winneronline.com www.got2bet.com there are some on these lists such as allslots 25 to 1k a 4k deposit they do job screening the casinos list i would avoid running real time gaming software right now personally take far too long process withdrawals and you could turn that money around quicker playing two or three promos elsewhere in it takes them get paid. run tempting percentages love but it's just much hassle for any gambler. even if have record losing overall still stall. 3095 any more munchausen thanks for the info anononek. anybody else have suggestions 3096 security suggestion for e-casinos green baize vampire i have just been trying to incorporate a red and blue card backs onto bj simulator developing. this is relatively well-known anti-cheating measure in continental terrestrial casinos. i've discovered through the implementation of procedure that it would actually provide online as well. yes possible rig game blackjack with incorporated-but very much doubt practical matter crooked developer patience bother-its real headache. give me added confidence an casino's honesty were they implement protection method. 3097 not sure i see how card backs ... vpr man give you any feeling of confidence. could enlighten me 3098 what is your goal anononek are you just looking for honest casinos that pay 3099 pretty much... munchausen yeah that's it. i wanted to see what people were saying before give my money anyone but a lot of casinos say not play at haven't been able find list reputable establishments. the only lists i've found are from sources like safebet which as understand it has affiliations with casinos. hardly fair and indifferent. 3100 ok that's easy anononek as i said casinos that use microgaming software are a good bet. they well financed and pay. another place to consider is www.pyramidcasino.com . pyramid uses world gaming formally called starnet outfit pay have customer service. 3101 help me please www.1cnp.com - is this casino a scam or what tobias hi i found the link to 1cnp.com-casino on bj21.com which think trustworthy-site. but seems so ridiculous hardly can believe _not_ be scam. has anyone checked that out could do they claim give you 100 bonus 30 _every_ deposit 35 at least . can't cashed money win with out. have play 97 hands of any game before cashing out... software it's cgi biggest piece crap ever seen... oh yeah say payouts paypal only take them 1 hour process... their address anywhere entertainment inc ltda. apartado 695-1007 centro col n san jose costa rica no phone-numbers... shows are verified business member since 01.09.2001 358 buyers... hint wouldn't even looked it if hadn't stanford's page... tobi 3102 not a scam scarce ..but maybe the worst software on net. i've never bothered playing there as result. apparently they do pay but are source of headaches for number players. it's impossible to get off their damn mailing list. other crap casinos which use this duckys and casinoduck no i am making up . just too many warning signs phone numerous complaints etc bother with in my opinion. 3103 www.1cnp.com fred damron i've just test drove 1cnp.com. and the graphics aren't there but i was able to win a couple of 1000. seems like decent software me bonuses are great. let's see if one hour payout is true. tried found other two casino that use this duckys casinoduck neither exist. what url for these casinos 3105 stay away from the ducks opa mary according to their terms of payout they hold your money for thirty days and then pay out in installments. may be business by now. 3106 scam you can play it bob fisher i tried this casino. deposited 50 via paypal and got my 166. must 97 hands but played 100 to keep the figures round. minimum bet is 5 which did ended up with 33.50 26.5 bets behind a sd of 11 meaning am down -2.4z-statistics. scarce have seen enough. also hope plenty money if think casino on square. thought were reliable. bonus sticky bonus. narrow 10-1 spread crooked software don't much chance. even honest bonuses are only worth half their alleged value. practically worthless. assumed lose both double or split vs. dealer bj. hand not requirement good idea. 3107 2.5 sds chicken feed caruso try pharoah's casino single deck bob. you'll then look upon westwards as a walk in the park. 123 hands played 140 units wagered 40 lost. 3108 here's the scoop scarce some players have gotten paid and fairly quickly by these guys. however when they opened lost their shirts on order of 80-90 losses complained threatened had deposit refunded. casino claimed malfunctioning software. i never liked sound any this don't plan playing. other guys taken chances. so my original defence is still same a player really taking happen to think it's worth it myself. sorry if you took ambiguous answer as ringing endorsement bob. 3109 consumer benefits ach withdraw need bank help an under the name showed up on my account. i have not given out information anywhere except to a couple online casinos send money me never authrized other way. proc-cyber is one. also made any deposits in amount shown. has anyone else had taken of their account if so does know it related casino thanks for or suggestions. 3110 opa not recommended question my usual name has this reason a gambling software casino gss listed for many of the casinos. wondering what that means. 3111 wasn't me. sammyboy i haven't seen that before. contact your bank they can tell you. 3112 gss spacecaptain this is a gambling software manufacturer that has been alleged to have games are not fair . they supposedly seen screen where the frequencies of payoffs can be adjusted making decidedly non-random and shot was posted on some site. there doesn't seem any real proof 1 2 if it truly relates however. perhaps someone else will new or more direct information concerning gss. 3113 more info anyone nt not my usual name 3114 it's an endless amount of stuff really scarce here's a link. once you get started you'll read about pinnace players fortune rigged software licensees getting ripped off. gss is embarrassment to the entire industry. 3115 i was interested in reading this too... spacecaptain doesn't seem like there is much info the link provided -- 3 items dated back to early 2001. any more recent information particularly anything that suggests company fact selling cheating enabled software its customers something besides these unsubstantiated rumors suggest a problem here it hard find single casino have at least some complaints. also what casinos would you are fair play 3116 thanks all. nt not my usual name 3117 reply not my usual name for fairness check opa's list of recommended casinos. onlineplayersassociation.com there are other review sites out too... casinomeister.com winneronline.com etc. the best bonuses look into microgaming 3118 rigged software the gamemaster hello. through opa i received screen shots of alleged used by some gamblingsoftware.com-powered internet casinos. all evidence is presented in a series articles that can be found on video poker page my site. just scroll down below current article and you'll see them. gm 3119 online casinos you can trust sammcdon there is a list of trust. no charge for this service fee. the site does not accept advertising so bias. go to http hometown.aol.com allcasinosrated.html 3122 shuffling tallpaul one of the sites i play on deals 1 2 way thru deck before shuffling. however have it resuffle anytime count gets below 0 from belief that a reshuffled is at least 0. this strategy wrong right or what 3123 i am getting a lot of banner ads nt bob fisher 3124 still confused need bank help i did contact my and they said not have any more info. had me fax in a form saying that know where it came from. credited back the money since no information about it. am going to close account but wish knew what was 3125 ever get a royal at vpc casino captain jack recently thread came up on another board wondering if anyone had received flush casino. there are dozens of casinos that use this software best known for it's 10-play vp. interestingly out the replies and hundreds thousands hands played by various people...nobody any their vp games. so i'll ask here...anybody 3126 i did luckydog got one about a year ago good for 1 000 but not on the new 10 hand games. 3127 got a straight flush anononek but that was on single line vp. occured early this year. 3128 the gss story is at winneronline.com opa mary if you want to read a lot of threads about gamblingsoftware.com just do searches on these strings www.winneronline.com mark waters playersfortune dion ehren that will bring up entertaining reading. or could compare list licensees they had two years ago now and wonder why so many are gone. basically ran their company dishonestly. skimmed from failed pay players. misrepresented state potential customers shows i know because thought was one. 3129 simply because green baize vampire ...the card could not be generated after the player had made a decision-this eliminates certain forms of game rigging. it is by no means guarantee security but would help. 3130 huh nt vpr man 3131 gss info space captain i've just spent a lot of time reading all this info. as person with great deal business experience one thing seems clear to me got themselves into financial trouble and probably didn't handle things appropriately. but it like stretch get from there the allegations that software is not fair or by attribution every casino ripoff. i know about supposed screen shot who knows whether legitimate. that's problem opa... seem be few people monopolizing posting they're pissed off at casino. on other hand are tons online casinos so why take chance go somewhere else. can see how any could piss end up opa convinced society sore losers over no offense intended you may read . 3132 why not talk to the licensees who left opa mary and weren't players members. or you can just call gss directly ask them for their side. i get tired of oh is same few people wind up blowing it out proportion story gamblingsoftware.com ripped off own hundreds thousands dollars. 3133 vpc 10play wolf star i'd be very interested in any fair vp on the net but have never heard of this software or casinos offering it. please give me a hint. where who 3134 nonsensical rant scarce did you read everything about these clowns would trust even 0.05 with places which a may not pay b cheat c will do absolutely nothing if one of their casino's go belly up gss's track record is so bad it's an embarrassment. 3135 i agree... space captain what we need is a way to lose money at ten times the normal rate... 3136 rants... space captain did you read everything about these clowns would trust even 0.05 with places which a may not pay b cheat c will do absolutely nothing if one of their casino's go belly up i'm quite sure i didn't all it. but it seem to me that the ranting was more on parts those posting than anyone else. and no given probably them. because anything substance said in posts see there are just so many other fish sea why take chance 3137 getting tired space captain i get of the oh opa is same few people who just wind up blowing it out proportion does seem like this true. times i've looked at that site seems there are maybe 50-100 max making majority all posts. don't have a problem with or anything -- if want to spend time doing think ok. but tint any stuff you read over there. sort remember everybody has an axe grind some casino other and gang mentality. jump on week next week. occupies doesn't tell me much. may find useful. 3138 online casinos wayne here are two that use up to date software. http www.captainscasino.com www.casablanca-casino.com 3139 barred caruso on attempting to open an account with a new casino i received the following curt response you are not allowed . have achieved dubious distinction of being blacklisted cs told me there was problem but further attempts had same result. accounts other casinos software all active. 3140 same thing happened to me green baize vampire have i achieved the dubious distinction of being blacklisted barred me. usually when this sort happens your first response is paranoia in way policeman make law-abiding people feel uneasy-but it almost always just a glitch. if cs didn't confirm i'd work with that assumption. 3141 which software would this be nt scarce 3142 which casino bob fisher you didn't say did this to so it is difficult help you. i also get a similar message when try open an account at onluck. believe talked cs they said was because already had another casino. don't remember but both casinos use rtg software. 3143 rules scarce apparently you can't open an account at onluck if already have accounts five roses and golden comps. not a big loss really. 3144 spot on folks caruso thanks gentlemen - yes it was onluck. strange that cs couldn't give me this information since i gave them my name. given average rtg paying time any of their casinos don't allow you an account are probably doing a favour. rather than disallowing entrance why not simply offer bonuses for those with accounts at the sister seems they're shooting themselves in foot. 3145 bonus hustling dann i read beatwebcasinos.com a few weeks ago. after playing for about week an hour or two per day i've tapped 10 casinos 900. either cash out big win losing bucks of my own money to quell any suspicion - never play just the minimum if it says 6x i'll 9x 10x . again i'm in awe as how easy and profitable this is. anyone with some spare time ability stay organize research skills could easily make online part-time job. although by rules trying provide camouflage betting patterns shocked still feel like missing something. has else done extended period what were your results 3146 best blackjack odds online the hacker golf that is which casinos have on bj. how many decks do they deal and what kind of pen you get head to anyone a short list could post thanks 3147 nearly 3 years nt scarce 3148 worthless information but.. scarce ....given the rules and an rng which is fair odds range from a low of 1.0 ha to 0.2 player edge. penetration usually non-existent as most casino's shuffle after every hand. some deal about 33-40 for four or six eight deck game. i said such really beleive that. you have forget playing blackjack know it in real casino environment. sure basic stategy good idea but counting not. your first concerns should be finding places reputations both paying dealing something reasonably player. next concentrate on intangibles whether like software want play multiplayer chat etc. prime importance advantage players bonus structure particular casino. 3149 about... green baize vampire has anyone else done this for an extended period of time what were your results about a year and half. i have return on investment 600 no you're right didn't invest that much initially. had exactly the same qualms as you-just remember source advantage player's power comes from industry itself-and online casino operators are making money hand over fist in global recession sector suffering depression. 3150 which casinos.... homer j. simpson ...have the best promotional bonuses and are also reputable in other words from casinos can i take advantage of promotions without getting screwed maybe make a few bucks --thanks 3151 well bizarro let's see if the one hour payout is true was it 3152 start with... green baize vampire stanleyacropolis.com-30 sign-up bonus then casino-on-net-20 lasseters-40 next if you can they forbid us players i think intercasino-varies but good monthly promos. these are highly reputable operations with recommendations from every quality independent website and more importantly have also paid me personally recently. bon voyage. 3153 casino on net policy homer j. simpson it seems that net's bonus simply states they may refuse to allow cashout of money if has not been wagered at least twice. does this mean i can deposit 1000 get a 200 wager total 400 then cash out for 1200 or - winnings losses way too easy. somone clarify their me --homer 3154 clarification green baize vampire this seems way too easy. yes it does doesn't it. but is not unusual. in fact so very long 1x deposit wagering requirements were the norm. casino basically banking on that a small of sign-ups will be loyal compulsive gamblers. average they make 358 per customer year-with kind return can afford to give away ton bonus money. now you see why many players have turned their back terrestrial casinos for good. 3155 this is crazy... homer j. simpson i realize you just told me that my assumptions were correct but am truly in shock so basically can deposit grand play 80 hands of blackjack at 5 a hand lose 2 on average then cash out with 198 profit all the span maybe an hour yes asking same question again shocked don't even have to wager initial 1000 one time only bonus --thanks 3156 very sorry green baize vampire i am did not read your question properly. the deposit and bonus money should be wagered twice over. if it does say that would do anyway. con customers have had problems with poorly worded promotional opportunities before so work on assumption unless received confirmation from customer service. i'll double-check site get back to you. 3157 i just... minnesota fats doubled checked casino-on-net's bonus policy and you are correct about only having to wager 400 for a 200 bonus. it sounds easy right well the most part is. if continue seek online bonuses will eventually have deal with some casino holding your money or giving run around. however hastles worth money. question legitimacy of virtual post here. there several seasoned veterans hustling on this forum that willing help. in addition can check good games as odds at wizard odds' website. another source general information play is bill haywood's book beatwebcasinos.com . hopefully enough get started. luck mf 3158 thanks for the quick responses.... homer j. simpson ...even if both initial deposit and bonus money must be wagered twice it still seems like a great deal... i just did some hand calculations based on stanleyacropolis policy wager 6x to get of 30 up 300 1000 playing 5 expected win 270 sd 199.20. so looks will made unless one falls left -1.35 sd's which isn't too likely happen. assuming can play about 150-200 hands hr computer make around 34- 48 an hour...not bad at all. should have gotten involved in online gaming lot sooner. by way do you any other suggestions as far sites that grade each casino whether they pay out or not --thanks much 3159 deposit withdrawal methods homer j. simpson for online casinos what would you recommend i don't know whether to use paypal firepay credit card or bank wire transfer... from have read companies may consider be a cash advance. is this the case if your through --thanks 3160 now i'm amazed green baize vampire ...it seems that either they changed the bonus requirements very recently or i misread it and gave them 2000 of action extra. as homer would say doh . oh well con's promotions for existing customers are amongst best so this extra can be justified cover is always a good idea to overplay qualification but bit extreme. 3161 i'll try betting just the 400 or a bit over and see what happens... nt homer j. simpson 3162 these requirements are not the norm caruso six times deposit bonus is pretty much average con staggeringly generous c. 50 edge and you won't find them antwhere else. enjoy it. 3163 really that bad green baize vampire i know cryptologic have gone for 6x bonuses but didn't think was typical mg still seem to fairly liberal requirments not mention the casinos mentioned above. also reputable sportsbook tie-ins such as gameday vip bigbook etc are all under 6x. then again after above howler what do 3165 yes mg more liberal caruso rtgs tend to be in the six seven times league if you can wait two months plus paid like intercasino but as say mgs are on side - even some c.15 edge deals i erred pessimistic above so average was misleading although think it will come pass. con deal is certainly far and away most generous out there assuming it's not a misprint. kind of nice way get your feet wet. 3168 caruso is correct scarce once upon a time wagering the bonus or even twice wasn't surprising. and deposit were norm for most deals. i wouldn't wager at con try cash out though. have no doubt your winnings will be sent but you may not receive future lucrative offers. really if 100 20 500 1000 200. should able to make much more than this play cards right as it by giving them decent amount of first out. 3169 casino listings - all please read dann the more posts i in here realize that many of you know your stuff. recently beatwebcasinos.com a great book and have inched my way over 1 000 bonus hustling last few weeks. again though need to ask this question does anyone keep list each their wagering requirements etc. i've had do lot on own it really cuts into playing time. isn't there web site or publication non-advertising maybe for subscription price something like blackjack confidential magazine 3170 scarce a little more detail please.... homer j. simpson can you go into regarding the possibility of future offers. i wasn't aware that online casinos sent out special offers to only certain customers. always assumed all their promotions were posted on website and thus made available guess am wrong appreciate any info provide. --thanks 3171 queen... homer j. simpson did all of these sites pay you without any hassle --homer 3172 just to expand a little... homer j. simpson ...i have been checking out intercasino and stanleyacropolis. it seems that all methods of deposit other than credit card would be quite pain. i am concerned about getting charged by my company as if taking cash advance. does anyone experience with this can you tell me whether or not is considered advance --thanks 3176 one more caruso neteller firepay paypal all three are obviously superior to credit cards acts as an online cash account which you fund with your card some casinos will even winnings over and above the deposit accounts. there is a small percentage charge on each but hopefully you'll only make or two. in my experience 100 reliable. limited number of offer this method - regrettably. simply debit no transaction charges. again bill health. when initiate be asked whether not intend use funds for gambling how answer between conscience. both these methods godsends non-us players since they remove screwed-by-the-exchange-rate-every-time nightmare. i have never experienced advance glitch us rules may different. tried once cc visa were refused followed by entertaining phone call from fraud office. 3177 paypal etc pro21 i never use a credit card if can avoid it. and neteller have used lot like them both. don't fund with cards. linked to bank account make direct deposits withdrawal. you also do this but what prefer is walk into any citibank or b of deposit cash directly neteller. get within an hour. firepay had problems because some cards refuse business them. 1 note - really using master at internet casinos. mc has made it very difficult major slow downs another method i've western union. all places dealt dozens will reimburse your union fees. many give better bonuses card. they their money right away worry about charge backs. _delete_hotmail.com happy hunting. 3178 it constantly changes nt pro21 3179 agree scarce the other methods are better and certainly faster. i have little or no experience with firepay as few times i've tried it it's been a major pain-in-the-a to get anything done via their website. primarily use paypal neteller mainly for rtg casinos. 3180 it occurs frequently scarce a lot of offers won't appear on their websites. e-mail is the primary means sending these things out. few examples will suffice golden palace routinely sends out large to selcted members some as much 1000 1000. captaincooks illustrated send 500 250 or even so i'm told occassionally. i don't get anymore after burning them various rtg casinos make for intended recipient only. are 100 but 35-50 routine and have deposit maximums. in long run pays be good customer rather than hit-and-run expert. you gain experience you'll learn which places one-shot deals while others should milked regularly. 3181 be careful scarce playing with a 2nd id even legitimate one could much more trouble than it's worth. some casino's it will get you blacklisted. and once that starts you'll blacklisted at others. make sure you're using two computers isp's different addresses phone numbers credit cards etc. also need your sister's such as driver's license or passport times utility bill . essentially i read place her blessing probably because know she does what doing. don't see anything wrong this myself in instance she's not living but advised nastier places may think is con withhold winnings deposit definitely locked out of account. happening bonus chasing career over. 3182 yes there is.. scarce at the-board-that-will-not-be-named the current subscription price is 100 per annum to get latest up-to-the-minute literally information. or you can read it for free with messages that are 10-14 days old. if hunt around i'm sure you'll find url. sworn secrecy and will probably an ice pick in back of head sharing this much info. 3187 queen... homer j. simpson thanks for the paypal info. can you please post how your experience with con goes. out of curiousity do plan to wager just 2x bonus or deposit bonus. website says but i am considering be on safe side plus as scarce said will not wear my welcome this way... --homer 3189 what in the he11 are you talking about nt dann 3190 stan. acrop. con caruso it seems are doing a stanley acropolis on christmas day. get the turkey out way folks 3191 did you miss the last one green baize vampire this is not first time they it briefly a few months back. i won't be taking part - can't think of anything worse than neglecting my friends family on xmas day for promotion real compulsive gambling stuff. 3192 regret posting that green baize vampire i can't think of anything worse than neglecting my friends family on xmas day for a promotion real compulsive gambling stuff. actually that. can quite see some people it is good idea whose circumstances may be different. hope no one who taking part in the or working through took offence. 3193 yes caruso i did miss the first one don't consider four hours of advantage blackjack on any day year compulsive gambling . thanks for your concern but those two normal daytime second bit takes place in not-so-early boxing us my family will be approx. metres away so think i'll neglecting anyone sunshine. 3194 again with the sorry green baize vampire i thought my first retraction covered this. it was not in any case meant to be directed at you personally. 3195 no prob john caruso anyway it's only four hours' worth so maybe not even the bother. although admittedly i didn't get more than hours in at stan. acrop. until casino is closed for maintenance capacity rapidly going broke... 3196 uk casino online. riviera hi have opened an account with ecash via will hill and was sent e-mail about 20 bonus fo intiial deposit. however when i called them up they said that the offer only for us customers anyone been unlucky to recieved this mail in made deposit without knowing rtk 3197 william hill green baize vampire ...are always pulling this kind of stunt. it was notorious that promotional offers for the willhill.com sportsbook were different from those offered by williamhill.com and neither organization knew what other doing. confusion generated splitting wh casino into us uk accounts made even worse-i'm not sure they understand either. 3199 please copy and paste the email you received nt sirius 3202 question for bob fischer spiller you have several times referred to the penetration in 6-deck ug game. how do know when shoe is reshuffled 3203 see internet green chip nt bob fisher 3204 i guess you are going to have pay get an answer...hehe nt homer j. simpson 3205 www.1cnp.com is 100 scam please read jerry you have reason to worry tobias. if or anyone else the above posts and are still not convinced that 1cnp.com a i can assure as yet another victim do deposit money there. will see it again should researched this before deposited but didn't. now find following information after company because 1. look up on register.com domain lookup get bullshit name universal equity holding inc totally fake email address david_moor yahoo.com what kind of casino uses yahoo mail 1201 market street suite 1600 wilmington de 19801 us company's 2. there no phone numbers cannot contact them they only form hide behind. use yes recieve an answer most likely always telling cash out yet. keep thinking real casino. 3. bonus 101 play more than 90 hands cashout screen exact number remaining cashout. metre supposedly shows how many other users experienced 1cnp keeps saying haven't reached poker in order also even your original deposit. think bet decide withdraw own money. why 4. their about page say owned by anywhere entertainment ltda.... thought was such name... licensed costa rica bullshit. give ltda. apartado 695-1007 centro col n san jose which here's scoop from found scam. has whatsoever any addresses given fake. run individual named david moor probably home delaware usa. he support just forwards account. registered under guarantee being used with for owner's paypal were don't like did would paying into . honestly free account quite clear scammer who running whole company. heck could it's easy. so let fool know lost great deal scams want be one specifically taken time write long message i've been stupid scammed scamming else. thanks reading goodluck. recommended highly recommend www.casinonet.com 3206 paypal question bizarro if someone sends money to my e-mail with when i open the what will it say is process of getting cash regards 3209 firepay much improved asap their site speed ok now. i have had no problems except for that. 3210 win loss percentage question all_in i've been trying out some new strategy on www.blackjackinfo.com... the got game set for 8decks and no surrender dd after anything ... i'm playing near perfect bs thru over 3000 hands..i know because there is a hand counter site. so far 1373 wins 1390 losses...the balance are push...i started with bankroll of 1000 now have 3335. this real many hands call me paranoid but i think that winning way to hands. when does 47.x 52.x ratio in if rigged which certain you will tell whether it or not then beat odds. isn't done nothing waste another night. thanks any response. 3211 response caruso so far i've got 1373 wins and 1390 losses...the balance are push...i started with a bankroll of 1000 now have 3335. i make it 17 losses not 3335 wins. something's wrong there. no course it's rigged strategy trainer an online casino game the vast majority which aren't as such anyway . i'd assume you know difference but since post question on net board bj misc. would be better may confusing two. when does 47.x 52.x ratio set in from first hand play else if were playing for purpose improving your basic then time well spent otherwise ain't. 3212 caruso ..that should read 3335 all_in my profit at this point is 2335...but the win loss ratio 17 hands more for dealer than myself... even 47.x 52.x then be taking back some sometime soon...assume 5 per 100 decisions 3000 converts to 150 ....a far cry from 17...when will house take it's trix....assuming that it straight. and with respect caruso...i'm sure straight...why would someone rig a practice mode..other show you can win.. i'll try another report results. 3213 why books about online gambling bizarro what is so hard comp hustling that you need to read a book it seems easy enough be explaind on few pages. excuse my newbie question 3214 not rocket science space captain what is so hard about online gambling comp hustling that you need to read a book it seems easy enough be explaind on few pages. i agree. isn't science. there are out who think five year degree program. 3215 beatwebcasinos pro21 i thought that bill's book was very ggod when it came out but the basics can all be picked up from article he wrote in bj forum. problem with his and books like is game constantly changing. really valuable information which casinos have best promos are no collecting from. this info you won't find any book. 3216 the market changes too quickly. anon314 how you made your best money two years ago was sign-up bonuses. 18 months it ug bj. 12 rtg all of that is outdated. there are few good bj now fixed. rtg's seem to be going bankrupt. 3217 sounds like you know the score.. scarce i agree with everything as written. 3218 welcome to the wacky world of online gambling scarce none what you've written is surprising. a good portion casino's on net are mom-and-pop run through someone's servers in carribean while someone man's phone out their apartment michigan or wherever. i think gss even sell's for 99 right now doing some tv advertising. 3219 every book i've read taught me something asap the paltry price of haywood's will be repaid many times over if you bother. a lot info is dated but it's well written and pick up at least one or two ideas guaranteed. 3221 rtg's seem to be going bankrupt anononek and none too soon imo. imo rtg sites are just about the worst of online casinos--and few run by decent operators fast becoming like their brethren. i'm also suspicious bj game. almost all have cash flow problems---imo that s a big incentive for rig games. it's bad though software used i think fair but over last 6 months this group has lost lot credibility. 3222 rigged game all_in can you detail your suspicion 3223 rtg space captain i think a lot of the cut their own throats by being slow with payments. unfortunately there are good casinos that have taken beating at opa and wol just because they're rtg. fact behind safebet has added fuel to fire. also they've had aggressive bonus programs which course called for enforcement against people they say abused them. paint all broad brush some problems doesn't seem be logical. is no indication software rigged or licesees ability rig it. anyway my point ought more careful about tossing around terms like games in an atmosphere where others likely pick it up run reality if you don't statistics back such claim utter nonsense serves one's interest. 3224 one recommendation green baize vampire ...is rob mcgarvey's aces faces blackjack which contains the best current treatment of online gambling. it is tied in closely with rob's webpage so does not date quite as fast other books would. 3225 serves no one's interest... all_in i quite disagree with this comment.. first of all anyone who has a serious interest in advantage play will have great the probability rigged rng's... asked simple question previous thread about possibility that rng's may be rigged. their was interest. leads me to believe posters been beaten and refuse research or collaborate on resolving riddle knowing proving are not random is greatest importance when working against computer can hold countless bits memory. 3226 rigged games players' interests space captain the reality is that if you don't have statistics to back it up such a claim utter nonsense and serves no one's interest. knowing proving rng's are not random of greatest importance when working against computer can hold countless bits memory first one going rig vp game isn't likely be done in rng. i suspect just about all out there using fair you'll do or after numbers mapped card values. so question whether rng but rather outcome rigged. simply stated can't draw meaningful conclusions as without collecting significant amount statistical data. seen posts here present -- simple analysis how for down x n hands adequate. blast rgt casinos possibly shred data me meaningless sensible person would disgregard allegations some kind support them. 3227 rng's green baize vampire i asked a simple question in previous thread about the possibility that may be rigged. their was no interest probably because casino would actually rig an rng. is not really how you'd do it. you have to alter card dealing algorthym which involves rather more programming. if rng producing random numbers it problem for player. 3228 casino merlin dead bobby does anyone know if they are bankrupt i have a 500 payment pending now for 4 months after sent the fax back form . emailed almost 20 times. always responded and said would pay approved my cashout. even got fedex tracking numbers 2 ago. unfortunately never paid. apologized profusely. decided to ignore emails rather than try explain why broke in 8 separate firm promises. tried log into their today but it didn't work. what is going on with them. 3229 they seem kaput scarce no phone service anymore either. apparently couldn't pay their licensing fee's so rtg pulled the plug. writing has been on wall since last summer when started making very generous offers e.g. 500 250 and began taking months to always with profuse apologies. 3230 steer clear not a sucker just had conversation with an operator at omni casino. they told me that i was going to be required make 1500 in total wagers before allowed withdraw any funds after receiving 20 bonus on purchase. find it very diffacult if impossible 40 bankroll. did accept their offer. 3231 gss panhandler what's 3232 gamblingsoftware.com nt scarce 3233 not quite true scarce you won't be able to withdraw any of the bonus money but will your deposit. is it really 1500 wagered for 20 offer i thought that only applied their 150 50 every month deal . in event it's a shame most cryptologic casino's have gone overboard with wagering requirements. sands kiwi and few others similar offers. think safari even at 3000 withdrawing this promo. might try intercasino instead which has reasonable 600 w.r. 3234 algorythms... all_in i'm not a math major... can you give me an example of algorythm that may be used to this end. i hear what and space cptn are saying though 3235 cryptologic casinos shooting themselves in the foot green baize vampire any one care to throw out an explanation as why they are doing this advantage players only really matters terms of time actual ev a promo does not change much. my guess is that pissing off regular and network throwing creche with bathwater. 3237 equal ev caruso the actual of a promo does not change much 50 with wr 1500 to 600 i make one about 3 and other 8 matters me. since regular gamblers will readily gamble for hours on end their own money can't see that incentive in return 30 times play through worry them too much. they're doing it separate wheat from chaff so speak. i'd do same small refinements dare say this is shape things come. 3238 algorithm space captain there are lots of kinds rngs. when the machine is sitting idle it isn't really -- rng said to be spinning or generating random numbers at rate some thousand per second. this just a mathematical process that known by empirical testing as well design return series can transformed into card values for example 0-51 uniformly. first coin dropped credit applied next number drawn and then mapped value. 0 may 2h 1 3h up 51 aces spades. must determined selected value hasn't already been used so procedure test condition if has another would need drawn. any 5 graphic images which displayed. you discard say 3 cards displayed replacements discards. my earlier point i think gbv's also rigging game likely occur in itself simply because mapping incomplete. rig generate more 3's than 7's what does get you're interested outcome hand only makes sense instead. want 9 6 jb look was going winner such winners have generated last 500 hands from fix necessary keep winning kind within range want. much easier do after make different. 3239 thanks 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is resorting to dirty tricks howie there are too many online casinos and getting be less people gambling because of the worldwide recession.so casino management starting show their true colours dishonest traits.i have a forum at delphi's around world chatted with me said they encounted resort to.i did not take them seriously until i casinos-miamibeach flashcasinofortune mapau.the credit controller all these from group.i won an account in each during december through some contest.i registered first miamibeachcasino then informed about my prize by email. few hours later wanted deposit money try out games but found that was locked claimed traced isp's address location minnesota. am on opposite side other displayed as 203.124. __ so how minnesota.they send id or drivers license which must photo-what do need photo for validity expired last day .this trick play delay no longer valid.i received word over two free accounts far know what expect. http forums.delphiforums.com casinowinner messages 3257 more like b.s. software jayel i have very limited online bj play. vegasusa2 was one of the casinos played at. they used to make some claim about fastest payouts. think said 2 days or something that. well that bs and creepy me. sometimes their a pause before dealer flipped over his hole card. anytime this occurred lost hand. it wasn't huge but definitely noticable. stupidly continued play eventually went broke. would highly recommed not playing there. 3258 global media i believe. caruso considering the bj horror stories out there re. this software since you only found it creepy and went broke eventually as opposed to immediately seem have done better than most. never played myself but think these folks other rogues starluck planetluck etc were written off blatantly rigged long ago. 3259 i need help here the dude hi guys just played my two first games at online casinos and experiences were not so good to know what went wrong. in game started with 130 managed rise it 200 then saw melt 90 which point decided stop. wages 3 5 depending on bankroll's size. this was casinoonline.com. friend did same thing his bankroll 360 second casinoonair.com. bought 150 given an extra bonus. rapidly freaked out stopped. 5. used custom basic srategy got from wizardofodds.com blackjackinfo.com respectively. how use those charts it's likely be matter. straight bad luck or thank you 3260 it's called gambling nt not a sucker 3261 you can lose money at blackjack nt jayel 3262 hey smartass the dude i was only amazed how fast my bankroll melt. expecting an answer suggesting a betting pattern or something like that. know what gambling is 3267 you got scammed. anon314 two years ago these guys were starnets offered 30 bonuses and paid very quickly. a real money machine. then they started to slow down payments months. switched that cheating software with which played. sorry. check out the types gamemasteronline or something before play. 3268 these guys can take forever to pay. don't do it. nt anon314 3269 with apologies ..i stand corrected..... all_in the truth may be that reality is but a strange paradox and satan indeed master of cards...... i quit will never play casino game for leisure or pleasure... i've learnet everything need to know seen more than wanted see in practice mode... thought my research would turn into religious experience..it has everyday thank good guy having put me poverty position instead leaving fortune no doubt have turned over by now.... luck one all hope potential want be.s find their lessons through rather thru misery being destroyed it. really believed had something. last post....removing myself from darkside keeping day job... 3270 deviations not a sucker if you study up there is thing called deviation that can work for positive or against negative . just have to hope the kicks in first and your playing fair game. 3271 he got scammed. anon314 if you study up there is a thing called deviation that can work for positive or against negative . just have to hope the kicks in first and your playing fair game. it seems handle belies truth. had better not 'hope' are instead should research software see what people thing. brand of fixed. don't believe me go make very large deposit at starluck happens. 3273 and the vampire... green baize vampire truth may be that reality is but a strange paradox satan indeed master of cards an agent devil. 3274 nothing to do with time green baize vampire i thought that bill's book was very ggod when it came out but the basics can all be picked up from article he wrote in bj forum. problem his and books like is game constantly changing. a completely different opinion main shortcoming of not time-sensitive nature excessive reliance on software as guide reputability. starnet for example even then had chaotic history legal entanglements boardroom massacres. they ripped off every single affiliate who signed them. if heywood knew this should have mentioned didn't done. you read which still at rge you'd think were frigging general motors. 3275 what's rge nt not a sucker 3276 swiss casino what the f rob'n'hood is there's another new in town called hell that govenment issued a i'm getting sick of all those me-too casinos. there good solid reliable i can play scammed by rtg boss media and other megalomaniac companies. -- peace 3277 www.rge21.com is arnold snyder's website nt minnesota fats 3278 similar to club dice nt bob fisher 3279 played swiss and club dice was paid quickly nt anon32 3280 online players association disbands opa mary http www.onlineplayersassociation.com index.asp 3281 nonsense. space captain in my first game i started with 130 managed to rise it 200 and then saw melt 90 at which point decided stop. wages were 3 5 depending on bankroll's size. this was casinoonline.com. friend did the same thing his bankroll 360 second casinoonair.com. bought 150 given an extra bonus. rapidly freaked out stopped. 5. while he may have been scammed there is certainly nothing information provided that would so indicate. any of you people ever heard statistics 3282 what is going on here bob fisher eworld america's online and the casino all rtg are not giving me their prompts. bt this i mean when you click icons get log screen supposed to enter your account name but must wait for a clicking vertical bar before logging on. am getting bar. can't yet still spam play at these places. couldn't deposit if wanted which don't. has been too long be temporary server down problem. anybody know places 3284 casino on air rigged homer j. simpson 284 hands 5 per hand lost 307.50 -3.1 sd's ...interpret however you wish. ...it will be a cold day in hell before i use the wizard of odds online reviews again. -- 3285 5 suicide caruso a little of my deposit went awol despite sticking ruthlessly to the 1 minimum really quite entertaining towards end. i'd exhaust more reputable brands before stepping into shark-infested waters and scale down bet size trade eye-strain for variance control so speak . 3286 most are out-of-date scarce and almost all pre-spring 2001. casino-on-air was dated sept 2000. geisha lounge new with their cytech software but it appears that this page is pretty much obsolete now. there better ways to secure the type of information you're looking for. 3292 bs-free chat messageboard dann for the past two months i've been milking online casinos. by using bonuses smart play and camouflaged betting making about 60 hour in my spare time. i understand importance of looking like a gambler. willing to lose money house. either cash out after big win - or throw few bucks back at house this has paid off many casinos want me come offer juicy do so . here's only problem most time is spent decent promos sifting through loads bs get little useful info. there anywhere go connect with fellow bonus milkers -- exchange info other intelligent gamers without pop-ups adds shills morons. any place don't wrong board but i'm something more intense. 3294 serious bonus 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do likewise. getting impression they don't like pay or are very slow about it. 3388 possibly silly question. caruso have you asked them i think these are proc cyber operations so for winnings need to put in a request at the web site failure do which shouldn't cause withdrawals be returned however but never know 3389 forget it caruso such penetration as there is online doesn't go beyond 40 no funny business - they'll love you to up your bet the level you'd need beat game but unless you're sultan of brunei or bill gates it's not too recommendable. 3394 600 us per week scott free queen sm you said in another post that make betting online. what method s do use to accomplish this how many hours play is your bankroll if don't mind me asking 3396 global wager thinks its ok to share player info opa mary see this thread at www.casinomeister.com privacy alert ocma is back up has no posted information policy their site. there's also rumors of software being...less than random...still looking into that. the supplied by iq ludorum. 3397 sportbet.com scarce all bonuses earned are only valid if the amount deposited remains in account for 30 days. withdrawal of deposit less than days will result forfeiture bonus used. winnings may be redeemed as desired. stupid rule but probably effective keeping out hustlers and other assorted vermin. 3399 its proc cyber dorrex i had the same thing happen at different places run by pc . after you request a cashin from one of casinos they are supposed to send an email asking fill out form telling them how want youre winnings. recently though have not been sending that so up player do it on their own cause if don't money will me put back into account. side note some trouble with 1. 2 checks bounced 2. problems receving refunds my original purchases cc or paypal. 3400 addendum caruso i checked out the web site a few days ago and was presented with paypal payment form all well good went back again yesterday found no such registered handle password option just load of empty catagories emailed webmaster how does one pay got what looked like blanket response to members who may have been locked recently an anonymous email address which presumably payments can be sent. is this deal page thing - emails are another you throw any light 3401 no issues thus far homer j. simpson i have played gaming club and showdown which use proc cyber microgaming software. cashed out at both sent e-mail directing me to the website fill a form in order receive my winnings. selected ach for both. has paid full amount including original deposit by am still waiting though not been more than 3 or 4 days so . therefore had problems with these two sites utilize cyber. --homer 3402 update homer j. simpson ok i got paid by showdown today. so in summary both sent me e-mails directing to proc cyber's website and within 5 business days. --homer 3403 yes scarce there's been a recent change of ownership so everything is pretty much in flux as the new owner decides on what fee he will charge and how payment be received e.g paypal or something else addition . i expect he'll have ironed out next week so. history fees at that site quite odd. initially it was free then became donate-what-you-can 10 last month it's become 100 with no time limit. they'll some like green chip here bj21 quarterly yearly fees. another strange thing they're not exactly clamouring for members fact opposite seems to case. 3404 the casino online closes scarce newsflash from gonegambling sadly tco closed on 16th january 2002 larry dropped into chat site and told gg members what happened. it was excessive charge-backs by players who caused most of problems. is waiting to see balance things after credit card companies do they have do. if there money left we're sure he'll pay winners but don't rely coming. you losers then no available winners. 3405 any bets on who's next scarce this is the third rtg casino to close in last couple of weeks. other's were merlin's and worldplay. anyone taking who will be obvious signs are large bonus offers mixed with very slow payments. here's my list possible contenders. take your chances them inetbet vegas strip america's online club regal mardigras cleopatra's e-world sci-fi group las usa twin aces previous post gave as excessive chargebacks reason went under. obviously that's a crock. these places all seem mismanaged under capitalized. they just never understood business in. 3406 happens once in awhile anon314 every few months it seems a microgaming will just credit you with what they call token refund which means are putting the money back your account. i've called csm's and have no idea why this was done. perhaps did not fulfill wagering requirements or something. withdrawl again don't worry about it. 3407 sci-fi owes me the most so i vote for them. nt anon314 3408 coming out ahead scott free from your previous post and other reading i've done i have come to these conclusions about those who manage make a profit playing in online casinos 1. they bet smart using for example basic bj strategy with good count system coupled money management govern the amount of thier bets. this allows them break even or end up small loss long term. 2. their real on comps. does everyone agree 3409 yes mostly dann i was starting to count cards in land-based casinos but the house rules on riverboats around here sucked as did penetration. that's why headed online which have proven be much more lucrative. don't even mess with counting anymore. most shuffle after each hand anyway. if you play basic strategy find good sign-up bonuses keep records and stick reputable it'll a very financially rewarding part-time job. i've been playing few hours per week am up about 1 500 three weeks. read beatwebcasinos.com it's book not web site by bill haywood. teach all need know. 3410 question for queen sm jerry hey may i ask what casino s u are playing at and game play to make 600 a week 3411 might be a proc-cyber issue scarce they seem to have new way do your transactions directly through the software rather than going website which i tried few days ago. my username was not recognized. then updated payment details bank in getting you appear user.. message. this took me window within and sent cash-in there. for while i've been deposit winnings via cheque or courier instead of having credit card refunded. really never found out why that occuring though. 3413 microgaming screws up ms office banana4 i have a weird glitch whenever run client. am running winxp. for some reason when open the mg client it briefly opens then minimizes itself and powerpoint 2000. minor enough nuisance but now my is messed it's unable to any presentations giving me message that found an error can't correct. you should save quit restart powerpoint. has this happened anyone else suggestions from windows experts 3415 player info not secure at rtg casinos opa mary yes this has been posted before but it bears some repeating real time gaming's security leaves a lot to be desired. for the latest debacle go http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 003490-5.html is actually five-page pissing match between myself and joel bess of vegas lobby. youc an start on page five if you want rest back up. 3416 same old tired worn out discussion... space captain while the phrased is over-used on internet never has it applied more directly get a life 3417 wow you read that fast opa mary rtg affiliate posts my home address i get pissed. since it's been brought up before and hasn't done anything about their security it may be of interest to other players. if doesn't bother go ahead open an account at site. please. they need the money pay blackjack is very nice. will enjoy it. sure bet more than terms promotion so don't locked out. 3418 ny times article on netcasino credit crunch... burnt card 3419 their affiliate vegas lobby will post your info opa mary not real happy about his whois and some stuff on the web failed business deals being posted www.winneronline.com he's flipped out a six page thread. 3424 fyi scarce i thought this might be of interest as bethedealer.com is an advertiser on bj21. ocma refers to onlinecasinomanagersassociation a particularly odious group who have been accused sharing player information including credit info. from part 2 3 series examining the current problems at rtg. we also looked into registration both windows casino and magic oasis later having rather dubious reputation. interestingly enough avi goldberg listed contact man for gentleman by name manuel gutierez share same worldegamin yahoo.com email address. that check online called reveals it owned one daniel schultz. staw's partner in real time gaming since 1998 named website based tel aviv israel country where goldberg's site registered. coincidence course featured servers freehardcoresmut.com which gives some indication type professionalism has gone creating wonderful organization . staw vehemently denies his schultz under investigation us federal authorities state georgia based. unverified reports were first published little over year ago according staw. 3425 btw the ocma website is now down. nt anon314 3426 vlo casino bobby has anyone played at video lottery online i just downloaded their software. play a lot of bj on line. do not recognize this it reminds me some software that came across which cheats. have any info out there before plunge in. they 50 bonus for 500 buy in is excellent and only 5 times playthrough. thanks bobby. 3427 don't scarce this is mgm gaming systems software. about as bad it gets. below a rather infamous review of transnet casino by michael shackleford. in he may have recorded the worst online result i've ever seen posted. 3430 thanks i was afraid of that bobby played at transnet casino about 6 months ago. bought in for 500 and 5 per hand with a 200 bonus. lost the entire 700 or 140 units before reached play requirements. argued cheating then just reversed charge. have only done this twice 18 play. golden palace other one it intentional thought software looked familiar. is why asked question. lot response. 3431 partypoker.com and iglobalmedia bob r i saw an ad pushing which is supposed to be a new live poker site. with name like that behind them how could they go wrong - anyone have any experience site 3432 fiverosecasino nick anyone have any trouble with fiverose collecting winnings 3433 fiverosescasino thatch not myself. i got paid in a week or so. of course they charge 30 courier fee. their promo was 110 b - 100 d if memory serves. my only concern the 7x rollover. fact that covered western union fees and did have to rollover amount made me do it. check for 485 which became 455 after fedex envelope slipped under door. don't usually play 7x's. regards expect congratulations sheet but be advised having roll x7 is 'gimme'. 3434 paypal zero global player casino works fine for me. zero_ 3435 tried and gave up bob r i signed for an account wrote them after having trouble making a deposit. my email was ignored long time up. have also heard of people being told they were not elligible the bonus you might write verify all details before get in too deep. 3437 it is in your favour gambler if you have deposited via master card and they cannot credit back cards then natural for them to request a fax back. just imagine someone using receives the check. will make chargeback won't 3438 why e-mail thatch i for one do not play in a casino unless the have live 24 7 support. call them before make deposit to verify terms. after session that met terms requirements cashing out. all on two-way phone record. then again few days later confirm my payment was sent. if is late. did you give up your money regards 3439 what the hell are you talking about scarce cheque will be sent to same address as card which is also recorded by casino. reason for information request simply so player won't do a chargeback afterward. 3440 hmm scarce i don't think he made a deposit. as for your modus operandi you can never be too careful. and casino's without phone numbers 800 are far less desirable than those with them. 3441 didn't have any money at the casino bob r i did not succeed in making a deposit. if had it certainly would been more aggressive. regarding casinos without telephone support think this limits you than is necessary. admit to playing some junk bond level when can get out of them but even valuable reputable places are primarily email for support. 3442 ic thatch i obviously read your post too quick. thought you were told that had not met bonus terms... to assure myself while playing meet terms simply use a tablet of graph paper know exactly where i'm at. the block determined squares represent my requirements. tick one off for each bet min. dd's or splits extra tick. regards 3443 ocma rtg slotski seems strange that it is down right after starting supposedly cleaning its act up. hmmm. but wait said they have nothing to do with ocma. 3444 con encourages kelly betting green baize vampire casino-on_net sent this mail i am always on the look out for ways to better your gaming experience. while studying wagering patterns of our members have noticed that many you could enjoyed a longer and more profitable experience had followed fixed-fraction rules. allow me translate if are playing table game suggest place bets do not exceed 1 -3 bankroll. example 100 in bankroll bet no than 3 per hand. same percentage. win size will increase. dealer wins decrease. overall last much giving greater opportunity take advantage when hit winning streak. one major disadvantage being casino is control punter's size. means they need fairly large initial capitalization prevent ror even though most games house edge an player only dream of. reading between lines - by sending got few customers from perspective reduce con's optimal geometric growth portfolio. ingenious. 3445 do you really think so scarce this is a strange e-mail to say the least. math and logic will go over most people's heads. they'll simply disregard it. people gamble as they choose at home with no one watching theyre often reckless stupid care be. tilt probably industry norm. case in point i'm someone else play multiplayer game. he has about 225. bonus was 50. bets 25 wins. 50 100 pretty soon him bet 500 bankroll 3k. unfortunately our hero did not cash out quickly lost everything. later on i see that he's re-bought for another continues manner. real problem these type of players occassional win or magnitude casino net ample resources deal them but threat os disgruntled embarrassed losers making chargebacks later. casinos want money -make mistake- it increments great gobs. 3446 true green baize vampire this is a strange e-mail to say the least. math and logic will go over most people's heads. they'll simply disregard it. people gamble as they choose at home with no one watching theyre often reckless stupid care be. tilt probably industry norm. true. real problem these type of players not occassional win or magnitude casino on net has ample resources deal them but threat os disgruntled embarrassed losers making chargebacks later. casinos do want money -make mistake- it in increments great gobs. undoubtedly minor issue when compared like. however if could get even 0.01 their loyal clients use something approximating reverse kelly betting that would be worth hell lot security long term. my post was bit tongue-in-cheek. guess some hack wrote before ink dried i doubt much thought went into 3447 sarcasm anon314 my post was a bit tongue-in-cheek. guess is some hack wrote that before the ink dried and i doubt much thought went into it. you should put little 's or something when are doing online. am sure many people miss it other may think were backing out of stupid statement have to tell not making serious post. 3448 you are probably right green baize vampire should put little 's or something when doing sarcasm online. i am sure that many people miss it other may think were backing out of a stupid statement have to tell not making serious post. there is point in somewhere. i've experimented with emoticons but they bit naff frankly system designed for lovesick teenagers and totally place on an discussion board like this. 3449 casino on air bj rules bobby i just signed up with this casinoonair.com. they have a 150 for bonus 1500 playthrough. it is java game which usually don't play but an igc approved helps so tried out. very interesting and some glitch in their software that favors the player. played through my at 10 per hand three times dealer paid showing stiff after drawing one card . think had pat each time. know how often happens sure helps. also has least 3 decks probably more good das s17 kicker you can double down split aces or hit them. plays almost as fast rtg--i was easily playing hands minute if not 11 12. won 100 addition to bonus. bad 20 minutes of now we will see about payment. 3450 interesting caruso ...given that this one and the sister casino bar are generally considered to be rigged i don't mean in players' favour. if you're on level you seem have experienced a freak of nature. 3451 casino on air is rigged homer j. simpson try to get your money which caruso right about you were lucky and out --homer 3452 payment bobby i cashed out a little while ago. they have five day waiting period. wonder if will pay. expect since are probably making good percentage cheating. follow up get paid. guess got lucky. usually stay away form java games except unified gaming which found very reliable with random games. 3453 thecasinoonline closed blackjack moron does anybody have any suggestions on how i can get my money from the know defunct www.thecasinoonline.com deposited 2000 using paypal cashed out for 1100. so all want to receive is whats left of deposit. no winnings. but deposit was over 2 months ago says they cannot help me. 3454 here's one way scarce you should also phone rtg. i'll find the number if can't locate it. supposedly they're serious about paying back monies owed by three casinos which recently closed merlin's and worldplay being other two . link is to an rtg complaint form. 3455 phone scarce the contact number for rtg is 404 459-4263. vicki gadolin may be handling these. or you could try ceo president robert staw. they're based in atlanta georgia. 3456 thanks for your help nt blackjack moron 3458 how come danish players can t enter some promotions rat are they all expert comp hustlers what have i missed 3459 lol banana4 any of you guys watching the bernard hopkins carl daniels middleweight championship fight tonight must have been as surprised at tattoo worn on back reading golden palace .com 3460 no not at all. scarce this has been going on for months. where have you 3461 actually... banana4 after posting that i did remember it on his back for the trinidad fight. was still neat to see though as well him trying get those shameless plugs in post-fight interview. it's gonna be an expensive tattoo gp when he fights rjj. 3462 i got paid by paypal within 1 week nt bobby 3463 number of decks for rtg bobby i have played a lot bj at casinos more than 20 000 hands . always assumed that the game was two deck game. occasionally would modify my play based upon count i.e. holding 5 4 3 against dealer 10 stand yesterday dealt hand with five aces in it them were hearts had never paid attention because info read said double deck. playing las vegas usa. anyone know how many uses. am now assuming least 4. thanks bobby. 3464 it varies anononek many used to use 2 decks but i beleive each casino can set their own number of decks. always assume it's a multideck game 6 or more . 3465 maybe setu2 don't know this for sure but i'd be willing to bet it has something do with danish laws that heavily favor the players in event of disputes. 3466 casinobar not a sucker has anyone here had any experience w flash casino just would like some feedback before using their 150 match bonus thanks 3467 default 4 caruso apparently the setting is four decks i've always assumed worst ie. six rotten game -0.66 although i did recently come across an unusual specimen - one deck h17 of course . same casino even has decent vp pay tables as opposed to usual rtg stinking s t ripoff ones. 3468 yes. caruso apparently there was a danish tv show which explained exactly how do go about playing net casinos for profit. those danes already practiced in the art must have been cursing their rotten luck ever since. please god may no exec. get same bright idea my neck of woods. 3469 no it's simpler than that. scarce denmark has a bad reputation among casino owners because danish portal owner went on national tv and explained in detail how folks could go about exploiting the bonus system of online casinos. since then whole groups websites have sprung up often using referrals. i've heard as many 1800 players were involved more-or-less organized fashion. with anything i'm sure novice player's not too careful they played or whom organized. this been going for over year. casinos simply bar from denmark. 3470 any experiences with twinacescasino.com nt drew 3471 most experienced players anononek believe it's rigged. that was my experience and i've seen many posts by who have gotten bit this place the developed their own cheesy software instead of using one name brand groups . i would avoid but your money. let us know what results were if you play there. 3472 many scarce they're reliable but awfully damn slow. if you get your winnings in under 2 months you'd be doing well. the other casino's this group are las vegas usa and online. gambler's lobby might also group. 3473 thanx not a sucker i will heed your warning and pass on this one. again 3474 still waiting months later... anon314 and expect to be asked fill out forms fax them after your withdrawl has been sitting around for a month then lose tell you about it later perhaps get check when they feel like it. 3475 partypoker none play there at least 3 to 4 times a week never had any problems with money if thats concern. it's becoming more and popular the ppm's in high gear. games aren't as tough 2 other pp's but they easy use be either. there's something specific you want know ask away... 3476 if any brit tries that... green baize vampire i will personally beat the living crap out of them though may have to wait in line... some level hypocrisy charges at me here but i've been fairly discreet about online gambling 3477 article about online gambling bj addict i found this in the san diego union-tribune's business section personal tech special on feb. 4 2002 http www.uniontrib.com news uniontrib mon news_mz1b4virtual.html 3478 vegas from home casino fails to credit winning bets rudy this is a unified gaming casino. it approved by the gambling commission. has incorrectly shown my account lose 5 on superbowl various propositions including patriots money line . i won these and there about 600 at stake. emailed them 3 times past two days pointed out problems. they have an auto reply email that says will respond within 4 hours. failed respond. called their 1-800 number yesterday today. no answer. anyone any experience with since are commission should contact try find what going i'm getting worried stiff me bets. can do 3479 anyone know who is affiliated with hooks casino they wont tell me. i contacted their support but was told that are not allowed to give me information and the outsourced. don't why classified information. 3480 bj at sportsbook.com gwils i bought in for the sportsbetting and one day started playing a little blackjack. does anyone know if casino is fair. am up 170 betting 10 hand wondering should just quit while ahead. 3481 interesting article nt bobby 3482 casino extreme not a sucker what type of experiences has anyone had with 3483 vegas casino online not a sucker is this the that has been reccomended to stay away from 3484 see twin aces review same bunch nt scarce 3485 first web and a few others scarce they're all reliable anyway. 3486 crooks dongambler these people are stay far away 3487 casinoextreme thatch have a second requirement that you to watch out for. 100 match 100. first it says d bx5... i met the betting then wanted cash 182 my balance. was told in order with bonus had balance over 200. played 2 more 5 hands got lucky won both and escaped 202. 102 profit for 45 min. don't recommend joint. live support rude but neteller week. regards 3488 extreme crooks caruso it would seem that the manager of this operation decides whether or not you deserve your winnings furthermore should grumble he'll tell it's no concern to him - he's got money and keeping it. rather like cyber croupier in fact. one blacker rtg black sheep. course might get paid i did some time ago but i'd say risk is too great right now. 3489 rouge casino lists drew greetings. which sites in addition to casinomeister.com would you recommend for a nice clear list of net casinos avoid thanks. - -drew 3491 stole 1900 from me... captain jack one day i had a balance of the next it was gone. took 4 weeks for them to finally answer my questions about it...they told me pissed all away playing roulette. considering anyone who knows online or offline wouldn't go within mile standard roulette game...and i've never played at any rtg casino...it just ludicrous. got money back no matter complained to... 3492 thats what i call gambling nt rat 3493 casino bar software was rigged james and this widely publicized on gambling message boards. i lost about 1k myself. they even refunded the ridiculous losses of one player but without admitting guilt. sister site air a starnet at time is now running same homebrew software. however happened after upgrade year or more ago. it possible probable have changed their since then. if so then likely none us would know doubt any knowlegeable players from that been back since. never had problem being paid by them. bit slow perhaps. btw bobby you be well-advised to lend zero weight igc safebet eog other logo see plastered website. exception might opa in its former newly reborn incarnation. maybe. 3494 valuable list thatch as posted in green chip. for 'bunters' bonus hunters a good seeking 'prey' my address and nick are of course different than the one i use hunting session here's an interesting list. beauty is that research already made you. it must be recently updated find same info casinos themselves. site does not get kickbacks from casinos. if you don't have enjoy. at casinocashjourney.com can retalliate kind with sources privately or openly would most obliged. regards 3495 a casinoonair response comments thatch in my searches i came accross two shady imoho casinos that had their terms something along the lines of... irregular betting patterns can lead to termination... or voiding accounts... such as flat order cash bonus... dismissed them. looks shitty no phones crap mentioned above. filed under bs not basic strategy . from area notice on bonus offer abuse non-normal playing will be reviewed before processing your payouts and cancellation of both winnings. since they don't own phone emailed them question which was what is 'non-normal patterns' constant considered pattern regards me reply dear member know why call member... out words thank you for contacting our support team. perfectly normal. ---- we wouldn't want raising any ideas about but let's just say if use then most probably do. are welcome query us feel unsure this subject. please let further assistance. roy customer service www.casinoonair.com ---------- original message paragraph have put between arrows seem tell long tale lines... how many bunters been burned by anyone care 3496 more hot air d.edge what's all the hype about casino on i played here and wagered requirements only with 5 bets still made a profit of 135. rules are liberal sometimes dealer makes mistakes that being said game could be crooked. well received my cheque weeks later. haven't cashed it yet... not so lucky at bar their sister casino. got slagged but noticed same mistakes. was suspicious this one since won maybe things balanced out. out 10 less than original deposit credited within few days. go gently into good air... 3497 www.internetcommission.com reliable mr deviant are the lists on i've played a number of their licensed and audited sites before without getting ripped off. latest site i tried was casinobar i'm very suspicious software. with slightly over 1k action mainly 3 hands lost 124 ... seems pretty fishy to me. 3498 better than nothing scarce ...but still doesn't mean much in my opinion. if casino bar are there you can be sure places as bad or worse. the igc is a relatively toothless organization safebet some others but all really needs to do pay licensing fee and have their accreditation rubber-stamped. so sign that has resources operate it's good one fair software actually pays different matter. 3499 king neptune ... anyone know what's up banana4 i got this message on the 30th of january. still no credit so far. dear me account number great news neptune's casino system is being upgraded to provide you with an even better gaming experience. there will be lots new and exciting games fantastic promotions help win in order complete upgrades not available for a few weeks from january 31st 2002. your has balance - 100 within next days. we thank patronage invite visit version too distant future. please check our website regularly updates at http kingneptunescasino.com best regards management staff www.kingneptunescasino.com 3500 thanks thatch very helpful. nt olm 3501 changing their software nt scarce 3502 c'mon... i know someone has a good site for me nt drew 3503 a list the gamemaster hello. i think you mean rogue not rouge red in french . original is at www.casinomeister.com and there one on blacklist page of my site. gm 3504 my experience - mileage may vary setu2 in the past 2 months or so i've test driven 10 casinos. they are casino-on-net grand banks illustrated captain cooks geisha lounge lucky liner club dice intercasino flamingo and nugget. each case i took advantage of sign-up bonuses had with almost no problems. both required a follow-up email to have account credited bonus but cases followed up an prpomply account. overall found play at these casinos be fair well blackjack anyway. was able manage minor profit on 1 problem headache i'm still dealing with. cooks. i'd asked net winnings sent me directly via paypal which said would do. instead only initial deposit came check. check arrived withing about week not real big deal. has do intercasino. require you use ecash-direct can't withdraw money until you've gotten permanent pin number. mail it claim will take 5 days. called little after weeks provide over phone re-issue should get again today now 7 days later for manager see if they'd number phone. customer service rep refused forward as expressed astonishment somewhat vociferously though profanely threatningly she threatened hang me. got this one fight bit. first foray into online probably better than expected. without 700 managed add 400 bankroll. all rate top. like layout rules stand their cashin policies i'll stay away from them associated anyway... thought someone reading here appreciate two cents worth. 3505 good choices all scarce this is a pretty list. are fine. i've had few minor problems with grand banks but they're rtg so that's to be expected. probably better than any other casino using that software. flamingo club affiliated golden palace i have no complaints group as it's presently run. captain cooks seem more screwups most microgaming places in sending cheques and they will bar players for playing only during promotion offers same illustrated . speak from experience on one. intercasino frankly one of the top online casinos. annoying cryptologic pin code does take weeks through mail come. if you're older version 4.0 or 3.0 software i'd upgrade new ge version. you won't use floppy anymore keep code. 3506 non-normal betting patterns james is a euphemism for making low-risk bets playing against yourself like red and black simultaneously at roulette or pass don't craps banker player baccarat. if you do this to fulfill requirements on bonus surefire way get kicked out of casino hopefully with your deposit intact. the amusing thing will even scamming strategy was losing one double-zero wheel while 4x 15 bonus. 3507 terms setu2 from what i've seen though craps roulette and baccarat play is usually excluded in satisfying wagering requirements for bonuses. i remember seeing a couple of sites that blackjack too. 3508 live casino drhocasinomanager just to add the thread -- while peter kjaer dr. ho's son-in-law does run drho.com company is ultimately majority owned by that owns land based casinos stdm. in macau are certainly need of a remodeling and dealers witness 10 tipping stories less than friendly ho has never been accused cheating or not playing his winners. also true since you don't have worry about swiping tips out your bankroll. hard tip girl can only see via webcast although we're working on as for 70mb download which was obviously an ill conceived notion last week we launched non-download video www.drho888.com flash i.e. runs web browser . what i say try learn from our mistakes. now operating 2 drho888 non-live traditional boss media product located at www.drholite.com finally right net. 3509 correct thatch ... no baccarat roulette craps and blackjack here's 3 where does not qualify for bet requirements vegascountrycasino grandbaycasino powerbets is this the beginning of a trend rgards 3511 casinobar martin i had the same experience with casino bar. those guys were pulling hands out of their ass. am very suspicious them would not recommend them. 3512 dealer mistakes bobby i experienced the same as you mention. on a few occasions when had pat hand would only draw one card and stand stiff. also while this place may cheat it makes me less suspicious if they aggresively bar bunters. set percentage win bj at 10 do very well even against bonus abusers . got paid by paypal for net of 250 150 plus 100 profit 3513 intercasino green baize vampire anyway... thought someone reading here would appreciate my two cents worth. definitely hope you stick around. i'd pay for this type of information. i agree with scarce about intercasino-they do pay. they seem to be having trouble the pin number system at moment but seems down inefficient bureacracy rather than a malicious desire slow-pay. won't miss much by passing on other cryptologic casinos their action requirements are ridiculous. 3514 yes... drew pardon my poor spelling. casinomeister.com is the one i already know about as mentioned in text of post . so just casinomeister and game master would've thought there would be more than two such lists. thanks - -drew 3515 thanks for info...my 2 cents to follow nt homer j. simpson 3516 my experiences homer j. simpson i recommend all of the following online casinos if anyone is wondering where to begin...also would appreciate it others could list other that have not taken advantage yet. casino-on-net - 1000 deposit for 250 bonus w paypal . 2xb wagering requirement seriously you can see how much wagered indirectly by checking amount points accumulated. original returned via paypal. winnings sent bank wire with no charge personal choice in about 5 biz days. take con's offer before moving on any casino. a vegas usa did this one early wanted risk depositing larger amounts. basically test waters and process through from start end really worked. 20 40 bonus. wager 2x d b cash out. firepay check which arrived 3-4 as an added track status delivery ups think also bet close are having met requirement. english harbour silver dollar carribean gold these sites similar use oddson software. 50 8xb same 4x while playing clicking button labeled status. rest check. issues. illustrated uses microgaming software found be most reputable only problem speed play something called playcheck cashcheck allows cashouts. 75 must 6x 3 downside otherwise highly recommended. lucky nugget 100 110 3x again 3-5 another excellent site. captain cooks 85 asked paid but both were along fee unknown me until receiving issues banking still starting get tired typing thinking gaming club again. 150 great showdown what else 5x requirements. cashed out wire. orbital microgaming. 110. river belle. 115. ...anyhoo 1160 money. you'll extra grand your pocket...not effort either. bad... casino-on-air stole 150. site rigged regardless may say. maybe they will make mistake favor do want when there so free money --homer 3517 anyone have info on the fortune lounge casinos homer j. simpson these are 7 sultans room royal vegas palms and villa. villa 30 bonuses up to 1000 deposit so ones i am most interested in. tried sites do they pay out my guess would be yes since use microgaming playcheck cashcheck system. --thanks 3518 lists grow worthless over time. anon314 deals change constantly. the financial solvency of companies changes time it takes to get your money vast majority that i have seen become obsolete within 6 months because there is little maintenance done on them. imo gamemaster list now obsolete. was good for a few months. haven't gone casinomeister's list. 3519 another list the gamemaster go to gambling grumbles section at www.gambling.com and sort by date. as anon314 said all lists become dated one extent or which basically means no site can provide you with 100 assurances on where play not play. gm 3520 yes scarce the bonus's i see at moment are 7sultans 85d 100b rotal vegas 100d fortune room 10 free 30 on 1000d palms 75d 75b villa ..which totals 895. all these casino's fine but wouldn't advise doing them together in a brief period of time. they will bar players. was under impression that roxy palace also part this group don't any mention various websites. 3521 paypal scott free if you use with vegas villa for sure and the others maybe check their web sites get an additional 10 . i asked them it is in addition to 30 which gives a total of 40 on first time purchase. 3522 two computers green baize vampire i know that video poker players often become so proficent it becomes optimal for their skill level to play machines simultaneously get into the long run faster. would this make any sense online ie playing you can a working computer modem 500 if shop about. unlike vp much of gambling is downtime waiting software download and forth where approach excel. i've never tried blackjack on before but even its not possible then could compromise continuously bet bank at baccarat take fractionally higher vig which be more than compensated by extra time invested least with casinos offering reasonable bonus qualification terms. one has i'd like hear your experiences - otherwise might worthy an experiment. 3523 imho. dreamer 1 doing research first on where to play. 2 finding fast access somewhere and downloading all the programs in one hit onto a cd-rom or zip disk. if this is not possible advantage of two computers lines would be best served by having machine download time playing other. d. 3524 two computers jondo i have no personal experience with this but read where players simply opened browser windows and played both. one poster reported that he was playing hands of vp at an ug site being dealt the identical on both browsers. would adjust hold second hand based draw first hand. figure advantage 3526 onluckcasino banana4 received a 150 1800 offer from these guys. any experiences looks like rtg the screenshots but i'm not sure... 3529 global player paddyboy has anyone played at what i can see it is possible to count their 6 deck and las vegas strip games think only 50 penetration 3531 avoid counting online green baize vampire the general rule with gaming is to even in those games which can be theoretically beaten. 50 pen really awful. you easily have losing streaks lasting years if try and use a big enough spread. just concentrate on bonus. vs bonus play like putting strawweight heavyweight. literally hundred times more rewarding terms of return investment. 3533 bonus play paddyboy what do you mean by play.is this playing the promotions 3534 yes green baize vampire a more common term is bonus hustling which many of us don't like because it has crossroader associations. on related note flat-rate internet access made to ireland yet 3535 internet paddyboy well i suscribe to indigo.ie for 13 euros a month and it costs about 50 cents an hour off peak.so its pretty good. think if you dont pay monthly fee end up paying more overall. also have been pharoahs casino the edge is -0.07 thewizardofodds says can bring this down -.10 .through bs variations in exact card compositions.isnt theoretically possible make lot of money bet max each time here why do they offer such good odds player surely there catch somewhere. 3536 bj not counted scott free i haven't opened an account yet with the fortune 7 group which includes vegas villa. you say is towards betting requirement this only for paypal option or it true 30 . remember checking that and thought did count. 3539 not my number one choice caruso i played the full pay deuces wild game there while they had it - and didn't enjoy experience others did however . i've subsequently dwfp elsewhere feels like a different game. many players have posted diabolical results at blackjack table global player is ploppies' paradise shall we say. lots of luvverly bj vp games for you to chuck your money away at. 3540 oh please god nooooooooo caruso why do they offer such good odds to the player surely there is a catch somewhere. i'll tell you what friend - that game rigged. are exactly right well br'd betting max 100 would have an hourly return of 20 per day 500 working week and yet casino offers this i tried play mode felt normal hit real minutes later 3.5 standard deviations chunk money down pulled plug went back normal. how unlucky was. yeah right. if too be true work rest out yourself it's your just don't come here crying cheat when get f in backside. regarding internet access thing can better i've got 12.99 month full no call charges deal with freeserve. only snag cut off automatically after two hours. 3542 it is only a matter of time before you are stiffed with them anon314 must have not won lot money. did actually get check or they to return money card according rtg employees at winneronline.com rtg's standing policy waiting month sending out checks. i been several months for from these jokers. 3543 you are giving them a license to screw over. anon314 look at the fine print. there is some kind of line about not using two browsers. i know that ug has stolen money from people because they had browsers open and rtg guy he computers up with different rtg's. if ever figure out running same time expect lose all your assets currently held by software group. it isn't worth it. unlike vp much online gambling downtime waiting for download so forth where this approach would excel. comment seems need get faster internet connection change ideas how make money. 3545 update setu2 i finally received the pin from ecashdirect today. wound up taking just under a month. what i've heard payment isn't much of problem. 3546 true stuff scarce the only thing i can add is that often with downloadable software such as microgaming you adjust settings to play much faster fast click a mouse. and yes it's rather pointless online dial-up connection. your ev would be cut in half if not more. 3547 that's the exception not rule scarce you will find as play more that with a few exceptions most rtg casinos pay slower often. your first cash-in is usually fastest week or two. second take month. after you'll be waiting 6 weeks more. strangely enough windows may fast paying casino at moment. caveat emptor there though. 3548 rtg bj wolf star i would like very much to know which has the one deck game. also how are you able determine accurately number of decks at these casinos please use my email address res0ii2j verizon.net if uncomfortable posting this info here. certainly give referral credit is a casino don't already have an account. 3549 i agree on windows bobby they have paid me 7 times and never lost. however 4 of the wins cashed out for less than 200 to avoid fax back form which requires more info at most other rtg properties. approve cashout within days gotten checks no losses 2 week periods. powerbet has also fast but now am waiting my 5th win with only one loss. claim sent it received . promised resend without complaint. 3550 agree ' bout no paypal nt always was b4 3551 what boss media .....always hear this software is highly trusted to be random i.e. fair 3554 which casinos offer double down anytime dooner i am looking for retritable offering you to be able not just on 10 11. know that casino net does this but already used their bonus and was a good sign up. so guess with great reputation being honest having rules like anything. the only site have found is profited 370 from 400 deposit thanks some luck bonuses it seems no other offers kind of rules. also makes wager your twice before cashing out what deal 3555 boss media paddyboy really is also the name of software company. now i am supicious 3556 i wasn't suggesting anything illegal green baize vampire didn't mean with the same operation if they ever figure out that you are running two browsers at time expect to lose all your assets currently held by software group. it isn't worth it. suggest that. 3559 most do scarce i am looking for retritable casinos offering you to be able double down anytime not just on 10 11. do. microgaming and the various golden palace cytech don't. try any cryptologic boss media or real time gaming place among many others. btw is even close. 3560 please explain these two caruso how do you speed up mg unless i've missed something one accesses the internet by dialling - what mean maybe pay per call time 3561 an addition caruso i've always found the boss multiplayer version to be so my comments referred staggering aberration of a single deck game served up in singleplayer as offered by pharoahs' casino. 3563 change the settings scarce go into file. presets to something like this. turn your sound card off too. blackjack1 0 ambientsound 2 advsound startupdialog 1 backgroundmidi netcompensate setspeed coin 1000 usually online players choose dsl or cable for a much faster link internet. these do not tie up regular phone line. in particular can run at 100x than dial-up. depends on where you live but most people now access either method. cost is only about 20 more per month. 3564 thanks for the info caruso please god let it not be that i have played a trillion hands of snail mg blackjack when fast alternative was available. re. cable etc as techno neanderthal know nothing about this i'll looking into it. 3565 neither was i anon314 if you want to run two browsers one should be with software group 'a' and 'b'. for different casinos which have the same risk of having all your assets held by who use that software. even aren't doing anything 'funny'. 3566 excuse john.. scarce he thinks common-sense and logic apply to online gambling. personally i think gbv is a complete fabrication should be barred as robot player anyway. but digress.... ... j k 3567 poor experience with proc-cyber firepay jobe where do these people get off debiting your account when you place a withdrawl....or keeping money instead of paying out withdrawl. it seems to me that so-called secure sites conduct transactions are nothing but bunch scams. could be possible the casinos themselves more legitimate thoughts opinions and experiences please. 3568 i have had no negative experiences. can you provide more details nt drew 3569 more... drew actually as i think about it had one bad experience with proccyber but the matter was resolved quickly and professionally. so guess that wasn't really a experience. what happened to you - -drew 3570 the details..cheese and crackers optional jobe so after having gathered my winnings at a respective online casino i attempted to make withdrawl. requested have withdrawl directly deposited into bank account proceeded provide proc-cyber necessary information. anxiously awaited for several days amount of was shocked notice through statement that with debited be withdrawn. immediately called instead claiming error on their part they insisted investigate. it has since been two weeks phone tag countless faxes actual yet no sign relief in sign. continue investigate...very unprofessional customer service. it's wonder operations dept. does not take any calls too busy covering own asses. firepay otherhand simply did return money account. noted monthly indeed withdrawn returned balance zero. debit card them see what matter. again refusing blame notified had verify checking bend over these shady people already 2 elapsed done there signs money. apologize long post you wanted an explanation got it. responses 3571 my proccyber experience drew i'm not really sure what to tell you... others on this board are more experienced than i and can probably make some suggestions. will relate an with that went less perfectly... was playing at a microgaming site... bought in for 150 the completion of play ahead 145. 295 account. cashed out through casino software waited. few days later 145 wired bank account according details submitted proccyber. refund which usually goes first nowhere be found. frustrating calls emails provided allocation report apparantly supposed satisfy me completed transaction. still it did appear statements. emails. calls. emailed screen shot online statement wrote called again finally error corrected. all process took about 4 weeks. learned don't give up... keep emailing calling but always polite. sign thank you your time or something similar. when using email paste copies previous subject order bottom email. ask person reading review communications. is important avoid receiving form letter type responses -- very often believe customer service rep open scan general idea spit letter. additionally won't get same answer over they're forced look into personalized response. case contacted additon although they were unable provice much assistance glad investigated possibilities. firepay crooks steal money. other hand maybe just too inexperienced these two groups know better. hope helped least little. - -drew 3572 hadn't thought of that one... green baize vampire okay i learned something... 3573 does casinobar even pay mr deviant did they ever or you lose it all inclusing bonus i've lost 20 . i wonder if i'll get my 120 back 3574 paid martin i don't doubt you'll get paid. the question is can you walk away with any money left in your account after meet wagering requirements. am serious know mathematics of blackjack and streaks that occur but they shocked me by all 21s pulled out their ass. still have no proof 13 online casinos played had some very suspicious results. 3575 i played the minimum already ... mr deviant which understand to be 1500 for 150 deposit plus bonus. playing 3 hands lost 12 of action seems highly unlikely. game is definitely cheating 3577 monitors gustav shoe you can run 2 different casinos on the same computer using monitors. cannot mg at time as can't move window from one monitor to other but it's easy open another brand and 2nd then casino. do not browsers 3578 seems to have upset it caruso those setting do speed up the game unfortunately software auto-exits there must be a technical term after about three hands which rather defeats object. sod i'm done with mg bj anyway sticking job 6 9 from now on. 3579 i cashed out with a nice small win swiss pro they paid fast and without any problem ... don't know if would have started the adventure i'd read about them before but now even consider trying again in promotion. 3581 i... jobe think my chances of finding osama are better than ever seeing money again. 3582 normal or not hparade hi i am new here. recently played several thousand hands of blackjack online. was playing strictly according to the basic strategy and from websites they tell that it should be expected winning 47 time while losing 53 . at first results were quite near. however when game continued seemed started lose more. concluded result after thoudsands plays found rates around 38 wins 61 losses. is get these mean are random number generating system thanks in advance. 3583 see my response in beginner bj nt homer j. simpson 3584 just keep bugging them scarce i've heard of similar stories from other players and they've always been resolved. neither company intentionally steals your money but they do have screw-ups. records all e-mail you sending receiving. also use the phone more often a contact person's name. 3585 good as gold casino--igw software bobby has anyone played here what about igw they have a bonus and low play through. is the sofware honest 3586 affiliate program holly with slides how do you take advantage of online casinos programs 3587 difficult. it is real hard to get them pay you. nt anon314 3588 where to start poker playin fool over the past 3 months i've managed build a reasonable online bankroll playing by primarily taking advantage of freeroll tournaments regular and bonus offers. i'm interested in some offers made casino's figured i might as well put paypal money use it's just sitting there doing nothing. first i'd like know which are trust-worthy second have best programs. not necessarily meaning highest returned but also needs figure things ease attaining speed payments being tagged 'strictly promo player' etc etc. guess an old-fashioned pessimist naturally don't trust casino's. so about 250 would be most willing deposit any one casino thus bonuses that require larger deposits meaningless me. lack means payment dependability receiving utmost importance. care wait or even weeks certainly better do with my time than argue someone who barely speaks english it telephone email few hundred dollars. help locating for interests appreciated. 3589 suggestions scarce you'd probably be best off plowing through the microgaming places. most are of 50 75 100 variety. you can find a list at http www.winneronline.com software microgaming.htm . shouldn't have any problems with those casinos. paypal or firepay better options for getting your money quicker although they too drawbacks occassionally i'd suggest using credit card first though. deposit will generally returned within week and winnings sent via cheque which should receive in matter weeks. decide what games you're willing to play. blackjack is good choice but some cases video poker even provided course that play it well. also how much time worth. realize somewhere between 25- per hour playing online. if making less than this reconsider approach methodology. there plenty legitimate online casinos fit criteria perhaps hundreds. reputable places gladly accept money. knowing where them hardest element equation. 3590 soltware seems fair but some problems pablo i just played their 100 match bonus for new players which was only good on feb 14th. they offer 1 bj and results were within reason. however be aware that do not count money wagered double-downs splits as counting towards the playing requirements. also allow 10 or 11 hit soft 17. balance it an ok place to collect bonuses. 3591 blackjack tournament mib timing qualification period saturday february the 16th at 00 eastern until tuesday 19th 22 prizes 1st prize us 500 in cash or 300 bonus 2nd 200 3rd 100 more info see link below 3592 don't agree green baize vampire i've been paid several times by cryptologic. they monitor their affiliates and have a problem with signing up through your own link as is the case majority of non-gambling affiliate programs. best way to do it which perfect for cover purposes contact webmaster gambling site decent amount traffic strike deal-50 split. most webmasters will take 50 something rather than 100 nothing. there was actually advertised rebates but seems vanished. any one know where went 3593 -350 that they didn't get paid consistently enough. nt anon314 3594 omnicasino ...any info. luck nt coug it 3595 fine place scarce cryptologic about as solid they come. i've never had any problems with them. i don't advocate playing there anymore they're one of numerous crypto places to raise their play requirements what consider exorbitant 50 1500 effectively that's 15x playthrough . p.s. it's either 150d 50b or 50d 50b. been a while since played last. in event you can give them shot. the few online where quit at anytime although won't be able withdraw bonus course. 3596 true of all cryptos caruso they're one the few places online where you can quit at anytime although won't be able to withdraw bonus course. that goes for whole stable - maybe crypto have cracked problem well nearly carry over rule is nuts really can't fathom it. i was playing kiwi casino until they went a 25 wager 1 500 thats c. 30 gone on ev alone. omni also offers other deposit options including firepay and neteller which may unique among handy non us contingent . btw it's currently 50 150 plus 20 first time depositers both are subject 1500 playthrough. 3597 i know but thanks for clarifying scarce with nothing else to do at the time tried william hill's 80 last month. didn't get very far so just bailed. wage requirements were 2400 15x . figured wouldn't be bothered playing there again anyway if they want keep these kind of ridiculous terms. cost me 1 in my attempt. intercasino sands kiwi and probably others are using paypal now deposits anyway. think they're still sending cheques via mail though hopefully that will change too. 3598 thanks and why poker playin fool paypal or firepay are better options for getting your money quicker... ...i'd suggest using a credit card first though. the info link. 3599 possible but unlikely green baize vampire i hear this line all the time about online gambling. gamblers do get paid most of it is just that sample bias and a minority high-profile crooked operations tends to obscure basic honesty industry. my experience with affiliate programs they pay when don't does not matter because am playing an edge anyway. if you right by cutting deal site decent traffic webmaster have no obvious connection how on earth e-casino meant tell legitimate referral from someone for juice 3600 bringmeluck casino hacked players info including credit cards posted opa mary for three days on a russian site. hear bringmeluck's official response http www.casinogazette.com fastt news.php3 and then go cancel your card if you ever played there. unified gaming they have not emailed customers about this. 3601 aces gold bankrupt another anon they were one of the most well-respected books but have went belly-up. i know two people that lost 70k there together and tell me others who more than that. 3602 enterbet - warning players advocate i am issuing a very strong to any existing player or new thinking of playing at enterbet. think the do not play list is warranted here. we need clear industry this scum. they seem like change t's c's their promotions after you have already risked your money and played there. classic bait switch. here mo 1 entice with an e-mail bonus 2 call ask confirm terms are told them clearly 3 make deposit risk receive 4 attempt withdrawl denied asked meet some additional forfeit bonus. was enticed by one promotions. last promotion that sure had leave my funds in for 30 days. followed rules did this. wanted be apply so called specifically about assured day hold just long as wagering requireemtns met can anytime. well guess what. attempted denied. when confront albert basically go hell . it seems don't care what on phone says web wait days if want withdrawl. but him checked before making otherwise could requirements. made deposit. too bad answer received. would inform other users resoponse dont right ahead encourage final questoin telling me although csr intention steal from correct there it. deal poor customer service rude management switch tactics having held hostage quest. these guys only game town much better out 3603 today large sums of money were lost by online gamblers. anon314 aces gold casino went bankrupt. most sportsbettors had accounts there. we have gotten completely stiffed for a sum money. 3604 players or investors another anon 2 what player would be insane enough to have 70k locked up in one format 3605 big bettors james one poster at major wager claims to have had 450k here. they took 50k bets on nfl games. if you played that high his balance was only 9 bets. make 100 sports would feel strange about having 900 deposit your favorite sportsbook i a substantial here and this is huge blow. 3606 this may not apply in your case scarce ....as you're already familiar with paypal and how it works. credit cards do give you added security for all charges. is insured at all. also rather finicky. if start using a lot account might be locked you'd need to jump through hoops get unlocked. again doesn't happen much but ever does it's real pain. playing on useful that don't have keep funding re-funding account. an issue either out slowly try doing 4-5 deposits day things could little harder. good idea record of charges able balance things. card statement or online banking are regard better than my opinion. none these issues concern stick initial plan. there obstacles online. most players more one because rejections by banks gambling. 3607 thanks again nt poker playin fool 3608 so is it wise another anon 2 a 70k bank huge difference when compared to 1k huh of course if you have roll that consist millions flying around the internet at different entities then who cares do think this good idea sir 3610 it was a good deal... green baize vampire do you think this is idea sir yes deal for many. the reason being that aces offered no-juice promotions. big open secret among bettors in know sports betting equivalent of 2 1 blackjack promotion. promo what says house takes no vigorish and profit paying on theoretically even proposition. unskilled bettor could lay off bets with another book copying exploit line differential have zero risk as much 5 chance winning both wagers. skilled handicappers had higher advantage than usual. addition they very attractive sign-up bonuses. i suspect went bust because these deals got creamed. seem to behave great integrity until less month ago rated by notoriously paranoid consumer protection outfits like sportbookreview.com who now unwilling accept won't find buyer. easy scoff at those plunked down 10k but would ignore fact are trouble anyway precisely some people rich. never put any money there myself. unwise large amount tied up after superbowl when chances going bankrupt optimal. 3611 see comments above green baize vampire this was a zero-sum game. for aces to go bust someone had take their money in the first place. 3612 more constructively... green baize vampire why don't you tell us who didn't pay that would be useful. 3613 you misunderstood my question. another anon 2 which is ---is it a good idea to put all your marbles on one on-line casino ................i dont think so. 3614 not really true. anon314 this was a zero-sum game. for aces to go bust someone had take their money in the first place. if i place bet and you have no intention of paying me could taken my elsewhere gotten paid. why don't tell us who didn't pay that would be useful. do mean post me. addition aloha bali old las vegas look doubtful they are going 3615 who said people had all their money there nt anon314 3618 meant affiliates green baize vampire do you mean this for my post aces didn't pay me. in addition aloha bali and old las vegas look doubtful that they are going to i concerning affiliate programs. i'm sorry you. sportbookreview.com's latest update says vip trying put a deal together save the site hope it works out. 3619 possibly... green baize vampire if you mean put 100 of your bankroll in one operation probably i'd agree with you. however a promotion is extraordinarily favourable it justified optimal betting terms to bet very large bankroll. not because never on anything but certainty last month so far as any knew aces was essentially reputable philanthropic institution would be mad sign-up with. we know different now probability operates the basis known information and did then. this freak utterly unexpected incident. theory full paradoxes like this. 3620 kinda like an enron. another anon 2 here today gone tomorrow only the insight benefit. 3621 ok half their money. another anon 2 if you had a 140 000 would throw in one casino 3622 aloha owes me 6k and have for several months. nt anon314 3623 you have no clue what are talking about. anon314 i may a bankroll of 3 000 and lost 150k there for all know. just because people lot money does not necessarily imply that the they was large percentage their bankroll. from your posts on subject it seems want to argue sake arguing. feel free respond this post. is my last thread. nothing me add. add as proven in three posts. 3624 two quotes from green blaize vampire gustav shoe and no i never put down any money there myself . aces was essentially a reputable philanthropic institution you would be mad not to sign-up with looks like admitted that you're mad. 3625 that is simply not true jondo i understand play big relative but if you live in the states have no other option. are medium and sharp just will off shore anyway. aces gold was a recommended book by many deservedly so means top tier book. i'm sorry to see them go as it last honest place had full pay deuces at dollar higher. 3628 if you had a 3 000 bank another anon 2 and was not total idiot would have to gamble. 3633 cynical misquotation green baize vampire i made it very clear was talking about the information we had a month ago when described aces as philanthropic institution. no one not even most paranoid consumer protection sites any idea they would be in financial trouble. your attempt to deliberately confuse things is extremely unhelpful given distress caused customers. 3634 wisdom after the event green baize vampire i played blackjack last night and dealer was dealt a during high count. not an idiot for putting out my max bet. if had known going to get would have bet so much or indeed anything but did know that. you want make money gambling then calculate your edge proportion of bankroll according divided by ratio winning wager losing wager. includes factors such as risk getting paid. 90 chance being paid even-money 10 stiffed bankroll. bank is lot this that mathematically proven be best betting strategy under those conditions. subsequently are unlucky wrong decision. because allowed fear overcome intellect in game almsot certainly wasting time with serious gambling. 3635 if you had a 3 000 bank jondo and was not total idiot would have to gamble. tell that michael jordon or mr. packer. i'm sure they be interested. 3636 aces is major fiasco slotski latest figure they went under owing 20 000 beware others going 3637 weren't you the one... just moi who was last year blabbering about how deluded card counters are now say that building up a bankroll so can become counter again sounds like your anti-counter posts of were motivated by certain amount jealousy eh trying to set record straight. jm 3638 contradiction gustav shoe first of all i am one aces distressed customers big time distressed. you are the confused say that never had any money there and then if didn't sign up were mad. that's a clear to me. 3639 vamp anononek i think shoe was just making a little joke. 3640 contradictions green baize vampire first of all i am one aces distressed customers big time distressed. i'm sorry. you are the confused say that never had any money there and then if didn't sign up were mad. that's a clear contradiction to me well as brit can't watch us sports. was american-orientated. obviously it is unwise for personally bet with type operation. 3641 don't... green baize vampire start a punch-up with queen. its like trying to take swing at somebody in bouncy castle - . for the record i don't think queen has ever been millitantly anything let alone anti-counter. i'm sure you are mistaken. 3642 not everyone gambles because they have to. just moi some actually enjoy it. and better a multi-millionaire playing for fun than single mother of four gambling away her welfare check. 3643 any casino that spam nt rat 3645 video poker systems and online casinos rick welles i want to know if any of the experts on they can be used successfully or in atlantic city 3646 please steer clear of... jehovah's witness firepay and proc-cyber. i cannot stress this enough for the love of god stay away from these ecash merchants. we've all heard same story users losing money having to wait several weeks if not months payouts...etc. do even attempt provide them with your bank account information. you will be burned -jw ps. it would extremely helpful someone post just which casinos enlist services two shady outfits. thank you. 3647 not the concensus view scarce you've posted this stuff before under jobe . for record most players who use proc-cyber don't have problems. firepay report any paypal is to say there are no complaints against of them. seems be acting strangely at moment. they return deposits credit cards anymore. it's all sent via cheque or courier. kind notorious locking accounts. has had some real growing pains but resolved now least i'm hearing as much about i suggest you solve your own problem first and stop whining it on message boards. 3648 what do you mean when say... just moi paypal is kind of notorious for locking accounts. i'm in the process signing-up with and would like to know if they have any problems. thanks 3649 proc fp thatch in my own experience cyber with their bank located miami have been as good gold to me seems that mot costa rica sites use and bank... never got burned so far by proc. then again being a canuck not having us based i do any idea about the bank-to-bank issue. firepay is no problems other than merchants send only original purchase back rest form of land check - waiting game. cc's but prefered means are neteller. neteller calgary montreal both country live phone numbers. am considering paypal always hesitate deal people without phones... paranoid hm maybe not... can you be more specific your bad experiences which casinos...etc. best regards p.s. bunters toronto willing share some direct info or from anywhere else welcome via e. 3652 paypal scarce getting locked usually happens because something changed in the user's details such as their credit card address or bank account. those type of things can be cleared up but oftens requires a lot documentation to prove your new details. also if you're power user expect some problems. i won't go into here it's enough state that it does happen and for various reasons. casual is fairly safe easy way move money around. 3653 paypal contact thatch thanks. if i can talk to them and they answer clearly will deal with them. never saw that on their site. it's possible overlooked it. thanks again. anyone is interested post my weekend internet trip result as a new message. regards' 3654 he has as much right you do to post his views nt harry 3655 so the bottom line is... harry it does not matter even if you lose play game gambling right way must be a rich man. but really are then why still and taking such risks fear is great instinct when one's too great. sound like this safe endeavor should fearless... appears to me that you're man pursuing risky endeavors in hopes of making riches following high risk path. won't look around ask who have already tried follow what has been others with disastrous results let know how many gamblers can refer made big by gambling... now living good life i'm interested would hear references may have. i'd talk them before i listen your bold advice for being fearless bet my money. please don't give names authors books. they qualify. thanks. 3656 weekend e-trip report thatch the wifey being in vancouver for a week left me with choice this past of either online bunting or diverting myself other ways... friends etc. i picked bunting. had truckload offers my inbox. tedious and boring except winning part. am exhausted from making so many grids playing thousands upon hands. started shifts friday evening finished late sunday. hit 8 sites went 8-0 one was 15 free where minimum withdraw 50 luck made it progressions course. small change d 25-b 25 match bx4. two were 50- 75 at bx5. 100- 100 bx6 an unreal two-part dx2 bx2 . 50-50 10 fp 50-60 again only last 70-70 total rounded rake not counting decimals cents' 1 171. investment cost 445 deposits rare neteller fee 460. net 711 us 3 days as canuck amounts to 128 bucks if conversion rate still apllies... double than guy good 'punchclock' job makes before taxes are taken. peak any questions comments welcome. regards p s would be interested hearing players 'marathons'... 3657 so are you saying that she shouldn't have... bezzik ... ever been against counting a woman can change her mind as many times wants... even we men do that. otherwise there won't be progress in any human endeavors. don't feel shy to defend the truth if was cc because did not yet understand or appreciate it and now is for there's nothing wrong. just contrary. shows has improving overall learning of bj. 3659 anyone know info about blast 21 casino rankbeginner hi all does have any prior experience with www.blast21.com its just that i deposited money there and started winning on a decent scale up 800 us last count my credit card credits taken few days to process. apart from the invalid coupon promos page seems fair. if this works out ok am paranoid would recommend it because you're don't mean they're not after you 3662 yeah remember the first amendment baby nt just moi 3663 and life is a damn good cereal as well nt just moi 3664 procyb checks rob mcgarvey i can show you tons of old and new that have taken down from them at my website. it is actually to our advantage get than sent back cards for one reason. being the cc company thinks a sale are paying off not refunded purchase. this will help keep us bonus bandits in business. bit more work involved but free cash always worth little effort. 3665 bml cc 's rob mcgarvey that is why the offered a 50 bonus to every player recently. i've always had luck with this casino and took them up on their offer. presently pounding into gambling oblivion awesome blackjack game. show me post everyone's credit card so i can see if mine there giggle holly jumpin there's donald trump's 3666 good luck on getting paid. took them 6 months to pay me a year ago. nt anon314 3667 paypal cotact thatch thanks q. i have now a new weapon in my arsenal. but... they did not tell me had sweet voice service is excellent too. regards 3668 you wouldn't be laughing scarce ..if you'd seen it. your name address and complete card info would hve been there. as it is i have the list could probably narrow down right now to street apt number. if did play there hope had good sense already cancelled that card. 3669 you seem to be sharp have we met before nt bezzik 3670 freakin' rob mcgarvey you are right i'd be out. i have fraud protection so they tell me and nothing out of the ordinary far. did get entire log or just last month something a massive breach security. every casino that uses starnet should on high alert. 3671 if you have ever played at bml your name address and cc were posted. anon314 stop laughing start freaking. 3672 ug scarce i assume rob mcgarvey is not your real name. the list covers at least last 12 months and probably more. 3673 didn't like them asap paypal wasn't working a couple of weeks ago and it cost me 30 to cash out 70 net 40 after losing heavily have loss even pretty good bonuses. i believe they are rtg which is another cautionary note. would not go back with bonus. 3674 who said it was easy congratulations nt asap 3675 casino on net tip shyshark dose any expert ones have or comment the site how is my chance of wining vs all other online and what ur there sevice because it seem that 1st try it's look as though dealer somehow get better hand then i quite offten... beside don't tell us many deck they shuffle card either. 3677 thanks nt thatch 3678 blast21 thatch in my ohop their terms suck. that is gambling which i am not into. two cent's worth. regards 3679 casino on 'net results double-downer i too found this to be the case. if had a large bet out and was dealt or drew 20 magically dealer would draw 4 5 6 card 21 also grand sum of one blackjack while about six has anyone else felt pain 3680 jehovah withnesses thatch please do not take this as a personal attack... far i know jehovas prohibit giving their own blood to save member of there family them from death. are allowed gamble regards 3681 my experience was very different pablo when i tried to cash out in january not knowing about the 30 check fee their csr sent me an unsolicited email telling and also that they expected have pay pal as a free withdrawal method two weeks. so reversed cash-out sure enough weeks later found could withdraw via pal. received deposit winnings next day through pleased did recent blackjack lovers bonus on valentines won another 130 which is supposed be added feb 21st. book are ok. 3682 all my damn life green baize vampire has anyone else felt this pain yes since i started playing blackjack. your results are bad but not yet conclusive of anything. in fact even if con do rig their software which really doubt judging by the number winners i've heard from there they'd have to it obviously compensate for generous bonus policy. 3683 too much philosophy green baize vampire you must be a rich man. but if really are then why still gambling and taking such risks fear is great instinct when one's great. sound like this safe endeavor should fearless... it appears to me that you're not man pursuing risky endeavors in the hopes of making riches following high risk path. won't look around ask who have already tried so follow what has been others with disastrous results let know how many gamblers can refer made big by gambling... now living good life enough content. bet proportion your advantage. make more money doing than any other strategy. can't hack don't do it. there socially useful things life. 3684 agree green baize vampire i was just clarifying a point of fact. personally think counting is largely waste time for an advantage player in terrestrial or cyberspace casinos. 3685 casino on net paddyboy rules are 4 decks dealer stands soft 17 player may double any first two cards after splitting split only once full u.s. hole card rule draw to aces blackjack tens pays 3-2 the house edge under these is 0.21 . with their comps of 1 per 1000 this brings down .11 when i started con won 100 in a few hours betting 5 go and knew nothing about basic strategy then but know that whether you win or lose good amount small period means nothing. never had problem withdrawals anything.only they dont accept mastercard anymore. if want casinos email them www.thewizarofodds.com where got info above. www.casinoprofit.com show best for bonuses think main thing find out how will be paid it like trying get blood stone some. withdrew 160 from winnersplayground emailed me form which have fax back along my copy passport copies front credit card.they probably referral pope next. shouldnt kind 3686 get your freak on rob mcgarvey thanks. what i have done is told the cc company happened and allowed them to use my card catch these guys for fraud if possible. no wierd charges so far. got issue me a new card....with higher limit it...grin also think that by using paypal you can protect yourself from at legit casinos. heard others been ripped casinos don't like pay with charge back without taking cc. guess pick which method will use. semi risky risk 3687 50 splitz rob mcgarvey i offer players that are interested of the possible referral money on large referrals. there is no sense splitting 20. for and 100 referrals it worth it. much time player has already downloaded casino through someone elses link or with wiped out their chance at getting a bunch 25 drafts. if you thinking about joining under your own account call first. be str8 them normally they don't really care. looking webmasters. many will not penalize being both. can also team up friend refer each other. do one s he does so until have played all 1800 online casinos...grin before download next look to see what webmaster referral. end half back from me....smile 3688 waaaay tooo risky. another anon 2 slow down gv your theory is too if you had a 100k bank are telling me would risk 90 000 on bet where have 1 out of 10 chance losing well can certainly count wiser move . 3689 agree but... caruso ...it wasn't about risk it was optimal br growth. 3690 no that is too far out green baize vampire well you can certainly count me a wiser move risk 1 10 of your bank 000 . maybe not 90 when factor in expenses and host real-world factors which plague kelly but just ridiculous. if are terrified or ror then like i say shouldn't be gambling. 3691 how reliable is on-line gambling harry the net casinos have most of everything in their control. they decide. can stop you if and when want it. may even interfere things not go favor. deny payment win let that far first place. real life rules are known. you're constantly watching what's going on. leave on any indication kosher for whatever reason. we know few casinos. that's a fact live. control all strings basically captive. what it make people accept such odds gamble convenience easy access saving transportation lodging expenses to an edge game itself do some plausible reasons other than taking bonus money or hopes making realistic so based us we're missing just seeking enlightment from one who has seen light. thank you. 3692 let me get some insight from your experience harry how long have you been hacking it profitable has i agree with last observation. life is too short be wasting on bj and message board. do a outside of thank you. 3693 you answered your own question nt caruso 3694 royal plaza bonus asleep at the wheel casino offers a 70 match of initial deposit and only wager 1 times original to be eligible for bonus. ahhh but fine print that i slept through clearly states in order get cheese your cash out must least 2 so 210. now then couldn't find anywhere dis-allowed me from simply depositing more. other words whatever amount brings account up 210 thus being able out. anyone have any idea if this would work or do play pray pay lesson learned 3695 it was too good to be true bobby offers like those at aces gold have considered very carefully because the pros attack it. casino needs enough losing players pay and still make money. is kind of a vegas that early surrender or 2 1 blackjack. you get in quick before game burned out by pros. this many rtg casinos which will all eventually go broke with their generous bonus promotions run almost weekly. while playthroughs are high for they do not come close approaching expected loss on perfect bs bj. we already seen three them down over last couple months. nonetheless i play time regular offers. agree theory espouse regarding value betting correlation can keep any significant percentage your bankroll one online casino--especially has excellent money making ability likely eventually. 3696 it won't work bobby however these offers are still worth a play. once you have met the playthrough requirement should bet large in order to meet of 210 total but do not risk any your own money i.e. if 150 after playing through deposit 20-30 hand until reach or 70. get 80 cut back 10 etc. only thing that take from terms expected value is casino advantage associated with additional play incurred trying threshold. larger betting means will less because greater variation resulting more for and casino. as practical matter win about 50 time lose entire bonus cashing out 70 time. 3697 con is a quality outfit. nt drew 3698 cover stewart hi i am new to internet 21. up 346 at 7 casinos in about 5 weeks of timid play. my question you and others with experience is this--does it help try look like a gambler as haywood discusses or that all out date play requirements being so much higher than when he wrote his book do just the minimum requirement move on does this seem have any correlation speed payment future offers 3699 not into gambling nt thatch 3700 my two cents worth thatch just avoid it.. this comes down to gambling. if you are into gambling fine. not... find sites without those terms. regards 3701 most are thatch reliable in some cases you will have to wait one month or two get your money... it's a waiting game... but well worth it. regards 3702 you're on the right track scarce ....does it help to try look like a gambler as haywood discusses no. ... or is that all out of date with play requirements being so much higher than when he wrote his book yes exactly. do you just minimum requirement and move more less. i might if are lower but around 5x don't bother. in some instances now i'm playing 10x even 15x deals . does this seem have any correlation speed payment future offers think so. not generally anyway. time get miss good ones occassion because real life something gets way. 3703 except safari-casino bill haywood there's a credible report over on winner online that safari is an exception to cryptologic's good reputation. withdrawal of bonus and portion winnings blocked despite adequate play blah just like the common scoundrals other software. 3704 agree with scarce green baize vampire you've answered most of your own questions. they decide. can stop you if and when want it. may even interfere things not go in their favor. deny payment win let that far the first place. true. but stiff on monday whole web will know by tuesday. it is really financial interest to play fair. good research greatly reduces frequency which encounter dishonest operations. we few real life casinos. that's a fact live. true winning online much easier. all have do be compulsive gambler. then win. knowledge basic strategy helps main point chain yourself table maximize value promotions. convenience easy access saving transportation lodging expenses casinos an edge game itself what some plausible reasons other than taking bonus money or hopes making reasons. terms combined risk reward literally hundreds times more rewarding gambling world. includes generally exaggerated probability being stiffed. 3705 incorrect read the t c nt caruso 3706 those t c caruso i could only find one safari thread believe the poster simply fell foul of notorious carry-over rules. have not found these rules posted anywhere on a crypto site assume they are there somewhere but if it wasn't for word-of-mouth i'd be none wiser. memo playing never touch your deposit 3707 would i... caruso ...be correct in assuming the-web-site-that-shall-not-be-named here i don't have the time to play all offers get 3708 long enough green baize vampire how have you been hacking it profitable has i agree with your last observation. life is too short be wasting on bj and message board. do a outside of thank you. depends what mean by . much my time spent relaxing in coffee bars listening composing music literature jogging around the english countryside. very high quality life. gambling which enjoy pays bills. ten years pro for lifestyle consider priceless. 3709 possible microgaming rng bias green baize vampire this is probably just selective-memory syndrome but i have noticed that certain card combinations tend to repeat themselves in close proximity each other whilst using mg software. keep getting k vs as first two cards of a round particular. explanation the does not many states or seeded randomly leading reoccurring. note i'm saying works disadvantage player fact it could be exploited. imagining if any one else has i'd motivated do some statistical tests. 3710 true scarce safari is like a black sheep. i wouldn't be at all surprised by these allegations against them. read the review www.themoneytour.com . he didn't have anything good to say about they don't respond e-mail and credit referral bonus's. usually cryptologic places receive an 8-10 for rating there. received 3. 3711 part of it scarce i also receive too much via e-mail 50-100 per day. most is spam or non-offers but still wade through them. sometimes the offer buried in their text and just don't see it. underestimate potential advantage. 24 hr offers have to be judged quickly with all factors considered such as how long will take play good a place this if decide am going redeposit pending withdrawal etc. 3712 mg-rng betting system rob mcgarvey if there is a way to download my hundreds of hours mg play thru playcheck we could probably come up with something concrete. i have an rng that like use which seems work quite well but as for proof all the money from using it and nothing more. forwarded you copy mr. may while back in september 2001 newsletter. 3713 my take scarce i tend to think of rationalize mg blackjack as a multideck game with poor rules. the stated conditions are single deck s17 d9 nodas split two hands hit on aces. house edge should be 0.11. when things going badly just swear at computer and call bj gd slot machine or similar epithets. your observations have been publicly bandied about for years by others. these reasons many players prefer play video poker something else. but don't really enjoy their game. results good overall rarely any large wins unlike some other softwares. 3714 rtg consensus rob mcgarvey i would like to know of other player's experiences with software sites. the and sites if possible. who is running single deck game have read posts below about 4 as standard. 3716 go to bed queen nt rob mcgarvey 3717 perhaps you could be more cryptic anononek sheesh what exactly are asking 3719 un-cryptologic rob mcgarvey i would like to know of other player's experiences with rtg software sites. the and sites if possible. a. does anyone think their produces a decent game or fails your idea game. b. are there any that have bad reputations compared non-rtg overall. who is running single deck read posts below about 4 as standard. c. stated above. gots it 3720 are we so sure it's a random game kathleen turner overdrive by far my worse long term results at microgaming's bj game. i'm ahead bit but much lower than what ev should be. if sessions microgaming were limited i would chalk it up to flux i've given millions of dollars in action. looking was hardly worth the effort. take into consideration supposed low edge roughly -.15 becomes even more suspicious. funny that scarce has pointed out lack big wins as experienced same thing--many smallish never nice win. had all other reputable software groups. plays like slot machine imo. set hold certain percentage and no matter you do will simply pay piper his cut time after time. pwc's audits--which claim is random--don't exactly give me confidence either. could easily trick pwc wake enron skeptical. know find be suspicious games offered any major suppliers. 3721 here's a review i made from aug scarce real time gaming casino part 1 posted by on 25 august 01 8 23 a.m. this may be of help to newbie players who are thinking risking their money at any casino. it is definitely risk in more ways than one but can profitable if you're disciplined and stomach the swings as software other will take you some wild rides. my comments solely about blackjack. merlin slow-paying disorganized after recent change ownership. when they get act together should good place do pay eventually with free overnight express 2 min's. c note went bust couple months ago. 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them. add heat onluck. windows magic oasis it's unclear how closely these two linked. websites same tony friedman admitted helped set up later began barring almost played according terms 2x think tried disassociate themselves reason. both have experiences avoided hard rate paint brush. f crap people operating perhaps service most reliable moment. account doesn't very place. defintely linked was doubt. inetbet due various reasons similar strip. really point straightened out. palace chance ridiculous wager often 10x suicidal. those all rtg use rigged proof. customer grand banks might site offers. mention being barred given e-mails getting screamed great 75 referral actually gets that.b golden comps roses slow process greatest cheques sent too. expect dizzying ride hellacious streaks 3722 a few questions about online bj... wanaplay21 i'm smart or at least i'd like to think so perfect basic strategy bj player. i have learned hi lo counting and never do very bad rl casinos sometimes win an okay share. haven't yet reached the level of modifying my playing for different counts only use count adjust betting. looking reasons. 1. don't get vegas much but when play seriously. 2. could practice. 3. make money if possible sure you see same way on this one as . with that some comments from which would be eternally grateful answers comments... it seems easiest you'll is bonuses i'll carefully look around find best ones casion's are reputable charge payout fees. there any where can know they shuffle well how many decks their using. number quite commonly known variable what often being stated hope improving your advantage by seem whole point them not telling shuffling comes indeed case keep minimum interference business. thoughts anyone two options... head-up single deck multiplayer multi-deck might detectible points opportunity gain sidenote that... whats pen needed effective in average method probably key too i've seen con most places favorable rules. other opinions greatly appreciated. payment methods. heard doesn't mc anymore does include visa assume also ever heat pb kind gov isn't legality states still up air lets please discuss end us passionate feelings subject. simple comment americans fine. help appreciated folks asked lot really appreciate others who read through here future will too. thanks. 3723 forget about counting online. nt caruso 3724 useful. thanks. nt drew 3725 really forget about counting online asap all microgaming sites are very solid as far the security of you transactions and getting paid. open a paypal account fund it via ach transfer from your checking to ease transactions. have fun. 3727 beginner's questions kind of lengthy sidecount i'm net-casino-ing for the first time. a buy-in 25 i get bonus with requirement 3x play d b 150 total . 1. do just have to keep track amount played in my head don't see it as likely that they would announce okay youve met your quota. you can cash-in now. 2. when double-down does count extra-money if double 2 bet 4 extra money go towards reaching quota same question splits 3. somehow got linked affiliate casino thought was playing. on needed buy 50 35...now am not eligble because accidentally registered other one only gives 25. however poses an interesting situation. since bought mean much more reach done 225 or say playing minimum deposit necessary bonus....meanwhile theyre content more. overall impressions start - began before receiving perhaps smart but said could take 48 hours be credited account and 130 already went through buy-in. lost 6 7 hands down 20 30 dealer kept making hands. hung around single-digits awhile zero-ing out. now sit back hope kick next day two then hopefully hold own at least receive minimize loss. skeptical legitimacy these games still certain degree easily bad streak. read enough successful stories bonus-hustlers decided check landing their sister-casino lesser isn't helping experience any. seems several casinos long downloads games. that's annoying too. maybe wasn't finding flash version sites. some sites are navigate make difficult figur out how sign-up. sure it's novice confusion though i'll pick up bit shop around. 3728 red dog green baize vampire various sites offer these days which has a healthy off-the-top edge. most games shuffle-up after every hand any one know place where they don't 3729 stay tight caruso 1. yes assuming you possess a memory capacity denied to the rest of us. if have pen and paper handy i'd say your in business. 2. yes. 3. d b times 3 means just that things don't happen by accident accidently ended up playing somewhere didn't intend then did something was not smart sat back hoped for miracle tighten or forget it honestly. it's money. 3730 when people stiff you on monday don't know it tuesday. anon314 but if they the whole web will by is not really in their financial interest to play fair. do over course of one day. takes months. january 1st and ask what happening 15th. say your withdrawl being processed. there was a non-existant bank holiday. call 31st. check mail. feb 15th didn't get must have been lost march month cancel check. so go out after cancels april we hadn't heard from awhile assume had gotten right now lying time 4.5 months passed. could this every big winners keeping millions dollars with good bonus terms offer still decent rep because lies. 3731 download or no scarce it seems several casinos have long downloads necessary to play their games. that's kind of annoying too. maybe i just wasn't finding the flash version games on sites. some these sites are interesting navigate and make difficult figur out how sign-up. i'm sure that it's novice confusion though i'll pick up a bit more as shop around. prefer don't like java much but will if all they offer. faster connection patience be rewarded later. start go do something else is problem. damn terms often frustrating experience. does seem were designed by five-year-olds. 3732 thanks for the breakdown scarce rob mcgarvey that is what i was looking for. have played grand banks and made quite a bit of money. will do windows over shortly. tanx 3733 true however don't tolerate procrastination green baize vampire fair point-but usually my vamp intuition starts tingling pretty early on. i'm not inclined to give them the benefit of doubt. in above example when twenty days have passed maybe less i will post that organization is a slow-pay outfit be avoided. an industry lacking effective regulation they are guilty until proven innocent. plenty outfits stanley lasseters global player better mg's just allow this sort situation occur so see no need put up with dog-ate-my-homework-miss bullshit for months or even weeks. hell. 3735 net casinos...is counting possible nt doc 3736 tips bj me for keeping track of bets i'd go down to the local office supply store and pick up a hand tally about 9. they usually have 4 digit display you just push button increment it by one. real handy hold in opposite mouse click once each bet placed. then multiply this number your amount net action. also flat minimum use proper basic strategy game always. when say that lost initial deposit almost immediately sounds like were not betting minimum. is important because want place as many possible so will end close expected return game. if has -.5 player edge with 200 action at 1 per should 198 give or take 20 vary more 50 would be very rare. i'll leave standard deviation stuff math pros . now same except 25 could easily but likely 100 more. 3737 yes but don't bother rob mcgarvey counting is possible normally only used for the play of some hands not betting purposes. advantage comes from bonus advanced bs departure plays or increasing bet size. 3738 bet minimum sidecount i thought this might come up after posted. yes did the 2 per hand and played perfect bs. only exception came when accidentally clicked on wrong button wound standing a hard total of 7. dealer got 21 as usual. must have lost roughly 3 every 4 bets at least. simply my butt kicked. but it's difficult to tell if is fix or would be interesting see what percentage times made his 5 6 showing. should 40 was clearly not case. know pretty impressive go through 50 in 130 maybe 140 most keeping count head happened. for few timely bj's been knocked out even earlier. went about wins losses double-downs. splits 6's against learn that das permitted. two 8's 21. won with couple 21's split aces. casino allowed doubling 9 10 11 no soft das. there also hole card rule. you double an then lose whole thing. looks like lesson learned first net experience rookie mistakes turned it into gambling instead bonus-hustling. hopefully 25 credit will issued soon can hold steady before cashing out. still think may able cash 150 played. regulations page says something effect please note player play triple amount initial deposit bonus receive bonus. thus least they actually list their own rules chance some certainly wouldn't hurt try. how landed other - box options 1. free download here. 2. flash version from xx. just clicking provided by group wanted. link sister casino. don't too deceptive. mis-read it. regardless didn't until bought casino's required 25. fact kept trying put member number 1st web-page claim telling me valid acct number. going awhile realizing thanks thoughts hand-counter downloads. prefer games offered. tried different thing somehow get screwed-up very end. 3739 bet minimum bj me wow. 130 in action at 2 flat for a 50 loss. that's pretty bad. could you please share with us the name of casino that this happened i would like to check them out and possibly avoid playing there . thanks. 3740 re name sidecount i suppose of casino wouldnt hurt since they have my . it was flash-vegas. the thought joining aceshigh but accidentally diverted myself to flashvegas with their no download game. 3741 am i the only one who has trouble with downloads sidecount have tried downloading from carribean gold and lucky nugget been unsuccessful on both. problems appear to be different. carriben says something like fault occured. please verify legitimacy of.... stops at 85 of installation some message about an error...abort abort feel i'm in a lost space episode or . know not that computer literate but as best can tell follow download instructions properly. questions - 1. anyone else occassional probs their maybe should start really worrying my even though it works fine all other aspects 2. if successfully install oddson play casino does mean automatically set any without having again newbie this so apologize for ignorance. thoughts would helpful appreciated. 3742 follow-up sidecount here is the message i get from both carribean gold and silverdollar when trying to install - anyone else ever this contents of file cannot be unpacked. executable you are attempting run has been currupted. please obtain another copy fie verify its integrity try again 3743 huh confused various sites offer red dog these days which has a healthy off-the-top edge. it does that's news to me wiz lists the house edge from 2 3 depending on number decks in use. this appears under what conditions 3744 elaboration please asleep at the wheel what exactly was he incorrect about i've read terms and conditions a few times now least all of them i can find though seem to more each time re-read them. still haven't found anywhere it says can't simply deposit easily see how they'd have problem with that. no idea this is going end up actually deposited 75 played bit got bonus next day bet high trying reach their requirements. didn't get there asked for cash-out 74. are you saying should expect problems receiving it's point where don't really give shit if they want me fine put 74 back in account i'll fire 'em twice. but would like know rules such future reference. 3745 no your not the only one dongambler one. last two microgaming casinos i have tried to download get a corrupt file when try install. they told me it was my anti virus so turned off downloaded and got very same thing. had sign up for flash version at both since can't either without getting message during installation. 3746 house edge green baize vampire i meant for the house. however can be turned in your favour it counted under right circumstances and casinos might just have overlooked that possibility. 3747 you won't receive it. caruso here are their t c - to cash in your original purchase and bonus must have account at least the amount purchased plus double bonus. example 70 initial cash-in will only be possible for winnings of 210. minimum required 140 210 65 195 60 180 55 165 50 150 45 135 40 120 35 105 30 90 25 75 20 if a is requested less than all this held casino account. we apologize any inconvenience condition may cause but necessary due past abuse. these rotten deals avoid. 3748 orbital green baize vampire any one experienced strange results at i put down 100 qualifying for the 110 bonus and lost 125 in bets whilst betting 2 a time hey i'm paranoid software is new to me which somewhat unusual. probably this just neg flux but unfamiliar makes uneasy. it looks great btw eye-candy suckers. 3750 hooks caruso i had a similar experience at who use the same software design should add that first outing was good second non-descript this third one pretty horrendous. of those unrecognizable mg blackjack games. my cigar goes to golden reef however although once reconciled substantial loss trapped into wagering requirement it did have some entertainmaent value. comedy from tragedy kind thing. stick with vp if were you. bullshit is old news. 3752 one source of problems setu2 many the casinos do not work with windows me. i'm pretty sure that microgaming sites not. able to download on my laptop which has me installed but am install. however these install fine 98 system. 3753 blackjack vs vp green baize vampire hmmm why do you say play what puts me off is the huge variance. lack of variance a big deal one main reasons to online. i've not devoted great study but i can't really see how it could be that mathematically superior for fufilling bonus wagering requirements. 3754 it's not scarce the thing with vp is when you win more than bj. hit a few 4oaks or royal and you're laughing. but knew this anyway. 3755 reply caruso 1.25 minimum compared to 2 has some offsetting value in terms of variance. dollar i can't say as i've suffered more painful swings than at the blackjack table. max hands played a session date c. 4000. microgaming stinks video poker job 6 9 doesn't - although damn sight former. don't ask me why one game should be less putrescent another. vp just feels genuine plus fact that hit royal other day which lead believe is 100 on level again know players all crap beats hell out flat betting any week it's not about entertainment but then i'm human. get bored. btw your point lack variance suggests you've broken duck with rtg yet 3756 this isn't true at all scarce i've downloaded onto machines runnning windows 95 98 me and xp so far. the only problems encountered was with win95 on an older pentium 166mhz machine. i have had recent some newer microgaming sites too but just them again they worked fine. 3758 club regal stewart anyone have any experience with this casino thanks in advance 3759 see my post below about rtg scarce club regal is part of the vegas strip group casinos. you might have to wait months before receiving your winnings. 3760 different than many of the offers bobby i see why you said read t c. was relying upon info he posted. most casinos allow to cash out your deposit but not bonus once reach play through. just played spin palace a mg casino with 75 for that allows after playthrough 750 or if total is greater 150. these are rules at requiring profit beyond and they very much playable. 3761 i've never had a problem with windows me nt drew 3762 rtg part 2 review revised scarce there seems to be a need for this type of information so i'll repost what i wrote last august. the most agree with it but added some comments and clarifications. also add 3 newer rtg's which have opened since. seem very good while others are avoided. real time gaming casino posted by on 25 august 01 11 29 a.m. in response 1 ebets excellent from support generous intro offers. they recently upped their play requirements can as much 8x 8x. you might get anywhere 50 -125 matching bonus your first offer. was paid quickly min's would at place without one few sites i'd do that. relatively new. caveat big is that don't accept wagers us. change now online smallish offer only min's. not experience here quickly. b more offers lately. places solidly financed. raise quicksilver my least favourite bacause never won sent deposit back via cheque took 6 weeks. seemingly disorganized. cards were always bad used rtg. 5 f black widow place. payment quick support. 3x 3x. one. affiliated grand banks. sharky's cyberbetz lucky dragon group related small 10 or 15 over 1000 infrequent. believe. numerous complaints all web. bother. out business now. winner's playground again three times tried know how pay. seemed ok. usually bad. c gotten fairly minimums netclub low wager requirements. web about non-paying locked acounts poor etc. pay side. own has been ok haven't played reports just too almost accounts worst site. harsh them. lots careful. worldplay hearsay put money. had nerve. large unrated after posting oh slow it. went belly-up january. sci fi see above worldplay. odd thing give smaller bonus's blackjack than video poker other games. similar merlin's well-intentioned run hopeless incompetents. shared users having nervous breakdown hunters. take chances. forget which. twin aces new yet. process things perhaps will change. 100 100. affilated vegasusa vegas online. paying. d enterprises blue sea no idea. think pointless. net negative. offered december shut down. 3763 i always listen to you... green baize vampire ...but apply quality control. said this ages ago at cccafe when started out not for long that mg bj sucks. u guys going believe it but in all my life gut intuition has helped me alot. i'm dismissing the possibility there is something weird on with mg's blackjack game. possible more of a slot machine than game and also rng may be systematically biased some way. however six jesus years have been posting here i've come across hundreds people who believed similar kinds non-random effects basis experience instinct most were lunch. its like they are seeing faces clouds putting down government conspiracy rather random metereological phenomena. you need prove before start making decisions based belief. if hypothesis do statistical test find one way or other. lots data your play logs already just check them. 3764 casino on net paddyboy if you play 1 bets at con they pay 2 for a natural.this gives the player an advantage of .although this rate it would take few years to make profit.but mathematically its possible 3766 excellent information. thank you. nt minnesota fats 3767 video poker rat hey im looking for a strategy chart videopoker now blackjack we have www.blackjackinfo.com anyt site like this but thanks 3768 not true drew i just looked into this... balance was 189. made a 1 bet got blackjack and now my stands at 190.50. believe you were confused by the software... on winning 2 chip appears next to but only get correct 1.50 payoff. - -drew 3769 why only refunds to paypal no payment of profit by nt drew 3770 link caruso 3771 money-laundering regs apparently... nt green baize vampire 3772 three other rtg casinos bobby virtual casino located at http www.casinosupportcenter.com is another i just recently played. not paid yet. ruby dragon played but no pay silver sands that used to be exclusive south africa. yet all of the above have 100 for offers with moderate playthrough less than 2k . 3773 always wondered about this one. several lately don't know much how internet casino's do it as i've only recently ventured into their domain. but i that some poker sites refuse to send profits by anything other than check. while will gladly a paypal account so even if no deposit was made. anyone why 3774 thank you nt rat 3775 true poker sends all payments by paypal i think. nt drew 3776 clarification caruso cards were always bad but you can get used to this with rtg. do still maintain and is it worth expanding on 3777 random bj jondo pwc's audits--which claim the game is random--don't exactly give me confidence either. microgaming could easily trick pwc and in wake of enron i'm even more skeptical. slot machines are too. 3778 they'll send profits... several lately ...to paypal if your deposits are made through paypal. as will ultimate bet and pokerstars. there may be a limit to how much but so it's more than 1 000. don't know any of those profits after cc deposit. cccpoker european site well regardless whether or not deposit came from in fact i even think they take withdrawals there. some on the other hand only back with coming by check. i've always wondered why this is do things that others won't when it comes profits. i'm also recently wondering takes net casino's long deliver cash-ins amount deposited. poker sites at most 48 hours while been waiting for 7 days now monies my first 3 casino ventures. all played 15 20 them out email confirmations almost immediately. week still received absolutely nothing sites. likely quite normal extra time their lack communication kinda makes me wonder... 3779 and another thing... green baize vampire did you ever learn correct vp strategy 3780 not really scarce it was said a bit tongue-in-cheek. the reputation of software precedes itself. i've found few places to be particularly odious right out gate but this may coincidence. quicksilver one them. 3781 this isn't a criticism... green baize vampire because i really appreciate the information but why do you continue to play with such dodgy operation given your experience just curious. btw think report is worth referral if want bother sending me code. 3783 extreme and ruby thatch i played at won but they keep stalling me. support guys sound like hoodlums. time will tell. rubydragon was supposed to accept neteller the no phone told me that would have deposit with through on their behalf so read affiliation... ruby's got decent terms feel can breeze - way play there until get paid from extreme. regards 3784 quicksilver experience thatch i played and won 230 change. come time to withdraw was told that they do not return winnings neteller... only process minimum 250 withdrawals sent courier for free... plunged right in got lucky withdrew 253 it quickly with no fees. made me gamble. recommend them. regards 3785 club regal thatch pays ok. but you have to wait close two months. same 'family' as eworld mardi-gras cleopatras and americasonline. played them all lost my shorts at went imaginative a tad spanked other 3. regards p.s. just got 'diploma' from late last week. i had before x-mas . no fees for 1rst time withdraw 5. 3786 extreme heat drew casino refunded my deposit in relatively short order. i did not make a profit from this casino. and paid profits over 100 via paypal about 10 days. just experiences. - -drew 3787 info sharing among microgaming sites mr deviant does share with their casinos assuming they are not owned by smae group if so should one 'space out' play of various 3788 thanks nt thatch 3789 qs part 2 thatch of course i had to send them back the dreaded 'fax-back'. cool by me if dough comes... regards 3790 you've got me there caruso if rtg's reputation preceeds itself i take this as a serious non-recommendation - but you're saying implying that you consider the software to be 100 on level. random non may not issue for playable unplayable is are only so many hundreds of dollars which can flush down toilet before ok game now un-playable recent experiences at vegas usa example. these casinos offering promos with an expectation 700 ie. 0.66 house edge 42 000 wagering requirement course genuinely fluctuations wipe out any given player overall deal such casino-killer. there's no catch quite appreciate debacle don't want get into putting it in it's vaguest terms rtg or 3791 microgaming- orbital bj really sucks -- avoid at all cost starnblues out of 3000 hands i can't believe the result could be this lose 1801 60.03 win 943 31.43 push 256 8.53 everyone know when playing strictly with basic strategy should close to even but why every time draw bust dealer draws always 21 or comes successive high cards low never 5 6 gets multiple blackjacks 20s 10 being up card get pushes me etc... these sh t goiug on and repeatedly so played small bets a progressive system still falled from 800 300 mad yes sample size is not convincing sorry feel alright it's far acceptable. i've heard people talking about mg's stinking now got it. they started pull those in once saw someone play pretty well besides other games maybe biased too since can do don't other's exact experiences am going take this. been orbital's mg casinos' as 3792 my orbital experience... drew ... was positive. 2.25 to be exact. but sample even smaller than yours. - -drew 3793 my experience... green baize vampire is given in a thread below. although i lost money you have to remember sample bias ie we were more likely post here because lot. that several people had positive experiences it seems me starnblues just hit the neg flux-nonetheless won't be rushing back hurry. 3794 royal plaza bonus revisited ...that'll teach em asleep at the keyboard caruso was correct as usual. refused to allow me cash-in my original deposit of 75 they put it back into account and forced either reach 225 or go bust. plan simply twice fire entire 'em playing bj. but since i've played hundreds bj hands other casino's all weekend i decided play vp instead. being quite far from a perfect player only game i'd ever even seen strategy for deuces wild. fourth hand caught single deuce first one kept drew 4 ....3 which were deuces. so instead cashing-in i'll be cashing in 1080. thank them forcing 3795 orbital experience rob mcgarvey i took them for around 1100 over the time period was playing after start up bonuses were offered. that dried out their offers. lots of scary streaks but using progressions and a nice fat buffer it easy pickins. 3796 re starnblues i don't know what's going on with them. maybe they are really dried so even much repute start to do these sh t. however my experience other mg casino bj were not good also e.g. riverbelle can't convince me btw anyone has advice where play online than paypal cash in allowed would be a bonus thanks 3797 using progressions nt caruso 3798 several reasons scarce the first is of course . rtg casinos routinely offer large bonus's more so than any other major brand software if you can consider a secondly while i've expressed lot reservations especically with certain never been completely ripped off. i have had to wait upwards 5 months get paid from some them vegas strip online casino merlin's name few but my deposit was returned within weeks. also do like software. play very fast and accurate. at times it's hard keep track same time which probably their intention. nevertheless welcome feature compared such as microgaming. there are places wouldn't magic oasis winit or virtual basically these people scum you're asking for trouble. played all still open think besides one two new places. haven't kept tally must million hands blackjack found be fair overall. player will encounter wild streaks find himself gnashing his teeth things go both ways. trust me. 3799 yes rob mcgarvey playing bj against a rng makes it pretty simple to win using pro-gos. i won an online tournament last night and go on the finals for shot at 1000us prize because ended up with more coin than all other players my table. switch between three different 3800 i agree completely bobby have made at close to 50 of my money off rtg casinos. they are a hassle but do pay eventually. more repeat offers for larger amounts than any other don't know how stay in business. think that the high playthrough requirements protect them. had huge swings both directions found game be fair after many hundreds thousands hands. can play 12-13 hands per minute on their fast software. love and hate because slow rtg. 3801 riverbelle joe bj i had good luck i.e. variance at riverbelle. betting minimum 2 was up 7.8 after about 1000 in action. played straight basic strategy and pleasantly surprised when many of my hard 15 16 hands drew to a 20 or 21. you have be sure play proper though. check www.blackjackinfo.com for this note that it is not single deck game as obvious recieved two identical cards. couldn't find where stated how uses but i've assumed 6 . 3802 thanx green baize vampire i can see am not as bloodless and professional about this game you two chaps... 3803 isn't riverbelle mg do some sites use multiple decks nt drew 3804 yes bob fisher the single hand blackjack is usually deck but multi-hand multi as well. 3805 oh yeah i knew that... forgot about multi-hand nt drew 3806 rtg part 3-new places scarce this is my third installment in series and contains some information about newer rtg's. i've left out any ratings because experience limited or cases non-existent. i'll update at a later time add more details but for now here are the i'm aware of which have begun using software past six months. silver sands - south african casino recently began accepting deposits us rather than s.a. rands. affiliated with powerbet way. blast21 various new player offers existing players seem to pop up every week. numerous complaints place. gamblers lobby seemingly good one. their sign-up offer 150 1950. cash bet no here. signup 100 1200. portofino not likely worth trying. they require an 8x playthrough player's deposit before bonus awarded . hampton's stupid ug site. ruby dragon see previous review extreme whom they're with. standard 1000 where must keep remainder goes back into his account. onluck golden comps five roses. if you've played both these other two you're allowed play onluck. 1800 offer. british isles be business were open approximately from 12 01 02 02. fabulous vegas either. 15-20 last certainly least... winit group all use same downloadable virtual you might also get there by trying u1 party city truly vile. 3807 how often do you lost d b before meeting betting requirement sidecount nice to read of some the success stories on here. i'm still waiting for mine. 0-for-2 thus far minimum 1 or 2 bj. casino - actually haven't will likely take a minus my 75 50 deposit plus 25 bonus whole load yet...down 18 and have play cash-out requirement. 100 within 700 bet. about bet was vp 20...rest bj . had 300 go reach 5x this could easily be normal fluctuation...but question is does losing wad happen somehow also seems jive with luck at regular casinos where i keep big-bet double-downs big-plus counts so maybe it's just me. 3808 british isles cash my bet caruso i don't think bi are out of business - the casino is operative web site up they were down for 4 or 5 days a couple weeks ago technical difficulties some kind seemingly sorted. you may know something don't. paid fast deposit and winnings back to neteller. 3809 you're right scarce british isles are online. that was a temporary thing. with rtg nothing really surprises me anymore but i did think it odd when checked them working. question cash my bet require you to fax in your information rather than scan and e-mail 3810 yes they did caruso something about virus concerns. i'd recommend both these good support fast deposit returns and winnings sent particularly cash my bet. bi also offers an unusually blackjack game for rtg. personally say the same blast21 not quite as ie email only but otherwise fine. i didn't bother with ill-fated valentine promotion which was always going to be unsustainable so avoid any gripe there remain a satisfied customer. arrived before withdrawal actually even approved is first. thanks reviews. 3811 it does happen quite often to me. nt power123 3812 as long i'm not the only 1. have to find some 1x-3x requirments nt sidecount 3813 once asap out of 31 deals to date have had a loss in 4 them. you may be overbetting or not using correct strategy low house advantage games both. 3814 not that often but bobby when it does happen at least you don't have to play the full playthrough saving yourself a small amount of expected value. on low roller bonuses 75 or less i always bet 10 per hand so as appear be bonus abuser. many times will lose entire d b more win and sometimes big. 3815 net casinos true beg what is the top sites are they legit thanks 3816 yes martidani i just talked to proc cyber and they told me all my microgaming accounts are linked said wow you have been playing at alot of casions 3817 suggestion drew for loads of quality info set your prefs to display messages the last 99 months and start reading - if you have more specific questions there are some great people on these boards that will help like they've helped me. provide information what goals in playing online best bonuses software fastest payouts highest ev it be easier with a list sites suit needs. -drew 3818 10 per hand sidecount i was always told to bet the minimum usually either 1 or 2 ....have not heard of this kind cover throw them off bonus-hustler scent. seems like you are putting yourself at a greater risk losing whole wad but say have had success and can't that any in my early stages online casino play... also - regarding your statement having go through play-through... does mean if i'm 100d for 100b site can cash out fall total 50 regardless whether meet 3x 5x requirement what about cashing 90 before meeting which probably would do because be an obvious giveaway since it's profit...it should just right back pay-pal best cash-out full amount remaining credits. sorry these beginner's questions...i'm still learning tricks trade... input helpful...thanks... 3819 goals true beg thanks so sorry . my are first money or course not to lose it too make would be good 2nd and the practice more can count cards at home play basic games onlineand casinos. need betting correctly expecially those personal growth goals. now as easy ascess software bonuses nice a honest company carol 3820 quality info you meant quantity nt offline 3821 online single 0 roulette where you dont have to bet every spin jr i found some casino can play with small stakes. even 5c 10c or 25c bets. like test my system on these as it is less boring a little money involved. inside numbers after gathering data for awhile. usually red black at the same time but eats into profit pretty much. would find honest one don't wheel. anyone know of any also if palace empire has good reputation. thanks 3822 casino on net oldcootfromva if you bother to read the game descriptions in their faq section it gives all necessary info including of decks 4 . what does not mention is fact that shoe reshuffled before each hand making counting impossible but basic strategy stronger than with a real shoe. i have found be very beatable intelligent money management. had losing session months. 3823 looking for a recommendation nick just to play some blackjack online. at gambler's lobby black widow grand banks or silver dollar. would appreciate on one of these another. the least requirement wagering d b before being able withdraw. deposit slightly over 100 with decent bonus. also reliable payouts. will be funding thru either firepay paypal. thanks in advance.. 3824 grand banks may be the pick of those mentioned. nt asap 3825 answer bobby no you have to play the whole amount unless lose entire deposit and bonus. this is ok. your overally wins will far exceed rare losses. also i never been called a bonus abuser by any casino lot of rtg. there are exceptions where do not risk own money meet through. most crytologic monthly bonuses allow cashout prior meeting through requirements i.e. see sands intercasino bet 25 per hand at these places software slow compared rtg its better let them 10 win or so every now again hit for big but much if choose anything. 3826 update bobby i got paid by silver sands fed ex. it took about 10 days from date of cashout which is very good rtg fedex payout standards. no charge for the fedex. 3827 casino gets a return of credit card vig anon615 when they refund your original purchase back to paypal. 3828 online casinos fixed pistol pete i would think that these casino's are in the cards electronic they can basically manufacture any outcome desired. count system be totally useless environment. mean common sense tells me if while privacy of my own home play blackjack using including having charts front and maybe 2 friends sitting around computer each with a mission to track one aspect game increase players odds 10 fold. how casino compensate by e-game set get lucky for dealer at just right times. don't playing straight up but am wrong. does anyone out here earn living strictly 3829 not a living but nice second income pablo i bought bill haywood's book in march 2000 and have been averaging over 5 000 per month steadily since then. play 5-15 bj an average of 2 hours day just enough to collect the bonuses. it is still possible do this even though playing requirements cash out bonuses keep getting worse. be successful you must maintain current blacklist casinos who either won't pay or use cheating software. also from your post appears that are aware almost all internet shuffle deck s after every hand making counting impossible. 3830 how about this pistol pete why a blacklist when i could just deal with one good legit online casino 3831 how we get the money... drew you can't make money dealing with just one casino. as pablo pointed out counting is impossible at most online casinos because cards are shuffled after every hand. in bonuses . those nice little offers that put there to entice new players. deposit a certain amount gamble and we'll give free. internet advantage players take bonus meet minimum requirements move on another very rare exception you're going be playing disadvantage when gambling line. but consider this... if an casino will 100 exchange for wagering 1 200 whats expected ev figuring -0.5 game expect lose 6 leaving 94 profit your efforts. i wouldn't even this good offer. hope clears up misconceptions. - -drew 3832 pointless scarce the only real money in this is playing bonus's and for that you need to play a wide variety of places. some places will ever offer signup bonus. those you'll probably there once. other may make offers every few months. have weekly offers. all three types be able daily which should your goal. 3833 trying to find a biased wheel online nt drew 3834 well pistol pete would you have a list of the 3 or 4 i need to associate myself with do this 3835 try this... drew can't remember who but someone provided me with this link http www.winneronline.com software i'd suggest you start the microgaming sites. they're almost always reliable and some offer good bonuses. be sure read terms of bonus offers well. there will a minimum buy-in requirement play-through requirement. sites require to cashout entire do not. since you're new take time shop around find best deals before dive right in. once more experienced can playing less desireable yet still profitable if you'd like hear specific opinions given site thread on site. i frequently post subjects such as what think casino xyz responses are usually quite informative. comfortable 1000 deposit also recommend taking full advantage net's welcome offer. - -drew 3836 also drew don't think of this in terms 3 or 4 casinos. per week assuming you have the time. - -drew 3837 no law of the 3rd nt jr 3838 i did scarce think microgaming is a good place to start. lots of casino's with smallish offers. places get your feet wet. 3839 bonus's true beg ok i never played a online casinos either . so these are usually after you play lets say 1 200 turn over once hit thier point they give bonus then collect and pull your money go on to the next whats average deposit thanks carol 3840 deposits thatch i recommend that you go for the match-up bonuses. they are best values usually... like 25- 25 50- 50 75- 75 100- 100 150- 150. some casinos even offer better than bonuses watch out fine print terms and requ.'s. at first try to hit d b x5 or lower preferably. sticking basic strategy can't see why should not win least 4 of 5 if dealer is 'sapping' do lose your cool as walking away with 3 bonus a loss but losing all. play low flat bets table's min. bet. vary except splits double-downs. keep track wagers total meet then little extra be on safe side. call their support line confirm have met requirements cash-in. it very lucrative 'hobby'. luck. regards p.s. always read print... places require in order cash-in deposit double balance - avoid unless want gamble... also joints nullify blackjack qualifying requirements... 3841 you have legitimate concerns bs just ask yourself if were not successful in making money real casinos would be able to make it on-line yes why life know the odds what's happening time and it's while you're observing it. your presence involves all senses may leave things change or are caused by casino dealer. but their control almost completely. fact that one is participating gambling implicit agreement of really knowing its ramifications any changes subsequent can initiated casino. imo acceptance partipation without having such proper yielding controls them. buyer beware. 3842 you are doing quite well pablo bobby i don't spend as much time do but think could make 5k per month on an ongoing basis even if spent 60 hours about 20-30 . get a lot of repeat offers from casinos other than real gaming am constantly signing up for new that cannot go forever. have been this year. see how can kind money. please respond to the approximate percentage is vs. signups. thanks bobby. 3843 not pablo but.. scarce to make that kind of money you need a play lot places b devote hours this activity and c larger deposits. initial sign-up offers 50- 100 will take far. for most new online players the thought depositing 1000 5000 or more single offer is really appealing. i wish had used figure. it's rather misleading. player who knowledgeable undercapitalized approach anything near that. if you've been doing while you'll learn all tricks get stung far less often. 3844 riverbelle paddyboy has anyone found the blackjack game at to be extremely slow by time i play through conditions 115 will worth nothing.anyone know how it could speeded up 3845 ah yes drew i should've guessed. you are always most helpful scarce. in case haven't said it before thanks for all the advice. - -drew 3846 yep... drew the wiz has an explanation of how to speed up microgaming bj. rather than repost it here i'll refer you his site... http www.thewizardofodds.com game cardspeed.html - -drew 3847 i'm naive drew i admit to having very little mathematical understanding of how this hobby ours works. can't say that recall ever hearing the law 3rd. might you be able enlighten me - -drew 3848 that didnt work for me rat i think only works with the older ver cuz cant find this ini file anywhere. any way of speeding up latter my is 3.2.0.1 3849 us bank rat how if possible do i open an account with a from europe using my adress over here can in the any suggestions on what kind of to try with. site that have good up date information about casino groups lots casinos listed themoneytour isn t big enugh thanks 3852 reply drew jr basicly it states that 2 3 of the numbers in group will repeat and other 1 not show up. so if you track wheel for a while you'll know which are repeating hitting. 3853 blacklist sources stewart what do you recommend for maintaining your thanks in advance 3854 i know but bobby think making 5k per month for almost two years straight on a single id is pretty much impossible. maybe pablo utilizes id's of friends and kicks back profits btw do play the max bonus allowed offers play. capitalization not problem--finding more problem. 3855 quite possible scarce ..but not likely if you're doing all the research on your own. that just wastes too much time and you'll never see offers available or even be able to distinguish between good bad ugly. again you need very well organized play a lot well-capitalized. everything know can found this board willing look. 3856 blacklist resource joe bj go to www.gamemasteronline.com click on gambling resources and then the for starters. 3857 thanxs true beg carol 3858 maybe this caruso the ever-helpful scarce gave me following a while back it worked - but caused software to auto disconnect every three hands. blackjack1 sound 0 ambientsound 2 advsound startupdialog 1 backgroundmidi netcompensate setspeed coin 1000 3859 did not receive my casino winnings ismail vefa karakoc dear sir madam nearly 3 months ago unfortunately i played in 7 sultans casino.i purchased 550 usd and win 304 usd.the transfered all purchases from credit card acc 2 days by your company but they send yet.i showed them a lot of ways to get refused pay say any reason.this is very bad for this casino.also pushes into position.please tell me what can do subject or where complain casino.i'll be much appreciated if informed. best regards note have doc.they emailed bank doc.that shows transfers acc.in their accept that money acc.but pay. 3861 one sitting or few sittings true beg is it better to play untill you reach the requirements at over a period of time carol 3862 whats the name of bill haywood's book nt true beg 3863 sitting s thatch that's up to yourself. i personally think that it does not make a difference and do in one shot... unless get interrupted... then go back my grid pad see exactly where was at for the requirements. some players suggest it's best let balance sit few days play hands extra before cashing 'cover'. don't bother withdraw right away without problems. regards 3867 beatwebcasinos.com nt scott free 3870 riverbelle paddyboy i cant find that file either are all microgaming casinos like this captain cooks is even worse 3871 so how is that different from a biased wheel nt drew 3872 youbet.com player anybody here have any experiences with i'm thinking of giving them some business. thanks in advance. 3873 cc declines at rtg casinos bobby anyone else having problems today i had three separate formerly working cc's get declined grand banks and casino extreme. called my company they said showed no transaction. any one know what is going on bobby. 3874 casino on net dustin i too have found to be very good. they always sent my cash outs paypal in a timely manner. might just lucky streak but with basic strategy and money management am up 300. 3875 which cards scarce i'm hearing that nextcard bank of america and mbna have all been rejecting lately. 3876 that's horse racing is it not scarce try the games bj page. 3877 forgot. thanks. nt player 3878 question for railbird and others about mult. accounts bobby hello. posted a great how to post multiple he she mentioned something easy it is get names on your credit card account legally without having use friends' names. so i'm wondering if anyone knows go doing this. at the very least i need know cash checks in other legally. also it'd be nice cards thanks. 3879 i really hate posts like this one scarce first off your facts are wrong. railbird posted about using multiple proxies. he wasn't talking credit card fraud. there's no need to resort shit. btw i'd be surprised if post lasts day as it breaches of the guidelines at bj21 discussing illegal methods advantage play. 3880 no intention of anything illegal. reread post. bobby here is the clip railbird's post i was talking about do not involve other people's credit cards. use your own cards and just have additional issued in several names. this legal. currently over 20 pseudonames. notice that railbird discussed more than setting up proxy computer accounts. he says there's a legal method having multiple that's all wondering about. also mentioned looking for fully ways doing these things. example could envision adding name to my checking account legally. 3882 out of order pal caruso this is totally in breach any online casino's rules they provide the software and set those if you're caught you'll get yourself blacklisted quicker than a chargebacker sooner better. it's scum like you that f k everything up for 95 legit players their are classless jerk but can expect few back-slaps from other jerks there desperate to prove pathetic manhood. stick mugging old ladies. 3883 enough casinos you don't need multi-id rob mcgarvey just out of trust once i asked a family member if could use their cc get address etc to double up on casino with. told them that would split the bonus with but they passed and me keep whole thing. fact is never bothered simply because there are too many good spots kill off. will always be ways scam these places it not necessary. some people like think themselves as artists go extra mile prove everyone how only beat system also down right ripped play fair. you'll feel better about yourself in morning....grin 3884 so nobody here..... double standard detector has ever used false ids names multiple identities when gambling in land based casinos this high horse is of many hands that it must surely be fatal to fall off it. cool let he who without sin and all that. dsd. 3886 next card and citibank bobby do you know of any that are working right now 3887 you could try one of these scarce capitalone chase and firstusa. i don't have any experience with them but haven't heard bad things about from others i.e. cash advance fees paypal or firepay rejections etc. . 3888 drew reply jr the law of 3rd.is a that never changes. biased wheel is very rare these days in vegas anyway although there may be dealer bias. out balance and certain section gets repeats more than average. 3889 online casinos rated_lqqk jr is there a site that rates for honesty payoffs fairness etc one not motivated by compensation from the do you thing they just buy their software vendors and everything honest in regards to games or think manipulate so wont win i would really like know answer this if anyone knows. thank 3890 captain cooks new player anyone know anything about bj i've just been through a horrible run there--i'm not sure if it is statistically significant but was bloody. any comments 3891 cpt. cook rob mcgarvey always done well there. typical microgaming joint. one of my first hits. 3892 weird allslots expierience kolophonium unlike some posters around here i haven't ever been too suspicious of mg sites until now that is... tried out a couple days ago to take advantage their nice 20 50 bonus offer. here's what happened. hit bad streak and lost the deposit pretty quickly. next day came back was ready go. going just run but after hours using cave-man progression increase bet when winning flat-bet losing previous high-point up 190.00. play seemed random enough having good time. then all sudden 100 flat betting 2 per hand. dealer started getting really lucky 21's would bust every single time on 12 vs. 10 alost always drew etc. however if decided my sheer desperation start bj's or great double downs. it's like somebody at noticed making mint money mostly through flat-betting wanted encourage me more. don't normally moan groan about this kind thing becuase know most lose due standard fluctuations game move on. circumstances one make little suspicious. anybody got any thoughts 3893 same thing happend to me. rat i could guess the outcome before it happend. if got 18 dealer 19 had 20 or 21 and so on... never feelt like that at rtg...yet... 3894 captain crooks paddyboy i am having a bad run at the moment.it was ok when purchased 100 and got bonus.never 15 sign-up though.i kept holding it around 200.got to 205 then bet 5 10 20 240.well since have gone rapidly downhill only betting 2 now 120 in short space of time paycheck option is not working they wont tell me how much played through.so this rate will probably lose whole lot. but dont mind know get money back somewhere else anyone had any luck roxy palace do sticky bonus 3895 i've just walked the plank nt paddyboy 3896 no mgs sticky keep your own records nt caruso 3897 bonuses paddyboy this is from roxypalace.is a sticky bonus when cashing-in if your cash-in amount greater than the purchase but less plus then or part thereof will be returned to casino account for you play with. only able once balance excluding purchases made after first exceeds of original bonus. example 100 and receive 150 result in 50 being received. i dont know can put here am not on 3898 not sticky scarce it is as says. you need to finish with an amount equal or greater than your deposit and bonus after the wagering requirments are met. so i believe have wger first then 5x. effectively this 100 100bonus 1100 wager at 200 more get a cheque below anything over gets returned account while credit card however else deposited. bonuses explained many online casinos provision that may never be cashed out. what has become known in gambling community because always sticks until lose it. winnings resulting from if here how would recommend getting most out of cash everything except bonus. play some money either won enough bother making another redemption blown entire thing. make large bets avoid house edge grinding down. playing blackjack leave for doubles splits. keep mind fees. fee will set my winning goal. example there goal win 500 otherwise only 250. when reach repeat process do eventually everything. - wizard odds website 3899 can you say variance joe bj i feel the same way at times but just have to keep pounding into my head things like cards no memory and it's normal . latest struggle was with a run one casino that had me winning majority of double-downs 10 or 11 would lose every single double-down 9 showing. dealer never once busted his 3-6 showing always pulled low card 9. this happened least in row. chanting.. itsjus nomor alvar e-ance 3900 matey nt new player 3901 have tried them all bobby none of those work. first usa used to work but doesn't anymore. 3902 just think about it seriously they're in control ps on-line casinos are for making money like real life casinos. as an gambler you agreeing tacitly that control. i see many sites place the responsibility of violation any laws wherever is located. asking honesty payoffs and fairness something also limited. such listing would by not too reliable dependent on a range gamblers their assessments. these assessments facts situation dynamic could be somehow changing. instance why giving more than ones much casino one at least have visual assessment change conditions casino. fact software manufactured others does really mean to me either. suppose they set up own shops look made neutral parties my son programmer knows game bj. response specific questions he said anything programmed given variables. specifically thinks even if there no detectable flaws still favorable manner advantage. everything honest regards games has hard time where winners especially bigger bets cc etc. followed so closely wouldn't maintain program following progress your wins respond timely remember can deny remove from premises variety reasons. do very same thing without hassle. buyer beware. 3903 tried any other software scarce rtg has a bad reputation among credit card companies anyway. did you try to deposit directly or through an alternate method paypal netteller firepay etc. 3904 don't trust rtg except for cc bobby i usually deposit 1k the 20 type bonuses. one was attempting to on grand banks 25 bonus up buy in. with a paypal of 1k. they might decide i'm abuser and keep my deposit--or go out business. got stiffed 600 by casino merlin. will 100 firepay in casinos bonuses but them big ones. not worth sweating it 6 weeks. do know that is pretty reliable have had bad streaks me at times. depositing allows you reverse charge if goes business or decides stiff you. haven't yet. 3905 paypal info haim hi there i am new with this net cazino's. and would like to know what good it is for me use a account as see they charge something 3 of all the payment you earn. more over have an international accout so even take fee sending money cazino. their advantage if any. don't mind wait month check but want them from my money. always talk here about 0.1 edge much more. waiting your answer thanks 3906 then you may be sol nt scarce 3907 law of the 3rd sounds... drew ...fishy to me. maybe its just because i've never heard it before now. i can't put together why some numbers would be less likely appear if wheel is random. - -drew 3908 lasseters good or bad jr has anyone had any experiences at online casino thanks 3909 about as secure it gets scarce they use australian dollars though which aren't worth much 0.50 or so of an us . the only problem is software crap. 3910 aside from... caruso ...the crap software it appears they shuffle their deck after every card not hand. 3911 any more casino on net success stories mr.415 just wanted to know if players out there are having profitable sessions at blackjack 3912 con bonus offer is generous if you're willing to buy-in 1 000 nt drew 3913 con success stories oldcootfromva since i shot my mouth off the other day i've had two losing sessions in a row. that'll teach me to brag hope . murphy's law guess. 3914 caruso reply jr i had heard they will not let you win on tables games. are said to be fair and balanced until get ahead then weird stuff happens lose virtually evey play. anyone else habe comments lasseters 3915 i did a martingale think rat things got ugly when started doubing my bets at lasseters all of suden 12 loss in row. anyone know how often row happens im never doing again... is the worst ive seen....this far 3916 golden wager's ship sunk thatch i had been after their behinds for three months my 425 cashin that was never sent... email received today dear me due to unforeseen financial difficulty wager casino has forced close its doors. we would like take time thank all of our loyal customers your patience and understanding through this hard time. sincerely apologize any inconvenience may have caused. arrangements made with homewagering sportsbook help care account. are in the process forwarding complete wagering history balance information homewagering. you can expect receive an from them by march 10th. make transition run smoothly asking members go www.homewagering.com log into using user id password. will be asked change doing so please check confirm account balance. regarding click here http goldenwager.html feel free contact at info homewagering.com or call us toll 1-800-897-0550 questions note if multiple emails discuss merging accounts. is called got some reassuring words effect able finally get money shortly. on site what 'cashed in'. hope horizon anybody else snag regards 3917 a bunch of them are going down scarce ...old las vegas from home gambling stadium offshore gaming. and i'm sure we'll see more. good riddance 3918 account balance rescue plan scarce welcome gambling stadium players as you are now aware is no longer in business. before the decision was made by to close its doors they approached us take care of their customer. investment group and managers home wagering thought long hard about feasibility committing such a large financial commitment. taking responsibility for balances 1000's customers with promise from these continued business risky proposition. we also took into consideration what effect closing would have on industry if one came customers. has help recoup every penny owed stadium. not required play any casino games or bet sports receive your money. hoping that decide at enjoy everything offer. it's choice either withdraw funds wager. choose make withdrawal chart below plan. will determine how much can when. time table 3 18 02 4 15 5 13 6 10 7 8 12 9 11 2 100.00 less 100 100.01 250.00 50 250.01 1000.00 25 1000.01 2500.00 20 16 2500.01 more example had 80 account. monday march 2002 request all some none yours. hope 250 1000 500 up money wagering. sportsbook winnings anytime. keep mind must leave 75 this case 375 until next scheduled date april where then an additional . please see encourage win may it restrictions. 125 which left 375. won 25th thereafter winnings. important drops follow above time. deposit chart. questions contact info homewagering.com telephone 1-800-897-0550. thank 3919 got me too bobby i have about 980 tied up--all profit. guess i'll to wait a while. i'm just glad someone is picking up the tab on this. 3920 microgaming paddyboy can anyone give me the lowdown on mg.are games 1 deck as they say or 2 more i have seen a lot of 5 and 6 card tricks when am playing. also playing through b d dealer seems to major advantage.i bs perfectly using wizard odds s17 composition dependent strategies.this probably does not improve your by much but every little helps. is orbital slow only get about 3 hands per min .and this be usual for mg you are reqs know that best bonuses never played finished positve side 3921 old las vegas mailed me... opa mary better than going out of business and taking the money. 3922 scarce - do you mind if your post is copied to other sites another anon would the rescue plan posted was i'm sure others be interested in this arrangement. 3923 go ahead scarce you will get the same thing though if to one of defunct sites. you'll then be automatically re-directed homewagering. a nice feature by bunch crap casinos. 3924 reply drew to answer your questions in order 1 mg blackjack is single deck unless you're playing multi-hand which uses multiple decks. 2 as for the dealers major advantage many players on this board have posted their belief that not 100 honest. reason choose play vp at sites rather than bj. i personally found my results so far from expectation suspect unfair practices. set prefs show postings made past year or and scan through message headings -- you'll find lots of stuff written mg. 3 yes all bj slow. if refering wiz's tables while will slow you down even more. 4 does tend very good bonuses. say you've lost d b never finished ahead... how played with result only a handful surprising could be considered part normal swings game. i've nearly sits large bonus offeres ahead fair share. hope helps - -drew 3925 iv'e lost 17 in a row--with one push the middle nt bobby 3926 bobby at lasseters jr did u lose 17 in a row or just some casino 3927 another casino--havn't played lasseters nt bobby 3928 cc carol what credit cards work does first bank is ecash ok thanks 3929 longetivity newcomer hi i am new to net casions. read on the subject diffrent websites but didnt find enough information about longetivity. what in your opinions is needed oredr play for a long time without being barred and still get good promotions thought 3 things 1. more than minimum required 10 2. few losing games baccara craps are maybe even some rulette 3. if you have bank roll not betting amount. basuc strategy at bj think its normal dont experience. thoughts also any risk sufficent so thanks alot advance 3931 cash advance and chargeback dave hi there doe's anyone know those terms please explain. thanks 3932 bac craps and roulette usually do not qualify as play for bonuses nt drew 3933 using credit card for cash denying a charge nt drew 3934 follow-up offers banana4 scarce how lucrative are these typically most of the new casino 100 50 25 and so on. but all i get in my inbox for returning players usually low margin stuff like 20 300 to that effect which means your hourly earn is still pretty low. bobby says eventually you run out places hit assuming you're only using own id am do have rely on low-ev plays after you've exhausted btw love reading posts this forum. thanks info. 3935 reply scarce like bobby says eventually you run out of new places to hit assuming you're only using your own id which i am so do have rely on these low-ev plays after you've exhausted all the offers what he's saying think is a player will zero risk play. this not true. open every week. most often returning are 20-25 variety although some go higher rtg comes mind . but offer much better though. windows has been routinely offering 50 deals with reasonable terms. golden palace group usually 100 and there numerous examples such as pop up week sometimes from unlikely sources. reality that online gambling becoming less generous place anyway. if were various playtech casinos you'd be facing 75 1500. exactly an without attendant risk. or cryptologic e.g. sands 110 2400 keep wanting play forever hopelessly naive leads type methods expressed board. hammering people they need seek best information available. they're serious about find it. they'll down other road quit. 3937 single player roulette casino jr i have been playing at the sands of caribbean and winning. play european sands. it lets you without betting every spin on a table game. found any other casinos that let do multi-player game tried some mult-player but doesn't give me enough to my strategy. hasw anyone complied list honest thanks for help can offer. 3938 cashing in trashcan jack i'm just beginning net casino play. i've notice that several sites will pay cashins by wire transfer or ach to united states banks. on their out forms they ask for your ecash account number. can anyone tell me what this is and how get one thanks the answer a probably stupid naive question. 3939 i'd still like to hear more... drew ... about this law of the 3rd which you mentioned in a similar thread below. i've never heard it and i can't figure how makes any mathematical sense. just don't see past roulette spins can predict future spins. perhaps could enlighten me. - -drew 3940 beatwebcasinos.com shark you can find the answers for all your questions in book with same title as this post. be ordered from online catalogue of site. a bonus will teach bj basic strategy well. 3941 reply to drew jr hello i can't write all there is know about it on this form but let me give you some statistics examine and see if help you. observing the law of third approx. 24 numbers out 37 will come up in a cycle 37. that means 12 or 13 do not at all. so let's look up. 14 just one time 6.1 two times 2.2 3 0.7 4 0.3 5 an average. now from 9 10 twice with same data over as adheres third. hope helps. 3942 paypal issue maverick my credit cards won't work at internet casinos. so i set up paypal. then tried a small 40 buy in. got message back from saying they can't take money out of account if use it for gambling sites. am thinking about setting wife and let her pay me the she owes me. leave in to fund deposit site. but is going very same card was. afaid running foul rule against using them get cash advances. even though this has balance cashing old william hill sportsbook account. any thoughts really do prefer everything via just card. that way can have some chargeback protection. regards 3943 spousal accounts maverick how do you feel about accounts. separate people but same credit card. bank account. different paypal regards 3944 any site that lists a lot of casino groups affiliates nt rat 3945 mg the mayor if you turn off sound is fast. 5 hands per minute. don't double on 11 vs. t as a dealer bj will take both bets i've won at every site i have played 4 of them and always come out positive side ev lucky me . no problem getting paid. --mayor 3947 maverick reply jr i believe you'll be charged a fee when you accept the funds from your wife using pay pa. use pal all time on ebay and money someone takes bite out of it. regards 3948 i was afraid of that - thnx nt maverick 3949 don't understand. bobby i use paypal quite often on reputable casinos. have never had any problem with paypal. my bank acct. is hooked up. think that what you need to do. also has charged me a penny for receiving payments from noticed receipts some time the casino gets by but it come out pocket. 3950 paypal funding maverick they will take it from the checking account i think. but can't verify those funky deposits for a few days. make couple of tiny and you have them. till then to use credit card which would prefer do anyway. cards offer certain amount protection. think charge was based on transferring money between two account. if my wife sent me payment there might be some sort merchent fee discount. am unsure about this. all this is new. regards 3952 thnx queen - looks like i will need to wait for awhile nt maverick 3953 update - visa won't do it nt maverick 3954 bs for online gaming... easyrider maybe rob can help with this one... i noticed that several authors mention gaming assume single deck s17 no das d9 resplits is slightly different than normal. apparently one shouldn't double on 11 vs. a or 10 splitting 8s restricted to 2-9 and as why the changes thanks -easy 3955 easy trashcan jack most online casinos use english no hole card type rules. if the dealer has a natural you lose doubles and splits not just original bet. thus change in strategy. 3956 don't bother... rob if you play anything on-line or choose to deal with the credit card mess that they--and you--have created you've undoubtedly got a serious gambling problem. none of sites are fair. gamblers like dispute that. why because they have sickness and compulsion. tell me ran an off-shore gaming site had no regulation ability say whatever it wants would incorporate software was guaranteed withhold certain amount not these nothing more than blood-sucking creatures sucking financial life out many americans. this type thing should be reserved for foreigners we all know takes them years catch up what do over here. 3957 no no. caruso the casinos using hole card rule are certainly not in majority microgaming yes and there quite a few mgs but boss crypto rtg all peek games. appropriate bs can be found at thewizardofodds.com. 3958 that being the case... caruso ...my own sickness has been exceptionally profitable may i never be cured 3959 peek games trashcan jack thanks for straightening me out. i've played mostly mgs. and i heartily endorse checking the wiz proper basic strategy each software. 3961 i'll second that drew easyrider if you're looking for guidance listen to folks like caruso and scare who know what they are talking about willing give good advice. there lots of helpful on these pages. rob doesn't he's about. here stir up trouble. i suggest you ignore him. this can be an extremely profitable hobby. - -drew 3962 obviously not rob nt maverick 3963 large bets online casinos jr has anyone notice and change the game results when you make larger wagers 10 to 25 noticed any in gambling if are ahead a few hundred dollars or more betting on casino 3964 yeah i've noticed kdk yes speaking personally i that if am constantly ahead at an online casino especially micro ones one day when log back in losing a very unnatural way. time to cash out happens. scum the lot of them and don't give me bit about variance bs like that. they are it no doubt 3965 what's up at lucky nugget kolophonium 2 days ago i deposited 100 the for their match bonus and suddenly it seems that site is on blink big-time. website just won't load. hope server down but longer this goes more start to worry about my 100. top of got an email back from them rejecting request said had given invalid account number when registered which am sure not true. anybody else a similar experience would appreciate if anyone tried log onto www.luckynugget.com let me know worked you. thanks 3966 kdk reply jr noticed that too. it has happened to me too many times at lasseters not know they are doing something. all the time but when get ready take your head off.....there is nothing will protect you. i mean have seen some weird stuff in land based casinos like what so. wet down leg and try tell you raining. even a dog knows if he been kick or just tripped over. 3967 thanks for the chuckle thatch by way many of us here are not american. i one. dot read any discriminating crap about 'foreigners' from regular posters here. as far am concerned this a 'friends club'. btw foreigner made apoint getting lapel pin with both my country's and american flag side-by-side after certain september monstuosity. soldiers were side u.s. comes 'don't bother' comment. 'bothering' time spend counting money doing so keeps me out mischief also get 'tilted' sites where dealer pulls hands like 21's to 20's bj's his shorts because project meeting requirements some their 3968 ditto thatch no charges whatsoever to me either btw i did not need fund my paypal account directly. asked some casinos transfer the surplus of winnings with firepay and many gladly do it. now have a nicely functional bankroll in 'tool' funded by - be used on regards' 3969 i just logged on without a problem nt minnesota fats 3971 same here. nt i can't think of one right now 3972 must just be my computer...grrrrr..... nt kolophonium 3975 let me know how bonus issue turns out nt maverick 3976 ordereed your book maverick i am sure those pro-gos are in there. have read some of stuff on other sites. assume still using the same up a lose approach. nice little as you slow go progression which spreads 1 to 6 but takes 16 steps get thinking that. let me know if an interest. btw - enjoyed post. 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took a dive then came back. finished down 1 unit from my starting point. am still 50 of the 250 bonus have more play to go. we'll see. get about 200 hour. 3982 blushing bright red nt rob mcgarvey 3983 master bonus bandit rob mcgarvey nice to see you posting oh great one still smoking the sites out there around. 3984 read'em and weep rob mcgarvey http webhome.idirect.com blakjack 213970.jpg 63931.jpg chk2000.jpg chk694.jpg any questions winnings.htm 3986 110 caruso that's 10 more than i got from sands this month. some blokes get all the luck... 3987 yeah kathleen turner overdrive as a certain female friend of mine is fond saying whatever . 3988 i suppose.. scarce the extra 10 think saw on their webpage or an e-mail for new signups. there's also a bonus voting at gambling.com. of course i'm not going to get player bonus. was speaking players who've never tried there. wouldn't vote thing either. i'd gladly sell it deal worth doing but this present one stinks. rarely play there anymore 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turned 200 into a high 4-figure with relatively small bets. just seems too good true but really hoping 3996 firepay and paypal transfers abundant does anyone know whether it is possible to transfer money between accounts if so how i.e. from a account vice-versa. thanks in anticipation. ab. 3997 pff...stop playing online then nt scarce 3998 auto-response drew i received this same when emailed lucky nugget many months ago. think it is their standard. they did write back to me after 2 or 3 days. - -drew 3999 beware atlantis fortune casino jr ---atlantis http atlantisfortune.com proc-cyber-services.com please be careful of or any online affiliated with proc cyber services. i open a account there to gamble and made deposit. they froze my funds barred me from the casino. that's it never gambled there. had chance. received email notice correspondence at all. have lassters global-player sands caribbean problem like this. am in good standings all three. after emailing waiting 3 days threatened 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murray wig guy say movie want money 4010 username nt scarce 4011 username burguj lelik 4012 you were tossed out nt scarce 4013 caruso reply jr well hell yes i called them. do you think just sat there for three days emailed and threatened them until they put the money in casino account later. then did a withdraw. have not received of course as it happened. know if ever will. when someone is pissing on my leg raining. am big boy 60 years old fixing to get screwed. point isn't that haven't had problem with proc cyber services or mg's software. froze funds barred me from soon their casino. never even sent courtesy friggen email let what was going pissed incase cant tell now purpose post warn fellow gamblers about putting deposit into atlantis fortune no hidden agenda want defend more power you. reads this warning wants give try too. gesture good will others. nice say 4014 what for nt burguj 4015 lack of participation leeching scarce you really should have paid attention to that part about in the faq. vote was unanimous too which quite a feat. contact tim fatwallet.com 4016 so this is your fourth online casino played at nt scarce 4017 you'd think the guy would get a warning first. geesh give him 100 back nt homer j. simpson 4018 there were plenty of warnings scarce this guy seems to have been the posterboy for everything which was contained in faq how not be a member etc. voting also public and lasted over several days time he logged seven times day. i don't understand someone paying their 100 being so lax. 4019 ok burguj thank you guis i don't need 100 back but recieve a warning it's really good idea. received nothing. anyway that's my fault didn't read faq about lack of participation. i'll try to contact tim probably he gives me one more chance. 4020 thanks for posting--site looks like a good resource nt bobby 4021 sounds interesting bobby what is the quality of info on this site i see that fat bonus not taking new members right now. are there plans to do so anytime soon 4022 thank you bet2gamble.com hi bobby for your compliment. we at appreciate it. www.bet2gamble.com 4023 way overpriced huey you can easily find the same info for free on other boards which aren't run like totalitarian regimes. if they kick out will have no recourse as a refund policy. most members there are closet slot players anyway. think progression zone steriods with patients running asylum. 4024 yes thats right. powerplay i was a member for while not worth the effot. lots of slot players and gamblers. there are better ways to spend 100. 4025 fatbonus is suck samantha fox forget about that place - nothing but stupid slot players play until the bonuses and their money are gone then cry on each others shoulders. guy runs it known as master every morning they start a new thread called good how also treat women there like crap. calling them names lilsnatch stuff. lot of macho bs there... 4026 just got paid on 3 11. whew nt pablo 4027 me thinks thou protesteth too much. pablo i have been a member of fat bonus for about 6 months. also subscriber to bj21 many years. it is not easy get up-to-date unbiased information on offers at on-line casinos. tried out without posting the first three months and enjoyed good info. however was forced become an active poster in january when they changed rules require all members post least quality posts each month or be kicked out. am glad did. as result this new requirement there are now only 210 almost posters. maximum membership 400 still welcome if willing contribute. from what can see excellent timely. would never play offer checking into members' experience with first. yes do seem few gamblers but minority. comments regarding female unfortunate most insensitive postings subject being rebuked by other closing strongly recommend any serious hunter member. 4028 i think nothing at all. caruso you said emailed them suggested phone - never bother with emails to the proc cyber stable support is good. are not crooks i've played one or two more than so should know. it can take upwards of 10 business days for credits show up in your account. chill out. save wrath when bump into a real crook. 4029 i still have a balance... drew ... what do you more experienced folk think should cash-in or wait - -drew 4030 fro what i saw agree newcomer hi am new to all this and only started playing. but read alot of the stuff in fatbonus was very impressed by information. there is information every day old interesting especially for a beginner like me. people seems young less serious sometimes than bj21 its not such problem dont understand how register though. ones who do you know any other forums as good fat bonus 4031 agree... drew ... pc has always been good to me. i honestly believe that my one dispute with them was an honest mistake which they worked rectify in short order. - -drew 4035 vote of confidence appreciated rob mcgarvey thanks for that voc scarce. i think life should be a win situation unless we are playing 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ends be refunds. boldface. basically proposition me because else told worth it. after days decide wasn't tough luck 4041 fatbonus -- waste of time kenny yeah i got kicked out too without any warnings. bunch pricks. it is just a scam to have you part with your 100 kennt 4042 the mob takes a hit rob mcgarvey i agree with scarce. they underestimated attention would cause. quickly changed bonus to 25 50 instead of 0 50. there were far fewer people that went after 200 deal than and are tightening things up before go broke. hang in for bit maybe pull back your depo which used cc make as per norm any new outfit make. give them few weeks smoking slot players will have enough muhlah pay us all off keepin' tings quiet...grin 4043 no usual sd bj on offer. nt caruso 4044 i would probably withdraw kathleen turner overdrive unless you were planning on giving a little more action. if there is chance your cash-in will be processed. they may just looking for players who played multiple accounts. are solo player should ok. 4045 mg scam squarehed could this exceptionally sweet bonus be some on mg's part to update their database by flushing out hustlers i notice my request hasn't been placed back into credit account. hope that means they're gonna pay me. 4046 would you name some kx mail please recommend good free forums 4047 online casino watch dog rob mcgarvey there has got to be some place that does press releases for new casinos. i find out when they get released from the inside but should also a public watchdog this. possibly webspider we can use check each day any news re 4048 i don't think so scarce as rob pointed out it was the 50 freebie which caused problems. and haven't heard of any microgaming places trying to pull a cyber croupier boss kind stunt yet. 4049 what do you think will happen worried poster i have a lot of money in my account 4050 simple huey i have a lot of money in my account what do you think will happen one two things happen. if played by their rules get paid full once the audit is over. opened mutiple accounts and just happened to lucky on them good luck. - 4051 so any idea... worried poster thanx for your reply. idea why... why they are pissing off everyone even people like me who massively overplayed the bonus requirements and wouldn't use multiple accounts in a gazillion years seems using grenade launcher to crack nut me. 4052 credit card - how maverick i would prefer to use cards but none of mine work. you doing that 4054 i wouldn't worry too much. caruso the thought of putting money into most reputable online casino is terrifying to begin with it gets easier date i've not come close contemplating a chargeback. you can make mint before need be going anywhere near shark-infested water. stick paypal and get yourself firepay bear in mind that may ahem wrestle your conscience when answer question do intend use these funds for gambling . 4056 mcgarvey is canadian not american nt scarce 4057 paper squarehed having pp and fp tied to my checking account is like sending up a flare for the irs ack. i'm seriously considering once i hit win goal buy big rock lady shhh don't tell anybody putting in some play man then bailing. 4059 are you new to online play kathleen turner overdrive if so this type of thing is par for the on gambling course. happens all time. slow payment hoops jump through forms sign mistakes by casinos etc. once in a while won t be paid at all. it s fairly rare but does happen and odds will eventually everyone who plays online. basically there not much can do keep your fingers crossed hope paid. typically microgamign casino pay i wouldn't worry much. have ask yourself you're willing deal with crap. i'm trying scare m simply being honest. tend about things like don't loose ends ambiguity drive drinking. no go my drink needs refreshing. 4060 firepay paypal - funds for gambling durham hi i am new to this forum. does anybody say 'yes' the question 'do you intend gamble with these ' when asked by paypal. is a big deal have answered yes no problems but haven't yet deposited into just wondering what some of folks do. thanks. 4063 not new... worried poster i'm prepared to get stiffed and naive but by microgaming. if mg starts stiffing people that seriously calls into question the viability of online gambling advantage play. i think there has be at least one safe software provider with unlike cryptologic a decent bonus program. 4064 thnx caruso maverick i must have missed that question with paypal. not opened a firepay. guess should do also. 4065 cibc us visa card rob mcgarvey it is a canadian bank that allows transactions. wipes out all of the cost re transfers. costs me 35us up front and zip after that. while back they charged 2 per transaction but don't bother now. with less than 1000 in transactions pays for itself. i also have 0 interest 6 month citibank am using. do hope dollar keeps sliding over next months. on occasion made this difference. 100us bonus more like 160 to exchange rate. just lucky be right place at time playing game. 4066 i paid real money - 15 bucks was not enough to sweat nt maverick 4067 yes banana4 just finished doing 150 165 and cashed out yesterday. have not received payment yet but expect no hassles. was a minor hiccup as when i originally they claimed had met the requirements although myself logged at 2287 in action . played another 1k without hitch. 4068 ok cool thanks nt carol 4069 calling all uk players. bill baggins can anyone from the tell me how they get their profits into sterling accounts in cheapest manner possible. i have us dollar cheques falling through post but charges for cashing these will eat profits. similarly there are running a currency account. paypal and firepay handle amount excess of my original deposits with net casinos which is usually paid form cheque. any clues would be gratefully received. best b. 4070 all you can do.. caruso ...is cash in a bunch together nat west charges me 10 for over 100 cashed but not per cheque transaction. re. paypal - it's apparently possible non-us players to link us based bank account their and thus fund it with deposit credit winnings rather than each winging its way back the card receiving excess by i'm still struggling this one myself. 4071 not a problem as long you are plan to pay your taxes nt asap 4072 the question... word play... thatch 'conscience wrestling' question was easy for me to answer after thinking about it... first thought that came my mind they have merchants are not casinos... so what if one joins service intending 'gamble' has a change of heart and decides later use account some casinos original true... last prompted no fact i don't online rather 'invest' by capturing bonuses... these thoughts leave with clean conscience answer. regards 4073 no proccyber until goodfellows pans through dancali tell me if this makes sense to you all. personally i am not going play any casinos the goodfellow situation gets worked out. is a joint and they are currently auditing their accounts in an attempt find promotion abusers of one sort or another. there chance that will deem good number legitimate players bonus effort save behinds. happens then those most likely get banned from every site using -- probably more than half all microgaming casinos. don't want have 100 say orbital when casts its verdicts on who passes proccyber. another reason might stay away joints may work conjunction figure out promotional are. see taken advantage few signup bonuses time you've been waiting for your winnings be obvious mark. certainly abuser but was winner at it take. ------------------ --member opa 4074 possible to get a us-account kx paypal suggests getting but is that really as far i know from my friends living in the us us-banks demands social security and even utility bills accept clients 4075 thank you thatch nt durham 4081 there is a better way though... kdk don't know why more casinos use e-gold as currency. it has been around much longer than paypal and are several market makers that will pay you in whichever currency use. also does not have the same problem like locking people's accounts payouts instant case of gold casino thegoldcasino.com . no i am an employee either or mentioned which sucks anyway would just to see provide immediate payment can do that. but could be reason it. 4082 reply proc cyber atlantis fortune casino freez account jr hello dancali i have come to find out was responsible for freezing my at casino. afc simply made a deposit as first time customer and bang is frozen bars me from the never got play now beautiful part of this story neither pc or notify me. not one single eamil. go in it give message am barred thinking what hell going on email both several times no response. call tell being investigated bonus abuse. funds are until investigation over. how warm welcome after making only played three online but there lot. good standing with all three. don't know do abuse even if wanted to. man cold slap face. couple days sent them threatening post every gambling mesage board net that they cheated did return deposit. explained longer want insulted way. back. next day placed account. withdrawal i'll get money. may be trying curb warned you make any affiliate services risk getting your immediately. 4084 uh i read that post three times and . ky hick still don't understand what the heck cosa nostra or raven townsend's dad has to do with usb memory modules. some bad weed i'm guessing. being said modules -- keychain it's often called because they can literally hang on a are very handy. you plug it into port your computer thinks another disk drive. transfers lightning fast. strongly recommended. 4085 sunrise poker david i played in many rooms. the majority of them repeated functions each other. recently found a new room http www.sunrise-poker.com . noticed that differs an interesting way from other what is your opinion on this have you heard anything about it 4086 usb mem rob mcgarvey sorry about that. la cosa nostra is italian for our little thing like bonus badito thingie. the other comment was re a good book that being discussed on software board. confusion. rest you got just fine. . i still don't understand what heck or raven townsend's dad has to do with memory modules. 4087 re sunrise poker remember me downloaded it a week ago or so ...logged in few times and not once found an active table for real money. no promo's freeroll's tournaments money tables to top off they pass along the credit card processing fee 4 player ...they can keep their site i'll pass. 4088 vegas country black lists bj kx i used my bonus and wagered far more than requirements but got cash back into casino account. when reading through the rules found match initial purchase must be 6 times before cashing in. wagers on craps roulette baccarat blackjack do not count toward fulfilling your promotional obligation with regards to amounts . has anyone seen this at any other hope they re trendsetters 4089 got blackjack devil in the details holy smokes i was about to say that it looks like a standard bonus requirement statement me and then re-read it. thought usual craps roulette not counting for just read right through without seeing word . verrrrry sneaky. answer your question no i've seen this at other casinos. 4090 why roulette nt maverick 4091 know of any freerolls maverick i have been scouting but no luck. saw one that required think 10 active bets prior to registration. bout it. regards 4092 red and black wolf star can bet odd even almost 0 risk. same as betting pass don't in craps. better question is why bj 4093 you are wrong bobby almost every casino disallows craps and roulette play for bonuses. this is not a good decision because 1.5 house advantage especially 5 much worse games in terms of expected value than blackjack. it true that the risk losing deposit bonus would be reduced considerably but also your overall long run expectation reduced--especially case roulette. i never these even if allowed. really moot argument since no allows on to count toward through requirements. 4094 several remember me off the top of my head... ultimatebet pokerscape truepoker partypoker cccpoker dynamitepoker pokerpages pokerstars americascardroom highlandsclub planetpoker - i believe these require some sort play or at least deposit before allowing entry into freerolls but could be wrong . if think more i'll post 'em later. them have freeroll's regularly and every so often. very almost not daily they're worthwhile to play. has twice a week it's real grind for little reward. just found today sure about exactly what it is they give away with find out sometime soon. partypoker's are sporadic tough win because players well structure tournaments however awesome prizes instance made final table tournament which won by winning freeroll in first prize was free 1 000 tournament. you missed huge weekend acr wish i'd known were interested gave thousands. outstanding 'bonus' type things that go along their sites. any hand aaatt better wins spot an nba pool 4 chances 200 there 100 spots shot can ya ask for. call money avalanches sometimes announced random everyone seated when one comes gets nice bonus winner picks up anywhere from 50 1500 depending on 'size' avalanche. sites having trouble getting as many newer do lot attempt bring except sunrise i've no idea how compete other new ...i hope original poster affiliated ...maybe he take hint. 4095 the reason i've heard is . ky hick high-odds bets available such as a single straight-up number in roulette or aces boxcars craps. if player uses his bonus money to play those and gets even remotely lucky casinos will lose big. why don't they mind slot machine bet that might pay much more beats me. no one said these casino operators are rocket scientists. 4096 bare-all bj jimako just received an offer from internet casino with the following game i have not seen before. has anyone played analysed it offers a 50 bonus on deposits and requires 12x wager of deposit before crediting -- that is purchase 100 get entitlement to need 150 x 12 1800 credited account. you can top up more purchases achieve requirements for bonus. here description web site bare all blackjack usual rules are same as except both dealer cards exposed wins ties tied blackjacks which go player pays even money may split twice unlike 10 value static number decks 8 shuffled at 60 double 2 only values 9 11 surrender no max hands 3 stands soft 18 hard 17 4097 excitable titles john q bare-all bj sounds like double exposure to me. though i'm not an expert on the finer points of it's relatively common and it virtually always isn't worth bothering even look at. 4098 where is this game bob fisher can you double after split a-7 a-8 etc. if so the hand still soft hit keep total by i mean for example and get a 2 it 21 or 11 how much bet mid shoe exit allowed do know what brand of software they use destroyer thanks in advance. 4099 not a great game at all scarce i'm assuming that this is nodas so the house edge must be around 1.00 or more. here basic strategy though. i'd try it in free play mode first to ascertain rules. if there are bonus rules same suited blackjacks 6-7-8 etc and das then about as good an average online blackjack 0.50-0.60 . i wouldn't anyway getting even money on would bitter. 4100 www.infinitecasino.com nt jimako 4101 capital one - bad boys rob mcgarvey we would like to take this opportunity give you an update regarding capitol and online gaming. has made it clear in the past month or so that will o longer process transactions of any sort are linked means if attempt use your credit card issued by at casino all purchase attempts be rejected. avoid confusion frustration have disabled affected our casino. therefore not see as available when go banking page make a purchase. apologise for difficulty may cause unfortunately situation is out hands. been one's decision proceed outlined above. good news from 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sounds like you'll have to play vp or ugh slots. you can check www.thewizardofodds.com for strategy. let us know how things go. 4103 is the software by clock media gamemaster a company named used this name for their double exposure game in past and if it's same you should read what i have to say about them on blacklist page of my site. gm 4104 i think he's right drew playing red and black or pass don't at the same time would greatly reduce variance. if everyone did this no one go broke before reaching a high play through requirement as happens with bj. but much more importantly only people who make these types of bets are bonus hustlers. its not type thing that compulsive even recreational gambler do. advantage players kind move in order to ensure positive ev. guess which player casino wants. why bj sure. maybe lot hunters just happen too. casinos it seems me really after slot players. - -drew 4105 possible reason john may playing red and black or pass don't at the same time would greatly reduce variance. if everyone did this no one go broke before reaching a high play through requirement as happens with bj. dead right. your ev is lower but score be almost exactly same. moreover you can cover action requirements extremely quickly ror. actual earnings are much higher relative to invested when get away strategy. more importantly only people who make these types of bets bonus hustlers. its not type thing that compulsive even recreational gambler do. advantage players kind move in order ensure positive ev. guess which player casino wants. exception trying around minimum bet willing pay extra vig for privilege. casinos usually turn blind eye this. i've done few places nothing vulgar simply bunging 500 on bank mix it up small differential amounts both wagers perhaps accordance some progression. best little other games well so doesn't leap out whoever examining logs. 4106 world gaming steals winnings from me. anon314 i played at mgm casino and sportsbook. won 200 on top of their bonus gave plenty action. they say are refunding my 1000 deposit because am part a 'team' abusers. that is theft. 4107 thanks very much for the list bobby do any of listed cards not charge transaction fees and interest or in other words treat gaming transactions as purchases i know citibank next card fees. sharing info bobby. 4108 paid by home casino bobby update on the five unified gaming casinos that went out of business. i was 25 my winnings today paypal. so far is honoring its promise to pay debts business casinos. imagine had something do with it as well. just glad get paid. 4109 sure bill haywood yes of course it's theft. but going to keep happening you if cashout for a total that exposes self discipline. as far they are concerned with 1k deposit either seriously degenerate gambler or an advantage player. gamblers do not stop after 200 win. i would even think cashing out high-exposure large without doubling the and at least 10x action. kind action will often lose it really subtracts remarkably little from your expectation though variance goes up. they're make easy you. have show some deception in both volume play amount cashed out. btw might connected any similarly playing individuals 4110 world gaming is wrong to do this dongambler regardless of how much he bet over the minimum wagering requirements did play by casino's own rules. just because a smart disciplined gambler who decided take casino up on its offer doesn't give them right label him bonus abuser and steal winnings. from my understanding starnet stealing winnings several players me included. they are in for one hell fight here if think can get away with crap. 4111 blackjack tournament gp global-player casino and the gamemaster online present their 9th tournament. consists of two stages qualification period final. starts on saturday march 23td at 00 eastern will last until tuesday 26st 22 final takes place friday 29th 20 winner be challenging one best most famous players in world. who beats receives us 1 000 cash. if wins qualifier get a bonus 300. second prize is 200 third 100. this case for next months increase to 500. everybody can watch live chat with contestants while they are actually playing. detailed information provided page. 4112 it depends playaz i think that on where you're playing at. played the large deposits and only minimums at stanley acropolis aspinalls cashed out just fine. for either a win or loss according to recommendations of your book casino net but my total wagering was still not terribly high with no problems. did deposit vegas villa met minimum maybe there are problems less reputable places like world gaming this sort behavior is ok other casinos based experience. also used be paranoid about over requirements coming big as beatwebcasinos recommends. have since been bit more than cashing fine pretty much regardless balance. may due fact outdated when were strict. realize ev should same whether play versus until don't believe majority online games random. hunch call paranoia larger bets lower percentage return them programmed into software. so am especially keen stay away from dramatic generally required . great btw. you oughtta open an store selling hand tally-counters loyal followers. 4113 my experience is different pablo i have been using citibank visa for internet gambling two years now and never charged a fee. perhaps you should call them to ask why are being 4114 agree john may i played the large deposits and only minimums at stanley acropolis aspinalls cashed out just fine. these places you can literally cash same day whilst meeting action requirement to dollar no more. are high-profile companies. casinos have official regulator but if they start screwing people over online it will damage their politically sensitive negotiations with british gaming board deregulation. nevertheless don't advise any one do this. firstly recurring promotions of great value. want be forbidden from participating in or not given benefit doubt some procedural aberration because marked yourself as a bonus hustler since this amount truckload crappy 100 match bonuses. secondly its bit tacky. rub nose good operations deserve respect. while haywood's advice concerning less well known think he should concentrate on basic fact that casino has been behaving fraudulently might confuse minimum requirements cover two very different things. 4116 yes i'm remember you david what is the best online poker room and why sunrise worse than others 4117 good response scarce i would not even think of cashing out a high-exposure deposit large without doubling the and with at least 10x action. this isn't 1999 anymore. playaz's advice was bang-on agree it entirely. also 1000 is don't so.. 4121 where was that post speeds up microgaming software nt d.edge 4122 don't get me wrong bill haywood reread the post i never actually defend gambling dens concentrate strictly on player's behavior. in fact one of my hobbies is denouncing casinos most incendiary phrases can create. what type person runs an offshore net casino frat boys lam from date rape charges. talk to their immediatelly announces itself. feel very strongly that if they do not follow own rules letter are absolute scum and basically evil even when just by nature enterprises. also muggers. but people have be realistic about how conduct themselves avoiding both dark allys obvious advantage play. 1k eye raising deposit for all biggest places. some larger places only a few dozen online at any time. owners scan entire day's deposits rather little time you sure that's passtime because like reading money. certainly take look it comes cut check. 4123 here minnesota fats here's the link to scarce's post about speeding up mg software. regards mf 4126 disabling your soundcard may also work nt scarce 4129 now there's an oxymoron space captain smart diciplined gambler. that's a laugh. 4130 turn off 'sound' option on game squarehed i read that suggestion here a few days ago and it speeds things up considerably. can't remember who posted it. was in response to someone losing connection every hands after modifying the .ini file. 4131 gaming club proc cyber payout honest mr deviant over a month ago i requested cashout from gamingclub. it took them 2 weeks to even process request. finally got email saying check was sent but could take 21 business days where are they sending . should write this off as 'business loss' and move on or keep hope alive 4132 how long does it take to get a check from ecasch direct nt rat 4133 about 3 wks nt mr deviant 4134 the best is... remember me ...a matter of opinion. if you want volume paradise has most choices tables second is probably planet. like nl pl ultimatebet and pokerstars constantly have going as does with their recent launch games. bonuses acr pokerscape are tops in this. soft games pokercosmos cccpoker my picks softest though there isn't always a table at any them. tournaments truepoker multi-table imo. opportunity they've single tourney's pretty much around clock. high stakes heads up action place easy to find someone play 50 100 for long you'd like. higher limit wsex usually 30 60 least one 20 40 game clock 10 abundant planet along often wsex. middle pokerscapes 3 6 acr's 4 8 comes second. can be found lower well. other categories know opinion sunrise worse than rest because 1 they no deposit bonus. don't but few do new sites need something it. 2 freerolls. it's good way build traffic. . from hands bad beats or extra that just playing. tournaments. built on get people site keep them coming back. 5 worst reason all only poker passes credit card transaction charges player. let's see should i waste money let it sit doing nothing nothing. put somewhere partypoker where use freerolls players doesn't charged fees instead actually earns interest tough decision not isn't. been popping mad over past months virtually come out swinging free everywhere an attempt came except fee. 4135 not true bobby i respect your opinion but it is wrong in my case. play the 1000 promotions all time. have played for almost two years. never had money seized bonus abuse. on deposit promos calling 7-8k action a 1k rarely more than few hundred over requirements. do agree that you should try to win if are close. will admit get repeat offers probably could except from rtg which does distinguish between players and gamblers experience . 4136 you web casino strategy has to change through the years. anon314 yes of course it's theft. but going keep happening if cashout for a total that exposes self discipline. as far they are concerned with 1k deposit either seriously degenerate gambler or an advantage player. gamblers do not stop after 200 win. i would even think cashing out high-exposure large without doubling and at least 10x action. kind action will often lose it really subtracts remarkably little from your expectation though variance goes up. bill book was great in 1999. last few years have made literally hundreds deposits. this is first time taken against me. also no clue how much gave because never stated it. believe max bj bet three hands 100. could given 50k bets. now didn't give level did 5 go 10 over minimum requirements either. they're make easy you. show some deception both volume play amount cashed out. there big tradeoff. can bets bust on 80 deals variance. desire 8 hours meet requirements. value my more than that. everybody where don't mind happy devote deal. one other problem philosophy winning bust. say deposits win 5k 20 places care less went places. many casinos very poorly funded. be waiting 6-8 months money while these stall stall. happened me several times when used bigger wins. 1999 were ones existed better afford buy rtg 20k today. hit sequential royal 250k 5-10 before paying btw might connected any similarly playing individuals take thinking referral bonuses. turned down thousand dollars bonuses sportsbooks want linked players. loved came lot sense. however conditions shaped presented exist more. nature gambling changed since ways 2000 resemble 2001 which only slightly 4137 i would be very surprised if you do not receive your money nt asap 4138 new look for rtg software bobby i played tonight at las vegas online casino. had to download a pretty large file. the of changed quite bit. hope it is still 2 deck game. 4139 excellent response--i agree completely nt bobby 4140 first usa used to work bobby and i wasn't charged any transaction fee or interest. unfortunately they changed their policy. citibank has always me on both a visa mastercard acct. will call them find out what is up. could you tell the specific type of card use would sure appreciate it. mine driver's edge where get free dollars toward purchase new car. thanks 4141 yes exactly scarce i loved your book when it came out. made a lot of sense. however the conditions that have shaped philosophy as presented in do not exist any more. nature web gambling has changed few times since 1999. ways money 2000 resemble 2001 which only slightly make today. amen brother... 4142 who says it was ever a two deck game anon314 the casino operator can decide how many decks to use. i've seen three of same card several times at rtg places. yep you've been playing h17 shoe places i think years ago game... 4143 didn't know that bobby i will no longer modify any playing decisions based upon the count. it was rare got to do anyway with a shuffle every hand. 4144 i use a choice visa card from citibank pablo in addition my local credit union does not charge me any fees and have also used that for over two years. check your unions locally to see what their policies are. good luck. one additional comment has policy of only allowing three charges every 24 hours this kind gambling . if you are careful can trip up. it caused problems several times. however there appear be dollar limit on the amount each use. 4148 spam nt caruso 4149 is lasseters online casino fair jr has anyone had good results from playing at thanks 4151 waiting for bonus carol if you are your and playing deposit does it count towards total the requirements 4153 will let you know..... rob mcgarvey have two coming in from yesterday 500 and 1500. i'm on toronto ontario canada...... clock is ticking . 4155 yes nt thatch 4156 i would not bother... thatch their bonuses are too skimpy to begin with imo... had the chance have a look at lasseters free 30 au offer that be rolled over only x3. all remember is losing 11 or 12 consecutive hands just bad flux really don't know but go back myself even for 100 bonus. regards 4157 we're all on tenterhooks nt caruso 4158 sounds painful nt rob mcgarvey 4159 i believe it's fair. the gamemaster lasseters online which is internet version of a brick-and-mortar casino regulated by australian government and from all my experience they offer fair games. when first opened had joker wild video poker game with something like 103 long-term return for perfect play. we broke story lot readers site played there made bunch . never heard any that weren't paid. think thatch's was as noted flux nothing more. their bonuses may not be great but you will get paid i'm sure that. this sound promo have advertised on are doing so at time hesitated to recommend someone feels gambling right them. still feel way. gm 4164 goodfellows kx have u guys got paid yet i m thinking of signing up. as far can see they ve removed the news about audits 4165 lowest minimum bets sirjimbo do any of you know online casinos that accept really small for blackjack i the oasis casino which has a 0.05 and want to use it but only have mastercard they don't would appreciate some information thanks. 4166 lasseters is the lowest dongambler i think they still have .02 cent a hand minimum blackjack there. 4167 lasseters is fair dongambler i will back up everything gamemaster says about lasseters. have played at several times and it more then random. located in australia which probaby the most regulated place there for an on-line casino to be licensed at. are no hassles getting paid here once you play pass their age verification check. 4168 winwards bonus fraud. kx the winward casino is saying it s offering a 100 bonus. this offer even promoted on gambling comission website. also approved by igc. sick thing that in fact not but similar to 50 if for example deposit made you will be granted money bet those and win half of time end up with total 150 instead supposed 200. me clear case fraud i m amazed reputable organisations like ones named accepts kind behaviour. wasn t all doesn have any proper review their random algorithm. only reviewer safebet.org trustworthyness isn exactly great . my own experience generator truly conclusion based small sample still. has anyone else tried did strange behaviour from algorithms 4169 winward bonus durham i have only played a couple online casinos so you can take my experience with grain of salt and is one them. they do explain on the website terms conditions match play bonus. granted it's still little bit confusing. spent some time figuring it out. would agree that works out to 50 there room for interpretation. in fairness them their 'works like coupon allows make bets without using money from your cash account . however had decent luck at blackjack. many times over requirements mind small 1- 5 i've done well - course not statistically significant. hear pay winners. purchase refunded credit card day am waiting cheque. been week. found customer service be very quick responding emails. that's experience... 4170 partyupoker john i tried party poker it was ok they have alot of diffirent games and the 1 million dollar trny on net. another good site is truepoker www.truepoker.com a 10 000 hold em an awesome interface but only two holdem omaha has shity stud ohma hi lo holde etc 4171 and that's australian dollars nt huey 4172 no problems here either. ditto actually won a few hundred paid very quickly. lasseters and acropolis have been the two that struck me as being most trustworthy online casino's. i played at several times it is more then fair random. than cool but random is... well dunno what don't sound fair. - 4173 which is worth about us 0.50 penny bj yes nt ky hick 4174 no problem kept bonus plus win paid in 4 days. nt squarehed 4178 standard ug matchplay - not fraud. nt caruso 4179 pc and gc have always paid me. nt drew 4180 maybe not fraud but intentionally misleading bill baggins the way matchplay works cannot be discerned from blarb on their website. this is indeed a 50 bonus with therefore equivalent of 12x playthrough as opposed to stated 6x 6x. play there seemed ok me though. b. 4181 same crooks nt scarce 4182 their checks are bouncing opa mary don't do it. they totally screwed up. 4183 and after the checks stop bouncing... opa mary don't know what these folks are thinking. 4184 100 thatch winward's is a match bonus. i played it and walked away with deposit about three quarters of the had no problems figuring out bonus type requirements. as posted above they refunded my fp account quick. am still waiting for check winnigs but it's not concern. btw only one to pick up phone call casinos when in any doubt whatsoever sure ... ask them clarify regards 4185 sometimes drew read the terms. offers say that play period begins after bonus is deposited. your will usually count but not always. - -drew 4186 taxes rat lets say i deposit 100 in an online casino get a bonus. wager 1000 5 hand. manage to turn it into 350. hands payed 200 won 115 575 lost 85 425 now according the law how should pay on this money 4187 virus alert - be the dealer jay my most recent norton scan found a in casinosetup.exe file beat folder called backdoor.trojan.dr. now this wasn't program exe just setup. i have quarantined since said it couldn't repair it. according to allows remote access computer. i'm not all that familar with viruses as i've never run across one before. can anyone confirm they also and what best action take would thanks. 4188 it is not 100 unless... bill baggins the player wins 20 bets of 5 dollars made from bonus account or 10 etc. in a row. for deposit put into separate account. you may then play this wager at bj which transferred to players real money however balance goes down by as well rather than remaining same level. unless all he she makes original will be matched with really matchplay true sense word i think not. b. 4189 go to symantec scarce ..and find the removal instructions at once. http securityresponse.symantec.com avcenter venc data backdoor.trojan.html once you get rid of it be dealer software too. i don't see why bj21.com continues associate themselves with these weasels. 4190 please tell me more david matthews i downloaded the software myself and deposited 500 in an account with them. did not have any viruses or trojan horses played there a bit. why they are weasels obviously heard what you heard. is it about them that illegitimate 4191 this will give you a start scarce http www.theprescription.com articles02 012202sting.shtml 4193 hmm you are correct... thatch i never looked at that bonus type in way... now do see it not being a true 100 as say... ...if one 'holds it's own' with the dealer wins 10 5 hands and loses ends up gaining 50 this 'separate bonus' opposed to whole reg. added match bonus... oic said blind man... bill humbly stands corrected. regards 4194 this particular virus... the mayor i had virus. backdoor.trojan.dr it was actually shipped with my brand new dell. think they planted or maybe m.s. did so could spy. opens port 5000. you can simply get a blocker encourage to do anyway and make sure all ports are closed except for ones use internet like 21 80 110 etc. . add firewall set. at any rate called dell complained their answer me we not ship viruses. right. then it's virus is feature harmful critter. just got rid of old fashion way -- by closing doors leaves open. --mayor 4196 bonus fraud algorithm ok. kx as i said my sample was very small so based on your experiences the algoritm is probably it hasn t been checked by any of big five which a bit scaring to me but regarding mailed igc and gambling commission. commission says that this way matchplay bonuses works in las vegas well. still believe clearly misleading especially since no other online casinos use method just opinion. m sure more ppl than will take for granted they are giving true 100 make them earn money short term. s sad promotes kind behaviour think such an organisation should be players side... 4197 are they not using proc cyber nt kx 4198 yes proc-cyber scarce the mystifying thing about all this is that they're not only bouncing cheques but stopping payment from already sent.that deliberately screwing players and even bothering to notify them what transpiring. i've never seen anything like a microgaming casino. 4199 highly unlikely nt space captain 4200 las vegas has done the same thing for at least 30 years gnossos frequently offers coupons with a face value of 1 or 5 more. they used to be called lucky bucks . when you use them on blackjack bet and win will pay amount coupon then take coupon. are worth about 2 value. winward other ug's just carrying long tradition. even 50 bonus isn't too bad. been considered one safest among ug's. but that is hardly ringing endorsement 4202 what should i do then easyrider ...if want to cash-in. wait 4203 what about cc refunds nt worried poster 4204 trojan ports on your computer. tg a backdoor in not really virus because it does duplicate itself. is deviant program that lays dorment hidden computer untill connection made to the vulnerable open port you when this has been done hacker owns pc and can lurk change access files etc.and quitely leave. i'm sure dont wish be hacked. try see if have any pc. 1. while internet dos prompt. 2. type netstat -an . 3. write down all numbers. 4. do search of these match they compromised. 5. get firewall. 4206 i'd also like to know... drew i was told go ahead and cash out. this bad advice - -drew 4207 how do you a trojan port search on the internet nt slot moron 4209 if winward casino calls it matchplay then it's not fraud otherwise is nt slot moron 4210 paypal visa doesn't work scott free my will not allow payments to online casinos. surprising since the service is so heavily pushed as way go. that what i have use none of credit cards such payments. maybe it has do with me being a us citzen post sept. 11th 4211 trojan ports can be found at doshelp.com. tg go to doshelp.com and select ports. you will get a listing of that compromised by the if they are on your pc left open. 4212 is golden palace a safe place to play bill baggins do they pay etc. i have heard some things about the 'golden palace' incident but as am new this don't know what wheat and chaff. any info or recent experiences gratefully received. regards b. p.s. sorry for cross posting if you read gc. 4213 no bill haywood they were the subject of single biggest online casino stir when began systematically seizing accounts players who won. gp has more enemies than any ecasino out there. lie this place is absolutely notorious. 4214 taxes not a cpa you have gain of 250. the laws on are fuzzy at best. basically supposed to reports wins and losses but there is no clear definition what constitutes an event . that if wanted be perfectly detailed then should report every hand as either win or loss -- this clearly impossible ridiculous. i played million hands video poker last year does irs expect me events so obviously group your into some sort category. problem specify appropriate category is. don't think would get hurt just overall particular casino pretend it happened all in one day actually over course many days also can only itemize huge do because won't standard deduction unless several thousands report. incredibly unfair way law currently written. example 1000 5 casinos lose other according need 5000 gains itemized losses. inb case total about 5000. without any gambling been which 4000 really onloy aan extra dedcution reporting end up paying additional follow even though did anything given estimate more than 20 people maybe 50 breaking 95 who gamble know understand ignore it's decide want --this post encouraging break law. another reason why hate much.. 4215 i agree with bill on this one. nt bobby 4216 paypal carol how long does it take on your account to read anything after a withdraw from casino i thought would be instant but pending . they instantlly. 4217 paypal huey payments are instant. once you send the casino money or vice versa is instantly deposited in recipient's account. problem a may take days weeks even months to process your withdrawal after have cashed using software. this delay has nothing do with it same reason fedex overnight express sometimes takes 3 getting house. 4218 thanks same with e-cheques nt carol 4219 it isn't paypal doing me again it's the casinos that have funds pending . amazed took casino's so long to cough up dough too. i've played dozens of poker sites where withdrawals get back in full profits included anywhere from 10 minutes 24 hours. take weeks why i no idea. but it'll there eventually. 4220 thats sucks it does nt carol 4221 poker sites carol are they any good fun 4222 of course they're fun... me again ...when you're winning. you won't find anywhere near the same bonuses or other incentives at poker sites that can get from casinos. some have decent stuff but compared to things casinos nothing compares. if enjoy playing then by all means play looking hustle it's pretty much a waste time look sites. 4223 disagree scarce everything is relative in online gambling but right now and for about the past year golden palace it's affiliates are at least as well run any other major brand of software. be careful signing up their though. you'll only allowed so many. bonus structure good too recommended that a player occassionally stay graces by playing without bonus. if you're asking will you get your deposit back yes certainly. b receive winnings with paypal preferred method c ever locked out or have confiscated might they suspect proof abuse. i seriously doubt except cases fraud anyone has had recently. i'd certainly recommend them to online. it did take me while become convinced went through bad old days when were microgaming. was not pleasant. 4224 not too hard to understand... kx they earn interest and hope that you will cancel your withdrawal lose money. in the fierce competition internet gambling its quite amazing no casinos use fast payouts as an edge. 4225 one click and play is really ugly. kx www.1cnp.com has offers that seems irresistible. like always the truth what looks too good to be true true... their games are clearly biased check for example when dealer 4 5 or 6 he almost never busts. this makes doubling a bad deal. player ends up with 22 extremely often. wasn t enough they haven got any clear rules regarding bonuses. first time you get bonus it s actually possible win but as go on gets totally impossible. 200 10 th paypal deposit useless too. your needs atleast 35 second turns out minimum of 50 goes that... gaming authorities in costa rica not very trustable. 4226 casino fortune accuses microgaming of dealing a non random game pug ugly read all about it at winner's online. i've long been suspicious microgaming's bj game. i'd love nothing better than to see and pwc's feet put the fire on this issue. it's time get settle once for all. 4227 which are their affiliates nt drew 4228 list scarce here are the one's i'm aware of. there may be others. bugsy online www.bugsyonline.com casino depot www.casinodepot.com crazy horse www.crazyhorsecasino.com easy rider www.easyridercasino.com flamingo www.flamingoclub.com gold nugget www.24ktgoldcasino.com golden palace www.goldenpalace.com grand www.grandonline.com riviera www.grandriviera.com kosher www.koshercasino.co.il l'oasis www.oasisclubcasino.com lucky charm www.luckycharmcasino.com merlins www.merlinsmagiccasino.com mystique www.casinomystique.com vegas www.onlinevegas.com pacific princess www.pacificprincessonline.com www.palace-casino.com premiere www.thepremiere.com ramses valley of kings www.rvcasino.com six shooter www.thesixshooter.com star www.thestarcasino.com top card www.tcardcasino.com triple win www.triplewin.com tahiti club www.tclubcasino.com 4229 how many is too durham hi scarce what your ball-park figure of would constitute 4230 matchplay not a cpa but you don't play bj with bonus money if have half brain -- roulette in this case get to keep an average of about 90 your because almost all the back rouleete is winnings . they let video poker kind that only pays 1 for two pair and 80 on average. 4231 no real concensus scarce i've heard as low 6 while others are playing at more. it seems to be a matter of time frame and whether or not you ever play without bonus. translated if try signing up with new casino every few days just for the bonus's pretty soon your registration will rejected. 4232 can top that john may it amazed me took casino's so long to cough up the dough too. i've played dozens of poker sites where withdrawals get back paypal in full profits included anywhere from 10 minutes 24 hours british sportsbooks refund your winnings credit card record time being 3 days kudos victorchandler.com . noticed a couple casinos advertising same-day payouts as kind promotion obviously they do when feel like it. 4234 too many... dopestone my friends and i all take advantage of gp's promotions most often come out on top. if you want to ensure that don't get banned but can still sign up for as many gp casinos just throw a little non-bonus-related cash into their account play with it once in while won't be rejected any promotions. we're members several gp's. 4235 thanks nt rat 4236 me too. again i've seen a few of those same day returns advertised recently as well perhaps there's hope for things to turn in the right direction sometime near future. 4237 the piece focuses on something else scarce ..not blackjack or any table games but their progressive slots . another real mess. microgaming looks to be losing propoganda war at moment. 4238 cryptologic is fast... kx it usually takes 2 days to get a cc payment from cryptologic. checks alot of time though 4239 that's kinda my point. me again it usually takes 2 days to get a cc payment from cryptologic. is indeed rather quick for an online casino but would be intolerably slow poker site. sites have all the same motives you listed previously with withdrawals none are anywhere near that slow. i've made at least 50 and never waited even 24 hours funds reach paypal. several major only require matter of minutes. no site offers option reversing cash-in . there's point within you'll can re-deposit if so choose. checks another story however receiving them weeks as casinos. hopefully faster payouts will become marketing tactic amongst casino's in future seen couple advertising day returns 4240 he meant something else scarce cc refunds from cryptologic will often show up your statement list as being the day you cashed in effectively an automatic transfer. some online casinos can take 7-14 days for this to occur. latter is ridiculous but it does happen. 4241 and some crypto sites do offer paypal now nt scarce 4242 is atlantis fortune ever going to pay me nt drew 4243 casino-on-net - fair gaming bjray i see that the bj21 website has listed in its menu. is it correct for me to assume this online casino been judged be a site 4245 con is one of the good ones. drew bjray feel free to ignore rob's suggestion that i'm recommending because it a sponsor. not penny money goes into my pocket. further while rob correct possible for internet casinos deal an unfair game i do believe this case with con. they don't have cheat run quality site and people continue play. i've found be very fair well run. support easy get ahold payouts are quick by casino standards experience limited paypal deposits withdrawls . con's bonus offer generous if you're comfortable 1 000 deposit. sure others will chime in their experiences. - -drew ps think many us on bj21 gamblers. at least not. 4246 excellent - no complaints nt bill baggins 4247 don't know pug ugly i've never played there. i would ask them. if they respond join the opa and file a complaint. or complaint with gambling grumbles at gambling.com good luck 4248 casino payment schedules commander taco in my experience many on-line casinos have a weekly payout schedule i.e. checks sent out on monday paypal tuesday wire transfers wednesday etc. of course they don't tell you this up-front but can always inquire. then calculate when to play hopefully insure the fastest withdrawl depending your cash-in method. 4249 absolutely homer j. simpson i am going to front 1000 a skeptical friend knowing full well that get my back and he is his 200 plus or minus any standard deviation profit. if isn't ringing endorsement then don't know what is... --homer 4250 atlantis fortune proc cyber warning reply jr hello i tried to warn gamblers here at this site about but was criticized. is my story .................................................................. beware ---atlantis casino http atlantisfortune.com proc-cyber-services.com please be careful of or any online affiliated with services. open a account there gamble and made deposit. they froze funds barred me from the casino. that's it never gambled there. had chance. received email notice correspondence all. have gabled lassters global-player sands caribbean problem like this. am in good standings all three. after emailing waiting 3 days threatened post that cheated out gave them 24 hours release funds. check were released bonus promised. not money back date will if do. so nor previous dealings their affiliate proc-cyber no ax grind do wish harm them. fairness felt only fair fellow other casinos best regards 4251 rob pulled his post nt drew 4253 got my winning check but not sure if it'll be bounced nt queen sm 4256 made 460 from 20 and got check. kx haven t cashed it yet though so i can guarantee won bounce. does anyone know why pcs sometimes uses bank of america lebanon gulf sal . the latter doesn sound too convincing 4257 mine cleared fine as usual. nt caruso 4258 anyone else using same software kx are all casinos the gp uses affiliates for example www.luckyliner.com and www.bonanzabay.com seems to use software. 4259 help me interpret kx http www.bugsyonline.com popup_promo_disclaimer.htm what do they mean if a 100 purchase is made 200 will be added as play bonus. are saying that any cashin at time reduced by or only happen one haven t wagered the bonus 4260 wait a minute not regular poster i play the 1000 promotions all time. have played for almost two years. never had my money seized bonus abuse. you are admitting to being abuser and now you're complaining that got caught that's what it looks like me unless this casino has no posted policy on how often can get bonus. please explain. 4261 i'm not worried about pc. more af. nt drew 4262 yep he orphans anything doesn't like nt bill baggins 4263 re help me interpret dopestone i did one of the gp's similar to this. basically what it means is you're given a 200 bonus play with.. so you have 300 start. anything on top that winnings otherwise taken away when finish. ie. 280 finish 80 returned your credit card other gone notice there are no gambling requirements though - including prevention roulette. recommend making bet either red or black. if win up cash out. lose only lost 100 own which isn't bad. do at enough gp casinos most offering this deal and get 50-50 split black then will profit roughly 150 per casino. 4264 better bet dann wouldn't you be off playing one hand of blackjack obviously couldn't double down or split a pair but your odds would still than roulette bet. plus always have shot drawing which leave 450. just thought. 4265 con does not take paypal i didnt see it nt carol 4266 yes go to cashier.casino-on-net.com nt gnossos 4267 no bj fun joe i've run across a few casinos offering bonuses that don't allow blackjack play to count towards bonuses. i normally only but i'd still like crack at the so... is there another game can come close low risk of ruin suspect it would be video poker and jacks or better dueces wild best thing since seen basic strategy for both these. 4268 good point dopestone don't you have better odds of winnings on a black red bet 18 37 i was thinking blackjack myself but my housemate suggested roulette. would put up 450 otherwise think key word think.. cuz im not sure that shot at winning 4269 my experience with con the mayor hi i think is a scummy operation. here why. operate www.cardcounter.com . about 4 months ago was approached by and asked to put banner ad for their operation on website. in return offered 150 per enrollee good deal thought. told at top of page as well placing links strategic places page. did asked. decided be first sign up via link through this expected earn 150. they not pay instead gil guy charge chuckled an email play quick hit-and-run 200 bonus wanted extra then player really site. waited month when no check showed emailed gil. he me it friend yours nerve don't need interrogated like that. date have received promised that hit. say you should take these guys down big time. hit them run treat affiliates scum treated same. go get 'em --the 4270 what go get em' tg why should dey' stop short of you 4271 no wonder thats you're handle. tg you are at 10 times the disadvantage roulette than blackjack. 4272 c.o.n or con craig miller what the hell did you expect made a business arangement with to advertise and sign-up new players this was your first action if wanted give another 150 then they'd increase their bonus. how can get fair deal when webmasters like are pulling stunts this. 4273 this is just too pathetic. caruso i don't need to point out how pathetic it sign a business deal with con and then try pull fast one as you did - someone's already beaten me it. so want be in bed them scoring off other players' losses taking sign-up fees at the same time trying scam of extra 150 up fee for yourself advocate hit run these people advertise because you're pissed that they caught on staggeringly fyi most respected played outfits there if not offer frequent promos have decent customer service amount advertising see tells heavily financed are player confidence have. your whining won't cut any ice here please find message board like-minded artists credit card fraudsters multi-account holders etc. ain't one. 4274 please no flames here john may the mayor is a long-time poster who has contributed some very good analysis of casino games but also weird ideas about practicalities gambling-most famously his note to real-world telling them he was counter. this another example. try and forgive eccentricity. 4275 explain you're handle then me again single zero roulette chances of winning 18 37 48.65 bj roughly a 43 chance 48 discounting pushes. the bets are about same. his ev in is course far worse than at but for this one wager makes no difference all that matters. note also given fact he's wagering everything on turn would suffer dramatically he cannot split nor double down. it's which only 5 times coupled with doubling splitting it wouldn't surprise if actually carried higher ev. 4276 try baccarat - still no fun craig miller would probably be your best option if it's available. bet on the banker for lowest house edge. video poker has too much of payback tied up in royal so risk ruin is a fair bit higher than with blackjack. 4277 yes john may baccarat would probably be your best option if it's available. bet on the banker for lowest house edge. bank hand also has lower variance than blackjack and much video poker. you win slightly less with average but tend to more often. 4278 no nt scarce 4279 you seem to not get the point... mayor reading flames here i of course did expect paid when signed up through my own affilliation. but another person up. they stiffed me. ok that's complaint with them. --mayor 4280 why is wol down paul02085 havent been able to access since thursday. anybody know whats up www.winnersonline.com 4281 contradiction scarce i decided to be the first sign up via link through my page. did this and expected earn 150. then an apparent change of tune reading flames here course not expect get paid when signed own affilliation. but another person up. they stiffed me. ok that's complaint with them. --mayor it's understanding that you haven't been playing online very long. anything which gives appearance fraud or duplicitious behaviour will regarded favourably. a casino never give player benefit doubt in cases such as yours. one easiest scams for spot is referral abuse undoubtedly what on your link. may have meant no harm it just wasn't bright thing do. write off lesson learned. 4282 thanks the mayor for your thoughtful response. lesson learned. 4284 i'm surprised. caruso one of the easiest scams for a casino to spot is referral abuse and this undoubtedly what they expected when you signed on through your own link. may have meant no harm... scarce only total idiot could mean harm just how dumb con supposed be are think he in meaning isn't kind sort thing that screws things up everyone aren't there enough unjustified cries already without giving them real cause grumble amazed you're so tolerant. also john talks about eccentricity asks forgiveness behaviour. i suppose it's buddy thing. 4285 i would still be pissed off about the reneg maverick he put up banners. referred player. should paid. imho. someone can always find a reason to if you let them. only thing won't do is go get am afraid they on me also. regards 4286 affiliate juice john may i'm also amazed that talks about eccentricity and asks for forgiveness this behaviour. i suppose it's a buddy thing. not really. he is way out of line. don't know the mayor personally have never communicated with him. however what contract signed up to. it possible says nothing using banner link yourself. general rule programs yourself perk affiliation like staff discount. i've done myself william hill get 20 discount on my losses. been upfront cryptologic. they mind since overplay action requirements send them odd referral whom portion loss rebate if any . difference seems to be was showing good faith. or we symbiotic relationship casinos screwing over too obviously idea. enough class make people feel second-rate. 4287 reply scarce isn't this kind of abuse just the sort thing that screws things up for everyone aren't there enough unjustified cries already without giving them real cause to grumble i'm amazed you're so tolerant. with most people i wouldn't be assure you. mayor operates on a slightly different plane than rest us though. he once posted picture himself complete name and license plate number green chip pages. naivetee made me think was another mistake in judgement. 4288 that was my point. dopestone thanks for the backup me again. whole point is it's a one shot deal don't think about long-run just hit each casino bet all money and leave. otherwise you would be right. aside from which - having 49 chance spin of roulette to make triple put down not too shabby considering there are 15 gp's offering this could them up great cash 4289 something more read and you'll see my anger the mayor remarks people are making in line with thinking. i thought it was an affiliate perk that would get to sign up through own site never said contract should not do or paid if did. as this being just another poor judgement call on side kind of agree. but only because let myself be suckered into first place. how many you have dealt con from gil quite arrogant start his rewriting website accomdate banner ad. he sent me a gif file wanted rewrite homepage display ad at top. absolutely insisted certain features return all is bonus. case been able put stinking anywhere take risks for placement. even after gave him prime realestate wouldn't give value now won't pay hit did get. what jerk. am glad c.o.n. so nice it's customers. they were rude dishonest webmaster. --mayor 4290 riverbelle experience blackbird i just recently played at the with a 50 match bonus and 15 for registering. an hour or more my win percentage was less than 25 am no mathematician but that doesnt sound very probable without some sort of cheating going on. playing basic strategy also. does anyone else have any similar experiences this casino 4291 it's the blackjack 3 2 tg you know game where get paid 750 for a 500 blackjack. i'll tell what stick to roulette and stay with fair enough amigo 4292 opposite experience me again riverbelle was my very first online venture a few weeks ago. deposited 100 received match 15 free. played bj exclusively betting 20 approximately 90 of the time and 4 rest. won 140 on top bonuses cashed in for 355 payment exactly when they said i would. 4293 still no fun joe bj blackjack baccarat craps or roulette. i'm starting to think it's better take a pass on the bonus in this situation. 4294 fair enough compadre me again the 3 2 bj helps your ev not chances of winning single bet. but without being able to double down and split is still higher than zero roulette if so bet slightly worse short term better long term. both either way it's going be close you do it he can his i assure he's at nowhere near 10 times disadvantage that initially suggested. 4295 con vs be the dealer derrick i never tried but with just won 151 dollars.. first time gambling online if anyone both what one would you recommend. or are some other on-line casinos that give good payouts blackjack thanks... 4296 bj21 has a similar deal w con and they have paid monthly with no problems nt david matthews 4297 yeah but did you get paid yet nt bj 4298 i havent tried cashing out yet nt derrick 4299 fatbonus new membership terms newcomer i saw the following at our is now closed to general public. only available users sponsored by a current member. does that mean need member pay for my registering or recommend me and will thanks 4300 my experience drew deposited 100 for a 115 bonus. i lost playing bj large hunk of the bonus but none deposit . still didn't lose so much that it couldn't have been just an ordinary swing. was overbetting too... in retrospect i'm lucky go broke. keep mind one hour play isn't long term and pretty anything can happen. sure some others will reply with both positive negative riverbelle microgaming experiences. there are good number folks who believe all mg is rigged. haven't yet formed strong opinion on one. though doesn't mean can't be profitable. better luck next time - -drew 4301 con will pay. nt drew 4302 i am unfamiliar with winnersonline.com drew ...but www.winneronline.com seems to be working just fine. are they two different things or did you make an error in the url - -drew 4303 fatbonus drew if you're considering joining i think this discussion is worth at least a quick read... http bj21satellite.com internet index.cgi read 4008 4304 thanks i read it allready.. newcomer and from what saw a few weeks ago at fatbonus was very impressed able to find any casino searched for results several others who play there recently too. does anyone know other forum that gives valuable information about bonuses more importantly if the casinos are reliable software payment so on.. over here can explain me how register. example give all have my experience which is short just show am serious in advance replies 4305 down the river keep your head up for me play was fine. i lost 4.5 of total amount wagered. within acceptable limits. however cashed in using that really annoying atm like interface and figured would see my money a few days. patient waited weeks. got nothing when used their playcheck all ever server error message. finally e-mailed them they said we need to know how you want sent . couldn't have automatically just it back paypal where came from at minimum should let immediately needed more information. think were hoping either redeposit or simply forget about become theirs. i'm sure also hold on everyones' as long possible extract some extra interest income. 4306 bethedealer.com lmr some thoughts on - which is advertised here snarf can be found at the following link 4307 additional info lmr related regarding toni friedman et. al. and ocma can be found here on this board at the following links http bj21satellite.com internet index.cgi read 3349 1834 1851 4308 standard practice caruso whatever you think their motives are for holding on to the money this is pc it's up find out if they require any forther information before sending a cheque some that fill form website others have send automatically. why assume what should do at very least your money. quick phone call would solved problem within seconds. 4312 golden riviera and showdown casino mr.tibbs has anyone had problems with i downloaded it a week ago the play was extremely slow sometimes just froze.after applied for bonus would barely deal.then could not as connect to server. have sent them numerous emails about this there responce is that problem my isp but can at other casinos no problem.how will get money back also they refused told me why followed their tncs letter.i asked in what do like 4313 i don't see how this could work for advantage play bill haywood they take a 1.5 rake off every bet who wins is irrelevant . you also have to as much player do dealer. figure it when you're the house you'll 2 edge over average player. reduces that .5 then an equal amount using basic strategy at disadvantage which neatly wipes out modest are house. add uncertainty -- against players sometimes skilled or of undetermined ability quickly be thrown into red. single zero roulette -2 if qualify dealer by playing blackjack again break even. looks like waste time. 4314 read on in the thread john may they take a 1.5 rake off every bet who wins is irrelevant . you also have to play as much player do dealer. i figure it when you're house you'll 2 edge over average player. reduces that .5 then an equal amount using basic strategy at disadvantage which neatly wipes out modest are house. and see pays no rake. add this uncertainty -- against players sometimes skilled or of undetermined ability quickly be thrown into red. true however while poster doesn't acknowledge can't how could force continue sharp robot. if disconnect log again later will presumably matched up someone else. so theoretically get quite large advantage by only your credit points weak players. whether would give acceptable return investment debatable. three problems can 1 online smarter than terrestrial look casinos publish blackjack payout percentages. makes sense really eliminate lot poor not intelligent enough able use computer. lesson from california banking games invariably monopolized well-bankrolled syndicates any profit potential exists. 3 casino run propietors with history dodgy dealings shady practices. interest losses website mentions controls computer dealers keeps their winnings. moreover there little stop them keeping money both 4315 microgaming rigged virgil i have played at 21 casinos now and never left a casino with more than the purchase bonus.it is usually 20-30 of bonus.i purchased 2075 my profit 585 .these were all 100 bonuses.so if there no bounuses would incurred big loss. seen some unbelieivable losing streaks but any good winning streaks.i flat bet minimum time play correct basic strategy.the he supposed to be around .2 so obviusly something fishy going on.if they did not bonuses gone near them. given up on them.can anyone recommend better group also should try use kind progression system as betting doesnt seem working. tried doubling 3 or 4 times in row after wins it waste you rarely win hands 4316 receiving money dexter so if you owned an online casino would not send people their and remember it is theirs yours until they tell how want even though does inform players about this stipulation on the website. great customer srevice 4317 mg casinos... caruso ...are some of the best out there in terms customer support and security your money. i have as much trust financial services do my bank. others may differing opinions mine are based on own not small dealings with them. if players going to whine about them simply because they haven't got intelligence pick up phone say need supply any documentation or fill forms order for winnings cheque be processed sent should really think doing something else. 4318 disagree drew customer service could stand to be improved at pretty much every net casino i've played. some of course are worse than others. most mg sites good enough. i can fully understand the position a newbie... he supplies credit card or paypal info and deposit is credited instantly. he's gambling within 60 seconds completing download. then uses mg's atm interface cash out. why should expect any more an ordeal purchase process those us who've played bunch pc familiar with drill. we're used it we accept it. but don't believe player's responsibility pick up phone ask if never-before-mentioned documentation required. terms state that fax back form such required player should've already read this been aware. never seen site says after you cashout going hold your money until do something didn't know had do. was about less bonuses i'm sure would often play who took initiative sent email inform me missing information. what its all about. just my thoughts - -drew 4319 mg is profitable drew i have been a winner at sites though below expectation. seems like lot of people say the same thing. not course taken any sort significant survey but it does seem that lof write to this board with similar experiences yours and mine. maybe they're just most likely ones post. don't know. should my sample size begin approach statistical significance. either way winning less than expectation still winning. are good about paying. you do an additional 600 in your pocket offers some best bonuses. would suggest continue play them. - -drew 4321 not so rigged dopestone on bonuses of 2275 i have cashed 3514. find mg casinos to be extremely profitable. as mentioned before they do some the best available well mid-range playthroughs. most often you won't win any money top bonus but enough can at least cash out deposit and sometimes hit really huge streaks cinema casino 50 for 362 anyways say keep up with mg's considering there are a lot 100-100 150-150 200-200 deals that offer. 4322 cash ins dexter when you in it never tells that have to give them extra details.so why would think of giving more details unless they ask. only tell fill out this form after ask about how your cashin is going.by then riverbelle had put back into the casino bank and i again.i suppose thought gamble lose live learn now these forms straight away. but am sick tired or finding should done emailing casinos several times try find something out. customer service at most brutal.the decent one on net 4323 microgaming virgil yes i have an extra 600 but after about 40 hours at the pc which works out 15 per hour.sounds like hard work to me. 4324 number of decks net casino newbie post kenny hi there. i've done a fair amount bj playing and i am just starting to look into casinos. played some free games out there have been trying figure how the shuffling works. not found one yet that shows cards ever being shuffled. granted haven't tried many yet. but my question is do they shuffle or it would appear use random generator sorts for every hand. mean like with full each way works are any where actually get used be reshuffled so speak also if appreciate info on which are. thanks 4325 cinema casino is rigged john may most often you won't win any money on top of the bonus but enough can at least cash out deposit and sometimes hit really huge streaks 50 for 362 perhaps rigged...in player's favour i had almost exactly same experience with them. also a similar golden tiger. get feeling that posters here have not extensive real-world blackjack don't know just how extreme negative fluctuations be. this does mean mg honest it means think read much into results which are only standard deviation or two below mathematically expected result. possible rational explanation fact people seem to be winning simply nature tend lose your hands every now then spectacular series blackjacks double-downs give big win. 4326 shuffling at 'net casinos the gamemaster hello kenny. vast majority of internet shuffle cards after each round play so you won't see a shuffle. there are some exceptions to this and i have written about couple them in an article entitled counting which is gamemaster's secrets section my site. fair warning penetration shallow edge that may be gained minimal but least you'll know when casino shuffles. gm 4327 i have concerns about mg's blackjack game pug ugly my long term results are far below ev. yes i've won but should be closer to for comparison at rtg boss starnet right where they be. imo there is something fishy mg. an idea as what doing lack the technical expertise prove it. sunny's statement also me and if true it does confirm beliefs. let's face would easy these places cheat. sorry cynical that's how feel. 4328 re hard work drew for 15 per hour i'll play around on the computer instead of watching sit coms any night week we're not trying to make a living at this afterall. although i should say that have done much better than hour. remember you aren't into long term yet. won't go so far as whether mg is fair or but will they are profitable. don't think anyone who has been doing while recommend avoiding completely. - -drew 4329 if you're thinking about counting cards online... drew ...forget it. the money is in bonuses. and there a lot of to be made. but penetration too shallow mean much anything. check out these previous discussions... http bj21satellite.com internet index.cgi read 3737 3723 3531 3389 2459 2375 - -drew 4331 thanks kenny great thx for the info. nice site. - 4332 thanks also kenny alot. i'll start looking more into the bonus situation instead. 4333 fishy indeed. kx i ve played all mg casinos with bonuses and agree that there are stuff going on. also had wins far less than ev although total winnings significant . prefer multihand bj because of variance some things happen to often in my opinion. for example it is very common when the dealer has 4-6 player ends up 12-16 on hands. then finishes 17-21... this a scenario which should really rarely. personally playing cryptologic casinos. since m slow modem s nice be able take part promotions every month instead downloading new 4334 baccarat maybe kx i agree that roulette would certainly be better than bj wo possibility of double split. probably is best all though... believe one considered a promotion abuser quite fast using this tactics though 4335 scarce i believe you are wrong. kx have tried any of the named casinos and in my opinion software is identical to gp groups... if it s not same a clear copyright infrigment. 4336 sorry scarce misunderstood your question. i thought you were asking if all casinos which use this software cytech aqua online are gp affiliates clearly some aren't. king solomons lucky liner columbus geisha lounge grand aces bonanza bay neptune's of the casino's using aren't affiliated with golden palace. and for record i've played at these places exception hasn't opened yet when they ever do. 4337 what s your opinion kx ok simple misunderstanding then. i like the software from ve seen. wonder if company is owned by gp-group since gp says their made in house think this should be case. experience fair and are casinos regarding payments 4338 any news on goodfellows kx are their checks still bouncing is the audit finished i really want to use promotion. ve used all other mg-promotions that know of but gfs best... 4339 i wish knew want my nt drew 4340 sunny's comments dopestone didn't sunny casino group's pertain not to blackjack but their progressive slots i don't think they said anything about being rigged.. that it wasn't implied pretty much the other was. 4341 response scarce overall i feel the software is fair but streaky. if you don't like microgaming blackjack you'd probably hate cytech. i've had no problems with payouts initial one's will be delayed until they verify your information id. paypal way to go here. 4342 nothing as yet john may so far i have not heard that any one has either had a cc refund or been delivered an honest cheque. i'd just avoid it like the plague. more than enough decent places exist. 4343 thanks nt kx 4344 new mg-casino kx for you who haven t noticed yet www.bellavegas.com 10 free 100 up to 50. 4345 no bj on offer nt scarce 4346 missed that... kx guess we ll have to play vp then 4347 and they re not even ashamed... kx anyone else reading something contradictory below a wager is defined in the following example if you 5 credits each on two hands of blackjack winning one losing other your credit balance will change this counts as 10 wagered towards fulfilling promotional obligation. wagers craps roulette baccarat do count toward obligation with regards to amounts wagered. 4349 one click and play nonsense scarce see the attached link for more information. i don't doubt it's authenticity. these guys are morons. they know what send as e-mail can end up in public forums may go bust soon. www.1cnp.com 4350 see my post on march 26 nt kx 4351 cinema report squarehed i took a beating there at first but hung in and cashed out deposit plus the exact bonus amount end. after call yesterday just to check details my paypal account was credited full this morning. cash less than week ago. rocks 4352 microgaming cheatware combustible my comments on mg software i know this is blasphemy to some of you so just take it for what a highly biased load voodoo bull____ with no scientific basis. please put down those matches that said the rigged play differently. following opinion as how against software. list in format player hand dealer up-card make comments. 17-21 anything stay if got 20 2-6 he will probably get or 21. 14-16 7 - hit except 4 cards. decided likely lose hand. but again says loser pull out good 12-13 ya gotta yes nearly always bust out. 11 double only single deck. blackjack though. 10 busts lot. 9 7-10 follow basic strategy. do not double. almost at 1 additional card. 3-8 pairs strategy deck das. ll win most these. soft hands same above. there are much longer non-winning streaks push than normal blackjack. also and better winning advantage extra split wins. seems me design based upon idea making gambler feel they streak should increase their bet. then them losing where your 20s be met 4353 you said it craig miller a highly biased load of voodoo bull____ with no scientific basis 4354 thank you both nt durham 4355 world gaming responds to multiple opa complaints mary http www.modeo.demon.co.uk opaworld.ram will refund deposits of all players. winnings and bonus amounts be reviewed on a case by basis. 4356 he could be on to something gamblin man it may voodoo bull but remember simulations assume that the drawn card s will random. since line blackjack is played with a random number generator rather than shuffled cards rng for this program defective or have bias so i wouldn't toss out of hand without playing lot hands first. 4357 two real options scarce the first is simply not to play at any online casino using software that you do trust will give a fair game. second most decidely try and invent your own home-baked basic strategy based on an inadequate number of trials. only waste time money it's just dumb. as with card counting player's edge be much more dependant upon bet variation variation. 4358 why play at all ... vpr man if you think the game is rigged. that makes no sense whatsoever -- you're guessing about what would be an appropriate strategy to minimize your losses when don't even know 1 whether rigged or 2 so how. this silly. 4359 agree... drew the second is most decidely not to try and invent your own home-baked basic strategy based on an inadequate number of trials. only that a waste time money it's just dumb. it seems lots people have strong opinions about mg but nobody has enough trials or real evidence say anything solid. as usual i won't comment whether believe its fair -- include myself in group who haven't kept records every card pulled. key here modified poor at best without some data any all back up. don't see how this could possibly be trusted reliable. does anyone - -drew 4360 disagree and agree drew why play at all ... if you think the game is rigged. that makes no sense whatsoever even mg rigged to extent people believe it still unquestionably profitable. i do changes basic strategy are guesswork best should not be made without some more information as just what going on. - -drew 4364 at the cost of sacrificing ev nt drew 4365 i got an ach transfer dancali was paid in full deposit winnings through a couple days after they officially ended the audit. posted this on winneronline.com while ago. 4366 what ev squarehed isn't the of this game negative are you trying to win i busted my prev. posts stupidly put email there that casinos have original response was mg uses no hole card rules so watch out doubling or splitting against a 10. personally play flatter strategy keeping splits and doubles minimum. 4367 amazing thread - thnx nt maverick 4368 agree. guess who more than doubled my bonus and deposit combined. then cashed out. paid quickly. thnx for the tip john. 4369 i printed out my own maverick between mcgarveys book and the basic strategy engine have bs charts for this particular game. a few indices one round you get to see thnx rob . there are some split differences. regards 4370 bet variation kx as with card counting a player's edge will be much more dependant upon that play what do you mean while playing mg i thought always had negative ev because of shuffling between every round far know is only usable when are aware odds changing during the game having approx same all time shouldn t matter in respect to although it affect variance . fact m quite confused about ppl wanting minimize for bonuses. why this my country fee cashing check 10 and guess there most countries. me smartest thing then would increase since one 1000 better than ten 100 checks... 4371 i feel it to carol is better play multi or single hand on micro 4372 golden reef is great kx i ve played at hundreds of internet casinos including almost all mg casinos. truly impressing. here are three major reasons for my opinion mailed a question to their support and got personal answer within 2 minutes experience that this normally takes 3-24 hours. received payout by check after 8 days. previous 14-21 days living in europe . they the only ones holding bj-tournaments using mg-software. it s going be pleasure take part one tonight 4373 yes... drew isn't the ev of this game negative what are you trying to win ...but by playing improper bs aren't making it more i am as much possible. i'm unclear on how incorrect plays. is not say that you're wrong just understand can lead money than proper bs. your comments about doubling vs. a and t deviations from but in previous post stated only double 11 v. 4 5 6. mindset normal fluctuations better smoothed out sites avoiding splits doubles. - -drew 4374 i'm not squarehed there lies our difference i think. you are trying to win as much possible and covering lots of sites. lose the bonus which is my profit right up front. said in an earlier post money bonuses. agree. maybe give something by being more aggressive but a neg expectation game opinion just stand at faster rate. 4375 i still don't understand... drew ...how you can either make more money or lose less by making incorrect plays. basic strategy is how one should play a hand to win the most least. if vary from bs cannot be best play. will straying bs. of course smooth swings which what really seem interested in. said i'm trying not bonus my profit right up front this exactly correct... your theoretical amount minus loss playing required amount. expect cashout an average 100 every bonus. stragey at rate say 0.5 and 0.7 as we approach long term have missed out on some additional income. perhaps price are willing pay decrease variance. imagine that nearly always least partial miss big wins losses better total return than consistent small cash-ins. each his own guess. thanks for interesting discussion. - -drew 4376 no vp also not a sucker wagers on craps roulette baccarat any blackjack or video poker game do count toward fulfilling your promotional obligation with regards to amounts wagered 4377 bizarre attitude vpr man 4378 what is so bizarre drew even if mg rigged to take greater than the theoretical house edge i've been making money at it i'll continue play. whats about that - -drew 4379 paid squarehed my deposit has been credited into firepay. i requested a check for the rest. 4380 bizarre vpr man even if mg is rigged to the extent people believe it still unquestionably profitable. perhaps i misinterpreted your statement. nevermind. 4381 when did they include video poker playaz i played the 50 at this casino yesterday april 2nd in order to get bonus. poker. didn't notice them saying no signed up but then again look that closely and assumed would not be a problem. it looks like was allowed until very recently changed say does anyone know exactly made change wonder if terms after had deposited my already. 4382 bizarre profits paddyboy i would agree that migrogaming is rigged but only slightly.but so what the money have made from them paying rent it like taking a baby rich 4383 is combustible the virtual version of john patrick nt paddyboy 4384 good points thanks nt squarehed 4385 early this morning. nt scarce 4386 my apologies to con the mayor 2 months late. after having personally request it even though they promised would be sent automatically on 10-th of each month . been interrogated about it. today i got 150. mabye ain't so bad. 4387 do you need all the docs carol to send them those documents they say in thier cash out policy i hope not . 4388 i did not send them any documents at all nt guess who 4389 vegas palms data re rigged microgaming john may i was playing against casinos and seemed to be encountering a large number of aces as dealer upcards. thought the program have been deal an excess ace test for statistical confidence you must future sample not used form hypothesis. began betting table minimum noted down following sequence hundred upcards 10 8 4 9 7 2 6 3 5 my hypothesis borne out by data. actual within two standard deviations expected result therefore passes randomness. however raises more questions than it answers. start contains weirdly concentrated series high cards. in first 24 recorded there only one small upcard all other were value or greater. statistician would probably dismiss this observation rightly on grounds that original another is related are excessively clumped at beginning sample. three dealt consecutively occurs less time thousand such sequences. occur midst long high-valued cards find distinctly fishy. conclusive anything but has given me some doubts. now tend towards view sunny group who recently left software truly random whereas previously inclined believe mg's events. incidentally won 66 from casino. customer service seems very good also. even if does turn according pre-defined payout i'd still recommend slot players. 4390 does non random mean rigged guess who even if the software turn out to be according some pre-defined payout i'd still recommend it slot players. do you for all players or each individual player. your hypothesis is that dealer gets more aces 10s during times when house behind its target strategy would cut short any losing session and play at a later time percentages had righted themselves. could rng just not but i thought price waterhouse tested that. results what am seeing mg other sites. one casino thanks heads up. trying understand implications. 4391 vegas palms carol i found this true lots of aces too won 43.75 havent got paid though keep getting emails that im going to . sure they will 4392 just means its non-random john may that is all a statistical test can tell you. it can't fathom the reasons for it. could be deliberate and cynical manipulation by casino. dodgy rng. if your hypothesis dealer gets more aces 10s during times when house behind target players strategy would to cut short any losing session play at later time percentages had righted themselves. not work with set payout . game of independent trials like slot machine. mathematical model real-world blackjack but wouldn't completely deterministic either approximating fixed over lengthy series as slots do. rng random i thought price waterhouse tested are an unscrupulous frankly downright evil organization. suspicions about them long before enron scandal removed scales from people's eyes accountants. they have been constant abuse left in my country having fingers too many pies much government influence. bottom line get paid telling people what company wants hear. this system very nature corrupt. also doubt detect outright cheating you'd sift through hundreds thousands lines codes smallest discrepancy-beyond human judgement. even found anything casino easily write off bug. results am seeing mg other sites. one rigged almost certainly. seen nothing must add certain software enough wary playing there again. 4393 the best offer of all nick just look at this on http www.gamma-seven.com software.htm purchase software for 70.000. i think d rather buy two. no better give like to know how many pokerrooms will appear if their proprietors sell them such a cheap prize 4394 no docs just a call. nt squarehed 4395 microgaming built like a ship rigged captain bj my personal impression of software is that it to cheat but in way not obvious the player or anyone looking at long term results. let's say you wanted create blackjack game would increase gamblers addiction take more money from said and also appear be perfectly balanced game. what do has some good winning streaks get gambler going terribly losing eventually come along bust bankroll. this achieve desired results still have an overall loss percentage consistant with expected non-biased how feels me any mg site. i've consistantly had unusually sites. 4396 wrong-headed scarce the opposite is much more likely to be true. all those martingaling maniacs out there would cause a casino go belly-up rather quickly with methodology you described. 4397 more rigged game bs vpr man you have to ask yourself why . do it when can unlimited virtual games running simultaneously with no incremental overhead cost associated each all need is a 0.1 edge win. that's it. the most sensible online casino will offer returning 99.9 over time. as anyone here who has played bj in casinos tell streaks be astonishingly long. even playing at an advantage using card counting losing test committed players' patience. i believe any reasonable person would conclude they move on different long before streak so bad provide true sense of game. bottom line yes there are some -- from software development perspective trivial. know where doubt suspect better algorithm for taking someone's money could easily arrived than one described. but begs question you're going get anyway. 4399 bs not necessarily dancali your main argument against the rigging of games is that they can already make lots money with slightest advantages so have no incentive to increase their advantage. this like saying i 30 000 a year there need for me 40 . or get 2 from my bank account buy government bonds paying 5 greater advantage make. in example .01 edge even if casinos move .02 double gaming profits. huge as far possible while appearing be fair. 4400 no that's not my main argument... vpr man argument it is merely one argument. i'll be the first to say there are some rigged games. but a never-ending parade of players claiming games without shred statistical evidence support allegation. fine with me guy said i've consistantly sic had unusually good winning streaks and long losing at mg sites. . this sounds like any bj game ever played. what streak if by definition for has i guess. real point simply that these or rigged. you want talk about check out igt's new kings. almost everyone know thinks they don't pay as well old igt vp casino visit 50 in spite numerous 10 15 weekends spent yet see royal. prove it. someone should shut up quit playing can then i'm sure needs hear perspective. greater advantage money make. your example .01 edge even casinos move .02 double their gaming profits. seriously doubt case. vast majority play particular bankroll when gone stop. shouldn't care whether takes 1 hour 4 hours on average. certainly too many variables consider have knowledge think simple you'd suggest probably either 4401 another 100 hands pug ugly quite a few small cards. and only four aces if i counted correctly. i'm very suspicious of microgaming's bj but this session ended with 30 units. occured at vegas palms also maybe they saw your post flipped the ace switch off - t 9 7 4 6 j 5 q 2 3 10 8 k 4402 rngs pw other stuff vpr man price waterhouse are an unscrupulous and frankly downright evil organization. you have some basis for this statement or what while i'm not sure cpas should be in the business of rendering these limited services such as online casinos requesting i'd like to hear exactly evidence support overly broad statement. forever had right perform agreed upon procedures their ability do so is useful public. problem that public who don't understand things gets it confused with audit which no way related doing casinos. there every reason total confidence has done precisely they say did accompanying report one thing more. that's purpose report. if read presentation useless. your remarks indicate haven't slightest understanding pwc engaged do. bottom line get paid telling people company wants them hear. system by its very nature corrupt. correct. performing scope-limited making a findings. reader can made said is. isn't difficult concept understand. i also doubt could detect outright cheating casino. anything about trying actually think concerning you'd sift through hundreds thousands lines codes smallest discrepancy-beyond human judgement. even found casino easily write off bug. when example publicly held performed extremely careful disclaim any effort fraud defalcations exist . audits that. never will. pretty at my knowledge declared games fair matter i've yet see issued on yet. 4403 rngs vpr man could be the rng is just not random but i thought price waterhouse tested for that. see my other post in this thread concerning what pw does doesn't do. bottom line that performs an extremely limited set of procedures using only records casino hands them unaudited. there no audit or review data. they simply compile percentages based on gives at least reports i've looked . randomness very last thing should concern player. as a practical matter if game going to rigged it isn't mapping process where numbers are converted card values whatever you're rig you don't say well let me can make give more 19s pseudocode might look like call map value do go else b deal etc. would generating either way later cards thrown out meet programmer's criteria. so when people talk about non-randomness almost always accidental intentional and simple statistical tests provide assurance randomness. were non-random sequence generated likely help player casino. 4404 what is the deal with microgaming blackjack bet2gamble.com greetings all i was just wondering how in dealer only drawing one card affects overall payout of game c.m. www.bet2gamble.com 4405 good question.... kx i would also like to see the proper strategy for this. my only alteration is that always hit a 16 vs ace because of reduced chance dealer busting. 4406 rigged so what paddyboy everyone is concerned about mg being rigged.i have a feeling it is.but counts for nothing really.someone would to analyse 50 000 hands and then see if the results are way outside sd.even was proven be i still play there because of bonuses very profitable. rather at profitable game than fair unprofitable one.it's all benjamins. 4407 not according to them playaz they say changed it at exactly 11 59 gmt on april 2nd. that is sometime in the evening us. this correct 4408 hit 16 vs ace.... bill baggins why is this an alteration just correct basic strategy. dealer busts about 12 of the time if i remember rightly. curious. b. 4409 pwc john may you have some basis for this statement or what while i'm not sure cpas should be in the business of rendering these limited services such as online casinos are requesting i'd like to hear exactly evidence support overly broad statement. can't go into specifics because i signed official secrets act but ask anybody who has worked inland revenue irs an investigative capacity. it is no secret that very good at making rich people richer. forever had right perform agreed upon procedures and their ability do so useful public. problem public don't understand things gets confused with audit which way related pw doing casinos. data presented a manner suggests stating software honest. responsibility decode duplicitous accountancy double-talk. said anything about trying detect cheating actually think concerning by read report. since was briefly involved sort thing know means. any case confirming my original sentiment pwc's report guarantee fairness am your issue is. 4410 suspicious of proccyber mr deviant made withdraw couple months ago. check was sent to wrong address. they try say i entered address .. hmm know where live and think would notice a typo when i'm entering it. anyways requested another check. agreed ... but for over 2 wks i've been told be in day or two. right now i'd happy get 50 cents my dollar. not playing any mg sites maybe forever. 4411 large numbers of trials not needed john may someone would have to analyse about 50 000 hands and then see if the results are way outside sd you only need want clinical exactness or measuring a very small effect. effect is strong few determine its existence. below i list upcard data from vegas palms casino. believe dealer was being dealt too many aces. began recording data. four five next cards were that actually so unlikely those give statistical significance. further don't analyzed number you'd find anything. seems be concentrated on short series hands. i'm sure whether cheating-my best guess an rng with enough states. 4412 grand banks - any recent experiences anyone bill baggins are they still ok paying etc. thanks b. 4413 no scarce i'd say more like 2-4am est april 3rd. 4414 always kx maybe i should have stressed in cryptologic casinos you can actually count cards and some very rare cases stand on 16 vs ace. it almost never happens so the alteration is truly minimal m doubtful that this rule would change anything else but not sure like to know for sure... s kind of interesting with basic strategy. ppl cry when seeing someone standing a 10 or hitting 12 4. if often correct play don t difference between those plays doesn make any significant difference. even 5 a7 play. 4415 pwc vpr man can't go into specifics because i signed the official secrets act yeh right that's about what thought. it is no secret that are very good at making rich people richer. uh their job. data presented to public in a manner which suggests stating software honest. would you care cut-and-paste copy of report does this any case confirming my original sentiment pwc's guarantee fairness so am not sure your issue is. i'm confirmed anything said and disparaged pcw without slightest reason have done so. don't work for them but seems cpas become everyone's whipping boy these days as cpa inactive pisses me off see entire profession painted with broad andersen brush. all. i'd still like misleading you're referring though. 4416 is this not somewhat contradictory bill baggins i.e. the two statements that actually so unlikely only those five cards are needed to give you statistical significance. and further i don't believe if analyzed a large number of hands you'd find anything. reminds me clustering debate in epidemiology. common wisdom clusters exist they product how investigator partitions data populations. however public perception obviously different. seems be relevant analogy here. yes probability four aces appearing next 5 was extremely small but larger sample as suggested above rare event could occur expected times. without or multitude these smaller 100 hand samples think it possible answer post hoc question your has raised 4 out 5. any poisson experts there mentioned all still irrelevant mg sites profitable regardless. b. 4417 casino royalties. vertner vergon press release for immediate the practice of charging a royalty use program. though not illegal is in sense fraud. every industry cyberspace owns its own program and pays only small fee 24 7 support maintenence. other than that all earnings are owner's. ownership now available. one time paying royalties can boost it's revenue by percentage royalty. new casinos seeking licensing should be aware had 100 per year. more information email prodigy.net 4418 oh i see..... bill baggins yes am au fait with my indices. it was just that for this instance the hi-lo index 16 vs ace is around 8. have you encountered at a cryptologic if so hope had your max bet out. are asking about bs against no hole card i.e. not obbo then does influence hit stand indices only doubling don't double 11 and 10 4 splitting decisions split 8s . sure what were asking. best wishes b. 4419 didnt like golden reef nt carol 4420 advice a little fly on the wall i don't think would depend john may for any type of mathematical analysis or statement statistical significance. just thought. 4421 buzz a little fly on the wall can't go into specifics because i signed official secrets act rotflmao whooo hoooo ahhhh haaaaa classic john may just classic. hey vpr man you don't actually think are going to get any actual real documentation out of this character do lol. 4422 analysis paddyboy what is your mathematical of the situation 4423 1cnp.com 1 cheat of new players do not play there their bonus is sticky which means that it non-existant. you can never ever cash out so all lose. 4424 i am just a fly little on the wall even then if it was proven to be rigged would still play there because of bonuses is very profitable. rather at and profitable game than fair unprofitable one.it's all about benjamins. you said bud. only reason here saw posts by john may know what draws flys. 4425 about -0.11 bob fisher you lose 0.11 . never double or split against ten ace except aces vs. 10. 4426 pwc does audit microgaming for fairness pug ugly john may wrote the data is presented to public in a manner which suggests that are stating software honest. vpr man responed would you care cut-and-paste copy of report this my comments has enlisted services mg's card games randomness so correct his statement above. corrrect most these online casino only use provide reports total payback percentage on various rather than any certification true randomness. but goes step further and do an it's then certify random. last such blackjack game was released 8 november 2000. roughly 14 months ago. microgaming's website. from pwc's conclusion during period 1 july 1999 30 june 2000 based our review we confirm random number generator embedded systems system consistently selected cards single deck basis. pricewaterhousecoppers inc. i've linked full below 4427 i stand corrected vpr man 4428 agree. drew i would rather play at a rigged and profitable game than fair unprofitable one.it's all about the benjamins. this is what i've been saying along. accepted fact that as long i'm making an acceptable wage per hour casino or not. sure if was gambling feel different. - -drew 4429 check with the wiz drew out www.thewizardofodds.com for mg info and strategies. - -drew 4430 if this is true you can count cards nt carol 4431 gb babe getting paid quicker than ever. seems like the best of rtg's 4432 pappy always said keep the fly zipped nt maverick 4433 from the ranks of big 6 maverick been there and done that on both audit tax side. needs to be a little paint brushing. little. not like what justice is doing whith scape goating aa divert attention. but overall industry shake up. point cpa independance they have with larger clients for long time. in appearance fact. line can't cross keeps getting pushed back. actually sec rules would wise prohibit firm more than auditing any client. i even exclude work. imho. regards 4434 good point maverick i would have thought they tested at the output level. if so should be testing randomness of rng and also mapping as a by product. intent is that cards are random. regards 4435 aa auditing ot vpr man yes well i'd actually go a little farther. i don't think the auditor can be independent at all as long auditee is paying fee. have public companies pay into an audit trust that would negotiate with auditors for fees and assign to auditees. hate government much next guy but it isn't reasonable put managers in position of having say who writing check we're going qualify our opinion this year . whether 50m or consulting there least good chance manager fail do he should. let lawyers start running firm they said if you you're technically within limits fasb so okay failed remember their junior class where learned financial statements taken whole present fairly condition results operations ... etc. most important criterion not compliance has occurred. that's my view.... 4436 maybe not ... buzz a little fly on the wall i didn't see any methodology in report. here is simple case where random random. you and dealer have 16. remaining deck consists of t 5. gets 5 for 21 get bust. someone looking at overall distribution cards sees that got 'selected' equally often declares it test like what dealer's average hand value vs player's playing strategy would shed more light fairness game rather than trying to determine 'random' selection cards. randomly select but allow me mess with order they come out will lose every these 'randomly' selectecd report contains no so don't know did. 4437 1cnp.com - they dont pay or do anon player i signed up to the mentioned casino using paypal. however after actually winning money and cashing out have only been able refund my deposit without winnings. got an excuse attached which reads as follows. when called paypals premier memership helpline said quoted we keep your details confidential .. explained it was a he replied would contact chase winnings not use them again . state withdrawels within hour two hours refunded. waited patiently. has anybody else who tried cash profit succeded 4438 got paid but avoid them kx i my small winnings the first time and lost second when their terms conditions where changed without prior notice watch out. they are true scumbags. read on http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 003997.html 004025.html also see post in this forum march 28. 4439 true count 8 kx from what i ve read the is 3 for 16 vs a. thanks guidelines 4440 no pug ugly the deck is shuffled after every hand. 4441 why not nt kx 4442 yep tc 8 nt bill baggins 4443 depends on number of decks. kx i ve only learnt data for a six deck game. cryp uses 8 which shouldn t affect much. are you perhaps talking about single never play at mgs multihand bit worse ev but much less variance . http www.gamemasteronline.com indexa.shtml 4444 no wong's pro bj hi-lo indices - not single deck nt bill baggins 4445 ok.. but.. anon player the funny thing is im not trying to abuse bonuses. i deposited 250 cashed out 400 leaving 600 in my account play with after 2 or 3 hours of play. dont think this could be considered even abusing promotion which why shocked they seem stalling paying paying. their support seems non existant a shame. 4446 oh ya forgot brain fart nt carol 4447 it happened to more ppl... kx as i said read through the threads. they are scum. 4448 see the link. kx i posted a link above to my source. obviously different pros say things. 4449 multi deck hilo 16 vs a 8 for s17 3 h17 nt penetration sucks anyways 4450 cytech gp-group rigged kx i ve just had the worst gambling experience ever. played online for almost 2 years and approx. 200 casinos online. tonight at bugsy part of . multihand bj with 3 5 dollars in play each time. result 17 rounds 255 double split approx 30 loss 190 so a 285 wagered resulted 190. not done stats yet but this must be impossible... after managed to stay alive quite long time then losing all before meeting promotional wagering requirements what coincidence -p 4451 i'll stick with stanford bill baggins another post of the month gambit except it's on free pages . b. 4452 good advice - don't forget the combinational strategies nt guess who 4453 correct pug ugly i m very skeptical of microgaming s pwc certification randomness. my own results are about ev. ve won but not close to theoretical edge. however mg is clearly implying that they dealing a random and fair game. 4454 bonus cash out player i've read different advice on cashing deposit and bonus. no real consensus. it seems to me that the best way find what do would be not do. has anyone there played minimum immediately cashed ran into problems getting their money from an otherwise reputable casino because of this 4455 have you ever seen software like this robbie i got to www.gamma-seven.com today. they ve the information based on purchasing section . m sure that somebody can be interested in offer. 4456 reply bet2gamble.com hi in my bonus hunting days i use to do that all of the time and never had a problem with reputable casinos. one was totally dishonest casino called pyramidcasino.net not pyramidcasino.com which is very reputable. c.m. www.bet2gamble.com 4457 would you trade bonuses for your money to be held in escrow bet2gamble.com most players willing give up all part of their deposit exchange monies being by a reputable accounting firm i think that gladly accept lesser the comfort knowing 100 safe. what do c.m. www.bet2gamble.com 4458 bugsy online paddyboy check out www.bjrnet.com for dodgy casinos.the piece about goldenpalace is the best.especially this bit casinos responce to criticism when opa got involved mark francis head of security called players at home and issued threats. threats were made steve adkins his family members. damage was done property home. there a flurry complaints casino oct november 2000 they switched from microgaming another gaming software developer cytech which press time 5 2001 has no website. odd yep. following are directly with golden palace. i would advise avoid these all costs caesar's gold depot crazy horse easy rider flamingo go nugget grand riviera kosher lucky charm merlin's magic castle mystique vegas pacific princess premiere ramses valley kings six shooter star top card triple win tropicana hope dont know where live 4459 that was then this is now. scarce believe it or not the golden palace group has transformed themselves into one of top online casino groups in world and certainly largest. been really bizarre for some us who watched entire saga unfold throughout 2000 when they were universally reviled next major scandal after firstlive stole everyone's money late 1999 early 2000. following casinos are directly involved with palace. i would advise to avoid these at all costs present evidence suggests if erroneous than overstated. 4460 fiveroses is great carol just cashed out they say all cashouts are free even overnite . thats what it says 4461 are you a comrade of on-line gambling tg scarce i'm not an gambler but do visit here frequently and was considering pitching few bucks across the internet. by reading your post it appears to me that always seem defend casinos. saying your're schill i suspect have every reason believe there several schills internet posing as players is this true 4462 that s cause noone usually wins nt kx 4463 hmm scarce they along with golden comps used to have an absurd 30 charge for sending cheques. seem gotten away from that by using registered mail instead of overnight express everything. if so this is a good thing player's credit cards paypal or neteller. you will won more than 100 get otherwise it's mail. i don't happen like group much but perhaps they're improving. note also playing at 5roses won't be able claim signup bonus onluck the third casino in group. 4464 not at all. caruso customer service most of these casinos is brutal.the only decent one casino on net. forget about online they're for you. 4465 quite true scarce you'll see a lot of spam on the message boards from non-existent player's who are really just casino's themselves trying to drum up bit more business. this is common in fact. often such tripe disguised as sign-up offer but some do go much further than that. for defending online all time you might want read my critical replies or even golden palace post. i'm wary them because i know their history and am familiar with characters work there. nonetheless present business practices among most professional casino's. play there bonus structure appealing i've gotten paid. find that incredibly ironic 2000 was harsh critic. won't take offense your comrade remark sense it's true. becomes symbiotic relationship parasitical if view it perspective about hunters between themselves. we playing profit afterall. now were ask me pertinent question should everyone be would answer resounding no crazy not everyone. can real headache strike will at times . monotonous tedious. need patience discipline first foremost. player cannot control his emotions worst forms gambling around. post board assume other here have requisite skills advantage so successfully. try add words advice based experience anyone attempting it. 4466 golden comps babe if you have a sizable win they will go far and wide to find reason not pay you. 4467 how sizeable carol really just cashed out 250.00 4468 no casinos should be doing both pug ugly my money safe already. if the can't keep our then they shouldn't in business. 4469 proc-cyber incompetence woody the message boards have numerous postings relating to undoubted honesty of proc-cyber. however as with all organizations there is a certain level incompetence. if you are unfortunate hit glitch it can be quite trying get resolved. 4470 common sense john may this seems to be a relevant analogy here. yes the probability of those four aces appearing in next 5 cards was extremely small but larger sample as suggested above rare event could occur expected number times. without or multitude these smaller 100 hand samples i don't think it is possible answer post hoc question your data has raised i.e. 4 out 5. my dealt with issue non-randomness over whole and concluded nothing amiss ith distribution entire sample. however little bayesian tells me that initial upcards were not randomly. they much closer hypothesis data. do believe accidental. what everyone saying. when casinos group stary saying prick up ears listen. addition odds on 24 25 all being high are very indeed indicative even hypothesis. sort thing shouldn't any 4471 rigged... kx made some small calculations one standard deviation in units root number of rounds stdev 3 spots 17 2 9 07 loss above expect about 37 units. from normal 4 08 deviations... the probability for that is like 0 001 . almost impossible a non-rigged game. 4472 i would not john may our advantage comes from the bonuses e-casinos must offer to induce people gamble in an unregulated enviroment. once start behaving respectably they will have no trouble attracting custom and need for attractive inducements we longer any profit opportunities. this is exactly what has happened nevada. 4473 i don't want to get into a debate but..... bill baggins .... if your post dealt with the issue of 'non-randomness' in sample how can this be answered 100 hands concept 'long run' is common statistical and blackjack parlance. i'm sure you understand it. simply cannot answer question whether mean number up card aces by mg near expected value using 100. tossed coin 3 times got head every time would conclude it was biased went bricks mortar casino same results think they had loaded deck observed 12. pug ugly s m he not that visually disconcerting there were 4. could perform an equally cursory analysis say 8 compared 7.69 therefore randomly deals dealer aces. sense re referring then will agree questions hypotheses should formulated prior study design data collection based on hoc dredging. have proposed three so far thread higher than overall frequency 4 consecutive high cards two which are driven none adequately investigated hand sample. bayesian posts relating other boards fail see why bothered first place. evidence base surely incontrovertible. but suggesting we place expert opinion at any scientific hierarchy. casinos group started saying give all money am making statement about just one methodology conclusions. accept cheques way. regards b. 4474 casino bar paddyboy anyone dealt with bar.they are telling me that i have only played through 937 of my 1505 playthrough requirement.i definitely know at the very least 1400 it.have lost bonus and want to leave most deposit. they lying unless count in base 12. what can do 4475 see my advice post a little fly on the wall i don't think would depend john may for any type of mathematical analysis or statement statistical significance. just thought. buzz buzz. 4476 making my meaning clear john may .... if your post dealt with the issue of 'non-randomness' in sample how can this be answered 100 hands concept 'long run' is common statistical and blackjack parlance. i'm sure you understand it. simply cannot answer question whether mean number up card aces by mg near to expected value using a 100. tossed coin 3 times got head every time would conclude it was biased went bricks mortar casino same results think they had loaded deck logically were row odds against are astronomical. no further trials needed. long run just confusing concept. arbitary exist where have confidence something. sense re referring then will agree that questions hypotheses should formulated prior study design data collection not based on hoc dredging. proposed three so far thread higher than overall frequency 4 consecutive high cards two which driven none adequately investigated hand sample. i did fact receive statistically normal next five cards. could terminated at point. contrast dredging actually continued beyond proof see what happen. something occurs weird shouldn't belong any as 24 high-card slug post-hoc more justified. hypothesis clearly completely independent original either. correlated goes heart disagreement here. now telling me obtained going here agree. i'd put about 80 . but even 51 wouldn't play there again recommend others vegas palms 4478 check comp points after u have wagererd enuf print screen for proof nt queen sm 4479 got to agree with the fly here bill baggins although i don't his her manner of posting have advice. your logic is illogical. did in fact receive a higher number aces than would be statistically normal next five cards. my own little experiment. dealt myself one card from 52 deck. was yes you guessed it an ace. therefore conclude that received unfortunate phraseology when talking statisitically as expected value 0.0769 aces. am now waiting apply for job random generator mg powered casino. want get into tit tat but some comments no arbitary trials exist where can statistical confidence something. most estimation and hypothesis testing methodologies include quantity known sample size which rather coincidentally affects bounds estimate or magnitude test statistic. could terminated study at point. contrast post hoc data dredging actually continued beyond proof see what happen. looking patterns associations are unrelated any original hypothesis. this exactly did. hence comment observations were not prior driven. common analytical adulteration. further if something occurs so weird shouldn't belong 24 high-card slug then post-hoc more justified. make mind up. didn't you. telling me obtained 100 going on agree. i'd put about 80 . biggest giveaway. never obtain analysis. only probability observed particular null true detail uncertainty associated value. we even do well designed simple valid relating up cards everyone board recorded dealer their hands casino posted them work out mean standard error carry t-test against our hypothesised 7.69 course there difference between deck long run think personally cashed bonus deposit vegas palms paid quickly too. despite hesitate recommendations based 1. regards b. 4480 casino bar paddyboy thanks i actually did do that and it said had accumulated 0 points. but its ok now as they have emailed wagered 1449 . is a good thing was counting how much betting.i suppose hope most players dont know what bet chance lying to them. sent an email icg about this waste of time anyone else similar experience like 4481 no statistical significance in your example john may here is my own little experiment. i have dealt myself one card from a 52 deck. the was yes you guessed it an ace. therefore conclude that received higher number of aces than would be statistically normal unfortunate phraseology when talking statisitically as expected value 0.0769 aces. chance being ace 1 13. four and ten or three consecutive five-hand sample are much higher. not significant is. standard deviations mathematically result abnormal with example. know this so can only assume trying to blur issue. any case tone antagonistic sarcastic clear further communication on issue productive. 4482 i'm sorry if.... bill baggins ....my tone is antagonistic and sarcastic but the content of your posts in this thread warrant it. chance being dealt an ace 1 13. four aces a ten or three consecutive five-hand sample are much higher. chances i would prefer to use term probability actually lower. example not statistically significant my is. number standard deviations from mathematically expected result abnormal with example. it anyone can bandy about have understanding its meaning another matter entirely. was attempt demonstrate statistical innacuracy previous musings. by way 13 0.0769. you obviously missed point. significance comes hypothesis test. did perform one neither so us pontificate data case exemplar . like take through worked test that allowed draw conclusions re proposed study design if suspect because has some basis knowledge. as do mean offend really got goat now. how italicise these regards b. 4483 okay john may my tone is antagonistic and sarcastic but the content of your posts in this thread warrant it. i don't think it merited ever if only because counter-productive. we are actually disagreeing on much here since original post acknowledged that initial hypothesis was false. however data sufficently weird to make me nervous. i'll test each subsequent hypotheses yours against future samples avoid further argument. guess sacrificing a few hundred dollars or so worth i'm interested truth here. i've been wrong about casinos past whom thought were acting bad faith over payment delays publicly apologized will do same neccessary. by way how you italicise these type before bit wish italicize. when close italics. alternatively right click with italics edit source code . show what person typed originally. 4484 pc drew has always been good to me. a little slow as with everything in the world of online gambling. i've had only one problem which was resolved. i don't believe that they intentionally withhold payment from players. - -drew 4485 8k nt babe 4486 no obvious correlation john may in my experience a casino will either stiff you or it won't regardless of your playing style. i'd be willing to examine proof the contrary but i don't think forthcoming. 4487 casino fortune terminates agreement with microgaming software rob mcgarvey a division of sunny casinos which is itself group companies announced today that it has discontinued using microgaming's software. this decision comes after being unable to resolve concerns in relation the percentage associated its against background industry emanating from united states pressure. concerned maintain clean image and good reputation. believes players are best protected at time by not offered asking truly independent auditing company be called verify accuracy payout percentages quoted. there should also proof random number generator used susceptible manipulation provider. will always place reputation before profits. below more detailed account events led above an international employed review output embedded fortune. confirms consistently produces numbers fair basis for outcome games have been played. presently convinced accurate. january 2002 audit report was released late february. december's had sent. repeatedly asked figures usually published customers. on 8th february sign new contract microgaming. terms stated shall liable operator any indirect consequential or special damages loss profits arising out connection agreement. fortune's directors voiced extreme suspicion wrote martin anthony moshal expressing other points concern. 13th would due technical difficulties. serious letter sent both demanding explanation as if were difficulties obtaining information then they could stem generator. 20th director again we very about our percentages. received reports last 2 months. i forced previous problem sometime ago regarding shown emails below.... made reference november 2000 settlement several licensees suspected tampered causing losses. copied letters operators who claimed represented only one fifth what actually lost. 22nd many phone calls agreed matter investigated us following monday. never done up report. urgent meeting board held given 3 weeks provide weekend march 1st 2nd 3rd seen entering proprietary credit card server. access immediately cut off confirmed no data with. however light occurred became even concerned. roger raativer notified considering termination services provide. attempted contact but answers messages. 11th his email address longer one. agreements isle man. covenanter disclose person firm particulars confidential . 17th credits guest customer accounts upon investigation proven caused employee promptly contacted denied allegation their staff anything do interferences. avail speak directly principle moshal. mr. did respond cell active. 21st decided interest customers discontinue progressive until auditor's received. duly informed decision. provided tuesday 26th choice take drastic measures terminating use regrets having sever ties subsidiary primary concern during worrisome providers. while most excellent stood rest benefits state art playtech. therefore pleased announce selected playtech 4488 rigafratched rob mcgarvey if this happened to everyone then yes the game is truly rigged. can happen it and did individual. same thing a player be that many sd's ahead but you will not hear grumbling about that. i've had both me freaky either way. as for being comrade of online gaming i think could join revolution free money they are so inclined. should we call capitalistic commune it's all just words - i'll take 4489 have you really kx been ahead by 4 sds i doubt it. ve never anywhere near that. 4490 total deception harold oliveir one thing i learned on-line casinos are thieves. there is no exception. all of them. these microgaming software the worse all. try to play poker and double see. what shoud be close 50 will give you onle 15 times. this an assault. believe someone should do anything against desrespect. companies like firepay visa mastercard etc shouldn't avoid work with kind companies. they just assaulting fear anything. we victms can't say accept. or next 4491 old news comment on playtech anon78 this dispute was publicized here several weeks ago. perhaps the today in your first sentence comes from an press release. but has already been made that apparently concerned mg progressive slots not bj. i don't know enough about to say whether sunny or is right wrong. do however trust blackjack even less than mg. one time recently after dealer had a 10 under his four times row tabulated results over rest of my session horrible loser could have accounted for by factor alone out 53 more occasions when showed ace he 21 39.6 vs. 4 13 30.8 would expect. 4492 it happens scarce about once a month i'll hit one of those streaks for session where i win 80 the hands. that's still relatively rare amount total sessions per but can and does happen. if you're in make sure you adjust your betting size accordingly. nothing worse than to be flat-betting nominal amounts then kicking yourself afterward. 4493 dealer blackjack rat out of 37 hands got 7 blackjacks but this was an rtg casino. 4494 once a month kx are u saying you re more than 4 sds ahead in manage to hit less 1 100.000 chance sounds strange me. i ve wagered several millions online 200 casinos and never even been near sds. 4495 winning streak paddyboy if you're in one of those make sure you adjust your betting size accordingly. what do mean by this some sort progression i know a lot times have come out on the positive side d b doubling up my bets hoping get 4 wins row.but not like as it is just guesswork.when are how can that better chance next hand thought house has edge then no matter place still at disadvantage different online 4496 comments scarce take for this what you will but if play enough online can see some pretty strange things both good and bad. recognizing when it's going to be horrible is fairly essential have any success at this. normally i'll bet 5- 10 most of the way through or a large deposit with long playthrough i might go as high 25. flat-betting 100 pop. why not i'm elaborate further degenerate into progressions debate voodoo mixed in measure. players feel try too hard hang onto their bonus don't really exploit system fullest potential. losses larger wins too. different strokes folks. 4497 more evidence. power123 it shows how the software can be rigged even against some of casinos who own if that doesn t scare you then nothing will. 4498 pcyber says my profit's on the way. thanks slot players nt squarehed 4499 you have just implied how tricky the rng's are. tg sorry scarce paddy boy is correct. when dealing with a true random shuffle no matter hell splice it or bet will lose much more than can imagine using progressions. slipped by implying that these on-line casinos funny little tactics installed into rng. i needed to squeeze this info out of an experienced consultant such as yourself and now rest assured ol-g be deceiving business. think i'll stick real thing. thanks again for saving me many future headaches well my hard earned dollars work at tables. adios 4500 customizable gaming software bet2gamble.com when are companies going to allow players customize their playing experience for example how come you can't choose what color felt want blackjack one thing sure that should do is give the player option of enlarging or reducing size cards. it seems programmers all young with excellent vision because sometimes cards very hard read due lack size. im not a programmer but would be these options especially in downloadable casino c.m. www.bet2gamble.com 4501 is this true drew when dealing with a random shuffle no matter how the hell you splice it or bet will lose much more than can imagine using progressions. for style of play that we use if i am going to wager total say 1000 satisfy bonus requirement as progression vs. flat betting don't see could be. because have one placing higher bets variance be higher. but over long run by thousand 1 ten 100 some has me making all different sized isn't house edge suck in same percentage dollars know why i'm bringing up... progressions gambling online. just thought was interesting. hope haven't misunderstood tg 's post. - -drew 4502 tg will they give you a bonus.... bill baggins .... with every buy-in make at the tables you're missing point slightly. b. 4504 multi-hand v single hand bj jimako just a quick question to the experts here. if you are playing through minimum play requirements for bonus at net casino is there difference in your expectation spot time compared 5 hands 4505 progressions tg yes you misunderstood what i mean. i'm talking about a gambler who has lost maybe 10 hands in row flat betting so he pumps his beat s up to 100 hand anticipating some wins. can easily understand why would not lose as much if had stayed at hand. on the other set bankroll of 000 and makes progression bets will course same amount money betted but faster rate because is putting more into action within time frame. this really issue here that scarce tipped me off there are rng's out performing strange sequencing acts all info needed come conclusion staying tables where true randomness exist. 4506 i still want a fair game sir. tg of course i've heard about the bonus hustling and so forth but does this mean others dont deserve random another thing that bothers me is even if rng rigged you follow guidelines requirments manage to win might get hanky panky treatment being hassled over getting your money rightfully yours. not only have been cheated once twice. 4507 to each his own.... bill baggins ... but personally i have found online play be vastly more profitable than my land based counting exploits. perverse as the skill levels involved in playing game are far lower those required a good counter. such is life b. 4508 exactly scarce first off let me say i didn't imply that all online casino games are rigged . we dealing with a virtual world here folks. you'd have to understand how real number generator rng works which would take fair amount of time explain. suffice bias's may exist in create more pronounced sequences than one expect. overall the software play an exact expectation but for short-term results patterns be exploitable. such anomalies not random displays ignorance subject. as tg suspect his mind was made up long before any this discussion. said previously each own. i'm convert anyone playing online. 4510 microgaming drew i assume you're considering the difference between microgaming's blackjack and multi hand blackjack. rules are same but single spot game is played with a deck which reduces house edge. i'm sure someone else can give much better explanation of variance than can. - -drew 4511 yes there is. kx the house edge is 0 19 for single deck and 61 or something like that mg 5-deck game. if you re in to reducing variance don t have enough time keep on playing 2 a hand multi good option. i m mostly multideck. 4512 land based -ev net ev kx to me that s the only really important factor. if you haven t found a casino gives away alot of free money then re always going have negative in casino. several net-casinos can place bets using bonuses without risking any your own funds which on average positive no matter how bad play and big thiefs managements are... 4513 where can i find good casinos a serious newbie list of with nice bonuses for newbies and also reliable that is people played there received their money . am not talking about 30 casions but 100-150 understand should meet the requirement above when finish these 100 casionos what than how do get new from just started week after reading ever found on net. playing 3 day want to it following month also. thanks 4514 casino bar commander taco despite the occasional negative posts here and elsewhere about i have really nothing bad to say them. 3 weeks ago played for their 150 match bonus managed cash out with over 500. some claimed that bj game is rigged they don't trust homemade java software but me it seemed a lot more fair than many microgaming joints. maybe just got lucky. what impressed credited instantly your account. also will return all of winnings paypal account--no wires or checks chase down. took five days. know few people had problems on other hand it's possible make quick buck off them too... 4515 interesting drew i'm talking about a gambler who has lost maybe 10 hands in row flat betting so he pumps his beat s up to 100 hand anticipating some wins. then this player doesn't lose more because they are playing progression... wagering more. really is not the issue here what that scarce tipped me off there rng's out performing strange sequencing acts all info i needed come conclusion of staying at tables where true randomness exist. decision. do you believe game which truly random as put it cannot be profitable my ev from online play much better than make tables. perhaps its just principle thing. can respect that. can't say agree with though. money too good. - -drew 4516 golden riviera anon78 i just played this mg outfit recently and lost 240 in a bet handle of 600 playing 10 hand losing every single double down with the exception one push. but on overall am way ahead so will continue to play casinos as long keep winning overall. 4517 bonus clutcher squarehed i've been involved with this for a few months i'm small bankroll seen some weird patterns in the rng's and it can be difficult to get paid from time but i must weigh those who post that money's just too good. can't believe rate rolling up cash have opened my play after discussions here grab more. it's worth frustration of playing through times seems slipping down slope stiffs again... 4519 wiz composition strategy paddyboy can you use the wizard of odds deck strategies for microgaming.his changes v 10 are based knowing that dealer does not have a natural whereas playing in mg still get because no hole card rule. i already 12v3 15v9 16v9. just sure about 15v10. 16 epsteins rule standing on 3 and 4 16s unless contains two 6s 6 7 or 8 9.such as hit 10. but his observations full peek game. anyone know exactly how to play these dependant hands 1 enhc. it wont add much my ev interesting why stand certain situations teaches more blackjack.also is good practise real thing.although suppose s17 extinct 4520 cashing in problem help newcomer i just played my first few casinos and noticed that although cashed didnt get money back so the casino told me should define proccyber how do wanot back. but don't let option of cashin to credit card. it only give options check ach. want original deposit go card saves fee time can anyone thanks 4521 not all casinos will accept that nt kx 4522 sorry to say drew thats just the way it is. there is no we can help you change casino's policy or pc's policy. consider yourself lucky if this biggest problem encounter in your online playing career. - -drew 4523 is there any way to know it in advance newcomer which casinos are doing this from what i saw looks like a proccyber policy true 4524 differs kx regarding payback of initial deposit to cc i don t think there s anyway knowing. the casino webpage usually say they do pay back card but that are exceptions. as far know it impossible if you re going be an exception . ask others in a forum like this about certain and surely someone will remember. not very much common between differen pc-operated casinos. some only check by paypal even winnings paypal. 4525 i got six checks out there somewhere carol think im only going to play paypal cashins then again some wont give it all back on . correct this 4527 that's just for winnings i think anon78 my experience with proc-cyber has been that the check ach question only applies to winnings. your initial deposit will be refunded way you paid it in used paypal but i'm fairly certain cc too . incoming wires at bank are free so use 4528 nope. kx that s the way it used to be. several casinos won t pay your initial deposit back cc anymore. 4529 then i'm really glad i use paypal nt anon78 4530 casino groups rat hello everyone i m trying to make a big list of so if you wanna help can send me the names at zeroblackjack hotmail.com or refer site that lists groups. thank 4531 look here scarce this stuff isn't a state secret. and ye shall find on the net. 4532 microgaming list scarce 4533 black dog diamond games ok kx anyone played at blackdog casino or any other using software opinions 4535 my experience... the mayor you get your original deposit credited back to card. winnings go via pro-cyber. ach is great. 3-5 days total from request done deal. 4536 response bet2gamble.com it just depends on what you are looking for. for sites that offer 3x odds or better in craps 9 6 jacks take certain deposit methods bonuses of 100 higher if describe features a site then i can help find and many more like it. c.m. www.bet2gamble.com 4537 i think its good for microgaming newcomer with 15 or 16 vs 10 it doesnt matter if the dealer check his hole card not. because he has a black jack you lose what ever do. so wiz strategy is correct any 1 deck s17 matter. 4538 vegasusa newcomer does anyone have information about them i hears some place they are rigged is it true 4539 limiting yourself drew if you limit to only playing casinos with the most convenient cash-in methods will miss out on some of best bonuses. these little headaches in my opinion are worth payoff. i can make say 50 at a certain casino and receive winnings next day or 200 another but have wait 6 weeks for check would choose second option. i'm not saying that all pay way good bad. just sugesting gamble online money shouldn't yourself. you'll need play different kinds policies. - -drew 4540 the controversy continues drew set your bj21 preferences to list posts for last couple of months. read back through all about microgaming software a lot in few weeks . some people think is rigged. don't. like me don't care reasons you will find discussed those posts. personally i made money from vegas usa. - -drew 4541 differentiate scarce there is vegasusa which microgaming downloadable software or flash. the old had another type of download was cheap but seemed ok. their flash casino called vegasusa2 reportedly rigged by just about everyone who played there. new version seems fine. manager alan sounds like an asshole they seem fine otherwise. see attached link. 4542 i am looking for a serious newbie good bonuses without very large playing requirements 4543 diamond wolf star i've played mango winnersplay digital betting bluesclub and blackdog. i made some money got paid promptly at blackdog another one of these a royal flush . they appear to have honest rngs however the 1st 3 are apparently owned by same entity. least do everything way as each other lots email small bonus offers. my experience was that usually forgot pay promised bonuses when inquiries acted if had no idea what talking about. don't think they're trying consciously cheat. rather it seems managed poorly. 2 remember any being offered after initial signup. once deposited 50 into account just because wanted me return. 4544 no no... rat i meant groups like the chance group blackwidow and grandbanks those kinds of groups. not by software 4545 true thanks drew nt carol 4546 im new and i think micro is fine nt carol 4547 still available drew their flash casino which was called vegasusa2 reportedly rigged by just about everyone who played there. the new microgaming version seems fine. only this fine is currently correct - -drew 4548 i need a u.s. bank account for paypal swiss pro does anyone know that services checking accounts non resident aliens - can not register my local with which makes this service quite unuseable me ... much fun to get winnings on your and no way the money out of system tried hours searching net found internet usa . they write in their faq international customers are welcome ask you e-mail request just answer standard mail unfortunately at time we unable outside united states also jpmorgan chase but would be very expensive unless keep minimum daily balance least 3000 dollars account. grateful any hint how find suitable needs an european gaming investor 4549 gaming investor oxymoron nt but i like it 4550 bogus bonus requirements bone-us check out the following terms and conditions for bonuses promotional credits must be wagered at least seven times before player becomes entitled to cash-in amount. a wager is defined in example if you 5 each on two hands of blackjack winning one losing other your credit balance will not change this counts as 10 towards fulfilling obligation. wagers craps roulette baccarat any or video poker game do count toward obligation with regards amounts wagered. it gives an counting wagering then excludes also what's left slots i would being downright deceptive. watch 4551 correct nt scarce 4552 at least name the casino scarce i imagine you're talking about bella vegas. when they opened blackjack was available but as with most things site is last thing that get's updated. just chalk it up to genereal incompetence not subterfuge. 4553 a little dated but.. scarce ..well lot like year old in many cases but this site did attempt something you mentioned www.themoneytour.com 4555 thanks nt drew 4556 ding winner bone-us yes it was bella vegas. however i don't buy for one second that it's general incompetence . any 5th grader could look at paragraph and know something wrong. not only i'm certain some player has gone in there without reading the terms then questioned why he didn't get to cash his bonus. this should happen once casino would fix if they wanted be on level. believe are being purposely misleading. 4557 typical bet2gamble.com great post bone. i have noticed this trend too. here is a advertisement 100 initial deposit bonus up to us bonus. fine print baccarat blackjack and any other game where you might chance win excluded from meeting wagering requirements. we get left with the low payback games caribbean stud poker keno slots. 'with conditions like that who needs bonuses.' c.m. www.bet2gamble.com 4558 black dog kenny they love to spam you death 4559 i played vegasusa2 jayel in blackjack it's hard 2 prove anything anyone can just classify you as a paranoid gambler when suspect somethings not quite right. is it coincidence that so many of us have these feelings things being right at this casino exactly the reason my playing time 'net was limited. although programmer by trade spent some coding and tell doesn't take genius to make program cheat you. still find believe people play online. beginning possible money with bonuses but now has come point where are achieve can't win or casino's flat out cheaters. don't think hardcore gamblers do you... 4560 thanks.but does anyone know for sure nt paddyboy 4561 wrong. kx it s still incredibly easy to win while you have bonuses. the big problem is just find casinos. most casinos use same conditions as they ve had for years excluding bj and vp are rare luckily enough. 4562 question for all - weighting the online evidence bill baggins as someone who is relatively new to this i am sure experiencing a dilemma which faced by many post here. namely how does one distinguish those casinos that will in probability pay winnings and or allocated bonuses. so far have been taking several things into account include software provider casino group if known support telephone etc. banking arrangements look of site i.e. it put together professionally reviews on internet sites comments made regarding experiences gaming message boards. list similar content used others here missing something out perhaps being too selective particularly interested weight other players give postings about boards such this. seems me there particular bias towards detail bad experiences. logically would expect are much more likely real perceived poor treatment than they hassle free experience. do use these when selecting not unanamity opinion generally ok 'chance ones arm' at place seem exclude with negative board severely limit number playing opportunities. be anyones issues. regards b. 4564 beside microgaming haim hi there i have already played a lot in casinos bj . am looking on other software s and for them to play. at cryptologic boss media show me that they don't give good bonuses something like cushion 0.05 down what about softwares some more recommended casinos. where are the best thanks 4565 you ve already received ans. in wol nt kx 4566 easy for you my friend kx as a beginner have alot of big trusted casinos to play at. the problem is when ve played all those like i it s really hard select among bad and even worse personally try search forums look at different blacklists opa igc etc check software provider etc. experiences are very positive though. still never been subject nonpayment. worst things that happened not rngs misunderstood bonus requirements sometimes had spend time mailing actually receive bonuses. microgaming casios cryptologic without any problems with payments places won . boss should be more trustworhy m allowed there also playtech-casinos grand virtual casinos. aquatech. avoid rtg diamond worldgaming. will copy past what wrote while ago wol regarding trust most would say in regards fairness media-casinos most. except cryptologic. so top list relatively media gold club casino owned by acekingclub drho.com lite sun-group jackpot palace metro sunset mgs-casinos put gaming mgs lucky nugget golden reef ladbrokes cryptologic-casinos intercasino crypt william hill omni others trustworthy drho lassetters crown games stanley acropolis tattersalls global player 4567 how risk-averse are you john may so far i have been taking several things into account which include - software provider casino group if known support telephone etc. banking arrangements the look of site i.e. is it put together professionally reviews on internet sites and comments made regarding experiences gaming message boards. yes these all good considerations. a major consideration whether has terrestrial presence in or bookmaking world. stanley acropolis william hill aspinalls lasseters for example own reputable real-world bricks-and-mortar operations strictly regulated. chance being stiffed by them precisely zilch. that would be only cast-iron principle guarantees will paid. players who can't stand emotional pain ripped off sticking to wise. ios questionable however an advantage player should devoting time research. just as effective terms return-on-investment plough through many possible. most pay you. ones don't won't make much dent your profits. weeding out bad rather inaccurate science cost more wasted opportunity than occassionally. maximize profits think wise sure operation not obviously crooked they completely reputable. 4568 not very bill baggins thanks. this seems to be logical advise as the research is time consuming and cuts into hourly ev. willing play at most long i will least get my deposit back. would more wary making larger deposits than 500 places that am totally sure about if possible . cheers b. 4569 deposit back paddyboy most casinos offer 10 extra on your if you go through paypal or firepay something similar why is this .is it because have a dispute with casino regarding the no comeback way.whereas credit card can always get at least. i had problems about being denied sign up bonuses and cash in requierments see my post bar .but once mention that will recredited seems to them working. am having problem moment vegasusa.an mg doesnt use procyber.com. been waiting 12 weeks for dosh.but so what do not it.i recredited.i lose won but such life. all say online blackjack easy money. 4570 starting point rat thats the site i m using as a point. was hoping there few more sites like this out but it doesnt seem 4571 fraud prevention. kx i think that in most cases the bonus is not there for them to have better odds of fooling you it s get worse at them... are alot players out cover losses by recrediting deposits. 4572 avoid vegasusa john may i have been waiting 12 weeks for my dosh. having the same shit with them. always stressed avoiding placing too much faith in software and should followed own advice after being ripped off by goodfellows both mg casinos. 4573 what are they saying kx it took some time for me to get my money from vegasusa but after talking the live help just a few days. do say when you speak them and about gf did not your audit reason 4574 i'll try live help john may it took some time for me to get my money from vegasusa but after talking the just a few days. what do they say when you speak them never responded e-mails and are obviously slow-paying. as several poker players have pointed out paypal refunds instantaneous if will is there. i haven't tried yet thanks suggestion. didn't through on three occassions assumed no one was. wouldn't rule possibility of getting paid harass lot given number joints where don't put up with this shit can't recommend anybody. about gf did not your audit reason explanation response e-mail. wagered well over bonus requirements even before audit. heard any else got either. so far know an out-and-out scam operation. 4575 true large deposits john may willing to play at most as long i will least get my deposit back. would be more wary making larger than 500 places that am not totally sure about if is possible . good point. yes you do have careful with because fewer bonuses for big action and being stiffed by one could a major impact on your wealth. acropolis con aspinalls all can trusted but probably knew that. the gm rates mg vegas villa also his reviews usually trusted. had problems getting referral bonus from gamedaycasino.com of suspected abuse referee did her money so this place also. finally global player's 10 small negotiated unspecified amount again they are highly respected pay. 4576 dealer blackjack rat the got 4 consecutive blackjacks against me other day. im curious what is probability of 2 3 and 5 thanks 4577 some have been paid kx there s discussions on the matter in wol and say they ve paid. i surely hope it not going to be a problem. 450 pending... 4578 north shore casino oddson kx has anyone played their they offer 100 up to 200 but there are no wagering req. in terms and conditions. 4579 paypal account woody i believe is now available as a international to clients in canada france germany the netherlands and united kingdom. would check with about credit card bank registration. if you are switzerland your handle indicates maybe be best place for open account. 4580 better odds paddyboy i think that in most cases the bonus is not there for them to have of fooling you it s get worse at dont understand what mean please explain. 4581 casino on air bob anyone have any thoughts about the fairness of air's blackjack software or video poker 4582 not any of my own but... kx i was planning to play there so searched for posts on wol. seemed like alot ppl were conivinced it wasn t a fair game bj stay away. 4583 depends on the number of decks and penetration but john may for two consecutive blackjacks odds are about 400 to 1 with three it is 8000 1. that might seem like obvious cheating if you play blackjack a lot then course eventually will occur even in completely honest games. four would one time 160000. be good enough me get out. you'd experience this only once every or five years full-time professional play. just freak occurrence especially considering sample bias leads people post bad results here rather than ones i not take risk. perhaps name casino 4584 seemed fishy to me mr deviant i did the 150 deposit for bonus. was playing min. bet per hand and ended up with 15 profit total 165 if remember correctly. do math. their decks have plenty of extra 4 5 6 cards 4585 he has one just for mg guess who a composition dependent strategy games. i see no reason not to use them. 4586 thanks for your suggestions - but i think will try to go the u.s. way swiss pro paypal's list of countries where you can register a bank account is even larger including spain and italy ... as far know it's required have german address get girokonto in germany there another good reason an banking system ach so i'll chase manhattan permanently leave 3000 my or pay 10 monthly maintenance fee. too bad that most banks are not willing two simple steps it needs open relationship with foreign customer which just w8-ben form having signature card notarized consulate. 4587 my experience was better ... waiting for payment now swiss pro to me it felt a bit streaky - but honestly any bj software feels that way when you loose few 20s against 6 with the dealer ending up 21 i finished required playthrough nice win on top of bonus. as every new casino placed cashin request whole balance and will give quick note get funds. in records air is place where consider returning if financial transactions prove run smoothly direction too. 4588 4 decks but you never know rat thewizardofodds says its an oddson casino. im not losing big or nothing like that i even have a small win this far through the wager req. one time in 160000 maby got lucky if it happens again will name em 4589 i-casinos biased games bone-us i know that some of the people here claim i-casino software is while others will it's normal variance and we are only looking at a small sample. so... here's data after about 30 000 in total action 20 casinos with an average bet size 2.50 12 bets have not received anywhere near expected 99 return. been just over 80 yes play correct basic strategy for game. i've had few wins rest to large losses. course i'm still ahead dollar wise due bonuses so complaining. pointing out facts. most losses microgaming sites. funny how best seem worst think coincidence this isn't huge sample but significant. i'd like see from can combine results. p.s. those you who say get my bonus winnings don't care well fair idea these places could be taking advantage player crooked 4590 maybe conforming to a john may it could be that the software is not actually designed take your money but conform payout . like slot machine cards you are dealt might just symbolic representation for benefit of software's rng. in this case won't get normally distributed as with decent payback lose much either. here britain all our native video card games operate way. or hell freak occurrence where fun 4592 my results drew i grabbed a stack of records from play at microgaming. working through the casinos alphabetically until totaled 10 000 action came up with total loss 0.86 money wagered. doing math is tedious for me... realize that sample size even smaller than yours... maybe if get really bored tonight i'll work whole stack. - -drew 4593 northshore paddyboy i sent an email and this is the responce as a new player welcome make your first purchase amount between 25- 200 we'll credit you with 100 match-up bonus. bonus will be automatically deposited in account after purchase. order to able cash need play 6 times for example if buy get bet total of 600 before can in. please note that only game excluded from promotion roulette. have any other question do not hesitate contact us again. thank choosing us. sarah customer support casino so 3xd b.on webpage it says puchase 25 or more month free month. 300 year free. seen them listed on online directory. bonuses sound good maybe too 4594 be the dealer casino review by 'online review' black gambler check this out http www.rgtonline.com root_index.asp bodyloc newspage2 casinoreview detail.psp all content f20020414231358015.xml 4595 review looks like a bunch of spam to me. nt ranger 4596 dont include your bonus. nt ranger 4598 i obviously didn't. drew read my post working through the casinos alphabetically until totaled 10 000 action came up with a total loss of 0.86 money wagered. wagered 008 to be exact . that amount lost. how on earth would it even possible lose if had included bonus - -drew 4599 posts on wol suggest otherwise bill baggins threads over there have detailed conflicting wagering requirements from csrs and payments. payments said 6x d b whereas support 6xb as per your post. i'd recheck you want the people paying to be singing same tune if go by their requirements. i had tried e-mail them but my e-mails bounced back. found other oddson casinos fair those in english harbour group . does this seem too good true why no bonus terms conditions website regards b. 4600 north shore bone-us i called them and they said it was 6x bonus so gave a shot. when tried to cash out after wagering instantly reversed automatically sent an e-mail informing me of the exact dollar amount still needed wager. this turned be another or both total. fine with me. played actually won little. don't like being misled but i've had much worse experiences where won't tell you thing about not meeting requirements until contact ask what happened your money. pretty impressed instant response. now if get paid in timely manner i'd have give rating. 4601 nah. caruso not only that i'm certain some player has gone in there without reading the terms and then questioned why he didn't get to cash his bonus. he'd be an idiot. what's saying about a fool money example they give is just standard mg wagering requirements example. hardly problem. 4602 geisha lounge grand aces bone-us anyone had experience with or they have a strange bonus wording so naturally i'm sceptical. claim 100 and then use the match play go on to say that if you lose pay back you're losses. sounds me like may deposit wagering requirement 50. would get paid 50 through again. this does give two chances actually win but gives no real advantage. other hand could be saying matching plus part all of this. tried out 4603 northshore paddyboy this is the second responce as a new player welcome make your first purchase amount between 25- 200 and we'll credit you with 100 match-up bonus. bonus will be automatically deposited in account after purchase. order to able cash need play 6 times deposit. for example if buy get bet total of 1200 before can in. please note that only game excluded from promotion roulette. have any other question do not hesitate contact us again. thank choosing us. sarah customer support casino looks more like real thing.seems bit strange having reqs on website but still worth go. 4604 bj may be fishy but smooth money transactions commander taco casino on air is a sister site of bar. both places look and feel identical use the same apparently homegrown software anybody ever seen it before . downside that their game really does seem suspicious sometimes although at bar i actually came out quite bit ahead. can't comment vp because stuck to bj. there are few upsides these 2 though -nice 150 match bonus or 25 up 1500 deposit 375 -bonus credited instantly -will pay entire cash-in paypal after 5 days - 1 min bets for those long streaks negative variance -pretty good rules doa das even if dealer pulls lot 21s. so basically they rigged still profitable. don't see any reason stay away from them. you go that's an easy 750 in your pocket. not bad. ct 4605 microgaming 1deck no hole card aruuba does anyone know the actual negative expectation associated with this dealer-take-all rule would you agree way to play it is do not double 11 vs a 10 or ace. split 8 but it's still ok 10. anyway that's i it. suspect rather expensive variation though. just don't how much. 4606 lasseter's-deck shuffled after every card aruuba has anyone previously discussed here the effect on basic strategy of lasseter's single deck game wherein is i found this to be a most unusual variation from being up hand. for instance assumed it would ok hit 7 vs 10 since there are still 4 7's left in deck. weird huh but hitting 2 3 with all 10's remaining wasn't so sure. or even. how dealer's chances busting effected 5 showing when always 5's less more likely bust 6 obvious reasons don't think ever been covered book as who shuffle any gut thoughts appreciated analysis you have simualtion software out appreciated. overall guess was wondering what cost playing normal against like might be. first four cards that dealt know could much different than one we're used to. not. clue. 4607 check with the wiz... drew wiz for info and bs mg bj... http www.thewizardofodds.com game reviewmicrogaming.html he reports house edge to be 0.13 gives a complete table. - -drew 4608 correct. kx it s just a safety net. if you loose get your money back. but not very different from an ordinary match bonus. make large bets 4609 pulled out rob mcgarvey i my 200 depo from gf and asked them if it was still okay to play. they said sure just give us another 1124 in action the bonus 420 at this point is yours. taking next two days off catch up on all of requirements have not met as yet. 4610 interesting numbers pug ugly last time i checked my results mg was holding about 1 of all bj action. this is after action exceeding much more than 10k. have in a while now but few doubts that mg's game non-random. 4611 is this spam nt bill baggins 4612 correct paddyboy you are correct.but watch out for bossmedias peek rules.the wiz advises taking insurance with 8 8.11.a a and then play on as usual if no natural 4613 pretty close to what i got drew your numbers are mine. again must admit that my sample size is rather small. doesn't seem like anyone too the 0.13 . or maybe they're just not posting. - -drew 4614 some errors in aruuba's strategy drew paddyboy wrote you are correct aruuba your modifications to basic for microgaming bj incomplete. check with the wiz as i suggest above. - -drew 4615 i would... drew would use standard multi deck basic strategy. if it isn't exactly correct i'm sure its very close. considering your example when playing an 8 shoe 7 v. 10 leaves 94 of the 7's still in shoe. strategy has got to be close not identical game you describe. - -drew 4616 of course - it's an infinite deck aruuba thanks for your reply. i finally figured out 8 strategy would be plenty close enough 4617 std dev calculation on mg bj pj_au i run the following simulation using sba http www.sba21.com microgaming rules sd nodas d9 split aces can be re-hit no resplitting hole card s17 shuffle after every hand flat bets for 100 000 rounds and used calculator to determine standard deviation 12 hands making unit bets. had player basic strategy table supplied with which should identicial what most people are out there. has an expected win of -13.68 units 34.20 if we're a 2.50 that's 0.114 disadvantage per 119.56 298.90 or just under 1 total amount wagered. 99.7 wagering somewhere in range -368.49 - 920 341.13 852 . your loss been 20 wagered that would mean you'd down 6000 less bonuses you're ahead dollar-wise then i'm impressed you've received. you really something far outside variance game about deviations from could imply unfair incorrect parameters when set my human error some other factor. average bet is but size varies expect higher deviation. variance. not going draw any conclusions it's always useful have yardstick. all best pj 4618 o yeah.i forgot about composition dependant . nt paddyboy 4619 extremely high volatility... john may ...involved in exploiting this bonus. i had a rare online gambling experience with geisha-actually losing money. 4621 interesting item in goverment auction.... vpr man 1998 ferrari f355. seized by the customs service along with a 75 000 lincoln navigator 200 home and 600 cash. from an illegal internet gambling operation that never bothered to pay out winnings. it used players' credit-card bets buy these assets. http www.usatoday.com life 2002 2002-04-16-tauction.htm 4622 insurance should we take it anytime carol i never do 4623 you can still lose much . tg like a slot machine the cards are dealt might just be symbolic representation for your benefit of software's rng. in this case won't get normally distributed but as with decent payback that either. because has does not mean wont have 99.9 payout only pays out once year to lucky fellar hit it. easily see why others will ton i would rather play than some slot-pit. 4624 bad but not as bone-us it occurred to me that 80 return couldn't be right. well sure enough i screwed up. had an error in the spreadsheet use keep track of my play. actual was close 97 and last two plays at non-microgaming sites have brought up 98 . still a poor certainly feels worse than when you are playing. i've played lot action microgaming am continually amazed how many 20's 21's dealer gets along with seemingly endless runs high up-cards. 4625 yes john may just because a slot has decent payback does not mean you wont lose that much . can have 99.9 payout but only pays out once year to the lucky fellar hit it. easily see why others will ton of i know. i'm assuming reasonably sophisticated audience who know talking about expected value. 4626 lots of 20's and 21's sometimes alot in a row nt carol 4627 also... drew aruuba wrote would you agree the way to play it is do not double 11 vs a 10 or ace. split 8 but it's still ok 10. anyway that's i it. should vs. a. - -drew 4628 do not split a v in enhc paddyboy check out wongs pro bj page 82 4630 check with the wiz... drew go to this url http www.thewizardofodds.com game reviewmicrogaming.html it out. all of my texts are at other residence so i cannot compare your reference. perhaps difference is that microgaming lets you draw split aces. could someone clear up for us - -drew 4631 more funny bonus requirements bone-us can anyone figure out this requirement from u1casino you may not cash any over 250 or 25 of your whichever one is less. winnings made funds are available at time for withdrawal. the wagering were set 9x deposit and bonus. since maximum amount was already 500 we would have to assume that be lessor two. therefore if somehow got full play a lot action most could possibly 125 . now only i saw listed 50 100 deposit. mean playing 1350 an absolute gain 12.50. furthermore why make statement withdrawal previous statements just through explaining case. am missing something here 4632 hitting split aces paddyboy on page 121 of wongs basic bj he says when you can hit after splitting regular strategy applies . 4633 strange bonus nt carol 4634 woops didnt finish carol blackjackplayer.com has a strange bonus too . first it says 25 x to cash out then 25x d b thats alot of wagering .which ever is 4635 funny bonus requirements bet2gamble.com rule 1 regarding bonuses. if you don't understand it play there. and that has to be the most confusing wagering i have ever seen more than 500. oddest besides your example was pro 5 sports. they had no requirements. questioned them about this further essentially decide when think met their were a license steal in my opinion. c.m. www.bet2gamble.com 4636 you can still win much tg bill baggins if i understand the inferrence of your post correctly question is comparing fixed payouts for slots and bj really a valid thing to do basis make decision on whether play online in first instance answer no. would anyone they lost hand after waiting that big no be strange as at blackjack payed 1 other than which 3 2 you'll find this help sections most casinos need clarification therefore not give desired win. we have gathered are confirmed sceptic where all concerned from previous posts tg. obviously haven't given it shot misinterpreted apologise. go might surprised. regards b. 4637 sounds like a split to me. nt drew 4638 funniest of all scarce u1 virtual winnit etc are the same place. this is worst rtg casino all. confusing bonus terms meant to be as hell simply because they never want pay anyone either or any winnings. they'll stall lie ask for further documents some more and generally do whatever can not pay. 4639 do not split paddyboy on page 121 of wongs basic bj he says when you can hit after splitting aces regular strategy applies . bs in enhc to a v so even if still them ace 4640 i have contacted the wizard of odds drew emailed wiz for an explanation. above is basic strategy table provided specifically microgaming game. it clearly says to split a v. a. do not know why he would differ from wong. anxiously await getting back my other home check your source. assuming that you are interpreting wong correctly am still more inclined believe as his was designed mg while sw writing in general terms. something must be different. also interpret statement when can hit after splitting aces regular applies differently than you. me means non-enhc. course only single line text work with. i'm lacking context. hopefully will respond shortly. i'll let know. meantime perhaps someone with extensive mathematical background myself could provide some input. - -drew 4641 doesn't matter scarce i expect the difference will be so small as to negligible. drawing any number of cards split aces 0.14 no dealer hole card -0.13 source world's greatest blackjack book lance humble p 182 4642 sorry i don't follow drew follow... drawing any number of cards to split aces 0.14 no dealer hole card -0.13 so the enhc rule and offset eachother we're back where we started. that although see how relates discussion. in addition you're saying difference between splitting not is small enough it doesn't matter which do trying doubt you -- you've certainly provided more assistance me than anyone else on this forum. i'm just a tad confused. thanks - -drew 4643 reply scarce so the enhc rule and drawing to split aces offset eachother we're back where we started. i follow that although don't see how relates discussion. you'd only want if this would yield more long-term than losing both hands a dealer's blackjack. chart mentioned says you will all other factors being equal but 0.01 difference in expectation. addition you're saying between splitting not is small enough it doesn't matter which do yes exactly. really care about hundredth's of percent for online gambling. then use wizard's his composition dependant charts. can rationale doing me personally it's rather waste time. sorry trying doubt -- you've certainly provided assistance anyone else on forum. i'm just tad confused. understand question. one those oddities rules you'll never b m casino's. technically wizard right. feel matters instance. 4645 one card on ace kx could it be that wong is talking about a game where you re only allowed to get each after split 4646 i believe so drew but as said don't have my books here. scarce cleared this whole thing up for us pretty well. specific situation the highest ev play is to split aces. - -drew 4647 wong vs. wiz guess who its because in the game you can't hit aces after split. i emailed on this subject a few weeks back. he confirmed that was difference. 4648 poker on the net qwerty if somebody can tell me where i play hold 'em using a mcintosh will send valuable little tibit that u might not b aware of. 4649 testing my spirit rat another kind of strange thing happend to me at an oddson place. i started playing blackjack and lost the first 12 hands. felt like was giving them money a dumbass who cant quit betting. anyway what is probability streak this 4650 ive had worse blackbird my second casino to play at online was the riverbelle and i lost 14 strait hands in a row. total win percentage probably about 25 . havent been playing very long but it seems me that everytime am loosing more than usual flash like one on riverbelle. id be willing bet your lossing streak happened casino. 4651 locked out at fortune lounge a serious newbie hi i just received the following from thank you for choosing to play vegas palms casino we regret that will not be able process any transactions or your personal accounts. this is due our e-commerce processor accommodate players in israel. as result unfortunately had close account. please visit website frequently situation may change and allowed again future. should have questions need clarification regard do hesitate contact help-desk which available 24 hours day. they stoled my money what hell can called them guy told me call tommarow advice thanks 4652 yes but did you lose them right from the start nt rat 4653 pretty close blackbird i didnt lose them right from the start but it was close. where were you playing at 4654 they'll return your deposits nt scarce 4655 what about the winnings a serious newbie i also won 90 at sultans7 will get that 4656 blackwidow casino blackbird has anybody had any experiences with this they have a current promotional bonus where you deposit 50 and recieve 50. only to wager 3 times the cash out. sounds like good deal but table minimum appears be 5. it seems that would very easy get wiped previous offer helpfull. 4657 no scarce we regret that will not be able to process any transactions or from your personal accounts. situation is a little different so perhaps i jumped the gun on this one. assume they'll return deposit but you'll forfeit winnings. don't understand how you could register and play without them denying registration in first place. if have paypal i'd they'd sent way. 4658 rtg affiliated with grand banks scarce that's a modest play requirement these days. if it sounds excessive 5 minimum perhaps you should reconsider online gambling. black widow have good reputation although i'm hearing rumblings of slow payments again. 4659 keep us posted pj_au sn if you could please on what happens. from memory the fortune lounge group are microgaming casinos and use proc cyber as their cash handling agents. i can understand e-commerce processor not being able to pay via ach or similar an account in israel but a cheque be sent anywhere. i've had hard time trying convince proc-cyber give me anything past so it's like they don't do them. 4660 wong's book does not have the rule concerning hit aces nt anon314 4661 someone send wol link please carol cant seem to get there unless i it . know its on here somewhere but find 4662 www.winneronline.com nt scarce 4663 slow pay drew when i played them some time ago the was very slow. took about 4 weeks. - -drew 4664 i have been playing the wrong way all along paddyboy never realised there was a case for splitting v in enhc.although difference is miniscule wong says comes up 12 times every 100 000 hands.yes am still quoting it mathematically correct to play so converted.thanks drew bringing this up. 4665 different experience bill baggins played there a couple of months ago. deposit and winnings paid within week. i don't know if am an exception to the rule or this standard has deteriorated. regards b. 4667 update a serious newbie hi i spoke with their costumer service guy he said that fortune lounge decided to block srael from using they casions didnt know why . the money have in my casino accounts will come back me. what it should include winnings. am waiting for an email them. you when more information. by way did hear about blocking completely country. talking total not just promotions and if yes ever heard happen israel thanks 4668 that's not slow caruso a cheque received within 4 weeks of an rtg cash out is swift indeed. 4669 of course it is drew 4 weeks for an online casino to pay slow. i would consider nearly all rtgs be many poker sites the same day. microgaming has almost alway paid me within 10-14 days. four eternity electronic transactions. just because they take forever doesn't mean that still isn't i've had much faster than blackwidow. blackbird hasn't posted much... assumed perhaps incorrectly he at least relatively new this activity. know when played my first rtg would've appreciated knowing in advance and paid. spoiled me. - -drew 4670 how about ten choices me again www.paradisepoker.com www.planetpoker.com www.pokerstars.com www.truepoker.com www.ultimatebet.com www.wsex.com www.highlandsclub.com www.americascardroom.com www.partypoker.com www.cccpoker.com 4671 not obviously gnossos it's hardly a raging testimonial to say 'yes they cheat but you can win anyway'. 4673 cake eat it syndrome. caruso if a casino offers me fistful of free dollars i'll never sweat moderately lengthy 4 - 6 weeks wait to be paid you need the money that much shouldn't gambling with it. stop making fuss about nothing. i know when played my first rtg sites would've appreciated knowing in advance would take and paid. why didn't should have done better research. 4674 i never had to wait more than 6 8 days swiss pro play at black widow and grand banks ... both of them processed cashouts within a week. no check writing was involved maybe this detail could matter. another rtg site the bank applet tells me my overnight express has been week ago support does not know anything about matter - have for manager tell tracking number smile think will eventually fly through front door in next few weeks 4675 online cheating me again 1. can u really trust casinos. casinos have staff to work as 1 player and he could see the hands of other players they yes course can. do i've never even heard anyone suspecting this type cheating. 2. team play 2-3 actually share their info about thru phone if are using cable i-net or having 2 computers next each by playing only best hand among them give an edge over players. was a huge concern mine one that kept from for years. it happen i'm sure does happen. however many things in place prevent collusion every poker site takes problem very seriously. higher stakes games well aware they'll go out way avoid looking like something funny is happening. spent hundred hours not once i been close being cheated. suspected twice but after reviewing histories witnessing more parties involved my mind put at ease. simply isn't big thought would be. far leary internet casino's than am sites. 4676 iq-ludorum new comer is ok i looked at bew2gamble and found out they have alot of casinos with good offers what do you say 4677 ok i think figured it out. tg are you angry at me bj 21 dont my comment about weeding out unfair online casinos and suggesting something needs to be done was all that bad finally how the system is ran on this board. an undefined way of captivation. 4678 then what is 3 months tg 1 month a swift pay for online 4679 you should have shouldnt paddyboy its easy with the benefit of hindsight to know what do.but as for knowing which casinos groups pay faster how do research this.go through lots message boards directorys and online casino sites this will take too long.the best things check out are tnc's game rules.when play be prepared chance 1.a dodgy i.e rng 2.trying deny bonus 3.disputing that played reqs 4.not receiving your winnings 5.theft deposit me slow is down on list rush relax sit back wait dough roll in. but all above i experienced bonuses would never gamble normally at an casino. 4680 title did it in pb19 content was fine but the of your post didn't meet guidelines. 4681 proccyber transactions bone-us has anyone figured out how to determine where a transaction came from i keep getting deposits my paypal account with no description and i'm not sure which casinos they are coming from. 4682 roll out the barrel tg let me see if i get this. all need to do is watch for dodgy games bad rng's denial of bonus while dealing with disputes over requirments not being paid you win and theft deposit that there it then when this said done can simply be patient dough in as in... have any left. them bonuses must really getting me. 4683 a new scam tg this is the strangest one yet. i would be bit sceptical about if were you. before too long you may hear from ten different on-line casinos saying we paid but as all that dough comes in who cares 4684 where did that proc-cyber paypal deposit come from woody its simple keep records and don't withdraw identical amounts within the same time frame. 4685 clues bob fisher look at the e-mail address. it will often be proccyberxx proccyber.com where xx is an identification number of casino. also check item product name and number. you might find casino or relevant account there. keep track your withdrawal request dates amounts. 4686 numbers bone-us i see the in e-mail address it's 12 but how would find out which casino it is indicating only description given payment advice . as far woody's suggestion of using different amounts figured that one now a little late since started by cashing original deposit amount first and then later any winnings. my few casinos clearly indicated where money was coming from so made mistake thinking this always be case. 4687 do not be afraid paddyboy yes thats all there is to it.if you cant take the chance of being ripped off once in a while then dont play online.if want make easy money online and accept risks. 4688 tg please...... bill baggins take the following 3 steps to enlightenment 1 go away 2 try online gaming make an amount of money that in all probability will exceed your land based capabilities without associated negative swings ror or dealer halitosis. then you could come back once enlightened and 4 intelligible informed comment on this subject. regards b. 4689 blackjack ballroom scarce ..or one of that group. possibly golden tiger or virtual city which are proc-cyber 13 and 14 respectively. if you play enough places you'll see all these. 4690 what is the reason tg so difficult about posting name of their casino and logical hiding behind a payment please enlighten me with your expert consultations. 4691 mr. billy baggins tg after reading and weeding out the spaming spies across internet i'm sorry you dont understand why in world someone would be a little apprehensive to on-line gambling before investing substantial amount make it worth their relentless time of waiting wondering. yeah i know this post just cents huh 4692 it may be administrative scarce ..or that is simply easier for transactions to move about without online casino somewhere in the details. as someone else pointed out player should keep all records and have a good idea of how much coming going so able tell. most times will send notification when they are sending you money beforehand. proc-cyber relatively large though numbers range from 1-30. 4693 all i understand..... bill baggins ....is the money in my pocket. that's insight enough for me. rhetoric is cheap. not billy b. 4694 same impression i received scarce doubt tg is interested in playing online. if he were he'd just deposit somewhere and try it for himself. this nonsense about casino spies whatnot window dressing his own loathing the entire enterprise. at some point either plays or doesn't. rest a waste of time everyone else's by making misinformed posts ill-conceived judgements on those us who do profit from online gambling. 4695 i'm interested. tg i have nothing to prove you or anybody else here. if think not interested this is no big deal. was considering going into on-line gambling as said earlier with a generous bankroll make it worth my while rather than mess around the hassle of small change. are kidding scarce quite obvious even ignorant that there definitly spammers flooding internet posing players. beyond shadow doubt. only blind or..... will see it. suppose also assume land based casino personels dont troll post on lovely free world either. save for somebody me. 4696 last response....... bill baggins ....as this is going nowhere. ask us the question and we will all agree that there are people spamming on internet about online casinos. oh what an interesting revelation. but re-read thread you notice not point myself or scarce have made. objected to your persistent scepticism which has pervaded majority of posts made board. regarding viability gaming as a substantial profit making exercise. alludes equivalent intimating those who post here do play somehow telling truth its profitability. from someone freely admits never having played obviously hard swallow. frankly at present it trolling. board luckily almost completely spam free so exchange information seek give advice support. date done none these things served no useful purpose community players here. confirmed sceptic whose mind up. perhaps if had asked some constructive questions venture purport intended embarking upon then may found quarters. however i suspect burnt bridges now. why favour go count generous bankroll while concentrate expanding ours. judgement issue anything by only characteristic frequency with transfer portions casinos coffers. regards b. 4697 blackjack at internet casinos john does anyone know of an casino that uses less than six decks and not reshuffle after every hand. thanks sincerely 4698 global player john may is the only casino to offer anything close playable penetration with 30-40 of its 2-deck game dealt out. that still sucks by real-world standards. i'm experimenting a radical card-eating strategy at moment which appears make worth candle but ordinarily no counter would touch this barge pole. i'd forget about counting online in fact period you will more money less risk from bonuses. 4699 question on online bonuses john may. you responded to my question. thank you. but can specify what are and how they work thanks sincerely 4700 bonuses john may casinos typically give you a certain amount of money for signing up with them. example intercasino offers 50 depositing and wagering 600. if play blackjack basic strategy are playing essentially even the house so would expect to win on average though more or less than this due fluctuation. is much better deal trying count cards particulary online. by way commenting particular post rather starting new topic it convention avoid confusion response start thread. 4701 more on bonuses john does intercasino give you 50 for signing up and another depositing 600 wagering is that what are saying or suggesting to play with only whatever given free not deposit extra money. thank 4702 nope john may does intercasino give you 50 for signing up and another depositing 600 wagering nope. have to put down as a deposit. they then on top of your deposit money so that 100. must wager actually be able withdraw bonus money. 4703 another question. john so let me get this straight. in order to cash the free 50 dollars you have bet 600 how is that profitable. or am i still not getting it. it only charge your account thanks 4704 not rocket science scarce you deposit 50 and receive a bonus. now have 100. must wager minimum of 600 in order to withdraw the at intercasino may your any time which makes it rather unique among cryptolgic casinos. further you'll need security pin code can take couple weeks arrive mail post . entire exercise after first will month. that less winnings although is returned within few days. try going website reading about all this. 4705 grand virtual kx i think virtuals game uses up almost all cards in the two decks before shuffling. here cardcounting is very valuable. bad software though. 4706 sounds dodgy john may anything close to 100 penetration online or off wouldn't be around very long if it was honest...but thanks anyway i'll check out. some sites with propietary software do claim offer decent pen. but they fairly rarely have any pedigree. 4707 clarification bone-us i think john is confused by the statement wagering 600 . another way to say this that you are required play in action so if placed a 2 bet lost and then won would have same amount of money started with but will had 4 or it wagered 4708 anybody have experience with virtual casino i plan to deposit 5000 into them. 4709 us players wolf star i don't think any of these are available for real play to those in usa 4710 credit card squeeze vpr man mastercard to stop third-party transactions by andrew backover usa today a new rule could crimp online commerce stopping merchants from accepting payments through third parties such as the popular paypal has learned. unless settlement is reached on may 1 internet and other mom-and-pop firms that rely billing miss out sales via usa's no. 2 card. holders have harder time using their cards at many sites use similar services says gartner analyst avivah litan. promise of was anyone set up shop get paid she says. it's not level playing field anymore if this goes through. according its 15 000 members banks unions won't be able process paypal. they are used most often small who cannot afford take or checks. even change consumers would still buy goods web deal directly with mastercard. biggest system it about 13 million registered users whom people frequent auction sites. require those deals so directly. that's time-consuming costly especially for merchants. reason spokesman alex lau protect financial institutions fraud identity theft. based rule's wording affect yahoo's paydirect ebay gartner's litan yahoo reached. does expect affected because work wells fargo. working hard an exemption catering individuals will sign them fewer hassles lower fees than banks. uses agreements big these customers. been one few initial public offerings in recent years. closed thursday 24.46. vince sollitto hopeful confident come terms visa accepts american express service. likely aimed porn gaming higher occurrences theft 20 were victimized last year 4711 you're insane nt scarce 4712 can they not be trusted nt anybody 4713 if you don't know the answer to that question somebody then why are planning on depositing 5000 4714 i ask for information planning is not a commitment anybody they offer 35 bonus up to 5000 deposit if are legitimate big money. would consider it. 4715 not in my experience. caruso at intercasino you may withdraw your deposit any time which makes it rather unique among cryptolgic casinos. all cryptos i've ever played have allowed me to the before meeting wr minus 1 transaction fee. kiwi sur sotc william hill or is on omni...can't think of more. who'd tie 50 their own money when required wager 2500 4716 sands 1 to and 49er scarce ..all have a play till 2500 requirement now which effectively makes them pointless. other cryptologic such high requirements that they are pointless also. but you're right at least those places you can withdraw your deposit minus the 1. 4717 go to gambling.com scarce ..and look at gambling grumbles . you'll see numerous references winit casino virtual 1casino.net bonzi and u1 which are really all the same places. this is without a doubt worst using rtg software. absolute scum. you might as well flush your money down toilet. 4718 northshore casino paddyboy what is going on at northshore. players must wager least eight times the bonus in order to cash-in any amount of their real money balance. credits may not be cashed and put into play once received. wagers made roulette or craps will count towards minimum level play. chips deposited your player account. 2 weeks ago it was 6x d b you could cashin bonus.i knew 200 for too good true. did anyone there were they able 4719 its an oddson casino new comer it means that you get the bonus and have top play lose all before cash in. when make a bet of lets say 5 goes out from if win back to won your regular credits. my problem is diffrent seem they stoped their 200 for 200. now 50 i think. 4720 northshore paddyboy this is from their tnc definition of first purchase and monthly the made by an individual at north shore casino. minimum eligible for 50 bonus 200. maximum amount promo chips deposited your welcome example a 25.00 receives 25 amount. 150.00 150 200.00 200 250.00 homepage. download our free software now get in with every month way to say welcome. visit promotion page more details . anyone notice few contradictions.i wouldnt touch one antiseptic bargepole. 4721 good reputation scarce anyone notice a few contradictions.i wouldnt touch this one with an antiseptic bargepole. all the oddson casino's have pretty save for casino388 which went out of business. i'm hearing northshore is also paypal payments in 3 days and credit card refunds 1 day ecxchange. english harbour casino caribbean gold silver dollar orion super slots be winner 388. another millionaire had offer about week then doubled play requirements. 4722 northshore bonus paddyboy i am not really sure how the works.say if you get 50 bet 5 a hand then lose ten hands is gone.is this correct 4723 thanks for the answer nt anybody 4724 online blackjack dutchmasta when playing does it really matter how many decks one plays with seems to me wouldn't if they shuffle after every hand. would this have any effect on basic strategy players 4725 northshore bonus bill baggins i am not really sure how the works.say if you get 50 bet 5 a hand then lose ten hands is gone.is this correct yep that's size of it. in row with any you've lost at oddson casinos have real money balance and showing during play. deposited immediately into thingy your deposit. all wagers are made until it reaches zero. winnings transferred to balance. relatively simple. played when wagering requirements were 12x cashed out small win few days ago. what they now but posts on wol had suggested that increased substantially. don't know. paid yet expect be. virtual exchange always up without fuss my experience. regards b. 4726 i was paid within 3 days. nt kx 4727 you can not withdraw deposit... kx at omni casino. they changed their rules one month ago. in the others it s still ok. but wagering requirements accumulate so ll be very hard to win upcoming months if u don t wager enough. 4728 mac qwerty wrong me again 4729 blocking countries pj_au entire is a reasonably common experience. some have laws against on-line gambling which hold the provider ie casino liable and casinos will do right thing by these even though being international operations law from country xyz can't really touch them. i've personally been declined play on two occasions due to my of residence. there could be whole range reasons why might block an anything abusive players local or insurance reasons. if you're getting all your money winnings then doing . i guess you can accept it gracefully move on. best pj 4730 only if you're worried about... me again ...a tenth of a percent here and there. there is difference off the top depending on number decks even with same rules for both. likely to be different perfect basic strategy but this really isn't anything too concerned while playing online couple tenths aren't going matter much doing decent job bonuses. 4732 technically perhaps but... me again ...from the paradise poker website currently there is only a windows version available no mac linux java etc. version. it's our understanding that games online work well on running either softwindows or virtualpc... and my as i know of at least one player who plays all those sites with 10 softwindows. don't have but just went jumped around tables asking anyone knew thus their table if they used mac. found user in 4 today. how do it do. 4733 casino grande honest bobby i just took a 40 unit loss flat betting out of 200 hands bj played at this casino. not totally the ordinary but pretty good nonetheless. was wondering if anyone else has their 85 for 75 game. so please advise as to results play. thanks bobby. 4735 bonus is your advantage rob mcgarvey me again got to the point in not so much of decks. use proper basic strategy for decks but don't dwell on it quite same way you would if playing onland instead online. more hands can win better off will be. i won't confuse at this just trust bonus. and go get'em 4736 fortune lounge loccout update a serious newbie i spoke with by phone today and they opened the accounts that were locked told me can freely play account but cant open new account. played it was ok. hope cash ins will be ok too. so seems peoblem is solved 4737 quicksilver owes me over 8 grand steve briggs i'll never see it. mike dibley the manager is a snake in grass. avoid this casino like plague. 4738 of course i'm skeptical. tg anybody would be skeptical on-line gambling after reading message boards through out the internet. btw my previuos post was in response to scarce. he thought i imagining casino spies trolls spammers and so forth. well at least you admit this fact does exist. have for some strange reason taken comments as a personal attack now accuse me being troll. not offended or anyone else that matter but only speak these terrible conditions exist with gambling. list keeps getting longer longer. it appears by your previous more desire protect defend casinos rather than public. skepticism is increasing read. feel something should done public over they are scammed of. maybe sort www laws regulations present can keep money without any legitimate reason. if think troll then good believe you're spammer. never said do there winners fabricated line. all say may having success time must ready able accept big kobasa up poo-poo when strikes hopefully wont hurt too much. 4739 tg has spoken. somebody . i have not offended you or anyone else for that matter ... so bill baggins experienced on-line gamer if feel being preached to by someone who never played no right be. cannot be until he tells can offended. 4740 pointless messianic ramblings scarce you say don't play online but feel qualifed to judge the state of something know close nothing about. some us have been doing this for years. we've seen gambling evolve and make truly bizarre transformations. all scoundrels weasels charlatans come down pike. talked directly with casino manager's found them be sensible people who score were assholes thieves turn disputes into shouting matches over transatlantic phonelines. i was considering going on-line as said earlier a generous bankroll it worth my while rather than mess around hassle small change. that is height stupidity given your present continued attitude. then again doubt ever serious. instead really researching topic trying network other player's how large on net stick newbie message boards such gain flaming away in futile effort pat yourself back at saved big headache's major hassles. why just admit you've missed chance add considerable amounts money because realize it's much more difficult spring 2002 previously especially someone knows next about go too stupid stubborn do proper research now regrets an opportunity passed. grandstanding world can't cover up fact what you're talking 4741 scarce bill baggins any chance you could e-mail me please cheers b. 4742 what's your problem big guy tg my skepticism is a result of reading many message boards for the past 2 weeks by experienced gamblers all over internet. not only here. do you understand why person would approach on-line with scepticism or are too damn stupid to know how something like this can possibly happen upset at me what i have mentioned any names on danger list unfair casinos acquired - so be huffy puffy offended mantel casinos. spoke opinion here's honest you. which here stimulate emulate perpetrate and castotrate. rudeness says it all. done nothing but voice an added little humor these tough conditions players warned about. bfd 4743 this is completely senseless scarce since you didn't address one issue i raised consider discussion over. it any wonder lasted only briefly on green chip 4744 how much is green chip nt carol 4745 castotrate - pass the dictionary please tg nt bill baggins 4746 12.25 quarter minnesota fats look at the catalog toward left of your screen. regards mf 4747 interesting promo joe bj the following promotion is available from winners playground friday 26 april 2002 est roulette every time ball lands on 1 5 or 0 we pay an additional 25 into your casino account up to a maximum of 100 if you had winning bet any these numbers. minimum deposit and 10 per spin table required. i don't know enough about there would be advantage here. maybe with balance split between black red. 4748 unfortunately.... bill baggins ...green chip internet page is not well populated. worth membership if you also play on land though. regards b. 4750 17 advantage ev 87 james your on 10 of roulette wagers is - 37 0.27 assuming a single-zero wheel double if rtg double-zero . with including bets covering the 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post in thread. because which shamelessly me didn't instead it tried use an account that exist. sorry any inconvenience. pj 4765 sounds like mg john may this mg. it means you can cash out with the bonus only after meeting qualification requirements and not losing any money. so if deposit 100 get you'd need 200 in your account to initial bonus. anything less but mg's increasingly seem be going over stupid rule which helps nobody. won't put off hustlers since reduction ev is marginal just increases volatility. i'm sure will ordinary gamblers who simply feel some justification that casino deliberately confusing issue an incomprehensible set of wagering order have pay people. 4766 this one more messed up carol i called the casino told them didnt understand . like what you said can withdrawl deposit nooooooo get 100d 100b have to reach 300 match d and double b with drawl anything its that stealing now at blackjack 50 or 48 thats hard no time limit though lol im 265 but bounching don know any other games thanks ps sorry about grammer 4767 i just put pj in the box and it went through . carol thought that might be you sorry if isnt 4768 try baccarat bet2gamble.com hi carol i hear ya about the bonuses. never play at a place that has more than 2 paragraphs explaining what their bonus wagering requirements are. there are too many good casinos have reasonable terms and conditions to be playing sites intentionally confuse you. if you looking for another game banker every time like wizard of odds says. will give highest expected return any table in casino. nothing fancy here just bet on everytime should do ok. c.m. www.bet2gamble.com 4769 yeah that is common john may they expect you to win 100 on top of your bonus and deposit. it does not do a lot damage advantage just qualify for the minus dollars. then bet whatever amount money takes get point where can withdraw bonus. eg need 300 have wager 1500. 1400 break-even leaving with 200. now 100. if lose claim deposit don't 300. its stealing in t c probably is. i agree sucks unethical. weird thing casinos think this will cut out hustling but fact faster hustlers. by forcing people larger amounts cleaned quicker. course means more volatility players. amazingly these netcasinos come up deal which favours no one i.. 4770 baccarat for bonus kdk where can you play the playing roulette and bac are always excluded from play. but if know one or even two then by all means let me know. 4771 ok thanks kind of understand after i read it 10 more times lol nt carol 4772 sites where you can play baccarat with a bonus bet2gamble.com hi kdk try sportingbetusa or wallstreet.com. both of these are owned by the publicly traded company sportingbet. offers 15 initial deposit up to an unlimited amount wagering requirements 3x d b in casino. wallstreet.com 10 only 2.1x rollover. let wager on and counts towards meeting your requirements. i hope this helps. if have anymore questions please don't hesitate ask. c.m. www.bet2gamble.com 4773 thanks for the info nt kdk 4774 made it slowly with bj . regression play 300 nt carol 4775 craps and barracts just wondering carol does anyone win in on these online casinos regular play not bonus seeking dont know how to anyway . 4776 not very easy john may craps cannot be beaten without bonuses online. baccarat could theoretically in those games which deal out a significant of the cards. i've been told that cryptologic's multi-player game deals 75-76 hands an 8-deck shoe. occassionally you would get large advantageous tie wager at end shoe if faithfully record every card as it is dealt and noticed lot ranks were exhausted eg no odd cards remain . bet money on these rare opportunities possible profit overall. but to say least this major undertaking probably only worthwhile with bot all possible. i'd stick bonus hustling vp or blackjack-this strategy adviseable for high stakes syndicate. 4777 check cash in new comer hi do you know any casinos that are willing to pay all the cashin a instead of returning deposit paypal thanks 4778 white list gonrem777 can you show the of netcasinos whitch appears in book beatthenetcasinos ... 4780 full cash-in via cheque -- microgaming and cryptologic pj_au in my experience most casinos using will pay your entire often insisting on it rather than providing a paypal option. ecash direct also provide the option of full-cheque based deposit. to be perfectly honest i've had much harder time finding which amounts never found one that not do payment cheque. allow return if you've made purchases credit card is more difficult. have an interest returning deposit cc presumably because has been refunded you can't reverse transaction. all best pj 4781 win bonus or nothing paddyboy john i think at these places you cant cashin anything unless have the deposit 2xbonus in your account.if when account is less than this will lose and stays account.this how grand hotel colosseum club floridita work.it pretty bad as to even cash deposit. also did ever get money from vegasusa am still waiting they not responded my emails for 2 weeks livehelp a waste of time. 4782 you are right vegasusa john may i think a few mg places do it the other way...i thought carol had signed up to one of those judging from her comments but was incorrect. deposited back paypal for me last week. so far as know everyone has been paid by them wouldn't worry about at moment. 4785 yes it was grand hotel nt carol 4786 this is not my experience new comer the several mg casinos i tried refused request to return all money by check. problem that have some in paypal but live a country where cant withdraw mnoey from back. so need gamble it and get check there any other solution someone knows of thanks 4787 timely transfers vpr man getting control of the payment receiving process is most important issue facing online gaming industry. credit card companies are going to be successful in totally shutting down use their cards for games -- as they should. only when a comprehensive universal immediate cash-in cash-out system will allow industry grow. gamblers want have winnings hands now. they'll tolerate it onto or account but if pcs could print legal tender would make huge difference. interestingly this technology exists there doesn't seem anyone with gumption universally available. my guess soon paypal out you'll see some fairly action on this. likely good number casinos that depend float go away at same time. 4788 try riverbelle mg or omnicasino crypto pj_au was the first on-line casino i had ever played. made my inital deposit via paypal and when it came time to cash-out they insisted upon sending me a cheque even though would have preferred paypal. cryptologic casinos give you choice of options although need wait for your ecash pin mail which can take week two depending where live. expect 1 processing fee any withdrawal. memory also tells that cheques over 1000 are fed-ex'ed at no additional charge but may be thinking somewhere else. nice monthly bonus attractive software. all best pj 4789 fast paying casino recommendations pj_au there are some casinos out unfortunately they're the expection and not rule. i personally prefer electronic payment paypal instead of old fashioned cheques as you can immediately tell when a has been made. two fastest i've played at thus far have global player cherry with being somewhat faster two. yes speed certainly makes difference slow or is usually my number one complaint praise an on-line operation. consistantly paid via within six hours 24. obviously your mileage may vary but made these favourites. nice recurring monthly bonuses although their software needs polish. lacks selection excellent blackjack games penetration tournaments. link to gp which shamelessly provides kickbacks myself attached. happy playing pj 4792 also barker thanks for those pj your correct when you say that speed of payment is probably the most important gauge can add some more english harbour captain cooks and bonanza bay. no kick-backs unfortunately.bcb 4793 captain cook john may ...have the record sending money to my paypal account before i'd actually requested it or even was registered. 4794 is this why casinos offer a paypal bonus baby blue i'm having the same problem. must be reason bonuses for paypal. i cant even get my own money back 4798 why cant i withdraw my money from paypal baby blue dont know what happen to other post so i'll try again. 4799 question space captain why didn't you just deposit 25 and withdraw it all 4800 bad session bone-us i had an incredibly at sportingbetusa.com. with 348 in action was down 92 flat betting 2 the dealer got 18 blackjacks to my and rarely went 5 hands a row without showing ace up. anyone else similar or opposite experience there believe they use their own software so i'm wondering if just really luck simply ripped-off. 4801 didnt like global kicked my butt carol me 20 d 21 dealer push and gets to many bjs . 4802 fair and streaky unfair. kx i think it s quite obvious that rtgs casinos are not fair. believe the percentages acceptable but game is random. check anywhere you ll find 99 of players will say rtg-software streakier than all others. this means random offers good so still play playing bj at an rtg-site like slots. bs also rtg-sites wouldn t surprise me if there other schemes fit those better. 4803 rtg is rigged. kx i think it s quite obvious that casinos are not fair. believe the percentages acceptable but game random. check anywhere and you ll find almost all players will say rtg-software streakier than others. this a good sign of being random offers so still play playing bj at an rtg-site like slots. bs also rtg-sites wouldn t surprise me if there other schemes fit those better. message was posted in old rtg-thread . 4804 and what game do you recommend anon78 their job on at least one site gambler's lobby is 6-5. there anything better tia 4805 reason for paypal bonuses and verification documents pj_au a number of casinos offer on or western union other payment methods because the possibility reversal where you dispute credit card transaction is greatly reduced. one largest fears any on-line merchant that customer will take their goods services transaction. merchants offering tangible books computer equipment etc have line defense -- mainly something was shipped to address cardholder. sites intangible such as even bj21 much harder time should be called since nothing no signature involved. banks commonly attitude people are easily disgrunted when gambling they're apt transactions way regain lost money. an more frightening proposition player who wins money receives cheque then disputes it's this winnings very often first paid out refunds hard has been refunded. fear reversals also why many ask supporting documentation driver's license signed affadavits bills . adds identity making it difficult individual later from few discussions i've had with casino support staff looks like there's funnel through if involved but i haven't investigated personally. downside all do find disreputable takes your may hard-time getting back wasn't made via card. best pj 4806 rtg games dancali rtg's have horrible job. their 7's wild and pick'em poker are both over 98 . maybe 99 i'll do a more detailed analysis later but this is just off the top of my head. 4807 but it's the most common bill haywood check anywhere and you ll find that almost all players will say rtg-software is streakier whenever a charge made starts with everybody knows... argument sure sign of no evidence. zillions people are convinced by genuinely random events they have been cheated. rtg very software ergo there be many complaints though where near players. cheating requires rigorous statistical analysis to rule out chance as cause losses. so claims like this -- unless person recorded every hand presents evidence these charges not worth considering. vague impressions streakiness about reliable as... someone give me metaphor here. 4808 my results are good with rtg pug ugly granted sites can be pretty scummy and rtg's business strategy seems to seriously flawed. but long term almost exactly where they should be. i see no evidence of cheating. now getting paid by is another matter althgether. 4809 ufo sightings nt scarce 4810 . about as reliable pug ugly an lv hooker's comment how good looking you are. 4811 complete list of rtg video poker returns dancali i've been meaning to compile this information for some time. here is the payoffs. note that ones wiz lists are completely outdated. real time gaming game return double jackpot 99.34 98.99 bonus 98.96 loose deuces 98.86 pick'em 98.74 wild 98.65 jokers 98.57 all american 98.49 aces and eights 97.72 97.86 sevens 97.33 deluxe 97.31 jacks or better 94.99 4812 note compiled using winpoker nt dancali 4813 could you be more specific scarce which casino did check these paytables from and denomination machines things do vary to as rtg allows custom settings for their vp. 4814 warning flash vegas online casino closing shop rob mcgarvey i guess they are not getting enough business with this site and will close it. cash out now or you on the 14th. http www.flashvegas.com is going to be down due undergoing an upgrade. upgrade allow supply its players superior service quality in future. referback therefore removing from clientbase until such time as relaunched. officially 14th of may 2002. existing able play 13th 2002 after which their accounts closed. 4815 a rubber crutch nt rob mcgarvey 4816 good point dancali i calculated these returns based on the games at winners playground. hadn't noticed any difference in various rtg video poker so assumed they were all alike. just went through and compared playground's to gambler's lobby's are identical except for double jackpot game. gamblers lobby 3 of paylines 750 instead 800 max coin. this reduces return that game 98.94 from 99.33 . list is almost between playground probably holds true more or less rtg's. perhaps if you find radical changes then report them here we can make notes. 4817 postbusters huey are we allowing referal links now 4818 thanks nt blackdeuce 4819 link removed nt david matthews 4820 thanks but... huey this poster has such referal links in many more of his posts on page. might want to clue him or just kick out. feel free delete both my thread once the problem is resolved. again for quick response. 4821 sincere apologies pj_au my apologies. i didn't realise that referral links were a no-no in this forum. had intended no dishonesty and made point of mentioning the order to avoid any suspicion dishonesty. must have missed no-referral link posting recommendations. without still hold same opinions casinos i've discussed. hope you will accept as an honest mistake not intentional disregard for rules or etiquette. best regards pj 4822 vp returns vpr man there can be vast differences in the between rtg casinos as well others. at one point we carried a comprehensive list of best games however removed from our listings because all financial problems these were having. continue to elsewhere on internet if people know others don't that are 99 return we'd appreciate an email. working some fairly major revisions site would like expand coverage online games. simple email concerning any listing game name casino will appreciated. webmaster videopokerreview.com 4823 this post is... vpr man the reason you can't rely on any statements concerning rigged online games. without statistical support simply has to be ignored. now if accused an rtg of slow paying i suspect everyone would believe it 4824 where dancali i haven't noticed vast differences in the payoff percentages of various rtg games. could you point out some these 4825 i am a serious. syang http pub41.ezboard.com fthepigpostfrm1 is very good 4826 for example vpr man you list jacks or better at 95 but the one rtg casino we still include in our site has 9 6 jb 99.54 check out qs where to play online section videopokerreview.com . there are other differences though. have seen casinos with 100 games as well some individual total control over paytables so i suspect most of them just going default settings provides and that's why see consistency amongst them. 4827 do they also have control over bj payouts r wonderer it seems all too easy for an online casino to flip on a losing switch at blackjack maybe this explains the strange streaks everybody is talking about. i've even read about hunch players recommending us use progressive betting systems pretty crazy stuff 4828 switches vpr man obviously software can be written that does about anything you'd want but i suspect most allegations of cheating are just people who felt cheated because they lost interesting given bj vp or whatever is generally a losing game for the player . reality more games cheat poorly tested than any intent to beat players. why when you give them fair 95 players will eventually blow their entire session bankrolls on anyway do think there some places deliberately they're rare. unless casino designed core with built in flipping switch isn't as easy it sounds. if company builds such feature only matter time until discovered and destroys them. short everyone so concerned can't imagine developing spending lot dough develop system would set themselves up disaster.... unfortuntately one simply make real determination without looking at statistics accusations anecdotal thus meaningless. seriously doubt was defeated by betting progression since great number bet progressions unknown reason i'm sure author either 1 ignore 2 take advantage it. certainly not an situation. 4829 where are the 100 rtg's dancali vpr man you indeed right that quicksilver offers fpjob compared to typical horrid 94.9 rtg job. i wonder if it is only one out there and seems winners playground's 99.33 double jackpot exception more 98.x found at other rtg's. state we have seen casinos with games now this would be interesting find. know many used offer jokers wild but was months ago. could tell me these elusive 4830 haven't been there in a while and ... vpr man don't recommend it for anyone else at this time but sci-fi did have some 100 games ago. that could explain why they can't pay their bills of course prior to brief cleopatras had quickly away with them... since most rtg casinos do seem real problems paying receiving timely manner we are avoiding them the being. still number non-rtg 99 returns listed having tough finding anymore -- other than 9 6 jb which plenty of. 4831 never mind i just lost it all. baby blue thanks alot internet pros. 4832 wich is the best casino on net gonrem777 4833 depends dancali first this question has been asked umpteen times on and every other board. do a little research your should be answered. with that said i would recommend intercasino to the absolute beginner. trustworthy decent bonuses good software. 4834 lottos carol does anyone know if you can buy lotto tickets from different states online i thought saw a few places this summer want texas pick 3 expecially 4835 apparently not dancali i found this at a site. you cannot buy lotto tickets across state lines. http www.alllotto.com questions.asp id 8 4836 ok thanks carol i thought saw a web site you could probably online lotto 4837 pj read 'before u post' nt tomza 4838 is it rtg or owners tomza i agree it's almost impossible to 'fix' any rng. but wonder. the software program taht slows payment owner gm who hold back funds make easy bucks for casino either by hoping you will not wait and gamble more sit collect on float p.s. thanks your past reply. p.s.s. do recommend quicksilver don't think should be vpr's list. 4839 'god's face in the clouds' nt tomza 4840 high deposit question new comer hi till now i only played 50 or higher bonuses. am thinking of taking a 20 bonus and 1000 do you have any advice how to behave with such deposit. should gamble more than the requirements bet larger amounts per hand thanks 4841 rtg or owners vpr man i agree it's almost impossible to 'fix' any rng. the rng isn't a very likely place for anyone rig game. but wonder. is it software program taht slows payment owner gm who hold back funds make easy bucks casino either by hoping you will not wait and gamble more sit collect on float has little nothing do with it. these casinos are undercapitalized anticipating huge marketing costs they would incur. in my view one of better products. companies tough spot. have default become regulators. all players essentially blaming their customers' inability pay timely manner. same thing happened other developers. an unregulated legally untouchable from practical sense industry so looking source regulation -- developers credit card now opted out that role anyone. our develops some payroll-related software. what if were held liable because customers couldn't its employees payroll taxes gaming companies' positions border absurdity nonetheless that's where are. p.s.s. recommend quicksilver don't think should be vpr's list. we working major renovation site. there good chance online list going away altogether soon. original concept had been participation help us find reliable games. unlike land-based at flock games encourage proliferation basically seldom get suggestions include occasionally emails anecdotal remarks about those listed. course kinds aren't useful. anyway this point sort feel like serving purpose. unless can way change won't included new site all. fact i'd develop asp-based submit updates data search particular etc. wouldn't see much i'm holding off putting time into address your reason qs ought removed email me we'll consider getting rid b probably go soon along rest them .... thanks 4842 faster games tomza does anyone have any helpful hints that can make web casino run quicker and or smoother this might be internally in my computer 1.2g the itself. has switched to dsl won't go back spite of higher cost monthly wonderin'.... 4843 un lucky nugget. barker just lost at 4 sd s amazing. to save the time let them have money why bother play through.just venting perhaps it is me or has any-one else experienced this joke of a casino. played bj by way. bb 4845 the best of everything. tg on line casinos seem to have even ones that cheat know you will not any evidence proof and if did what can about it absolutely nothing. i'm sure you'll here same ol' tune ah it's just standard deviation taking course bad break buddy. don schlesinger says he has no doubt on-line cheat. i were i'd be more conservative. alright they come out woodwork call me a troll idiot etc. 4846 un lucky at cards... joe bj i had a similar loss videopokerclassic. i've noticed that the losses on-line casinos can be unusually large but yet to see win is large. this contributes my belief many if not all of casino software in some way biased. although few better results lately than first i'm still well below expected return on play. you also have remember your rate play times faster normal so when streak hits it rapid effect. course bonuses make up for lower those big losing streaks suck 4847 re large deposits dancali i assume you mean 200 instead of 20. is this casino on net think that can do just about anything there as long meet the absolute minimum 2 times bonus and get paid. hit con back in my earlier days when was much more concerned cover based reading haywood's book. have since come to while must some i.e. not flatbetting at blackjack go extremes with majority well known places top 80 casinos or so . online world isn't like land counting where staff has been playing cat mouse advantage players for decades they are smart one would think. if it's then should be careful. yes make generally larger bets a hand 10 hrs requirements look fishy maybe also fairly bare play bit con's though still pay fine anyway good luck. 4848 some better than others dancali you mentioned video poker classic. there is much speculation that they are on the most rigged games around. it seems no real poster has ever hit a royal flush this software. whereas just about everyone who played lot of microgaming at least one. i don't trust blackjack. neither do players. though oddly to be pretty good. within range what's expected playing rare normal micro blackjack exist . 4 s.d. unlucky even for micro. maybe pissed them off or something. 4849 yes dancali truly get a fast connection. if you plan on playing online more than even little bit it is well worth the hassle. i've been using connection for years now and when i have to use computer without feels so horrendously slow. also do search here will find tips about making microgaming blackjack go quicker. involves changing some settings around in software files. general things faster turn off sound disable animations. but boss crypto are just slow no matter what. micro has speeded up. rtg still champ of games. 4850 oh tg bill baggins no accusations of trolling etc. i just nearly fell off my chair when read you qouting don s. the words 'you' and 'hypocrite' come to mind. only sorry went for bait. b. 4851 good post dancali thanks nt durham 4852 nailed it i think scarce this one place where a larger deposit is entirely justified for new players. dancali right about 2 wagers but that will still only take 30 minutes not 10 hrs. 5- would be little more prudent. don't see any real point of going beyond in order to make look good . you may want play than the minimum receive further offers. there no acceptable reason lose your own money on offer. 4855 of course... john may don schlesinger says he has absolutely no doubt that on-line casinos can and will cheat it must be true then. the fact never gambled a cent online is not consideration because omniscient. 4856 to be fair........ barker today at riverbelle i had 4 consecutive untied blackjacks. have never experienced that in real world after some 20 years. 160 000 1 approx. slightly less playing from infinite deck of course. 4857 congratulations john may ...btw microgaming doesn't use an infinite deck. that would mean no card could reappear in the same hand. mg just shuffle up after every hand of a single i think lasseters is only internet casino uses genuine 4858 software provider or owner... opa mary i think both the terms and owner are in many cases misleading with respect to online casinos. providers fact control all of actual functions casino--not merely supplying but also web design text stated conditions assurances player customer service banking services hosting licensing arrangements etc. is responsible for startup money advertising selecting a url theme. real time gaming not it offers above when casino failed meet realtime's requirements demonstrated that they could shut down casino. conversely owners sites have pay players has continued supply those resources. over these facets by continuing so operate responsible. doing devalues their product's reputation thus harming other adding burden alienating potential customers. honest harmed dishonest being defrauded. others putting pressure on because deep pockets do take very active role perpetuating underfunded fraudulent operations. if land chain did same too would be held criminally civally continues open claiming casinos licensed insured . yet now offer settle tco's debt 50 cents dollar. that's just lying pure simple. 4859 thaks for the response new comer i did mean con among others like millionaire casino-online wildjackcasino club dice casino thanks your posts 4860 metaphor the l ufo sighted 4861 to be unfair.... bone-us isn't that another example of some bias in the software 4862 so you're saying... me again ...he's wrong saying online casino's cannot and will not cheat it must be true then. of course it's you know true. the fact that he has never gambled a cent is consideration because omniscient. no his statement quite obvious undeniable absolute even agree with. experience might necessary to determine extent which happens but isn't required can thus at least some happen. or was your post suppose shot tg as if quoting schlesinger somehow bad thing perhaps listening schlesinger's advice i'm aware distaste for vice-versa whether him posting shots almost always only makes taker look gone now let go. 4863 he does not know either way john may ...he's wrong you're saying online casino's cannot and will cheat doesn't way. gamble online. that is a statement of fact. i do some basic research before forming an opinion on things. or was your post suppose to be shot at tg as if quoting schlesinger somehow bad thing perhaps listening schlesinger's advice you how long has been keeping this shit up patient people have with him please stop encouraging him. 4864 they're damned if they do and don't paddyboy someone has a great bit of luck at an online casino as soon he does people start crying rigged .i am getting sick seeing this all over message boards.i cant think that not been accussed cheating some have bad streak coming up with sort conspiracy theories one poster on wol says when she raises her bet the dealer seems to hesitate.give me break maybe it is isnt i would like see proof. there must be lots ex-employees out who know truth especially software designers. 4865 yes he does we all do. me again doesn't gamble online. experience is not required to make the statement that online casino's can and will cheat. do you know how long tg has been keeping this shit up patient people have with him please stop encouraging him. i didn't intend encourage as certainly don't agree i'm confident schlesinger wouldn't either. 4866 software provider or owner vpr man many providers in fact control all of the actual functions casino--not merely supplying but also web design text stated conditions and assurances to player customer service banking services hosting licensing arrangements etc. this is no different from almost any software-related business. our companies not only devleop market customers. it part process. i damned sure wouldn't expect my company become liable customers' customers because mismanaged their responsible for startup money advertising selecting a url theme. paying fee rendered company. what about arrangement that makes way slow non-payments by answer nothing . think rtg others have made serious mistake 1 more carefully screening 2 assuming liability mistakes. they set precedent will ultimately require total restructuring company's business before said done with. bungle btw i'm referring those participate casino profits -- thing may well be reasonable terms holding them over these facets continuing so operate are responsible. utter nonsense. could breach contract depending on course quit providing result becoming resulting damages. again own bed now nitwits posting wol thinking should automatically everytime one goes belly up. 4867 there have been valid reports of cheating pug ugly see the gamemaster online. but most this occurred with lower end software gss clock media something called mgm it's difficult to not be paranoid about online even name brands. when you lose at a b m casino know 99.99999999 certainty it was due bad luck . games are regulated and casinos don't need cheat still does occur from time very rare an ecasino can t so sure luck. i ve seen some crazy things while playing bj haven blinked eye unusual become concerned. conventional wisdom that didn because they could make plenty money without business booming in current environment don think logic holds water. market is saturated casinos. aren enough gamblers. getting new players no longer easily deposits using credit cards. now use paypal or firepay neteller. means another hurdle for potential gamblers jump over. competition fierce. ecasinos get first overcome their fear download software. then those through hoops just deposit. offer incentives bonuses only big boys on regular basis. incentive developers strong imo. nice fat bonus draw cheat. who watching one regulating auditing randomness fairness. put subtle card going do much anything. reams data needed collecting analyzing such of. number reasons play all time. say more concerned many packages currently market. example feel microgaming con playtech rtg rigged games. honest tend sw providers degree. doesn mean win s any easier sure. comes prudent 4868 like it or not pug ugly a licensee s behavior is reflection of the sw provider. i m saying rtg should be liable for funds but let fact sold to some downright sleazy and undercapitalized people. their stench rubs off on rtg. furthermore most sites have problems. they ve stolen winnings slow paid players done all sorts other nasty shit over again. you don t see this crap with microgaming boss even starnet. do happening consistently sites. stigma that are shit. pisspoor licensees brought themselves. aren at fault as seem insinuating . many people who 1 little capital 2 know very about gambling business 3 next nothing customer service. any moron could tell what end result brilliant plan would be. lie down dogs get fleas has managed pick up bad case fleas. irony really software. needs put extra bullshit. suggest stop trying kill messengers go directly source if want fix problem 4869 dont take it personal . tg what's the bfd john ok i'm bad boy. even a total idiot would have enough sense to understand threat of third world casinos cheating is far from fantasy. alright lets kiss and make up guys girls--there no possible way can exist online...no...no no..no. there see how well your patience paid off 4870 cheating paddyboy i feel that microgaming con playtech and rtg all have rigged bj games. facts man what want are facts. feelings mean nothing. 4871 like it or not vpr man a licensee s behavior is reflection of the sw provider. i m saying rtg should be liable for funds but let fact sold to some downright sleazy and undercapitalized people. their stench rubs off on rtg. since when seller's responsibility police customers don't disagree are screening them better bottom line that best designed written casino software out there. they're doing job. bad news they've aren't up task. stigma sites shit. pisspoor licensees brought this themselves. players aren t at fault as you seem insinuating . many people who 1 have little capital 2 know very about gambling business 3 next nothing customer service. blame where got that. while done job its totally absurd suggest they debts customers. there no product liability issue player has been damaged in any way by rtg's simply shouldn't liable. direct result willingness step into role. made dumb mistake. irony really software. needs put with all extra bullshit. said far away systems least those i've seen stop trying kill messengers go directly source if want fix problem i'm messangers frankly could care less. interest fixing even seeing fixed. just doesn't matter me. perhaps point me few other instances businesses held account selling products then abused reply woman successfully sued mcdonalds after dumping hot coffee her lap will my case 4872 you feel vpr man for example i that microgaming con playtech and rtg all have rigged bj games. this kind of remark is useless. if don't some statistics to back it up what means absolutely nothing. there were way screen board wol others eliminate players' feelings then might meaningful data. see little evidence suggest cheating occurring in online i'm sure somebody somewhere doing it. i've seen a couple posts here on gc where people had at least somewhat compelling but only couple. general players feeling . 4873 question stupid one carol can you wager on craps or barracts whatever not to count as req. of course then play bj in between does the casino looked down this. maybe give them a excuse pay . trying keep it simple is even worth thanks 4874 it's my opinion pug ugly that these sw groups are dealing non-random games. you will have to take it or leave it. i'm not here convince one way the others but i understand your doubt about statements. no hard proof other than consistently poor results. as also said above there valid reports at gamemaster's website which provide facts for some of cheating most little known and rarely played . however main point post was simple has occurred with online software so pays be leery all brands software. saying shouldn t play just cautious. almost everyday myself don't give places benefit doubt. onus is on providers me they a fair game. spend very effort in regard. 4875 i wouldn't pug ugly if the offer states a particular game is excluded go near it. know of players who have had problems with this. it always best to stick follow rules letter. that way your ass covered. 4876 hearts quicken time passes slowly rob mcgarvey that's what happens when people raise their bets. it's all a part of the excitement gambling. why they think game slows down we are not gambling without an edge which will continue to separate us from rest online players out there. it do no good trying convince that can make money doing this. i feel should use this board tell each other about newest deals there and avoid confrontations with say can't be done. playing devils advocate. honestly want believe but just take first step. old saying leading horse water comes mind. 4877 thanks thats what i thought nt carol 4878 faq re this board rob mcgarvey is it okay fine to post great casino deals here or would that be considered spam i have a good 300 30 bonus for new players may helpful some. 4879 don't see why not kdk i've played roulette and baccarat in between mostly at mg casinos. what you wager does go towards the bonus win or lose. but i have seen some casinos rules who explicitly invalidate if play games which qualify. think golden palace that rule ones running 200 bonuses. 4880 not sure if it is considered spam but...... bill baggins ...this equivalent to 17.3x 100 match bonus and so may be a 'great casino deal' by some. regards b. 4881 17.3 rob mcgarvey 17.3x 100 match bonus..... please explain these numbers to me if you can thank 4882 forget imagination and feelings paddyboy i ve seen some crazy things at b m casinos while playing bj haven t blinked an eye but when see unusual online casino become very concerned. why if you have these know that bad streaks do happen in the real world they virtual change your opinion. about imaginination .be cold pragmatic. best way to be is just gamble with bonus money then wont give a damn it rigged or not. own are on loser anyway. 4883 sorry if unclear - not 17.3 bill baggins my post may have been clear. the following is how i compare 100 match bonus deals with lesser percentage sign up deals. basically convert them all into equivalent bonus. offer you posted a 30 300 on 1000 deposit requiring eight times playthrough of and 8x for total minimum play 10 400. this were receive would be seventeen point three i.e. 400 600 hence 17.3x . consider these to high requirements. others disagree. sure anyone else compares bonuses way. hope clears maths regards b. 4884 i use a different ratio bobby the total deposit and bonus per dollar received. amount of is not very relevant except at those casinos with high playthroughs low amounts to get bonus--las vegas usa casino online et al come mind bottom line how much are you giving up in expected value dollars my personal rule will playthrough 4000 for 100 unless haven't received many offers. anything beyond that bit excessive. howevever am part time player. people play lot could justify playing offers 5-6k bonus. after all only most 5 thousand played. offer mentioned above 10k 300 meets requirements but favorable b c it microgaming slow software requiring me bet three times normal avoid forever . 4885 rating bonuses bone-us others definately do compare offers but my scale is a little different. i use an excel sheet to rank them so can then choose the best. formula as follow bonus 4 wagering deposit 100 results are evaluated follows probably too good be true. re-read fine print. 40-100 really offer. 30-40 20-30 marginal also automatically give of 0 for cash-in winnings only or must 2x offers. afore mentioned offer rates 12 on scale. this makes sense me since would assume 98 return 10400 required action. leave with expected gain whopping 92 whole lot play. variance could easily stick 3-digit loss not worth it in book. 4886 bone-us can you explain.... bill baggins ... the basis of your formula source derivation etc. as i don't quite undestand it. also for example given come out with 1.15 rather than 12 may not be plugging numbers in correctly . one last thing - ev offer rob posted is region 248 if we use an approximate house edge 0.5 microgaming blackjack. why calculate using 98 return often quoted isn't this figure calculated all players i.e. including those optimal basic strategy am course ignoring debate about fairness bj on post. regards b. 4887 sorry bone-us should have cut an extra 0 - i do get 12 nt bill baggins 4888 98 bone-us is just my own figure i use for expected return at on-line casinos. it's pessimistic way of estimating what expect to get. started with this number quite a while ago and turned out actually be very accurate overall play so far. however it was not originally meant evaluating bonuses risk reduction since higher requirements results in lower return. later wanted account the amount bonus came up other formula. formula admittedly blind edge different software but feel that house inconsequential compared wagering requirements. think good indicator which will most money time spent. 4889 bonuses paddyboy yes.that is exactly the way i do it.i would rather play a lot of small 100 than this one.6 50 for offers at 8x d b through 4800 altogether.although you have to consider downloading time aswell. blackjack ballroom offer 100.3x 450 playthrough.which actually 4.5x .which ok. worst seen blackjack.com 25 and playthrough 1500 which in comparison method 30x 4890 online rating systems rob mcgarvey okay let me check this. great discussion by the way. bonus 4 wagering deposit 100 300 x div 8 1000 1200 2400 8000 10400 1040 1.15 so if we use 10 as divisor it will be 11.5 and this must ev of around or 11 advantage which is still very good compared to a hand held game blackjack. egde smaller than -.22 from what i can calculate return on investement expected 278 - 22.88 standard deviation could go either 4891 not quite i think..... bill baggins think the 'bone-us' formula as it is known in mathematical circles a way of him her scoring bonus opportunities taking into account play requirements and hence time variance to aid decisions about which bonuses play. don't produces numerical estimate advantage expressed percentage you have summised. if we take 278 expected return on investment this 10400 100 2.7 rightly point out excess most good counters expectations unless are shuffle tracking card steering hole reading demon . were making was that even though comparison traditional counting terms online prime opportunity. for example with old gaming club 150 match 5x d b playthrough whopping 147 1500 9.8 there also better 30 or so there. regards b. 4892 ratings bone-us you had a slight math error. wrote rating 1200 div 10400 100 1040 1.15 it should be 104 11.54 rounded to 12 regardless this is not some higher calculation. i know calculus but also when using will just make things more complicated than they have be. the number unitless indicator of how good an offer is. your argument that expect 278 worth profit from such so one. my formula rates poorly compared others. there's no playing positive ev game with bonus and much work other offers let's take matching 5x both wagering requirement 40 in . expected only 97.8 right. however play 1000 action. could 10 these would still less action 400 978 3 casinos 3000 equal same return 278. additionally put 300 at risk different instead single casino. can say reduction don't mean bash or mentioned i'm trying help define what are really good. 4893 microgaming's blacklist scarce a while back i posted complete list of rtg casino's and my opinions. did so because many them were are places to be extremely wary with shoddy business practices. the unsuspecting could really get lot more than they bargained for. it now seems microgaming has lowered their standards considerably there some using that software which would urge caution. won't do critique every casino but will mention one's consider less ethical watch out 1. good fellows hit scene in last two months looked very promising. original sign-up was generous one fact believe suffered nervous breakdown after first week operation. quickly doubled requirements an got rid free 50 offer. since then have been numerous reports non-payment player's winnings conficated deposits held during interminable audit etc. still not paid had returned. textbook example how open damage control later. 2. golden riviera slow payments large cases confiscated. new sister opening today. 3. vegasusa or non-payments customers. seem vendetta against all danish players refusing pay keeping deposits. 4. fortune lounge group 7sultans vegas villa room royal palms few lock accounts rather indiscriminantly. they'll also add your name negative database if suspect bonus hustling. 5. bella changed promotion terms mid-stream games no right mind plays. may others these come mind. change initial wagering without notification posting on websites especially careful when place opens. wouldn't take too for turn into rtg. 4894 addendum scarce i probably should have changed that title from blacklist to rogues as there were places on it which i'd recommend at least attempting their sign-up offer. and insinuated this a recent phenomenon. really isn't. microgaming has also had messes clean up with golden palace when they used mg software the entire tropika fiasco of couple years ago. after much foot-dragging did make some attempt limit damage reputation settle player's who owed. majority i've found be professionally run but are few bad apples. 4895 i would add a couple bobby sports illustrated casino and captain cooks. this past summer last june july they were both offering 200 for 400 buy in repeat offers with only 2k playthrough. played these total of 5 times between the two casinos. it took forever more than 2 months to get paid on but got eventually. have never received any other worth playing don't know their current status. think rocked so severely by just couldn't pay while. concur your list except haven't bella vegas nor goodfellows. 4896 fortune lounge pug ugly it's interesting that you have the group on your list. i do agree and would like to warn other players fl has a habit of locking accounts then asking for all types information before unlocking account. now not unsual an ecasino ask cc statements id but goes way beyond requests simple information. example if deposit at with paypal they want copy statement you've used fund account . many people their credit card transfer funds from bank instead. lot effort find made them understand did use paypal. could go once locked my over some small mix-up threatened keep very large balance winnings until managed make series phone calls which ended someone calling lounge. play there own risk. playing means run risk holding onto money. 4897 reply scarce illustrated and captain cooks do pay but i have hear reports of very slow for some players. the large bonus offers tend to get cut off if you too many them don't deposit without a bonus. players still receive these by staying in their good graces. it's sometimes worth an e-mail or phone call ask how back on promotions list. 4898 great rob mcgarvey okay. i knew was not getting what you were saying and that is why went thru it the way did so could correct me. want to understand logic have some method of comparing these apples those oranges. agree this best deal out there. old 150 x 5 good enough. thread has evolved quite nicely am enjoying all information. been asking around for type standard evaluate bonuses. would like make an excel spread sheet test them with. 4899 bone-i rob mcgarvey i think the 'bone-us' formula as it is known in mathematical circles this name for a universal method to compare bonuses and if so posted somewhere or sort of an underground thing what ever math we can expect come away with around 300 - risk 1000 spend far too much time playing bonus unless are betting big. should also up help us pick size our average bets. say x 7 14000 action. 25 seems reasonable. on another topic progressions bascially useless vs neg ev games but find them rather productive from point that will me put required action while looking like loser whose luck never run out..smile any comments re without sounding progression board grin 4902 screening willyhoppy looks like you guys are not doing a very good job at networking how could it be improved 4903 nope bill baggins i think the 'bone-us' formula as it is known in mathematical circles this name for a universal method to compare bonuses and if so posted somewhere or sort of an underground thing no was just attempt at joke. poor maybe. please accept my apologies jovially inept. regards b. 4904 golden riveira is rather sleazy river nile offers 150 bonus nt queen sm 4905 software provider partially responsible dancali you are portraying the as a disinterested party who should not be held accountable for actions of those use software. but is complicit with casinos. rtg collects an ongoing commission from players that its casinos rip off. in very real sense partner crime dishonest casino operators. it can pull plug on operations instead if prefers to keep them open continue reap commissions received ripped off players. another note online industry has no regulation and many would argue providers have burden placed regulate industry. 4906 progressions rob barker i am not so sure that these games can be rated as pos ev.as during play thru each and every bet has a neg ev. the fact our b roll is in effect being supplimented by house does'nt really change things. this just opinion of non math observer player. now have used oscar's grind to rapidly total up required action mostly gain some profit along way but soon my balance went south returned beginnibng sequence thus staying black any thoughts out 6 casinos played did tap completely 150 although was questionable game overall. one last point several are stipulating you 2 x bonus deposit account qualify for cash question should offers ignored or there still potential if obtain an agregate result.all best bb. 4908 river nile - forget it. caruso golden riviera slow payments large winnings not paid and in some cases confiscated. they have a new sister casino opening today. i dare say that you too had your claim rejected deposit returned with good ole' b.a. as the explanation. hope this is simply sleaze opposed to proc cyber thing but i'm being optimistic. 4909 cc john may captain cook's paid me very quickly via paypal. are you sure this isn't just processing confusion i was pleased with them. 4910 2x bonus to cash out. bonu-us i would avoid these. first of all you have a less than 50 chance coming out ahead by this amount. therefore the expected return for playing many these offers is cumulative amounts played for. kinda like match play chips. and since there are only few places with stipulation could easily lose at every one them. additionally sleazy way bringing in players who didn't properly read terms sticking it them when they try bonus. wouldn't too much faith such casino paying even if do win. 4911 reply 2 scarce this seems to be disorganization rather than malfeasance. you may read the complaints at gambling.com also about cooks illustrated. i've heard from larger winners who had lengthy waits for wins. that said i consider both places reputable unlike others listed whom disreputable rogues. 4912 bonus blacklist bone-us i thought it might be useful to post my casino for others 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idea to look for the subtext in comments about casinos. above most people got paid eventually . customer service suck payments be slow but if you are more than likely get still deal. playing site with very bonus mathematically justified unless being ripped off virtually certain. 4914 usefull list appreciated thanks. nt barker 4915 good points thanks nt barker 4917 thanks and a question anon78 this was very helpful list. for taking the time to put it together. what do you mean by no real bonus i have seen geisha example saying they'l refund your loss up 100. are that if they then some play requirement otherwise don't understand since guarantee like is certainly valuable consider lva's analysis of harrah's rio promotion along those lines in past . 4918 agree w anon78 scarce one other question do you really need to reach dep 2xb at colosseum grand hotel etc in order cash out i was under the impression that only applied cashing bonus. but haven't played any of those newbie offers well over a year. good list though. 4919 disinterested party vpr man you are portraying the software provider as a who should not be held accountable for actions of those use software. i don't intend to go that far. they're but they marginally interested. have certainly been -- killed in public by bad press gotten. simply believe some it is unfair see no reason rtg or other companies liable mistakes their customers. do think need improve screening process and i'm certain will over time. fact providing turnkey operation way makes them responsible operators slow pays undercapitalized. also paying has bearing. understand whiners on these forums want blame someone anyone business monkeying with an unregulated one. if can't stand heat get out kitchen. when play gaming situation people going stung from time complicit casinos. collects ongoing commission players its casinos rip off. very real sense partner crime dishonest casino operators. nonsense. every right try sell product whomever wish. must live die opinion develops response underscreening applicants. another note online industry regulation many would argue providers burden placed regulate industry. more there battle ultimately credit card making clear job. last earth you'd regulating structure exists developers subject regulation. agree major conflict interest any significant role now come solely form customer awareness. service vendors regulatees regulators. really simple. fine product. design perspective something know little about i'd say far away best i've seen. unfortunately lots issues related directly colored fact. hopefully figure how deal them... 4920 global player doesn't belong austin boy on your blacklist.once you play through the bonus everything can be cashed out. no i'm not shilling for anybody - gamemaster just runs a class operation. definitely worth try 30 match. agree with most of rest blacklist. unfortunately i've worked my way best bonuses and am stuck working graylist. maybe alter-ego alias will have to make an appearance soon start another round...... 4921 cash back bonus. bone-us i consider a bonus to be no at all. first of all you make deposit and play negative ev game so are more likely lose than win. then get your loses back. now have minimum amount action 5x geisha again. net result still has ev. yes do two chances win but could non-bonus deposits many casinos chance each time. can say i'm gambler if want gamble win... go for it. as far playing money goes this is not an offer play. another note there some on my blacklist that 0 offers these treated differently. how with course they usually too small worth the effort unless you've exhausted good offers. in fact played free 20 got little lucky cashed out was actually paid without putting dime risk. definately impressed me going their offer. 4922 cashin dep. 2x bonus no way bone-us directly from colosseum and others 100 initial purchase 70 match 10 sign up 20 paypal firepay or neteller cash-in will only be possible for winnings of at least 300. 140 40 i could read this a meaning that if you get lucky build your 200 deposit into 310 then 310. also as have balance can 110 maybe they intend above 300 10. either it's bad offer. 4923 agreed - global player removed nt bone-us 4924 do play through requirements carry over guess who lets say abc casino gives you a 50 match on deposit with 3 times action. assume make one bet of 100 and lose the whole thing. are not met. they next following month 4925 two global-player question gonrem777 wich penetration offers global-payer single-deck and can i play head-to-head 4926 sunny alleges rigged rng receives death threats opa mary from www.gonegambling.com press release casino fortune finally obtains player balances but at what cost in the few weeks since s servers were seized by mohawk internet technologies mit and microgaming there have been trojans which crashed customers hard drives spam emails newspaper articles about martin moshal major south african newspapers. after being 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dealt spin asks generated specific port. 4. weighting result come back within skewed. 5. parameters passed type hh mm ss ss.sss request etc. service weighted according left blank. 6. recorded client. has gambling 1996 well respected known excellent customer fast payouts lucrative bonuses. company places satisfaction above all else always remain . 4927 for crypto yes. nt caruso 4928 what's going on with poker cosmo d.edge their web site appears to be down. has anyone heard anything about them 4929 global interactive gaming summit expo rob mcgarvey here is a list of exibits at the toronto i-casino this year. starts may 13th. http www.rivercitygroup.com summit2002 exhibitorlist.cfm 4930 read em and weep. nt kojak 4931 wish i had scarce sadly to play anyway. felt like an rtg place when they're desperate for cash. ugh..... only played at golden riviera once a few years ago and after waiting couple of months my winnings never bothered return. 4932 i can take no more..... bill baggins following the completion of this posting am setting out upon a quest. aim to find person who writes code that underpins microgaming's blackjack. my quest shall be committing most heinous murder in history mankind. his her or their death deaths will slow painful and remorseless. have decided set drastic path after attempting stab hands dealer as was dealt 5s 6s while he she drew ten ubiquitous ace. unfortunately failed draw blood only succeeding scratching monitor process. may opportunity apologise profusely all those whom past doubted regarding veracity assertions about fairness microgaming blackjack either thought writing. now come realise woefully mistaken. even consider an apology directed at tg is obviously enlightened respect beyond humble capabilities. on second thoughts ..... maybe not. know should dispassionate face adversity but these things are easier said than done. any information help me gratefully received would suggestions nature fate befall aforementioned persons. accomplices welcomed. feel selfish keeping pleasure act myself. volunteers therefore welcome butchers given precedence . if you reading mg programmers run cannot hide. yours faithfully b. p.s. does anyone how play video poker 4933 another one who played at.. scarce ..rivernile casino 4934 no that pleasure awaits - will it be fun nt bill baggins 4935 gp penetration and head-to-head pj_au yes you can play any global player blackjack game head-to-head. i don't believe g-p has single deck games. from memory baden-baden is a double-deck which offers some level of although i've never bothered to measure it . cheers pj 4936 microgaming bias bone-us i'm at around 15 000 that's number not dollar bets placed online casinos and it's my personal opinion that there is some weird in software. it doesn't appear to be anything obvious like a shortage of tens or aces. fact the opposite appears true. dealer gets many more 20's blackjacks but so does player. problem seems when player 20 21 he experience very high win ratio as would expected. 21's push lose than normally whatever cause usual small wins heavy losses. this point let me say don't bother with prove shut up messages. besides becoming consensus something off on bright side isn't nice software make deal button same hit makes real convenient you get series stiffs bust out because showing ten ace. i think i've spent 10 hands without moving mouse. just bust... repeat. p.s. may suggest find programmer force him wager his life savings game blackjack site 4937 dealer bust percentages pug ugly the are too low when he starts with a 5 or 6 as upcard. i forget exact percents but they in thorp's beat . collected some data sample size was small to prove anything certainty and lazy collect more data. however did showed for upcard were low. m sure there other things going on it's apparent me game isn't random that dealer's cards not randomly drawn from remaining deck. note you can decent bonus make healthy wagering requirments. otherwise don't play. 4938 have they changed lately kx i ve been a firm believer in mgs randomness but had number of runs making me sure this is not the case. sunny accusations detailing rng seem to be true 4939 isn't their reno game sd nt roywil 4940 wrong kx your net result still has a negative ev. by getting the two chances definetely positive ev... you re also blacklisting gp-casinos 200 bonuses although there are plenty more than ones ve listed . i think those good just have to play them right. place large bets black jack isn t optimal for since need keep money be able double. it s better even bigger 50 of bankroll. example if use get 100 could bet 150 on bank in baccarat. almost chance ending up with 300 and thus profit 150. risk is losing 50. so an ev that bonus without wagering requirements 4941 you ll get the full winnings... kx i think this is a very good offer. have more than 60 chance of ending up with win 200. translates into positive ev about 120 that s bonus almost no wagering requirements 4942 less than 50 kx you have 200 which either turn into 300 or 0. the probability of reaching should be somewhere around 65 that means a chance winning and 35 risk losing 100. this gives an ev 95 is better regular 100 with 6 playthrough... 4943 oops... kx forgot the risk of losing 100... chance winning should be approx 65 and 35 . this gives an ev 95. very good anyhow. 4944 bj.com will let you cash in deposit... kx there are alot of complaints regarding the playthroughs at cryptologic casinos. i don t understand this. bonuses is one few ones where can back deposit before meeting requirements. this means risk free and might as well see them a 1 for 25 or 60 whatever fee cashing crypt. nice offers even when having large playthrough reqs... 4945 as i said... kx believe the percentages are acceptable do they pay correct just don t deal a random game. both positive and negative streaks longer than when you play other software. 4946 i've always been suspicious pug ugly i thought mg's game was rigged the first time played over two years ago. but chalked it up to a bad run. also too pwc's reports and micro's good rep into account hated that damn bj noticed same things again lots of dealer 21's small cards on double downs correlation between bet size hand result. then started looking at data which suggested did not prove random. as my results for mg continued be poor while rtg starnet boss crypto were all in line with stated house edge fair game. after wagering hundreds thousands micro casinos has held 1 action. is lot should have 0.2 anyway i'm tired talking about this. bitching well year now. sure everyone sick hearing me drone - 4947 statistics are good but... kx not very easy to obtain. rtg is wise enough offer the results in software. if you want ll have mail them receive it and my guess that risk of being accused bonusabusing will increase dramatically by doing a thing like that... when there lots ppl saying they haven t got paid from certain casino i trust them. don demand see documentation their bank etc. be sure telling truth. players besides me far streakier than all other software get suspicious. own indicate same become pretty sure. ve played online for about 2 years more 200 casinos do believe experience worth something... 4948 ok different experiences then... kx i ve also been playing micro for 2 years . in the beginning actually had a positive return even when not including bonuses... lately large very unlikely losses at several casinos row. 4949 am i missing something bone-us don't follow the logic behind statements from kx. 4950 thinking aloud alienated i'm probably going to show my ignorance here because i know nothing about programming and very little online gambling casinos. but is it possible that individual cards are not really selected randomly or semi-randomly at all rather the software has a large 'bank' of predefined card sequences any which can be perhaps serve for an round only raise this possibility if were try design rigged game would want ensure entire 'rounds' 1 proportion high low dealt was in line with laws probability 2 dealer bust probabilities yet still easy devastate player desired simply by ensuring unfavourable. example assume takes hole sequence 9 t 7 6. will initially receive . lose no matter what option exercised. standing hitting doubling allowed lose. 6 a. win almost irrespective s he decides do. wins as bust. win. splitting once point above two contain precisely same different expectations player. so one way rigging could use predetermined then each play. creating bias against achieved biased selection from 'fair' bank random 'unfair' bank. seems me difficult someone player's side table detect create strongly while keeping proportions on accordance results expected assuming randomness. instance busted right amount times 5 just happened mainly cases where held strong hand when had stiff fact appropriate ratio consolation again am aloud. have idea how these games programmed extent all. messing powerful harm chances without leaving many obvious signs bias. 4951 rivernile paddyboy i was declined the 150 bonus at and deposit is being automatically refinded to my cc.must be because put in a complaint gambling grumbles about goldenriviera's slow pay 4952 p-boy consider yourself lucky... austin boy that huge sucking sound you hear is my money going down the rivernile drain at an alarming rate. gotta check rules and see if i can grab some of deposit back before it's gone. standard deviation doesn't even cover this one. geez only saw about ten warnings against playing here.... 4953 go postal rob mcgarvey drop by the global interactive gaming summit expo. mg will be there and you can have a word with them....grin 4954 i'm missing it too bone. austin boy my rudimentary math skills tell me that unlike many bonus offers this one is really a gamble. more power to those with disposable funds for deals like these.... 4956 snap bill baggins have had exactly the same experience. some wins initially at several casinos or least not losses that disintegrated bonus. but then gradually deteriorating results. i don't know what this signifies. paranoia approaching long run something else. perhaps room 101 is actually a microgaming casino regards b. 4957 what are you not following kx would be easier if answer the post do understand. 4958 i agree started to hit on 12 13 14 15 carol when dealer has 4 5 6 . know probably shouldnt but do .. 4959 website casinos carol has anyone played at those with no download or flash only seen a few they freak me out . scared to try 4960 bad idea scarce hitting against a 12 is marginal but the higher you go worse play is. though i'm also of opinion that playing blackjack online turns us all into idiots or should i say ploppies at one time another. stick with appropriate basic strategy and leave out second-guessing. variation in bet size better way to if you're gambling. 4961 still don't like it. bone-us how do you get a chance of winning 65 if deposit 100 bonus and have to reach 300 cash-in it would appear that could not above 50 chance. be best place single bet less than this bet. now win can the full at once i see positive ev. was made clear from wording terms possible. you've done is case know. however has an extremely high variance compared standard offer. fair losing first 3 or more offers being down start with. why play when there are plenty 90 might suitable offer for veteran who used up good well bankrolled real gambler but intended blacklist primarily newbies normal players wanted avoid questionable bonuses. perhaps shall move these my graylist. about writing desription 4962 1cnp.com net head does anyone have experience with 1cnp.com. it seems like one of those too good to be honest types. i'd appreciate any feedback. 4963 i thought so nt manny 4964 unlucky.but its not your money paddyboy you are losing the casinos bonus so relax.thats why cant lose in this hobby.when i find myself on a really bad streak and go under deposit just cash in.so rarely my own thats dont give damn if rigged or 4965 do a search scarce use the feature at top of page. 4966 winner bone-us ding we have a winner. give yourself prize. you nailed it with too good to be honest . this place is real sleazy. direct quote from the blacklist on www.gamemasteronline.com i would like request that add one click play casino 1cnp.com your blacklist. they are truly scam operation. their bonus simply doesn't exist. can never cash out and not told until make deposit. also large amount of action at 5 pop before withdraw any original deposit if there's anything left course another will whole lot more phony money increase requirements by many times. in addition heard paying sites advertised claiming bad postings about has hurt business. may draw own conclusions these guys. 4967 answer... kx if you could play a game giving 100 payback would have 66 chance of reaching 300. 2 3 300 to start with and thus theres possibility 1 0. since the casino has small edge percentage should be around 65 . i m not sure which re talking about but vegas slots had an identical offer in that case turned deposit bonus into cashed chose place single bet approx 4 350 directly bj then 400 or more on double split like 37 any other winning hand what seem forget though is lose still left didn t once again wager 18 5 by twice row. also can win first back shouldn only consider amount ll s gives ev interesting my opinion. large variance think good thing don understand why so many hunters seek lower variance. this stupid. most us alot casinos total it smarter larger bets increase get time casinos. will make your risk being accused bonusabuser decrease check fees give profits long run. few ppl really need know how much he she earn every month from low those who me just gambling as extra income focus minimizing optimal way bets. cash wagered average before 0 less for casino. wouldn even instead lowest reach successful 50 might well 75 4968 i disagree bone-us disgree with your statement rarely lose my own money thats why dont give a damn if its rigged or not . following logic it's so you don't and therefore ok for them to rig the games right now let's take it extremes. say witness murder. since didn't get murdered yourself buy it. do mean these places are average gambler would be able figure out. uses his rules betting strategies does have enough knowledge of game determine is not. as only ones data at least support possibility cheating seems that we should stand by ignore this justification our they're taking know some might argue equivalent advantage player needing ploppies they advatage but different. more like casino giving everyone free chips start they've removed ten cards from every deck without telling anyone. honest on-line casinos regular gamblers will play bonuses offered bring in those gamblers. think best interest whatever can keep honest. 4969 thanks bone. i was just trying austin boy to lighten things up a bit for myself. somehow the last three mg casinos i've played have absolutely hammered me. streakiness doesn't explain these poundings. know my sample size is small but house edge of 20 yes no decimals using perfect basic strategy am not shouting rigged game i'm seriously thinking about avoiding their awhile. as an advantage player find really do like gamble with own money.... 4970 murder paddyboy let's say you witness a murder. since didn't get murdered yourself it's ok with right well if i did myself how the hell would it be me average gambler uses his own rules betting strategies and does not have enough knowledge of game to able determine is rigged or do know although am going study probability stats .you record lot data analyse it.although an easier way hack into casino server copy code then test that proof these games are no amount groaning moaning stop casinos doing sending virus their servers might.any good hackers out there 4971 my way of playing these lonestar while i agree that the ev casinos is not as high standard bonus have been exclusively vp at microgaming sites due to widespread concern about bj games. with this in mind most cases only a 100 dep plus bonuses your risk ruin tremendous begin with. found mg either cashed out several hundred ahead or lost all money put fairly quickly. usually start 50c job power poker. if you get lucky within first so hands will often find yourself being able cash dep. 2x bonus. lose down half original bankroll i'll switch aces and faces for increased variance. i've busted few but doubled through times well. overall am casinos. regards- 4972 good experience with fl lonestar it's interesting to read this thread. i had a very the fortune lounge group. i've played all 5 of their casinos and won at three them in excess bonus . they were quickest that never asked for any identity proof be sent continue send me promo letters about once week best which was 30 up 200 deposit meanwhile am still waiting get paid by goodfellows. regards- 4973 gp's reno game - shuffled after every round pj_au i don't have the gp software handy to check but gamemaster's directory lists as 3d round. mind you gamemaster still has global player's old video poker returns on his site. none of machines a over 100 payout anymore. cheers pj 4975 link to casinomeister's writeup of 1cnp.com pj_au the casinomeister says it all really. attached. 4976 good news about goodfellows lonestar i opened an account with before reading all that has been posted here them. initially tried to cash out after only 3500 in action not their requirements well enough . sent e-mail 5 days and received a polite response promptly stated they required 6600 order out. reversed my cashout gave them full requirement plus 50 extra 10 000 won cashed few ago. follow up stating had given more than the would appreciate confirmation of cashout. along really considering mail wee am hours sunday have now ach information procyber regarding this should receive payment within days. perhaps turned over new leaf since audit will keep you if there is any interest. regards- 4977 how do you... caruso ...approach the long run 4978 very slowly bill baggins sorry don't understand the tenor of question. regards b. 4979 prestige casino blackdeuce can't find any t c on the website for their 40 bonus. anybody have dealings with these. thanks 4980 i don t think so... kx made a cashin in the beginning of april and have received lots promises but no money. my case is hands opa now... m not alone http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 003861.html 4981 good one. caruso sorry don't understand the tenor of question. that beats off key . i award you frank stanton cup for double entendre par excellence week. 4982 reply scarce check the thread down page by bone-us page. he listed them on his blacklist. not quite sure why. terms used to be wager twice bonus but now they do things differently so i'd imagine just till your account is empty. also wrote no blackjack . i have idea as it's been eon's since i've played there. had problems and consider one of better boss sites. 4983 yikes...that's a possibility... nt manny 4984 at last an appreciative audience nt bill baggins 4985 2x bonus pj_au i dropped them an e-mail asking for their terms and conditions while they said wagering requirement was twice the amount which is very attractive didn't respond to my request a full set of can't imagine any online casino not having page legalese attached with offer . despite being boss media above rang too many warning bells tastes. they're aware that are missing from website. don't know if have plans fix this. 4986 prestige in early may durham i played at the beginning of deposited 20 for 40 bonus. terms when were 2xb but couldn't find that information on their website last checked. they pay to paypal within 4 days. have and cashed out there since time because boss blackjack is a good remedy my soul after playing mg casino. been happy with 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gp-group bone-us i couldn't find any reference to the at bugsy. could you give me member list of this group or let know where it as far not agreeing with my list... think that are taking out context . started because am helping a friend get bonuses and created for him so he avoid casinos gotcha's in their terms. he's starting very low bankroll little risk tolerance which i'm sure is how most bonus players start out. just figured if going all trouble compiling might well share here. yes incomplete. fact only looking 50 better offers lesser on all. again it's intended keep beginner from thinking an offer really good signing up then getting burned some detail btw avoiding term hustler implies we doing something dishonest wrong. using rules our advantage. 5016 nice work bone austin boy a couple more with tough requirements pharoah and oriental both boss casinos. also beware of the automatic 10 paypal or ach bonus at fortune lounge group. you have to wager 550 bucks for every money too bad 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rigged way coincidental random. either. had experience other sites pharoah's too ever paid sour grapes. feel experiences mine were rip-offs. period. love regulated inspected clean efficient truly random reasonable time. don't believe case. until participation like bucks 5030 not unusual pug ugly welcome to online gambling. deposits are almost always paid back the way they came in and winnings sent by various methods some check paypal via wire transfers. most of us have seen all this an more so your post while well intentioned doesn't raise any alarms here. 5031 yes...very good john may they paid very quickly and run some decent recurring bonuses. also check out sister site capital. pity all mg sites aren't like this. 5032 agreed scarce read the terms and check banking page. your sands diatribe could have been averted if you'd bothered to their procedures. i no longer play there because requirements are too large for smallish bonus. try intercasio instead. quicksilver is a bad or just 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month isn't unreasonable you lot across atlantic. remember players grumbling global player blackjack counters raising and constantly losing personally got moderately slaughtered playing their dw full pay 0.7 so dislike place. course may simply be variance work. 5035 gp vpr man i'm always skeptical about players claiming they've been cheated without statistical support but i must admit last time played at came away thinking it was more than bad luck... didn't play enough to be sure however.... 5036 i thought carol gp sucked . 5037 lucky and cap very good nt carol 5038 golden reef carol second time around bonus . got my butt kicked again left with 8 bucks of 50 better then losing .worst game micro ive played .once your balance is goes down a notch never going up even playing perfect basic. little bet var 5039 they do have a single-deck game... john may ...but shuffle-up after every round-with max of three hands that is not countable. 5040 anybody use card counter 1.0.1 nt gonrem777 5042 want to see a real example of rigged online game. just me again www.caribbeanfortune.com click on select games play their free java this game will make you laugh it is so rigged. 100 hands and report your results 5043 i could only stomach 20 units bet anon78 at which point had lost 14.5 units. what a joke. 5044 rigged like a pirate ship bone-us wow i thought you were kidding. my first 14 hands losses or pushes with whole lot of 19's and 20's on part. won 2 out 20 couldn't stomach any more either. you'd think that if they going to bother rigging game would un-rig the free-play version. 5045 jail dave r now that we know the whole thing's a scam how do go about putting these people in where they belong. 5047 what's the big deal microgaming and playtech play same nt pug ugly 5048 big difference anon78 i've done worse than expectation at both but you don't go 40 hands without a dealer bust as in your test of the casino just me again posted. overall i'm doing fine mg and playtech though i 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about online gambling beyond the bonus coldsteel73 i'm just starting out in please forgive my naivete. but i think remember hearing past intimations being good for reasons bonus. as if were only beginning of some extended glorious journey. where does rest stuff come one make more from or contests and promos whatever other attractions our friends might offer is it saves much on shampoo clothes because no longer requires such niceties am wondering what to expect. well besides carpal tunnel treatment. cold 5063 w 1 l 17 p 2 lefty hilarious after reading the above replies i knew what to expect but was still amazed see them turn every bust card into a 21 only busted on two of my twenty hands. remaining 18 hands dealer zero times and got about half time especially when had 20 . 5064 not playtech scarce they use ecashservices same as brilliant casino. 5065 nothing really scarce ..and about as similar to b m casino play online sex is the real thing - not that i'd know myself just what i've 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dongambler that this is the same boss media allowed their cybercroupier group of casinos steal from several players all whom remain unpaid. its obvious hurting financially which has prompted action. beware if you play at casinos. 5070 i had a perfect session roywil lost 12 out of hands. just like real life 5071 smart money revereman latest issue of magazine has a big article on how bad customer service is at paypal. i have only had positive although limited experience with 5072 betcamelot went bankrupt in february. james i know-- they took a big chunk of my money down with them. maybe if they'd had more this casino action instead sports would still be afloat intact. url now redirects to olympic who bought their player list and made limited restitution players . 5073 i never even seen any of these casino yet .thanksfor the warning carol pretty much a newcomer thanks though for it sure helps 5074 tangiers sportsbook casino carol any on ever play here . still trying to figure out there bonus terms want try pick 3 and 4 dont know why just do but says you cant with draw purshase money untill 6 x b d wagered comments this thanks 5075 tangiers pro21 i played it a year ago so bare in mind that things change all the time on net. usual disclaimer out of way don't have any negative notes about place. had no problem being paid thru neteller although think they one those we only process mondays type things. won 800 1200 deposit my show took 10 days to get paid. remember what requirements were back then. hope helps. 5076 8 wins 10 losses 2 pushes nt board guest 5078 matchplay bonus bill baggins this is a rather than 100 match i.e. you get account which can wager from but only and i stress your winnings when wagering are transferred to real money account. consider be 50 therefore puts the 6x playthrough in more stark relief. others may disagree. do search for winwards as similar thread exists relating that casino has exact same t cs. regards b. 5079 tangiers durham i had a great time at tangiers. it was the second casino that ever played customer support very prompt kind and helpful. they even gave me an extra 10 because complemented them on it. this in april cashouts once week monday will courier your first withdrawl each month no cost. take into consideration bill's post regarding bonus overall would recommend based my experience. liked blackjack unified gaming . 5080 ok thanks guys nt carol 5081 they fixed it bone-us after seeing the 8 wins 10 losses and 2 pushes message i had to check them out again. well allright. every 14 15 or 16 that got would draw a 19 20 21 for win time. with about 50 units of action was up units. now just wonder if you play real money how will be anyone willing try report back 5082 online casino fairness of the game jim in uk just started playing with william hill using cryptologic system software well as a regular winner my land based get out if you can when ahead highly scientific system........i have found on line sequences numbers at roulette and blackjack pretty un realistic seems like games are programmed to respond bets made not random number generators they rigged it. 5083 will hill is a good casino on of the best damiandunlap i have been playing william over 6 months and would say they casino. dont know what u talking about. how many hands did play 5084 re will hill cryptologic jim in the uk quite a few hands damian when bet was low 1 or so and you play only couple of then leave go back for another hand could win but as soon bets went up dealer won very strange often winning just push drop stakes again to results were more realistic if played continually without exiting coming always got stuffed. maybe it is because i am relatively inexperienced bj player years experience on roulette. still think software far from random generated. 5085 re william hill casino damiandunlap i have personal bet 500 to 700 a hand and won over all think is fair. on number of runs got black jack three times in row. do u the wheel unfair too. tried gold club both these casiino are real fair came up time after just like playing land. sir if dont play how know normal 5086 re will hill jim in the uk damian you dont have to call me sir glad see faith wh and cyptologic certainly i am not an expert on bj since size of hand play fact say win thats a good sign but it doesnt feel right even with my limited playing history although follow basic obvious rules. may be its because stirling version perhaps yes roulette does seem little un generous compared normal casino still cant understand how they can balls european when one zero pay half back for chances. 5087 re william hill casino damiandunlap hey have u played black jack at gold club and visit the winneronline forum play there a few more times then tell me what think when do. do come to states alot 5088 re gold club jim in the uk damian i checked out site but remembered that had read one of these posts or on wizard they were having a problem with pay outs so since really dont want to have something moan about will give it miss yeah come vegas once twice year cant win much roulette there compared england guess is because booze and all eye candy distracts me are tables dodgy know cards regulated by gaming board. regards 5089 gold club damiandunlap casino is one of the best and they do pay then even u back to your crdit card. i have got paid time after talking about wizard odd check his site out will extreeme on there 5090 can you teach me how to win roulette in england nt ice 5091 multiple new offers jay i've gotten a lot of online casino for bonuses lately and would appreciate any feedback you might provide on the individual casinos onluck five roses ruby dragon english harbour winnersplay been there done that at net orbital enterbet amongst few others with no complaints regarding payoffs though i sometimes have doubts about games themselves. thanks help can offer. 5092 rtg skar i avoid all casinos like the plague. anyone else have good experiences with them they bonuses that would llove to hit but never seem do very well and don't trust as many sites forums not recommend. 5093 see the comments lower down... john may ...about tangiers. also do a search for scarce's post on rgt. winward i believe have good reputation though haven't played any rtg places personally. 5094 hmm scarce winward and tangiers are unified gaming sites not rtg related. i don't see where they enter the discussion. fwiw though it's quite likely that you will get barred at one for playing other doing well. 5095 english harbour barker not only played and won but apparently a draw had 1000added to my account play through once increased on that was paid everything super quick. also good experience with ruby dragon winners playeground. alas so fiveroses want fax repeated over 4 times as miss ross sang i'm still waiting.be lucky.bb 5096 tang winwd. barker had fun and scored at both no problem also got a toke from rob.bb 5097 casino bar -- cheating in blackjack michaela dear all recently i encountered a which can prove statistically. am sending this information order for other players to avoid bad casino. think that it is important both and fair casinos maintain reliable industry standard publicly point out these cases so are forced go of business. my name very good player. play basic strategy. even know how count cards. playing use professional simulation software statistical analyzer web page www.sba21.com . sba the top bj against results measured. do regular as well on internet. since cautious player internet keep precise records games casinos. played an called bar. seriously players. you not need download. register line immediately start play. does specify rules precisely nevertheless after some time conclude following - 4 decks specified s17 dealer stand soft 17 doubling any two cards splitting multiple draw split aces with 5.5 ran 1 billion rounds set above result small disadvantage 0.1519 deviation per round one unit bet 1.1547 usual game. beginning balance including bonus was 875. during game wagered 5 times 55 10 54 20 19. total sample be mathematically calculated sd sqrt 2 19 138.44 wagering 195. expected loss negligible 1.82. however amounted whole 362. scientific test proves beyond reasonable doubt such betting scheme statistically impossible difference actual minus 362- 1.82 amounts 2.6123 deviations. significant. probability between samples could possibly occur by chance alone 0.4417 event appear less than once 226 cases. certainty 99.556 cheating. 5098 send this information to the wizard of odds pug ugly he will probably trip over his own feet in haste sign casino up as an advertiser. maybe bet 10 hands and then declare it a fair casino. lol 5099 sorry temporary lapse of concentration nt john may 5100 list by scarce. kx this was posted earlier scarce bugsy online www.bugsyonline.com casino depot www.casinodepot.com crazy horse www.crazyhorsecasino.com easy rider www.easyridercasino.com flamingo www.flamingoclub.com gold nugget www.24ktgoldcasino.com golden palace www.goldenpalace.com grand www.grandonline.com riviera www.grandriviera.com kosher www.koshercasino.co.il l'oasis www.oasisclubcasino.com lucky charm www.luckycharmcasino.com merlins www.merlinsmagiccasino.com mystique www.casinomystique.com vegas www.onlinevegas.com pacific princess www.pacificprincessonline.com www.palace-casino.com premiere www.thepremiere.com ramses valley of kings www.rvcasino.com six shooter www.thesixshooter.com star www.thestarcasino.com top card www.tcardcasino.com triple win www.triplewin.com tahiti club www.tclubcasino.com 5101 casino bar well known to be cheater mr deviant we need spread the word. i actually won 15 from these clowns but game is clearly rigged. 5102 english harbour is legit mr deviant fast payout and game appeared honest. 5103 ban them and casino on the air damiandunlap dont play or sci fi 5104 actually 2.5 sds... caruso ...certainly is not impossible - just unusual and unpleasant. i've had much worse. however this software does generally seem to be considered rigged so you got off fairly lightly. 5105 you're calculated house edge... dubious for that 4 deck game is incorrect a start. 5106 for what it is worth... roywil i tried a couple days ago and got wiped out in half an hour. so i'm not impressed or going back. of course could be just bad luck. 5107 i have found the same... roywil keep your bets low and game seems fair. bump you'll get creamed. this true over regardless of which online casino use. it certainly does not pay to chase youur loses 5108 bad loss but ok win. bone-us i've played a total of 3 matching offers from casino bar and on air. two these resulted in unusually large losses for only small net gain after bonus. the 3rd was so that i basically broke even losing entire bonus amount. if anyone is planning to play at places would recommending grinding it out with 1 minimum bets reduce chances more than 5109 wizards review of casino bar anononek overall my results are well within the middle bell curve. no need to perform any statistical tests just by eyeballing numbers they seem okay. scroll down page a bit for full review. 5110 no evidence but certainly rigged. kx 2 5 sds is far from impossible. you can have wins larger than and also losses this big. if had experienced loss several times without ever winning it would begin to seem almost i myself consecutive of between 1 at mgs-casinos... even though wouldn t consider your results alone as a rigged game together with lots other reports games casino on air bar makes me sure their are actually 5111 banned in webland tomza has anyone out there been prevented from playing at any e-casinos because you suspect they were on to as a card-counter. and what measures do take keep that happening guarantee your longevity. i've had some good luck i'd like think it's skill several cryptologic casinos - up over16k this past week but i'm 3-4 times day each for 20-30 minutes each. i know- 'get life'. bj is part of it. recently come back into it after years other businesses. won't walk me the door happened ac ago. also else such fortune crypto's. thanks. 5112 counting tom barker surely the way to go is not with on-line as it pointless. how long ago were you barred in ac reason nj casinos cannot bar now hence 8 decks and bad pen. answer i have played some 40 sites without a problem but there still time will be interesting know if others been 'locked out'. bb 5113 early 80's and not pointless tomza i was barred from 4 casinos - 1983-84 after 2 1 years of walking the boards with success. crypto's multi-player games are 6 deck w good rules about .1 casino advantage penetration before schuffling. you can reload on any negative counts to get a new schuffle if you're only player. inter is usually busy. but can't be timid when count up. 5114 ooops my bad tomza i was wrong about crypto's games. they are 8 deck s17 da2 das full peek nice to dd10-11-depending house edge .5 positive w advanced counting. guess have move now.... thanks the wizard and blackjackinfo.com. 5115 results are always to the left anononek it would be different if a few players reported actually winning an amount over and above bonus but i don't recall seeing any reports of this for casino bar or on air. 5116 report of winning bobby i won an additional 150 on top the bonus playing at 10 per hand. casino bar lost entire but none my deposit. do not play followup offers from these casinos because believe they are rigged everything have read. in own experience broke even two promotions counting bonuses granted 5117 w 2 l 14 p 4 bobbyc amazing i had to try it for myself what a joke. bc 5118 don't think you are correct bobby i believe crypto casinos cut two decks. am fairly certain they shuffle after every hand played. this is why counting pointless--there's nothing to count. 5119 they do shuffle after two decks... john may ...in the multi-player game but tomza you have been a very lucky bunny. even with shuffle-at-will procedure this sucks and cannot be beaten to any significant degree by card counter spread. please quit while are ahead will lose it back absolute certainty if persist in kamikaze strategy. really want count online i know some reputable places which give much better penetration e-mail me. 5120 so they cut 6 decks of 8 bobby or do 2 and deal refers to the number not played before a shuffle if its latter game is very much playable. 5121 cut 6 deal 2. me again hence the title of his post they do shuffle after two decks... 5122 won a little mothra i about 50 on top of the bonus at casinobar but lost entire casino air so you figure it out..... think they are rigged tho. mean with rules that good there should be more winners around. 5123 they deal out... and point for tomza john may out two decks of eight. sorry any confusion. you sent me a number messages in the form attachments. it is too dangerous to open attachments because people sometimes send viruses. if re-send plain text i'll be happy try respond 5124 bella vegas lol carol man i decide to play there first of all lol. second your wagering doesnt count for nothing jsut slots adn keno and table poker you guys know that .decide what a joke . never played online or on land but is this anti up then the dealer does quaify stuff. risk 3 win 1 5125 the black jack is rigged damiandunlap beware 5126 goodfellows rob mcgarvey your time is up they have been saying that will be paying people starting on may 31st. we'll see if pay or close shop and run for their lives with the money. who win mob untouchables we see..... 5127 if that's the fixed version... guest then i'd hate to see what it was like before lost or pushed every hand and dealer turned literally everything into 21. good for a laugh. 5128 i'll be in touch. nt tomza 5129 yep nt carol 5130 this one's for you john tomza firstly i didn't send any attachments - so delete them promptly. don't know how they got attached' as use norton anti-virus on all my incoming and outgoing mail. wouldn't f w someone else's computer because like when screw with mine. i'd the casinos mentioned. are of at your site saw dialogue in 'strictly slots' about morality ethics. one day maybe can go over point by you. i'll try to e-mail again compuserve mailbox see if present otherwise mail via site- cardcounterscafe.com. ty 5132 bellavegas is microgaming bob you're saying the blackjack at this place rigged i've had good luck other casinos affiliated with place. 5133 have suspected factor x i never played here because of postings read on the boards concerning this outfit. always that they may not be up-and-up. strong statistical evidence gathered only confirms it. thanks. 5134 slow payers factor x i no longer play at rtg casinos after grand banks took 34 days to pay me my winnings via paypal. such transactions can be done in a matter of minutes if need be. personal casino record is about 6 hours receive deposit back paypal 5135 yes mirco carol i thought so but you cant even use the wagering from bj for your req. or craps roul barracts vp . what else is there slots lol treid it didnt have any luck .didnt lose my deposit though stayed above 9.00 ahead thats if they say fill which probably will do 5136 had to fax 5 4 xs too but did very well nt carol 5137 online casinos blackjack no shuffle jethro does anyone know of any that are not rigged and don't after each hand 5138 fair online blackjack site jerry richardson hi the last few years i have been playing once or twice a week at casino niagara in ontario canada with bunch of old guys like myself. unfortunately am going to discontinue it because facing some chemo sessions which will prevent me from out crowds. was hoping one you might be able recommend good my only experience is star would not their payout per cent falls about 5 percentage points below 98 they claim. thanks for your help and nice day. cr 5139 dear jerry bill baggins personally i would recommend the following casinos from my own experience for fair online blackjack and no hassles re payments casino on net stanley acropolis intercasino all of these have good sign up bonuses too which should help you your way 20 at con 30 monthly match . check bonus terms conditions before deposit as this will affect when can withdraw money. to wait a pin number withdrawing intercasino. am sure others here make further recommendations but found games service be casinos. hope chemo goes ok. keep spirits up. mother had breast cancer last year. she got through it fine is back her usual self again. e-mail me or post if anymore with blackjack. wishing best few blackjacks well. let us know how goes. b. 5140 counting cards at internet casinos the gamemaster 'lo jethro. on gamemaster's secrets page of my site you'll find an article i wrote in march entitled where discuss bj games some that believe are honest and do not shuffle after every round play. them or have been advertisers so to draw your own conclusions about objectivity. gm 5141 ditto me again i can't speak for intercasino but con and acropolis are excellent choices someone who's looking more a fair game than anything else. 5142 some comments bj student onluck and five roses are part of the same group i've had reasonably good experiences with them. if you claim a bonus at one or golden comps another in can't others fwiw. winner's playground seems to be site has great reputation. played there have no complaints. english harbour its sister casinos also reputable. they're not rtg btw. i believe they use oddson software. 5143 acropolis yes fair con i don't think so anononek but opinions vary on con. no one know doubts that stanley is fair. however both will pay when you win. problems hassles delays. 5144 jerry barker english harbour king neptune in my opinion are also good to start. all the best and get well soon.warm regards bb. 5145 casino niagara rob mcgarvey cn is one of my stomping grounds. so was the cancer centre at princess margaret hospital in toronto. that after two operations sick children's to remove a grapefruit sized tumor from chest. we have shared bit same experiences. i sent you private email and hope can help any way possible. best luck everything 5146 my personal favourites.... kx gold club casino - owned by boss media officially so . has the most trusted rng of all softwareproviders in opinion. intercasino unofficially cryptologic. safe place to play... other good cryptos sands caribbean omni william hill inhouse stanley acropolis on net global player personally i would avoid mgs-casinos which are clearly rigged do like playtech casinos usacasino newyorkcasino dice etc but because lots others believe they don t want recommend them. 5147 grand virtual... kx is the only place i know of where there s a true point in counting. software sucks though and m convinced it rigged. they used to run 1 for 30 promotions every month which ve gained alot money from but now changed owners so no good offers anymore. 5148 i ve played them both... kx both onluck and fiveroses with bonuses... lost my money the first time at so that might be explanation to why they accepted give me a bonus aswell where won . in opinion rtg is clearly rigged sense streaks are far long positive negative do believe pay fair payback though. english harbour does indeed use oddson software. it sucks but s just opinion... 5149 don t agree at all... kx english harbour uses oddson software which is really crappy. king neptunes rigged mgs-software and there are plenty of better mgs-offers out if you like mgs. nope. i ve played both them but could list atleast 50 casinos would chose before those... 5150 hey are you guys sure about acropolis roywil i just downloaded and played for fun on their software. yikes was wiped out in 15 minutes playing 50 a hand it took my 2000 like hot knife thru butter dealer had 9 bjs including 3 row that short time. intended to play at this site the recommendations thread. but now am little leary. doesn't seem too up me. take your experiences have been different. please tell me more before risk sweat-earned dough 5151 2 4 anononek i haven't tracked hands on anything but . - sa is a land based group with british casinos. customer service professional quick and actually reads your emails answers questions. payments are without hassle. my results have been good although total play limited other posters reported consistent fair game. now none of the above really proves thing think most us would agree if they comments that this all points to game being fair. besides why cheat you in free oh never mind we already saw one site do jsut seriously isn't run by dummies. safe. 5152 try wheatgrass macrobiotics and yoga... easyrider here's a link explaining what is why it's one of the most powerful anti-oxidants on planet. http www.wheat-grass.com biochemically very closely related to human blood for that reason an extremely cleansing agent. you can pick-up bag at any health 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microgaming sites except goodfellows -- stay away they'll take money 5153 good advice carol macro. is a strict diet but one . oxygen the key to life fountain of youth 5154 riverbelle casino nick i was thinking of depositing some money in playing online blackjack. the bonus is decent at 150 for deposited and it says one only has to play triple times dep. bonus. anyone had any success trouble with how about cashing thanks advance. 5155 riverbelle is legit mr deviant paid me without any problems. mg software which isn't my fav but i got free . 5156 it appears.... the gamemaster ....that james grosjean wasn't convinced of their honesty. in his book beyond counting chapter 11 is entitled optimal betting and describes my not-so-humble opinion acropolis game to a t . after what was apparently fair amount play he states we won at this but quit when began suspect that dealer cheating... all fairness stanley leisure corporation they bought its sister casino avalon about two years ago may have been mr. played there if indeed assumption correct. for it's worth reader website sent me records 25 000 hands blackjack judging by data alone appears be an honest game. gm 5157 riverbelle and aces high guess who i think is a sister to high. played received bonus but was under some impression that could not receive at both. correct 5158 no kx i ve taken bonuses from both. don t know about the connection between them. do that riverbelle is one of all mgs which have been said to be owned by mgs. 5159 i don't necessarily recommend it... me again ...if you're looking to play with the biggest and best advantages you can get online. their bonus isn't as good some other sites if recall correctly they have 5 minimum bets. did go after them for a of 20 believe. deposited 1000 marched steadily downward until met requirements withdrew 1000. received check 999 1 processing fee in about 2 weeks. weren't unreasonable but smallish bonuses higher bets make it bit gamble profit. far fair or honest was easily one that seemed head shoulders above all others i've played anyway. had major computer problems around same time playing there completely unrelated any site. deal couple times through emails telephone calls were always very helpful settled issue manner left feeling valued customer more so than customers money. my experience thinking high class legitimate business. 5160 had good experiences here. nt pj_au 5161 grandonline chancer has anyone signed up for grandonlines 200 bonus. it seems a little poinless to me first you buy in 50 then recieve 100. have wager 600 the when come cash initial bonus of 100 is deducted. am i missing something or misunderstood rules can see any advantage signing this casino thanks advance. 5162 it seems payout speed has a big variance - swiss pro my records for payouts from grand banks and the black widow show nothing above 6 days ... in fact most recent request at last week took less than 24 hours to paypal. 5163 anyone play blackwidow casino carol any good i dont understand the cash in it really doesnt state rules clearly . 5164 why not 2.6 sd michaela i think that the ratio of actual loss minus expected divided by standard deviation is 2.6. deviations extremly unlikely happens less than once in 200 cases. 5165 i don't understand what is wrong michaela really think that the house advantage of approx. 0.15 correct. note casino offers multiple draw to split aces course would be correct only if was not cheating. 5166 i was using unlimited resplit so maybe it is -0.2 nt mi chaela 5167 i had excellent results anon78 think they are quite honest. won well above expectation and the fact that it is part of a major uk gambling corporation very good sign too. 5168 bet large... kx a simple example to make you see the point. 150 on black jack. if win have 300 profit of 200. lose ve lost 50. wager 450 more. do this with small bets will end up pretty close ev approx - 3. total 197. chance winning is 43 . so 0 197 57 84 7. not optimal way play bonus but i wanted give an easy example... casino giving almost 85 assuming they deal fair game 5169 which rtg's are safe for flat-betting coldsteel73 as in 250-350 hands overall exceeding bonus requirements a little playing multiple days waiting while before cashout... i would also raise my bets when ahead to make play look better but all hear about is people getting clobbered if they their so guess have ready-made excuse the software cheats you your bet everybody knows that . want onluck particular. will pay rtg sites use above strategy don't care how long it takes get paid many emails do ir money eventually. bear mind i'm new at this and thanks. cold 5170 which rtg's are safe for flat-betting kidgamer none of them 5171 riverbelle and aces high walt h. i played received bonuses at both. the results weren't bad. collected on 80 of bonus won an amount equal to 50 cashed out for 150 . 5173 no more amazing than...... paul02085 getting paid by many rtg casinos is. touche 5174 yes. no problems. nt bone-us 5175 your rules bone-us it's rules. we simply follow them. if you want to go fishing for the real gamblers out there by offering a good bonus then do it and stop bitching when someone takes hook line sinker. don't people take advantage of offer i'm sure would just love open up casino have flooding place without giving sign but ain't going happen as long is level distrust between player casino. this not away anytime soon so get used it. really spell terms plainly clearly with no gotcha's . will be much more likely attract sceptical gambler you'll spend less time money on worrying about occasional abuser like call them lower which reason in first place. shows at site finds these strange half-hidden he he's gone. all you've got left abusers that worked hard figure things. other hand sees clear statement exact doesn't scare him wording some list inclined make deposit. instead try pick can ban you're build trust way eh shooting yourself foot on-line casinos should lot abuse few bucks experts psychology. 5176 scare tactics bone-us i wouldn't trust what rtg casino owner says. the on-line casinos like to people with being banned but have yet hear of anyone really for playing just above minimum. it's their stinking rules so why them if they don't play by and then ask that we our money anyway know perfectly well are depending on internet users business as soon ban a user own is likely spread word throughout net. many real gamblers check around negative comments about considering at these this. in other words more scared you than them. that's power p.s. way game plays am impressed feel place will usually much especially i'm ahead since this may seem strange guilty taking too from has treated me well. hand sleazy operation get my minimum level out. 5177 did what you said and cleared 100 thanks... nt chancer 5178 rtg casinos are so unprofessional. kx i completely agree with bone-us... it s amazing to see that many pit-bosses especially rtgs do try steal their players money by making up rules as they go. if you don t like flat betting just add the for example good gold has done . how can expect follow your when abide them yourselfs and re even ones setting them... think rtg-pitbosses should have a reality check. which really sucessfull on net would name places casino intercasino william hill gaming club stanley acropolis etc. what those in common answer all high regarded among sticking wouldn dream about stealing he she follows know this ofcourse prefer play there instead of risking having stolen from an rtg-joint. owners rtg-casinos ace sleeve. general considered deal fair game. pitbosses were little bit smarter some could be sucessful... 5179 you re welcome nt kx 5180 blackwidow sucks and rigged carol is . to quaify for bonus u must play 300.00 a 50.00 deposit out of 20 hands won whopping 3 pushed 1 dont here 5181 far too little data... kx to say anything about wether it s rigged or not... i do indeed believe rtg is long streaks in both directions but they pay proper percentage. black widow one of the most trusted rtgs even if that not much brag about... . btw don t have 5 table minimums case you re either lying won large bets and lost small. 5182 not 20 but close . carol 50.00 10 hands 2 wins more i push makes 1 hand and dd win 3 s. what ever it sucks me 21 dealer 18 19 15 14 showing sucked doesnt matter long or short its rigged never had any probelms with the ohter rtg's thought we were all on smae side aparently just my thoughts towards casino. didnt have to be od harsh .... blackwidow ps. sorry worst lasiest reader hope u can read this 5183 i've done well here monkey boy had a number of wins with black widow and rtg software . i do believe they are fair. 5184 none of them nt kidgamer 5185 appauling advice no bj or online content bill baggins chemotherapy is joke and should not be approached with faddy advice. to suggest anyone cancer who knows someone has had that was terminally ill tried yoga now alive well as a result frankly an insult going through been what can very difficult treatment. also fasting results in undeniable benefit laughable. fatigue due iron deficiency anaemia otherwise serious potential side effect of seriously affect patients quality life. balanced regular diet essential during chemotherapy. the worst suggestion i imagine. however intentioned your it informed potentially damaging. b. 5186 report from the wizard of odds pj_au people who have frequented or are thinking frequenting casino bar might find following link interesting. 5187 what would be optimal jake your example was clear but a play with higher ev escapes me. an method of to beat these sticky bonuses 5188 carol. barker most peoples reasons for regularly checking this board is to hear of other experiences both good and bad.i feel sure that a thougtless suggestion you may be lying will almost certainly deter others from contributing. unfortunately its become apparent each negative report on-line play there are who have had satisfactory with the same casino. however few would suggest poster either way.it appears carol frequent player your which grateful.bb. 5189 barker and carol... kx to me it s important that posts are indeed true ppl don t scream about rigged games without having a clue the stats. this kind of behaviour just makes softwaremanufacturers laugh at us. what threat we software if is best can do carol did come clean twisted truth you like term lying -p . sure prefer board where tell they should quit twisting trust nothing being written 5190 not bj... kx i don t know about the particular casinos rules but a better play would be for example red black on roulette with whole 150. by betting amount bj you re able to double split which isn very wise although it ll give nice positive ev . if chose actually optimal way. usually two hands of 50 each so that can one them m sure whether this is good strategy or not. 5191 more strange terms bone-us can someone help me interpret the following found at www.allaboardcasino.com you may either cash out 25 of your bonus amounts received or any under 250 whichever amount is less. winnings made from plays involving noncashable 75 left in account are available time for withdrawal provided that all rules have been met . entitled to one off amount. so if get a 100 only it saying plus has anyone played there 5192 twisted the truth by about 2 hands carol i have never got wiped out of 50.00 so fast . believe that rtg software are rigged but blackwidow did make it up to me gave 20.00 play get my reg. which they should ok at its cool and who cares if companys laughing we not toooo 5193 thanks barker carol thank you im not a liar never have been just really pissed off right then . i was few hands but it wouldnt matter 20 or less 50.00 bucks is what are u suppose to lose 500.00 come on iand says sucks lol apreciate your and will stop posting like all of should do again 5194 all aboard durham i would stay away from casino as well the other clones that make up this group. they are rtg sites and connected to winit which has had numerous problems re payment in past. you might get paid not. if play suggest not investing a lot of money into them. http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 004629.html 5195 follow up durham i did play here by the way and was paid after a few weeks. took 50 bonus but in this case had to ensure that 37.50 75 of money received remained my account withdrawing. not very good probably worth your time considering they are most reliable operation. wasn't aware at time. also believe you cannot go back again try bring it for second withdrawal. be new condition. our policy is available cash out. amount 37 50. will stay any winnings made over above cash-out. 5197 the new guy says be kind to each other jerry richardson i am this online gambling stuff and have gotten a few lumps getting acquainted with territory. it is evident that quality of software critical piece puzzle also there lot poor out not because casino trying rip you off disguised pay percentages some but due incompetent programmers production companies. therefore seems we all ought stick together stop jumping down other's throat every time try pick up bonus cheap get run which 12-16 loses eats our deposit before they will back. would first admit sometimes depressed playing re-shuffle hand game where player gets 20 dealer 21 in 5 cards likewise an 18 against 19 five or 15 your 13 draws bust 14 dealer's 10 only him show etc. carol agree no need tell are lying bad experience at black widow. probably myself just see. on think should proof messages little better spelling atrocious - since somewhat statistics nut been running for casinos played mentioned earlier kept track 1400 hands star arrive my judgement were paying rate less than 98 claimed. use their statistical measurement. regard realize isn't infinity more play probabilities approximate themselves. moment star's sister grand averaging above 100 last couple days hope continues. finally want say thanks bjer's who responded offering particularly bill b. mcgarvey. look from time. as us old guys girls when checking dollar table cn good luck until next crookear 5198 kx carol barker point taken however i think that contributory posts should be encouraged as they are so thin on the ground.think word lying was a bit strong. it we now 'twisting truth' alternatives would exagerating or even 'subject to inacuracies' anyway do have last laugh usually its unfortunate take long pay up.be lucky now.bb. 5199 goodfellows gonefellows opa mary microgaming is shutting them down. source announces that the licence for operation of casino owned by big global which runs has been terminated with immediate effect. aware some time there have player allegations pay outs to players not made casino. in interests fairness arrangements still had their claims paid 10th june 2002 put pricewaterhousecoopers inc. johannesburg pwc . will receive player's complaints a view verifying correctness thereof and advising any amounts should be paid. this process entirely under control involved way. funds used such payouts are being placed trust or ownership microgaming. advise trustees all who believe they valid claim approach from 11th at e-mail address given below. note limit on lodgement lodged july 2002. must addressed trustadmin pwcgaming.co.za these clearly state claimant's full name login-id as registered involved. 5200 sigh... kx i didn t say she was a lier because of her opinion but the fact that play number games said did. also admitted to this afterwards. me there s no point in reading about peoples experiences if storys are not true. 5201 the amounts doesn t matter... kx but number of hands is all that matters when checking if software rigged or not. so you were not telling truth regarding only interesting aspect your post... i was irritated at post since start because shouted in subject and made accusations based on very little data wasn even true. next time cool down a bit before writing. it ll help both us readers . 5202 contributory posts... kx should indeed be encouraged. to me a post is one were someone states the facts and don t make statements without any evidence back them up. if screams that software rigged then he she better have something prove it with... regarding whether or not in my opinion feature at least decent amount of data preferably also an analysis proability this occuring. doesn know maths they can leave up others but there s no idea for analyze results which aren true 5203 turn a sigh into smile - kx jerry richardson without disagreeing with you i think can suggest might have been little more diplomatic. as see it newcomer to online gambling not casino we are going talk each other and help avoid the traps. is evident that players scurry after free bonuses frantically old ladies at land casinos searching for tokens by pressing cash out buttons on slot machines. said in my message one must play minimum number of hands perhaps 100x 20 even get an indication randomness deal. since hand dealt anew cards will unique sequence any apparent pattern such 8-deck shoe does. thanks your email good luck you. crookedear 5204 agreed complete scum nt scarce 5205 winners playground rtg changes summer celebration terms midpromo opa mary author topic the newest scum steps forward--winnersplayground jacksorbetter member posted 06-04-2002 03 43 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- no surprise here. yet another casino kicks its players in teeth. here's dish. last week sent their an invitation to join celebration. specifically this offer invited deposit money every weekday for one making a minimum of 25 each day from monday through friday. on saturday they promised all deposits would be returned automatically and bonus 20 average players' accounts. were difficult but fair. needed wager two times before withdrawal. then eight times. additionally information was website--i've got screen shot if you want it--posted way thru first promotion. once hooked into promotion depositing quietly changed terms. late tuesday so that now five did tell anyone hell no. email those they'd bait-n-switch promo let them know it good faith deal had substantially again. aparently are planning just keep slugging long maybe might opps didn't enough. sorry you. thanks playing at it's not won't honour worse than that. bleed little more. post everywhere can. save suckered deal. most likely even show up because have and--guess what --hardly knows. i happened check web site see about ways when across it. better made earlier while clearly said need wagered retoactively. how mister staw ever sucker me coin again i'm having trouble thinking hasn't lied very public manner or comitted considers fraud. played three casinos nonbonus play kicks. also kingdom bonus. think taking microgaming is reliable honest. story. feel free copy message entirity any board appropriate as letting been had. hopefully will helping some lose less own money. job 5206 thnx everyone nt guess who 5207 i got that email . carol really didnt understand it glad 5208 grand casino is a wonderful carol sorry about my spelling i dont look back write alot late nite half asleep . 5209 kx relax carol im sure this alot of people who think rtg's are rigged and i could firgured out the math . a rounder upper if you got wiped in th manner did would so too 20 to 2000 hands my family was gamblers cheaters now said them gee only played u 10 but not your cheating let me go for 50 .geeee. golden reef is another good example probably over 700 with tell they cheat first even went back try again guess what nothing changed like micro. sorry about spelling 5212 winneronline is a great casino damiandunlap they just like bonus hunters the best 5213 you sound like a doctor... easyrider who typically intimates that health is not the patient's choice. appauling advice no bj or online content first read full message. i did offer microgaming casinos as generally places to play. second admittedly post was largely off topic but some things are bit more important than blackjack and if can help poster by offering any useful options in serious matter will. find appauling...well have bigger problems unwanted posters on bj21. suggest anyone with cancer knows someone has had terminally ill tried yoga now alive well result frankly an insult going through been what be very difficult treatment. how insulting because there another wholistic approach problem don't recognize others acheived fantastic without use of chemotherapy it's suggestion either fact. people chemo brave unenviable road ahead sure this does preclude they mis-informed. options. same beating since birth man. think wonderful tool it works am means saying stop your way. just aware available addition apart from chemo. most importantly happy for beats cancer. fatigue due iron deficiency anaemia otherwise potential side effect seriously affect patients quality life. true. so what's prescription doctor few big mac's dyed red-meat killed terror south-american slaughter house iron-rich dark-green vegetable packed fighting agents...maybe wheat grass instance 5214 wrong bill baggins not a doctor just someone with some experience of the subject discussion. try re-reading my post and then answer me 2 questions. 1 did person trying yoga have any treatment for cancer you say they were dying way posted intimated otherwise. do recommend who has chosen to chemotherapy should fast during that i made no comment about remainder your these two excerpts which from personal found be potentially damaging comments. stand by original assertion. b 5215 p.s. bill baggins the no bj or online content in title of my post is a warning for those reading posts that there such and not comment on yours. this convention commonly used board. b. 5216 bait n switch rob mcgarvey same thing griftfellows did before the lights went out. all part of gambling. at least we 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big-global.net bigglobal online n.v. av. san martin pizo 3 santa cruz none bo 591-3 344-3390 billing jan 17 2002. 2003. 5218 fasting does wonders no doubt carol nothing wrong with his advice . and oyxgen either breath deep or exercise is the best cell builder 5220 kx i m not a newcomer but do accept the once who are. to me telling truth is basis of sound conversation undepending on how long you ve played online. e-mailed as far know strange... 5221 you think they cheat. kx that s the big thing here. come here with very little data shouting and stating as a fact certain casinos are rigged... i ve got plenty of experience golden reef thousands hands my says not rigged. belief is themselfs can t do nothing if game rigged then it set so by mgs centrally. probably right about there being ppl believing rtg interesting wether prove or not. in opinion don even have any significance to support their claims word worth much. 5222 intercasino makes it tough to withdraw funds jethro difficult make a withdrawl. i put cash in through paypal and now when want my winnings have wait receive some bullshit pin password that they supposedly mailed me. can simply the money back account. do not use 5223 hardly a reason to avoid skar most casinos take while pay anyway. haven't played inter but heard nothing good. have william hill and others that use the pin concept it's inconvenient better than sending in copy of your license utility bills cc statements etc. other require. 5224 good experience there bone-us my past with winners playground has been excellent. i enjoyed the atmosphere and i've liked their on-going promotions so far. taken advantage of two different that were both profitable. in fact over 40 casinos played at made more money from them than anyone else. course this does not mean they are above reproach. think we should see how handle promotion future ones before writing off. 5225 its not so strange jerry richardson the webmaster advised me that you responded to mentioned posting. i inadvertently tought it was an email from you. when realized my mistake posted response 5226 silly monkey boy all casinos that use cryptologic software do this. you will get your pin number assuming the name used actually exists and has an address so don't worry about it. 5227 golden reef is a joke carol they are rigged . youre the one that posted how wonderful well they're not suck 5228 not a reason to play but... kx very nice of the casinos. cryptos are smart do this. i believe they ve made millions over years from players making significant winnings and then losing them back while waiting for pincode. it s hard see why takes forever receive code... 5229 ohh... kx i didn t know the webmaster did such things... was it an automated mailing 5230 what s your evidence kx i ve played thousands of hands and know others who have too. do you to backup claim golden reef is my favourite mgs-casino them all . they excellent support fast payouts nice promotions good tournaments. 5231 its not bad... paul02085 waiting on that pin for first withdrawal can be draining experience trying to fight off the urge go back and play lose it while lol. but after you get 3wks avg us from then much easier. here are plus sides these casinos 1. have always credited my deposits paypal w in 24hrs. 2. nice monthly match bonuses watch out carryover requirement though 3. no hassles about whether given enough action current requirments. 4. most important- will paid they fair games imo. there a zillion online stink high heaven compared intercasino other crypto sites. some of very best. 5232 take a breath - its ok guess who inter casino is one of the best casinoes i know of. and after first time getting paid you won't have pin difficulty. don't any that offer repeating bonuses to their members as attractive ic. 5233 yes the text is like following jerry richardson new message has been posted on bj21 internet casinos at http bj21satellite.com index.cgi . 5229 ohh... rev author kx date 5 june 02 3 45 p.m. reply to 5225 its not so strange richardso 10 34 a.m. i didn t know webmaster did such things... was it an automated mailing this automatically-generated notice. if you'd be removed from list please visit or send your request bj21.com you wish respond post response directly board. thank 5235 you've only just begun revereman the pin part is easy part. they credit your initial deposit back to paypal once you get pin. then have wait even longer winnings. are very smart in that urge go and play more great. instead of playing read progressions page for entertainment. 5239 ad be the dealer david matthews casino lets you play both sides of tables. normally have to accumulate player credits prior banking games but now they are giving away 200 in player's so can open an account and begin being bank right away. also a 20 cash bonus up sweeten deal. when go website pop-up window will show mentioning offers. click here see or on link under blackjack left-hand side this website. 5241 good to see you in this net game rm. guess who i have not talked awhile. still enjoying my book. - regards ps but don't by posting. will give me away. 5242 are you the david monkey boy who sent me about 50 emails today with this deal one would have been enough - 5243 this post qualifies as spam. nt fish 5244 not if monkey boy you run the site. 5245 you cant play land casino basic online carol who says i geee jerry asuming.... no dont theres alot do onlinein of all paople know that dork . have the wizards chart right in front me at times. blackwidow has a wonerful support already told again im headed your butt. so go listen to kx golden and global ok 5246 message above for jerry r nt carol 5247 sheesh monkey boy would you two stop with these silly posts. it's getting real old fast. 5249 tehy keep jumping down my back . i told to leave me alone nt carol 5250 does anyone play online with juno . carol it do well i notice that alot of casino are aol ready is this true other internet providers like 5252 onluckcasino.com revereman can anyone share their experience with respect to fairness of the bj game and ease receiving winnings thanks. 5253 irony revereman i don't have to guess cuz know. and you gave yourself away if anyone would care. anyway the real is who got me involved playing online. still trust online casinos but found a no risk way experiment won't tell how . sorta like fs's flaw in bs except mine has logical explanation hint key component of donald trump's success 5254 err too easy... kx aren t we all here because of that -p there are several ways to do a no risk way experiment for example only playing bonuses which don require purchase. play and chargebacks. but the best is just follow rules take part in as many promotions possible. this secret i bet your isn at profitable 5255 web-based bj and vp calculators for internet casino play bjstats.com i've added two more free to primarily play. the first is designed tell you how make close calls in blackjack. it will example hit with 8 6 2 vs. ten stand 9 5 single deck. since there exist multiplayer multi-hand games also allow enter other cards on table. calculator uses combinatorial analysis accurate than card-counting. user should know bs just use calls. second video poker. poker strategies. provides ability chose best if its ev nearly as high but safety better. sorry both require explorer. they do not run under netscape. link below click button. please send questions comments . 5256 i was hoping..... jerry richardson that carol would revert to a more meaningful dialog once she calmed down over her argument with kx. unfortunately it appears is determined antagonize everybody on the board. like board for serious online blackjack players who are willing give helpful information about good casinos and strategies along little encouragement. have enough problems of my own without making any new enemies. day. crookedear 5257 you're wrong revereman but you dragged out of me. i'd never make a good spy. my secret is that play with other people's money the trump concept combined taking advantage bonus opportunities . nothing illegal particularly clever just meeting minds two people different goals and approaches to game. i have real distrust online casinos so playing someone else's was way test waters. based on admittedly limited experience still don't trust them. doesn't mean they can't be beat. in about month's time know how many hours made 300 no investment. while put say it wasn't worth effort. did like challenge pass otherwise unproductive time. sensed some hostility your response why. against players wish all luck their experiences. 5258 onluck some guy i just played there with their 150 match bonus. lost very quickly. had the 300 in my account and was only able to cash out 52.50 after meeting minimum play requirements. they have a 5 for blackjack so experiences could been bad luck. bonuses at 18 different online casinos this is one that any money at. whether it fair or not don't know. as far payment cashed-out on 4 havn't heard anything yet. 5259 4 weeks and no word on cash-in nt austin boy 5260 sorry some guy i screwed that one up. meant 6 4. it has only been a few days. guess am not the brightest of guys. 5261 nuisance problems and rtg lonestar i played at onluck several weeks ago lost about the expected amount playing bj 37.50 through 2000 action had only usual cashing out that are typical of places. to fax a form they sent email along with dl which claimed was unreadable first time made me refax it once. then paid me. have found be playable especially if you other good places play. best lot in my experience date is gambler's lobby. regards- 5262 answer kx you sensed correct. i ve seen far to many secrets that are pure hoaxs. when time passes by get really annoyed seeing all those progression strategies or how beat roulette and other crazy stuff... my guess was were having one of but wrong hostile tone not warranted. apologize. don t think your idea is very revolutionising though. trust the casinos with own money willing put friends there m judging just logic behind it. 5263 not revolutionary scarce many people do this usually with a friend who knows game well such as blackjack or vp. they put up the stake money and expert does playing. makes sense to me will be much more likely careful someone else's than his own. revereman gain lot piddling 300 knowledge experience he has already gained should decide go it on 5264 a.i. i robot does anyone know how can get software that will play blackjack at on-line casinos for me not to cheat just basic strategy me. 5265 thanks some guy. i'm tempted austin boy to give onluck a try even though very few rtg casinos have good reputations. i've played at only two sites one paying promptly and the other dragging things out for over month. streaky blackjack - kind of like double deck games in vegas..... 5266 robotic software jerry richardson just by coincidence my daughter writes for hughes aircraft. guess that won't help you but might try bjstats.com they offer a variety of blackjack software. 5267 true indeed. nt kx 5268 situation revereman my partner claims to know which online casinos are legit with respect fairness of game and timeliness payments 2 major concerns . he also knows about bonuses at casinos. i claim a lot bj. so by him putting up the money me getting fair good playing well we did ok for ourselves. certainly see potential but remain skeptical. kept track each bet have not done an analysis win loss push stats. will do that soon. 5269 hense the ad tag. it's allowed for anyone. nt guess who 5270 congrats revereman nt guess who 5271 casino bar bjplayer michael wizard od odds thanks for your experiment and the legal correspondence on site. are these guys attorneys in usa anyway their threats useless because an online has no standing us accusations of slander meaningless. you making valuable contributions to community please keep it up.perhaps a consultation with lawyer may confirm what i said. good luck again 5272 winner playground promotion is a scam bjplayer i deposited 100 as returning player for this and won 250 playing blackjack. they banned me from the site abuser of promotions kept my winnings. did return deposit promptly.i have only received one bonus in past them played much above minimum requirements before cashing out. seems to trap former players. if lose well good casino. win their winnings are forfeited returned. any case given at end week so casino can change terms deposits. advice-keep away winners playground. it where allowed win. now am wary casinos which give players additional promotions.seems be trap. 5273 they joined the rest of rtg s... kx wp used to be considered one few trustworthy s. it s fascinating see how eager are dig their own grave by joining bad boys... 5274 which rtgs do you consider still trustworthy anon78 sounds like the list is narrowing rapidly. thanks in advance. 5275 kx barker good morning you mention in an older post that can no longer play boss sites. could relate what happened and if it be avoided by new players. also i believe are from europe live u.k. have recently received cheques pro cyber who kindly exchanged into sterling at a ridiculously bad rate of exchange compared to the bank however were very co-operative not only cancelled re-issued dollars but noted any further funds should remain dollars.perhaps non us players do likewise prior receiving pay-outs. incidentally was approx. 65p as opposed 70p offered most other places. somebody this side atlantic is skimming bonus theirselves. warm regards.bb 5276 playtech paddyboy i have played at club dice tropez swiss casino city and new york casino.but out of these only cashed 55 35 swiss.at the other 3 lost bonus while betting 2 to 5.anyone else having bad results 5277 great idea... space now your pc can lose money for you while sleep 5278 had good results... kx i won at almost all playtech casinos. have not been as lucky with any other software. 5281 answer kx i ve never been able to play boss for real money since m a swede. don t let swedes at their casinos because they are not 100 sure about the legal issues it s illegal in sweden promote foreign . regarding proccyber u didn chose when cashing out or registring crypto sites you can which currency want your winnings also bad exchange rates mgs some offer possibility of chosing different than signing up. biggest rippoff is paypal. exchangerates really lousy do claim that use most recent market but truth make much more from rate fee. 5282 maybe gamblers lobby... nt kx 5287 almost certainly rigged imo monkey boy it's rigged. the question is how much 5293 kx barker thanks for clarifying the boss thing. regarding procyber no i definately did'nt request payback in pounds but will say their support and help were a1. keep winning. bb 5294 thanks anyone else have an opinion nt anon78 5302 jacks or better rat hello ppl if anyone knows a bit about vide poker maby you can help me. i have question full pay . what kind of swings expect betting 1 unit per game while wagering total 1400 units also is the amount wining loss and push compared thanks 5304 kx do you have an e-mail adress nt rat 5305 hate these kind of posts paddyboy you say its rigged and then dont back it up with anything.i have had bad results but am not going to start saying is straight away.how many hands played how much lost been flat betting i heard one casino or software group that people rigged.just because lose do immediately accusing them cheating. 5306 playtec is the best and not rigged damiandunlap people go a try out mapau casino great customer servives free money 5307 quick calculation... the gamemaster hello rat. you say full pay but with one coin wagered does royal 800 for 1 if so then variance this game is about 19.50 per bet. in course of 1400 hands play your expected value to lose 0.46 all bet that's on a long-term basis. reality probably won't get nor straight flush ev closer -2.5 or loss 35 units. sd result would be 200 units 2 367 and 3 -535 win 135 give just 300 winning side see making 465 session at unit hand could fall between assuming fair. 9 6 jacks where proper playing strategy used 54.5 will 21.5 push pair other high cards rest show profit. gm 5308 speaking of rigged casino bar derek one the reasons i never took plunge into online play... nagging feeling it's too easy for this to happen http www.thewizardofodds.com game casinobar.html 5309 mapau paddyboy damian i cant find any signup bonus offer on their website. 5311 mapau. casino and fortune has great bonus damiandunlap go to bet2gamble.com they have all the lastest on playtec 5313 short term approximations dancali gm are you using the long variance of 19.5 when give your standard deviations if not then forget all following that i'm writing. but it really makes more sense talking about video poker play to use non-royal approximately 3 or 4 since is due almost entirely top-heavy royal flush. though vp can be a game with lots mathematical job misrepresents what one expect in any given playing session. better way think results an expected value 97.5 don't know exact number . this contrast blackjack's 99.5 expectation and 1.7 which both term. i do defer am error. 5314 mapau casino is one of the best damiandunlap it not rigged people try for your self they on opa list check them out 5315 you are correct. the gamemaster hello dancali. yes in my haste i used usual 19.5 variance and as correctly stated about 4 would be more accurate if remove rf sf from equation. consequently rat's bankroll fluctuations much smaller. ev to lose 35 units but a 3sd event win side like 190 loss amount -260. thanks for pointing that out. often say i'm not really perfect only act way. gm 5316 isn t it normally distributed kx why are you talking different number of units for example 3 or -3 sds shouldn the results be i don see there would skewness kurtosis in this case. 5317 i do but prefer discussing on boards. nt kx 5318 blackjackballroom mr deviant anyone play these guys nice bonus offer http www.blackjackballroom.com promo signup.asp 5320 cannot play bj using this promo nt bill baggins 5321 jacks or better jimmyd using a simulator and running 100 000 sessions of 1400 hands job 1 unit bet with 800 for royal here are the numbers from cummulative frequency. -190 5 -147 10 -123 50 -33 90 77 95 130 99 806 5322 as i understood the question... gamemaster ...rat was wondering what kind of bankroll swings might occur during 1400 hands play and calculating 3 standard deviations both ways is a reasonable way to answer him her . in fair game it's not likely that those parameters will be exceeded that's most us are interested how much can make lose gm 5323 ok rat okej jag bara undrar vad du anv nder dig av f r olika s tt att tta in och ta ut pengar fr n kasinona. har paypal kanske hur tter pengarna d bankkort isf vilken bank. mycket kostar det l sa en check bor bank ska man skatta om vinner p ett online kasino vill svara eller ga mig kan alltid maila hej svejs 5324 ok revereman 1. i have had no problems with paypal. 2. my mother does not wear army boots. 5326 lol rat your swedish is very good. but are you sure about nr 2. 5327 thanks rat the reson i ask this is because lost 96 units playing 537 hands wasn t expecting swings like that. normaly play blackjack. should have done more research on vp swings. ps. game pays 800 a royal flush wish get one 5328 i still don t understand kx if the outcomes are normally distributed sds should be same undepending on direction. also your figures and jimmyds show entirely different results both of does however absolute sizes depending direction . thought it was as simple this - 1- payback units played numberofsds sqrt numberofobservations gamefactor in case 1-0 975 1400 3 4 that is equals -35 37 448 8 so swings between -484 413. why not correct which apparently isn given jimmyd carried out simulations correctly 5329 translation and answers kx please ask the questions in english next time so i don t need to translate - there might be other ppl from sweden or others here that will greatful for information. sure would have been a couple of years ago how do you make deposits withdrawals -deposits cc firepay paypal. paypal check. maybe ve got -yes deposit -credit card credit case what bank -cc yes. think any offering visa do. much does it cost cash check where live -cashing cheks costs somewhere between 8 20 depending on bank. if are lucky they ll let cashin several at once fee. can that. also casinos pay by then transfer money your bankaccount. this is faster but not cheaper because paypals lousy exchange rates. supposed taxes winnings an onlinecasino -i believe since games luck which includes casinogames swedish law taxfree sweden. operator casino tax. online apparently doesn m entirely abide until irs tells me otherwise. care look up tell me. 5330 vp results are not normal ... jimmyd according to jazbo www.jazbo.com they don't approach a looking curve until 4 million hands or so. go his site for some good information on and take look at probability curves various number of hands. 5331 4 million wow... thanks nt kx 5332 what bank do you use rat for deposits to firepay and paypal which i skandibanken but my card doesn t work anymore havent tried deposit at yet. does the take a fee when thanks 5333 wow where'd you get that program dancali jimmyd which are using to those results and where can i find it don't think ran 100 000 simulations on winpoker. but maybe some people just have a lot of time . 5334 winpoker was key jimmyd no it wasn't but i did use the frequency tables from winpoker's game analysis to run simulations. using my own program this hi-speed method can a little less than 2 million hands per second on 650 mhz machine. 100 000 sessions of 1400 took only about 75 seconds run. 5335 seb. no fee. nt kx 5336 thanks for runing this simulation but i dont get the results nt rat 5337 my figures... the gamemaster ...are adjusted by ev which is added or subtracted as appropriate. gm 5338 casino offers revereman anyone have experience opinions with the following casinos respect to fairness of bj and promptness payouts spin palace crazy vegas jackpot city 777 dragon cleopatras if these types posts bother you guys let me know i will stop. thanks for your help. 5339 does this help jimmyd all it means is that you have a 1 chance of losing 190 units. 5 147 and so forth. 99 ending with 806 or less which on the flip side winning more. if go out play 1400 hands 100 times chances are will session where lose more sessions win 130 likely half be below -33 other above. 5340 revereman barker that was quick you must have had the same e mail shot gambling.com anyway can only speak of 777 dragon played won and payed out superquick.re. requests no problem wish there more reciprication however it seems as soon some-one posts a good report else replies with opposite experience. this whole venture is frustrating but without doubt best advantage play ever long lasts.take care.bb. 5341 thanks revereman yes it was gambling.com. left off blackjack ballroom since someone wrote can't use bj with the promotion. whole online experience is frustrating and scary. all i want a fair game prompt payment but that seems hard to come by. for your response. 5342 777 dragon good nt carol 5343 prompt payouts are austin boy a rarity for online casinos. i've had to learn lot of patience the past few months. only twice have i seen within 24 hours couple times waited more than month. average seems be seven days two weeks. paypal and firepay withdrawals seem quickest then ach lastly dreaded check in mail. good news is that haven't been stiffed yet with about 75 bonus sites played. as barker notes people vastly different experiences not certain casino but also softwares e-cash providers customer service payments. if make suggestion it would track each withdrawal closely never hesitate contact questions. i'm getting at biting my tongue being overly polite friendly csr's - they respond much quicker this way. spin palace crazy vegas jackpot city 777dragon microgaming sites. most mg use poccyber processing. proccyber streaky blackjack webdollar boss media. you just know sure... debate constantly rages on fairness software. guarantee will question game play enough casinos still convinced either everybody agrees their bj very streaky. tend cut sessions short when takedown mode hits. overall done ok match bonuses. sure out terms carefully. don't like gamble so stay away from force me win order cash out. may wrong believe cleopatra's part strip group rtg presently opa recommended list. see link below btw an essential tool advantage play. onward... 5344 very informative revereman thanks much. i've only played 6 sites and have been paid fairly promptly although sometimes jumping through hoops. i will be posting my results shortly w-l-p doubles splits let each reader decide on their own. really appreciate everyone's help. get to go a real casino tomorrow. 5345 7 days to 2 weeks monkey boy a year ago before many places used paypal was considered prompt payout. now compared b m casinos it is anything but however these things are relative. nowadays if you receive payment within week via any method it's prompt. unfortunatley waits of month or more still common. my tolerance stops at over and 1 2. main concern will i be paid usually play even the wait for winnings fairly long. would find that long unacceptable . hey do what ya gotta do. 5346 riverbelle reverses cashin requests jethro i have had casino reverse 3 of my after making me jump through several hoops. zantana processed within one day. their bonus is small but it easy to get your money. 5347 fairness of bj. kx all the first 4 are mgs casinos. i m totally convinced that bj is rigged after playing for 2 years at about 200 casinos . cleopatras an rtg-casino. those play fair imo but rtg a mess regarding payments. don t know how cleopatra ranks among rtgs there plenty would go before any rtg. do it in this order boss playtech crypto oddson only vp high risk... proprietarys good stanley acropolis casino on net drho and global player. 5348 can i come too.... bill baggins ...oh for a real casino with people cards chips and even ploppies they be missed too time . oh the stimulation of counting tc conversions indices tracking advantage determined bet variation. those were days. if could only find b m 100 matches. ah well regards b. 5349 quick slow. bill baggins as there are regular postings here concerning speed of payment in the thread below i was wondering what everyones best and worst experiences are. may have a contender for but probably not fastest - 1 hour yes mulitple is an day week or month award goes to wssb casino. slowest 7 weeks golden riviera. interestingly enough no rtg that played at cashed out from has taken more than 3 pay up 8 casinos though been selective about which rtgs played. am exception rule do they get excessively bad press regards b. 5350 payments paddyboy bill i find the best are procyber.com who do microgaming.this may suprise a lot of people but.anyway have to wait for check by regular mail becuse where live europe.but dont really care about how long it takes as am not going leave live. if 4 weeks then so what its cool moolah flows in. 5351 mostly slow slow... kx quickest i don t like saying it but actually 1cnp. please see this as a recommendation of any kind. the place suck big time they did succeed in paying fast once. slowest goodfellows. 6 weeks and counting. s strange thing that casinos are so damn slow. poker sites usually pays very fast. easiest way to make yourself name business must be handle payments really paypal shouldn problem guarantee 1 hour if started casino would promise also pay extra took longer than one m sure attract lot customers. 5352 i'm with you jerry richardson on certain days of the week some bj club would play from 8 in morning to six at night. if were lucky enough get first 5 table day usually see same people there 4 afternoon. casino niagara only opens one usually. like i hope a chance go back sometime. hey maybe even las vegas. crookedear 5353 goldenriviera mr deviant proccyber does their processing are they slower than other mg pc outfits 5354 and me to share the smoke nt barker 5355 goldenriv paddyboy ah yes i forgot old golden procyber do their cash.a complete pain in the ass had to wait 3 months and about 20 emails them get my dosh bad but not as vegasusa mg one .i track down where check was sent myself after no responces 50 emails.i eventually managed tracking no. rang up ups office town go there collect it myself.apparently an incomplete address on envelope tried contact casino reply. strange may seem like when these things happen is a bit of fight have always won so far. currently cashed at gamblers lobby expect lot crap from hopefully 5356 gl have been very quick with my payments so far nt bill baggins 5357 payments paddyboy cool.i am not discouraging anybody from playing there just telling my experience.i relatively new to online gaming but what i have seen so far is that some people good experiences at a particular casino and bad.so you cant take one persons opinion when the vast majority bad experience then heed. has been lot of posts about goldenriv winneronline here 5358 gl was very fast for me too. nt kx 5359 casinobar... further statistical analysis of data dan pronovost hello all i've completed the published below from wizard odd's test. to statistically determine likelihood observed events you need apply a method called 'bernoulli trials'. applied this results that were noted below. result is surprising... read on thing ask what observing 10 or less busts in 37 hands hard 16 45 case 15 bernoulli equation tells probability for any one number and it's simply matter adding them up. first set author notes dealer busted times. probablity occurring 0.0022 than 22 times 1 000 . other words busting only out when they have very small second example 0.0787 ... tenth percent. i can't comment authenticity reported code snippet but it clear probabilty odds witnessed rare fair random event beyond improbable. if correct then shows within an undeniably margin error casino fixed normal would be 5 we're seeing .1 those interested math excel spreadsheet with complete breakdown at my web site www.deepnettech.com casinobar.xls included expanded probabilities way full both trials show indeed accounts 100 probability. wanting details please consult most year university stats texts i.e. used inference j.g. kalbfleisch springer-verlag 1985 deepnet technologies www.handheldblackjack.com deepnettech.com gamemaster.com testing warning list -------------------------------------------------------------------- june 3rd 2002 bar www.casinobar.com we contacted by www.thewizardofodds.com who asked us participate collection blackjack game offered casino. wiz had suspicion dealing seconds which subtle cheating players. unless s he knows look player will notice decline his her bank balance as play progresses. usual blackjacks row such indicators don't here said many before easy cheat impossible hide determined investigator. here's how apparently does has elected stand hand totals 16-21 dealer's two cards total 12-16 means must hit classic strategy kicks in. peeks next card usually done single-deck games are dealt software bust gives himself sliding under top card. now may still greatly improved chances. course help takes plays normally. that's why so tough detect yet verify once know what's going on. stiff not often expected cinch calculate highest degree confidence. our operatives record whenever stood totaled 12-16. operative collected was 224 specific qualifications occurred over 500 play. can analyzed two- there him ace 2 3 4 8 draw cause bust. consequently should roughly 13ths 61.5 time. sample sixteen 27 dealt. see happen least two-card six seven reasonable we'd expect 7 53.8 fifteen 24 i'll admit test like subject variation evidence points being non-random keep mind you're thinking playing here. videotaped involved dispute we'll happy reputable authority opa internet gaming commission gambling venezuela where claims licensed. also owns air www.casinoonair.com did check their however common sense avoided. 5360 yes thanks nt rat 5361 what does enskilde mean anon78 just curious since i don't know swedish. have seen that seb has an economics journal published in english. thanks 5362 what problem send www.blackjackballroom.com alex young http 5363 answer kx enskild separate indivdual. firma privately owned firm business. i would guess that the name is reflecting on fact seb was when founded this in a time several large swedish banks were by government. 5364 oriental casino paddyboy are not to be trusted they on the blacklist at gamemasteronline sice nov 1st 2001.i wonder have redeemed themselves by now.i seen them recommended list opa.anyone played there lately 5365 thank you anon78 thanks for the translation. it's amazing way can satisfy your curiosity on a number of subjects bj21. it is one my favorite things about site. good luck in online forays. best 5366 casinobar.com... another independent trial dan pronovost hello all after hearing about michael shackleford's experiment of casinobar www.thewizardofodds.com and the site's recent 'strong-arm' tactics to quiet him i decided conduct my own experiment. signed up created a 'real-money' account played 500 hands blackjack. recorded every result conducted statistical analysis data. full report structured as an experimental peer-review mike's work is available online at web site www.deepnettech.com casinobar_experiment.html . results are similarly conclusive study even though employed different method. provides further collaboration for current theories. deepnettech.com deepnet technologies 5367 nice work monkey boy i'm guessing you will soon be contacted by casino bar's lawyers. 5368 can't get it to work with deuces wild ky hick i tried setting up a paytable for decent same as fpdw but 4 quads full house and 3 flush . then set the hand of 2h 2c 2d qs js clicked on results button. got no response. what did do wrong suggestion commonly-found games links their own instead having enter are paytables all time. leave customized us those strange ones we find now then. 5369 should be ok now nt bjstats.com 5370 great site and work. thanks a million. nt roywil 5371 excellent players advocate this is work. i would be interested in knowing what the house edge for a game like this. 5372 new casinobar experiment and house egde dan pronovost thanks glad this extra analysis was useful. note also that i've now gone further actually conducted my own at www.casinobar.com see www.deepnettech.com casinobar_experiment.html for the complete write-up. as to your question i am curious about too... namely what is expectation if an online casino dealing seconds in proposed method. it's on 'todo' list blackjack audit company's full bj simulator add feature so expectations ror can be calculated these games. deepnet technologies www.handheldblackjack.com 5373 you'd think... bill haywood that they would set the server to give honest odds for a few weeks at least while there's some attention on them. now try out playtech site like swiss casino. 5374 surprising but true.... more tests dan pronovost hi as soon i found out about shackleford's study and exchange with coa world entertainment ltd. the owners of casinobar.com created a real-money account started playing. figured i'd better get record my data collection before any software corrections were put in place. not surprisingly lost all deposit 100 plus bonus when tried to meet their minimum wager cashout requirements 12 d b . so i'm loathe continue trying this experiment at other questionable casinos it takes lot time do have completed one test casino on net conclusion is that they are definitely running fair game blackjack respect terms which quite good... 2 times analysis shows if you play recommended pattern 99.9 chance positive earnings. complete review available www.deepnettech.com cas_on_net.html deepnettech.com deepnet technologies www.handheldblackjack.com 5375 check playtech sites monkey boy many seem to think swiss is dealing a gaffed game. i know my long term results with are pretty bad. however i've done well sunny since they've switched playtech. it's always possible that operators could have the ability set their payouts like gss apparently were able do. so class operation would probably not gaff game large degree while other be going for throat. of course this all specualtion but seen some fairly extensive and it leads me believe bj isn't quite on up up. at any rate if you spare time your checking site suggest swiss. they player's nasty list. 5376 agree... kx i ve been lucky with playtech in general but swiss killed me. actually never heard of a net winner at swiss. also this which is taken from playtechs homepage makes me wonder your casino behavior controlled by the properties configured admin. you may easily change different and manipulate s allowing to control strategy see how it changes real time. mind since made my first post about they changed wording. 5377 swiss gaffed bob fisher this blackjack game is at least the 5 level. i lost 88.5 flat bets in 360 hands on 3-7. about -4 z-statistics. it happened after a big cash out and my luck improved to normal cut 1 later on. initially was reasonable. believe may be honest normally with cheat switch for players who made outs especially second time which are not catch ups of previous losses. also am suspiocous microgaming rtg regard. suspious generally highly regarded stanley acropolis as has turned very bad cashout. those you worth 20 cents hand an sd 50 per betting from 0- 2 100 3 2x over shuffling away negatives. does include 0.1 cashback. 5378 vegas villa bobbyc anyone have experience at the software is mgs. i had decent results with them in past but am getting creamed vv. my win rate after 400 hands a pitiful 35 and one streak of 14 without other streaks 31 where lost 22 won 8 push. several 10 straight losses. know sh happens that why was wondering if anything to say good or bad about bc 5379 my experiences... roywil global player has paid me several times all within 24 hours. likewise crazy vegas but they usually take about 48 hours still very reasonable two worst experiences sands of caribbean. waiting since mid-may say the check is in mail so we'll see. quicksilver owes more than a grand may 3. god only knows when and if i will ever see that . 5380 rotten results kx i ve played several of the weekly promotions at fortune lounge casinos. never come out on top. been taking in money from everywhere else and then lost it to those few fl has made me sure that mgs bj is indeed rigged. had 5 consecutive losses 1 sds - 2 not all though which impossible a nonrigged game. mind you m newbie screaming accusations. online for mor than years more 200 casinos believe other major sw does provide acceptable payback. also used be ok. s turned mean last three months. know long time players who have noticed same phenomena. 5381 crypto will pay. kx they are sometimes very slow with checks. i ve waited for 6 weeks once but you can be sure eventually get your money. quicksilver it s an entirely different thing 5382 i must be the only one then bill baggins ve actually never heard of a net winner at swiss. made profit swiss even without bonus . my other playtech experiences have not been good however sunny group and will returning in hurry. regards b. 5383 i ve actually heard of a net winner at swiss. bill baggins was his name nt kx 5384 what to do bobbyc i am playing a 30 bonus in which deposited 1k and had play the through once get then deposit x 5 total 7500. still have over 5k if present trend continues will surely lose my entire 1k. since fairly new online hustling about 40 casinos played was wondering there is any way out of this type situation or simply it watch fly window also possible just legitimate sd bite so far 437 hands with following results win 167 loss 244 push 26 average bet 6 approximately 3hrs thus 400. see that 99.7 time should not worse than 450 actual at point 400 falls range but very rare. math correct comments bc 5385 best casinos for rookie bonus chaser rookie317 anybody have any suggestions i'm looking a good legitimate casino to start my chasing career with. i'd like somewhere that has bonuses doesn't make you deposit lots of money 100 or so would be nice take advantage and track record with cs prompt payouts. sure this been posted before but i can't seem hit the perfect search terms will find what need. help appreciated. 5386 not much... kx i m afraid you ll just have to watch your money dissappear. it s what ve done. really sucks know being f d. 437 units bet would mean an expected loss of less than 1 unit. one sd approx 2 sqrt 25 units. 244-167 77 although be better amounts since some the wins losses should after doubles split black jack... so lost 76 more expected. this is 3 sds. will happen in 0 15 times... sure could but quite unlikely. my case prob. was like 000000001 or something 5387 answer... kx intercasino. good promotions which are repeated every month. 5389 zantana bob r glad you're having good luck with zantana. weren't they part of the planetluck group that appeared to be cheating maybe you should quit while ahead. 5390 just had bad luck at fl too. ksuha hi a week ago played 2 different casino. 30 bonus 150 max 1xb b d x5 is wagering req. 500 was deposited to each after i 100 down every it'd be great if dan pronovost check casinoes think they're rigged that's my opinion. all. 5391 after further play bobbyc i played another 280 hands a total of 760 and am convinced that the mgs software at vegas villa is rigged. they rarely bust. bc 5392 is it my imagination or does any criticism of.... jerry richardson stanley acropolis when posted on the board seem to disappear rather quickly i saw a posting yesterday relating string of losses which was going reply today and lo behold gone oh well not sure comments would have help much. crookedear 5393 my results revereman for what they're worth no editorializing. all double and split are separate. intercasino w165 l167 p18 doubles w18 l12 splits wboth3x lboth1x capt cooks w87 l112 p34 w11 l10 cinemacasino w177 l232 p29 w38 bit of eveything las vegas casino w53 l99 p2 w15 l13 lboth 1x lucky nugget w190 l 200 p36 w32 l28 mixed bag payments where applicable have been reasonably prompt but has put me thru more hoops than the others. hope this helps someone. 5394 huh monkey boy maybe the posts are still here click on set preferences link above and this page to have more than two days old. no ever removed because of criticism any particular casino so it s just you. moreover someone could made a post either deleted themselves or had deleted. but i'm 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 positive that offical bj21 was critical sa. if they did for something other 5395 i think the same is true of tropez anon78 don't have exact numbers in front me but gotten completely eaten alive several times at tropez. as i'm sure bob knows others might not part group swiss. 5396 are you sure kx where did read that swiss and tropez in the same group lafrance is but i haven t heard of being same. won at tropez. played there for more than initial bonus though. 5398 sorry i goofed.. jerry richardson the message was referring to from bob fisher entitled swiss gaffed. i'll post him a note at that location. as you indicated didn't think they removed controversial postings unless were vulgar belligerent or spam. yes did delete my first answer after found out error. 5399 i wonder too after all the accolades for stanley jerry richardson in 4 sessions of 40 or 159 plays on acropolis software playing 5 basic blackjack lost 75 with a 87.8 payout per cent 53 wins 70 losses bjs. not enough to be meaningful. however since didn't like loss rate switched practice play and followed suggestion made by dan p. minimum two three shoes shuffles order let decks randomize if they do sounds good me fact idea 10s clumping occurred earlier my online . rounds 390 resulted an average percent 99.0 it holds 1000 might think am onto something. 5400 nothing remarkable... kx 53 wins 70 losses and 4 bjs is a very normal result. it s even within one sd i wouldn t worry about that the 99 payback with larger number of plays more normal. 5401 i'm not much of a mathematician more a.... jerry richardson hacker. does sd means standard deviation. i sort know what that is. thanks 5402 i agree... minnesota fats that mg blackjack is non-random or rigged whatever. so why don't you play video poker believe their jacks better very fair. just my opinion mf 5403 you can make that two net winners nt minnesota fats 5404 yes sd standard deviation. nt kx 5405 i am going to try that bobbyc so why don't you play video poker give a try. tried their multi hand bj but it appears be the same as 1 bj. dealer would constantly make hands out of stiffs and was truly amazing at how many times they had an ace appear under 10 when several 20's. wish taped whole thing from start. in 760 all have done is lose then stay even for 20 or 30 another big drop etc. not any positive flucts more than few dollars large again. bc 5406 repeating bonuses... mrt i'm relatively new to the online scene and have just about exhausted better sign-up bonuses. which casinos does anyone recommend for solid bonuses is there a difference in approaching assuming you've beaten same casino before thanks advance your input. 5407 oxymoron bone-us how can you say i'm relatively new to the online scene and have just about exhausted better sign-up bonuses. this is not possible. i a list of over 200 casinos offering 20 bonuses vast majority them are 50 100 would suggest that work little harder on finding good sign up offers before even thinking repeating 5408 oxymoron... mrt i'm relatively new to the online scene and have just about exhausted better sign-up bonuses. all right...i guess that's a relative statement. i assumed that most of guys on this board been at for while few years anyway . also believe depending terms table mins. rigged software play minimums payout speed 20-100 bonus isn't necessarily great deal. would you care share your list thanks. 5409 mister teeeee barker if you use the search facility will find some very usefull lists from bonus helpfull posts. after 40 or so hits i must admit it is getting more and tedious to weed out target casinos according contributors a second visit winning maybe inviting trouble. all best bb. 5410 crypto... kx cryptologic casinos like inter wh sands 3diamonds and omni are the only ones i know who offer good repeating bonuses. some rtgs send out new bonuses often but they not very attractive. among mgs there s ukcasino club fortunelounge. am sure about bj being rigged so don t playing though. casino on net offers promotions for existing players. otherwise know. anyone else any 5411 job ksuha hi is also a good game for bonus-hunting but it has big deviation much bigger than bj. so if rigged too you'll never ever notice it. look you have 20 loses in row bj - it's sure ok. 5412 mgs bobbyc among casinos there s ukcasino club and fortunelounge. i am sure about bj being rigged so don t like playing though. do you think all software is or that an individual casino can rig it if they want to have had very good luck with at lots of places gaming river nile captain cook's others. but played 2 fortune lounge lost both under extremely suspicious circumstances especially vegas villa which convinced rigged. bc 5413 casino bar is the best of rest paddyboy well according to players advocate it is. i think there should be a blacklist online portals. cpa would definitely worst lot. 5414 mgs-software kx if i understood it correctly when there was the issue between sunny group and mgs licensees can t change any settings in software since that is made on central servers. might be wrong this though. my really awful experiences are only from fortune lounge you re experiencing same thing s starting to stink 5415 not so.. joeyl i respectfully disagree paddyboy. like the cpa owner if his choice of advertisements.. professor is much worse imo....2 sites below...he sickens me. 1cnp liberty taker.. http www.slot-machine.ws 5416 oops joeyl don't know what happened to the links up there. another of professors sites. proof he knows whats what.. casino affiliate programs http www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com 5417 no just proves he's a whore nt scarce 5418 whore eh joeyl he knows whats what alright. too if you like sir madame. no arguements from me here on that one. 5419 single v. multiplayer games deck bacjac these two question are obviously from a newbie when playing online is there any difference between versus multi player as in land casinos also thoughts on the at gold club casino if truly why play eight cryptologic thanks advance for your insights and patience. 5420 cpa joeyl upon checking i cannot find casinobar on the site.no worries. mind you that means eff all because knows worth mentioning. before anyone says why defend cpa.i say i'm not overly doing so.kx posted this was here at wol and had to come looky see.i like him atleast he has balls answer if one points a question in open imo. most of time what about webmaster gpwa mr roystoning advertising windows as his personal recommendation hot http www.goodcasinos.com casinos2.html portals advertise some poxy thieving firm or another.. governor founder slycin advertises for sci fi her video poker junkie site.. venerable shackleford wizard odds even allows casinoheat extreme times through webstorm whatever they are called running him.. who worst agree though with paddy.ban lot them. 5421 gawd knows.. joeyl i stand corrected.cpa has just replied to kx at wol and says it's there somewhere on his site along with casinoair bars ugly sister. you know what still can't find it the cpa site.gawd knows where is.. imbecile am know. 5422 back off cpa he the hommie damiandunlap is people going to play casino bar or air if they see it on his site not bonus hunters always looking for a comeup new just at goldclubcasino 5423 opps damiandunlap i take that back cuzz im just an idoit cant spel or right 5424 not the first time... jeff2 that moron cpa kept promoting vegas strip casinos too. whore is an accurate decription. 5425 oh joeyl before my time so to speak.what do you mean 5426 the opps is not me damiandunlap so one loves to mess with cpa a really cool guy yes i cant spell waht.. 5427 good bonuses paddyboy what has happened to the easy bonuses.all i can find at moment are crappy 25 for or 40 usually with crazy playthrough reqs.like newyork and usa casinos 25x d b .you would need an ass of steel play these. 5428 about microgaming roywil mgs seems to get a really bad rap here. crazy vegas is site and i can't complain at all there. reasonable games very fast pay. anybody else tried this have just been lucky the boom fall - would love hear other experiences on sites. thanks in advance. good luck all. 5429 good results at vegas villa jack schwartz i've played 3 promos there most recently last week and have won every time playing bj . my other fl casinos been below ev but not beyond the realm of normal fluctuations. royal has terrible for me i lost one 8 there. aggregate group as a whole are still made decent profit. by way if you convinced game is rigged how about video poker to finish your playthrough requirements 5431 world gaming corporate crisis aymong resigns opa mary shareholders are still receiving proxies hours before the meeting. announces further management and board changes 19 june 2002. antigua west indies. plc has 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forward-looking that subject risks uncertainties could cause actual results differ materially from those but limited certain delays testing evaluation deployment fraud occasioned upon licensees regulation other detailed time filings with exchange commission. we assume no responsibility accuracy completeness these duty update any conform results. offer sell or solicitation purchase securities. 5432 my results longstroke i've played the single-deck microgaming bj game at one casino. after making 355 bets of 4 i am ahead 52. 5433 crazyvegas paddyboy isnt thie bonus just 10 free and on 100 .i would not waste time trying it.there are lots of better bonuses at mg yes some people say their game is rigged rtg playtech odds boss cytech con rigged.you have to find out for yourself.go bet2gamle.com this site gives you all the info need about casinos in a clear concise manner.a lot easier than going actual casino sites themselves. i had quite good results but appalling whereas it other way around. 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witsportsbook worldplaycasino worldwidevegas wsex wssbcasino youwager zapcasino zodiaccasino 5436 yhea damiandunlap i can spell so waht 5437 my 2 cents skar mg crypto and playtech have been good to me usually so i would recommend them. avoid rtg big time because of bad luck 5 min. think variance may be the culprit though. mean a 100 bonus is only 20 units. bet minimum with little progression stuff make it more fun keep attention off burn through req. play faster. 5438 i did just that bobbyc played the rest through on vp and lost an additional 350. down a total of 1250 during play 7850. now they are trying to tell me do not have enough cash out this is same crap put at royal vegas. very conveniently playcheck my records unavailable. will avoid fl casinos like plague from here out. fortune lounge vegas villa only two places had problems. let say counted bj games for 25 years am all familiar with negative swings can happen. also know when those small probability actually happening was one them. bad experience but cannot sure it anything other than normal standard deviation. bc 5439 bone-us list barker thats appreciated. only just afew addition - floridita. captain hooks. twin aces. colosseum. geisha lounge. definately have a lot of catching up to do.regards bb. 5440 list bone-us floridita min. withdrawal deposit 2x bonus. captain hooks on the list. see hookscasino. twin aces this one looks like a keeper. colosseum geisha lounge no return only. let me know if any of these is incorrect. 5441 global player bj online guy i understand that gp deals to a 50 cut on its 6-deck game. since the game is countable does anybody know whether it's possible dump negative shoes at will it seems with fast enough play could be profitable. appreciate any help. og 5442 read the terms paddyboy yes bone-us.i made a big mistake tonight.downloaded roxypalace as their 100 for and 5x d b is one i have not played while deposited checked tncs again to find out that bj no good aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh dont know how play video poker it worth trying or will just cashin tomorrow must buy pair of glasses. 5443 you played them all already -- now big deposits coldsteel73 only being into this a few weeks i wonder if the way to get 100 buck bonuses after easy sites are gone is deposit large amounts at 10 bonus or whatever with unwieldy slow bank wires and like. cold 5444 unified gaming--home casino takeover bobby many of you will recall that home wagering took over for old las vegas from gambling stadium and offshore gaming when they went broke agreed to pay acct. time. i have received my first 3 4 payments owed but home's website found is now carib sports. no longer appear be affiliated with gaming. anyone know anything about this sports thanks the responses bobby. 5445 go see the wizard austin boy for vp strategy tables. i have missed bj does not qualify wager requirements thing at a different casino. try some job - nice change of pace. fun... 5446 video poker rich just buy strategy master and you can make strategies of a lot variants. the 9 6 variant jacks or better has only disadvantage 0.5 so about same as blackjack though fluctuations are greater . hope this helps. also check out net for strategies. 5447 great list bone-us...thanks a lot nt mrt 5448 pretty sure anon78 they both use sagy ips as their cash processor. 5449 goodfellows is dead anon78 they ripped off a bunch of people and microgaming shut them down. i got in early managed to lose 60 my own money plus the 250 bonuses. at least paid. 5450 vpoker paddyboy thanks guys.seems like a few mg sites are excluding bj these days. casino grand bay intertops bella vegas roxypalace asi have just learned and the best of all blackjackballroom this is sportsbook called horsesstable but no bets on horses allowed oh well they make rules so thats way it goes. i think from now will concentrate rtg.i know dodgy rep at least genorous bonuses.i couldnt play boss with their crappy titbits. better to hustle rich man than an honest poorman 5451 10 paddyboy personally i would not play anything less than 40 bonus.it takes too long for what you get back. if want the probability on your chances of keeping bonus go to bjmath and ask norm. 5454 waiting rob mcgarvey for my 200 depo and 335 win back. had to fill out the forms send them in. not a big deal. would like check 535 back but loss is nothing in this bonus game. play on me bros 5460 no scarce but a 200 loss is nothing in this big bonus game. do everything your power to get money back. filling out the forms with price-waterhouse should that. otherwise multinational company will suffer embarrassment. one instance where i think all players receive their and not some token 25 or 50 as has happened past. 5463 free 25 account gamblin man www.vegasintlcasino.com if you register they'll put bucks into your account. read about it on the major wager forum. from what i understand have to play for 30 days before being able withdraw any winnings. don't know anything casino but hey money is money. 5466 blackjack tournaments clay does anyone know of any online casinos that are holding 5468 free 25 paddyboy i cant find anyting about a bonus on their site except when you click rules this comes up accounts 5 minimum withdrawal is 100. maximum of 250 may be withdrawn from account in any given month. withdrawals only made by check or bank wire order to confirm identity. 9 for request payout your need fax copy valid drivers license state id passport verification. wager 20 times the total 500 action . cannot withdraw original 25. there deposit alright 5469 re free 25 gamblin man someone asked the same question at major wager. they don't say anything on their web site but if you just register will show right up in your account. it worked for me all i have to judging from my results is that wouldn't send them any real money know what mean. 5470 looking for recommendations some good 1 minimum bet online blackjack. nt jerry richardson 5471 try casino on net or global player. roywil i also have had good fortune at crazy vegas but it is 2 mini . gp and cv pay right away. con requires a pin mailed from the other side of world so least first payment will take awhile. bummer you'll eventually get paid. 5472 try the club mardigras casino clay has 1 min and it's fair. payouts are fast with overnight fedex. 5473 since when scarce last i heard the vegas strip were still taking upwards of three months to pay. 5474 vegas strip clay no they have been paying within a few days fedex overnight. call them and find out for sure. toll-free customer service number. 5475 bj tournament the gamemaster your timimg is such that even i would think this tag team spam but don't do stuff like that. anyway co-sponsor a monthly at global player casino and qualification period began today. complete details are available casino's site. gm 5476 bad results std. i lost alot of money here cc'ing very rare hands came up don't make the same mistake but know you will. 5477 i got 10 free nt carol 5478 thanks std. i'll take the hint nt online guy 5479 too good to be true bone-us i've found offers at several casinos that either appear or not been able locate the terms. please let me know if you can identify and verify terms these krystalcasino - no bingomania arthurcasino 1x bonus zapcasino casino-club casinotrust 2x arabianriches victorcasino thespinroom deposit beawinner both orioncasino caribsports californiacasino tattsgames thanks. 5480 are all of these trustworthy new comer thanks a lot or that list bone-us but trust worthy did you play them again 5481 arabianriches beawinner rook i can verify at 2xbonus and 1xbonus dep 5482 koolish dude rob mcgarvey yes i have filled out all of the required paperwork. wcscenario would be to lose 200 but get it back plus my 335 so much nicer. 5483 look like casino-on-net aliases. anon314 i believe that these places are basically with different names. if you open up accounts at more than one place they will say have multiple accounts. 5484 newbie question about promotions anon828282 a typical promotion is something like deposit 75 get bonus and you're required to bet 1000 before you can withdraw the money. in above example how much should really wager your money without an enormous hassle 1250 1500 2000 another question. again from suppose i've only 500 or 750 i manage lose all of walk away at this point with my original will likely be up anything 5485 orion is ok i played there new comer and yes it 1x play 5486 a definate maybe bone-us trustworthy an on-line casino lol seriously though i tried to eliminate ones that i've seen reported on various blacklists. certainly don't personally vouch for any one of them but they are my list playables so either played there or would be willing play there. not say things won't change in the future. i.e. bar and casino-on-air have been recent deletions playable list. however both past. was just lucky enough escape with few bucks bonus left at them. keep eye those blacklists out worry about it too much. 5487 are there any online casinos that give good penetration how many decks nt hugh jass 5488 mangocasino.com mr deviant anyone have experience with these guys powered by diamond software which is new to me. i'm leery of small providers. should i be worried or go ahead and make some 5489 iffy scarce they have some strange procedures to cash in the bonus and an unsuspecting player will lose that or find it is never cashable which actually is. i'll elaborate if necessary but read their terms very carefully. might pull old you didn't put right coupon code be awarded your routine. won't give either say in. until straighten things out my advice would avoid this probably all others using software. 5490 thanks mr deviant there are too many legit other places to bother with the iffy ones. 5491 my experience dancali i've made about 60 from this place but i would hardly recommend it. did their 30 for deal twice and some other which have forgotten. ended up winning each time losing the entire bonus after cashing out. no problem. second cashed out they paid me with paypal credit card funds. those who do not know you want to accept cards since then upgrades your account charges a hefty commission on all future transactions. so rejected payment at word repay me. well it took them 2-3 months tons of emails hassle finally refund money. also forgot give promotions stuff was get that worked there are worse operations wouldn't mango. shan't 5492 depends on which casino and coldsteel73 i believe they could subtract the bonus from your cashin if you didn't meet play requirements in example think would leave with nothing. more likely just reverse cash-in tell to gamble more. wouldn't try it. i'm not a final authority such matters being newbie myself. at some places know can wager well exactly requirement cash-out zero hassle. maybe most will get an enormous hassle word is almost no matter what do. very few are said steal perhaps what. probably bet 1200 or less but never requirement. after short while do annoyed their stupid inflated play-thrus give them much unless really want stay good graces all costs nice joints maybe. guess bjpro's 64k page treat ok without having go thru hassles possibly played affiliates over couple days something like that. cold 5493 just a bit paranoid. alias i've been told that gaming software allows online casinos to adjust the payout of their blackjack games and other without altering rules. i have little reason believe or not this source information though it does seem consistent with recent investigations casinobar which are posted at www.thewizardofodds.com . also seems my very limited bj experience. attempted obtain repeated monthly bonusses only one casino. was able meet play requirements first two small profit loss from bets. however last 80 bonus lost after about 320 bets 2 4. second case in point involves common ownership. completed playthrough requirement casino modest cashed-out most account. then repeat process sister game should house edge 0.13 less if you employ single-deck strategy adjustments based on composition your hand as did. feeling more comfortable impatient decided increase bet size 6 expedite process. well 345 counting each split double separate had 159. suspect is an unusual occurance. would appreciate someone could tell me odds against losing much quickly assuming perfect basic there formula chart can use determine chances particular number betting units specified making x flat am being paranoid 5494 paranoia appropriate dancali first of all your results could happen in a fair game. blackjack is streaky the wizardofodds has chart somewhere maybe appendix that tells odds winning such and units out played. but second after my relatively long experience playing online based on views other credible people i do believe most casinos not offer luckily games are gaffed so much bonus hunting profitable does approach 99.5 . it common practice for unregulated jurisdictions to video games. think twice about them. they oftentimes paybacks which game would return 105 or more simply unbeatable because an example this sort found check slotland's space jack pays back 3-1 blackjacks. know theoretical somewhat over 100 however cannot be beaten run since dealt from random deck. stanley acropolis boss some others likely wouldn't have faith places there. 5495 depends... kx for example on all cryptologic casinos except omni you can cash out before meeting wagering req. and still keep your deposit. but if do this ll risk not being able to play their next monthly promotion. most of them will demand that meet need lose 50 own money be entitled a new bonus. in microgaming cashing cause loss the impossible say how much more than wag. have bet. respected casino there should any problem exactly stipulated amount. 5496 targeting winners alias it would be possible for casinos to deal a fair game all new and losing players while dealing fixed those who've demonstrated likelihood of less money than they receive in promotions. do the target bonus 5497 grand virtual. 2 decks almost 100 nt kx 5498 sagy kx couldn t that be just like almost all mgs-casinos using proccyber 5499 player blacklists alias after writing my targetting winners post below i realized that a somewhat less risky strategy casinos could use to cope with bonus might be blacklisting. do commonly share information about players who are likely lose than they receive in promotions software companies like boss media or rtg facilitate participate blacklisting if of is practiced what measures should we take try avoid the it important not cashout for certain period time receiving advisable make low cost basic errors 5500 please clarify alias in most microgaming casinos cashing before meeting req. will cause a loss of the bonus if you have already lost amount or more can cashout your deposit whatever is left it wagering requirement 5501 anyone have experience with grand virtual nt jethro 5502 internet gambling ban clears house committee anon828282 from yahoo news reuters etc http story.news.yahoo.com tmpl story u nm 20020618 pl_nm tech_gambling_dc_2 washington - a controversial effort to cleared tuesday despite opposition lawmakers who said it contained too many loopholes and those imposed restrictions. the of representatives judiciary approved bill by voice vote after an hours-long debate that had taken better part two previous sessions. now must be reconciled with similar passed financial services before full can on it. sponsored virginia republican rep. bob goodlatte would update wire act 1961 which bans interstate wagers so clearly apply 1 500 offshore operations are expected take in between 5 billion 6.4 next year through internet. enable law-enforcement agents down sites banner ads stop credit-card payments operating outside country. opponents included liberal democrats questioned need regulate activity adults undertook voluntarily conservative republicans leery regulation across political spectrum hurt state lotteries dog tracks jai alai other legalized forms gambling. although is aimed primarily at has change repeatedly accommodate supported different states. result riddled managed pass amendments over goodlatte's objections limit lottery terminals licensed retail outlets made sure online betting currently illegal -- such as web casinos remained illegal. this become moving target mark green wisconsin originally co-sponsored bill. meeting he tried balance states' rights crack but gotten little support either side. while tipped toward flat-out was happy result. it's anti-gambling ... fine because i am said. 5503 no in most cases at mgs you can not. nt kx 5504 cc cards being blocked by banks for og rogue agent this must be connected to the item on cnn news crawl across bottom of tv screen stating that credit card companies are not accepting charges internet gambling sites. is it appropriate discuss alternatives board 5505 williamhill.co.uk damo has anyone been to the williamhill casino it's a cryptologic powered site so usual bonus structure and game rules ie mostly atlantic city. site's intresting though as run by britains second biggest bookmaker table maximums jackpots are quite large compared most online casinos. i.e blackjack from 1 1500 or around 2300 usd. they have set up cater for both us british residents. well worth visit 5506 playing affiliated casinos alias relevant to the topic of avoiding blacklists is issue how best play a group casinos. if you cashout one or two shortly after meeting their bonus playthrough requirement are likely encounter problems repeating process at other in same so what strategies avoid such have open an account with each casino approximately time meet requirements before requesting any cashouts and then trying not necessarily simultaneously please give this newbie some guidance 5507 sometimes better to respond by email guess who you should list your address. if don't have a fake one get from hotmail yahoo or whatever. 5509 talk to the pensive gerbil alias in my defense first several choices for a hotmail address were taken. - 5510 update more paranoid. alias after rapidly losing the 150 of bonus money at blackjack table sister casino i attempted to cashout what was left my original 200 deposit. discovered that this microgaming would not permit any withdrawal before their relatively high playthrough requirement met. therefore resumed bj play and steadily lost rest deposited funds. overall played over 300 hands counting splits doubles as 1 hand approximately 60 them playing perfect basic strategy in a game with theoretical house edge 0.13 . can anyone tell me likelihood event it sure felt like fixed ensure they recover cashed out casino. should now expect similar results all casinos might try 5511 online casino experience davidc after many years of playing real casinos i thought might try versions so started just over a week ago. read postings here and took the recommendations. here's what found ladbrokes uses mgs joined played basic strategy tripled my money cashed out on same day but did leave some in there which used to play following days. subsequent days game became harder point where it not like casino. switched 2 recording was happening. dealer winning 75 hands. almost felt they turned switch account make me lose. won't sites again. william hill crypt this one next because big well known company. really liked user interface crypt. pretty fair all time notice that if you increased bet sharply would give bad cards invariably won perhaps luck. weren't players decided look at other sites. intercasino is favourite are lots tables players. by stage had realised software gave long losing streaks especially short ones advantage betting minimum then jumping 100-500 for streaks. 9k up even appeared winners table. lost discipline most last night doing stupid plays splitting 10s 2-7. lesson there. i'll continue when get back. gold club boss think offers fairest including good single deck game. doesn't as more didn't much compared buttons too far apart. global player prop no multiplayer variety surrender. win couple sessions that's it. intend rtg wg next. thanks info forum. great site wizard odds. david 5512 gambling paddyboy are you playing for bonuses or just the thrill of gambling.if then mg and rtg have best but be wary some sites payment.golden riviera rivernile that tried to screw me. if i suggest read taking chances by john haigh. 5513 online casino experience damo have to agree with you about the ladbrokes it's easily one of worst apart from dealers incredible runs good fortune doesn't any form reward system a pretty poor effort britains biggest bookmaker. i think busy times for williamhill would be 10.00am 3.00pm as most players are based in uk. there usually well over 100 at these times. it can quite annoying when dealer almost invariably gets instant blackjack or 21 every time increase your bet. i've just tried goldentiger currently they're giving away 10usd without deposit dowload their software. microgaming software not too dissimilar site other mg sites however atleast they system. 5514 playing for fun davidc i play fun. haven't discovered bonus gambling yet but have read lots of posting on it here. seems that is getting harder from what read. david 5515 mgs is rigged. kx 300 hands gives an expected loss of less than 1 unit. one standard deviation equals approx 2 sqrt 20 8 your 60 units this almost minus 3 deviations and a big will only happen once in thousand. my firm belief that bj rigged data just makes me even more sure. 5516 true enough scarce it is getting harder. the inexperienced will find rough going after a short time. you can play for fun or profit. i don't think it's possible -or at least advisable- to do both. many card counters take as an insult if they're called gamblers . same of most online players who this soley with profit their motivation. 5517 gambler davidc i know what you mean. once played bj everyday for a month 6 hours day days week and won avg 1k per day. it became monotonous job that required total concentration strict discipline. gave up playing while after but taught me this game is percentage nothing to do with luck. david 5519 some gambler paddyboy wow dave you must be one of the best bj players in world.what are doing playing web please share your secrets with us.i would pay for a fraction skill have 5520 can you guys help me decide austin boy let's see now... 36 hours a week 30 000 per month. i can't if only want to work six months out of the year or go ahead and every month so invest huge amounts cash in some hot stocks like enron worldcom. should be able retire time for next world cup sure am going miss that 2 microgaming bj...... 5521 correction alias thanks for your input kx. i realize that did mistate my results however. of the 300 hands played won 40 . lost or tied remaining 60 hands. not lose betting units. blew off last portion deposit playing videopoker because no longer trusted blackjack game. however if they would rig find reason to think other low vig games punish bonus winners. 5522 recommendation argen blytze regarding your desire to try an rtg casino i would highly recommend blackwidow. had good luck playing blackjack and service there. requested a cashout from blackwidow for 1440 yesterday the funds are already in my paypal account. contrast last was less than 250 captaincook's sister of casinokingdom . after four days received e-mail demanding that send them copies picture id recent utility bill both sides credit card even though did not register or use deposit with them...i transfered money checking account using just like schmucks. 5523 super bj player paddyboy i switched to just playing 2 and started recording what was happening. the dealer winning 75 of hands. almost felt they turned on a switch my account make me lose. won't play mgs sites again then lost discipline basic strategy most it last night by doing stupid plays like splitting 10s 2-7. big lesson there. i'll continue this one when get back. austin think we have cracked if is way he in front his pc makes 30 000 month real casino am giving up job tomorrow flying vegas 6 method for 1 year should 360 after this. thanks davec sharing secret advantage with us 5524 does price waterhouse coopers condone cheating bj games coldsteel73 i haven't looked into this at all but have heard here about online software possibly knowing how to cheat returning winners even reputable places like acropolis counting where nobody seems win positive ev sites players cannot and the like. or safe bet whomever back whatever that means these if so would pwc be going along with casino industry people setting percentages for blackjack are not random basic beat a game rules etc. gotta admit my returns generally do go well either checked is involved sites. cold 5525 mgs bobbyc in 495 hands of bj at vegas villa i won 190 .383 lost 274 .553 and pushed 31 .062 total bet 2906 expected loss 3.77 actual 547 more than enough to scare me this was all single hand did worse on their multi handed but haven't pulled out the stats yet. bc 5526 bj for a living davidc lol. the thought had occured to me ditch my job and play lot of friends were recommending do that. but i was zombie by end month totally drained. wouldn't recommend it as now only fun. being one best doubt it. i've come across many regular players who winning more money than don't consider myself be in their league. europe where there didn't seem any heat from counting you can boxes want without increasing bet. david 5527 rec davidc thanks. i've signed up for grand banks and i'll give blackwidow a go as well. david 5528 learning davidc i learnt bj by writing a simulator which can do about 1m hands per minute and gives all me sorts of stats. even simulated various counting progression methods as well. this taught lot the game. david 5529 yes and no john may i haven't looked into this at all but have heard here about online bj software possibly knowing how to cheat returning winners even reputable places like acropolis counting games where nobody seems win positive ev sites players cannot the like. does price waterhouse coopers or safe bet whomever back whatever that means these pwc say something payback percentages conform expected random results which still leaves myriad possible forms of cheating. a casino audited by is probably marginally safer than one has not it. incidentally are currently being sued sinister russian organization gazprom. 5530 superplayer paddyboy what count system did you use how many incices kind of spread i want to be a like dave 5531 pboy why don't we team up austin boy on this deal. sounds like superplayer's system has plenty of built-in cover plays but still gets the money. with both us at same table could control flow cards also i bet make a killing those great single deck games where blackjacks pay massive 6 to 5. if work online possibilities would be endless..... 5532 have mercy guys nt bill baggins 5534 sounds like you ought to connect up with deepnettech nt jerry richardson 5535 there are some dependable casinos austin boy out in cyberland. also lots of rotten ones. one resource i depend on to weed them is the opa see link below. forum at winneronline.com has a lot experienced online players posting. paddy kx bone-us dancali rob mcgarvey gamemaster and others this will give you valuable information if you're willing listen. good luck p.s. splitting tens probably won't get very far bj. 5537 sorry just couldn't help myself nt austin boy 5538 superdiscipline paddyboy this must be how a 30 000 month winner wins i then lost my discipline and basic strategy most of it last night by doing stupid plays like splitting 10s on 2-7. big lesson there. i'll continue to play one when get back. will put you in contact with old schoolteacher ouch 5539 whoooaaa davidc ease up guys. did i say something wrong i'm completely new to this board so guess that's possible. david 5540 don't take it seriously david. austin boy just a little bj21 humor at your expense. i guess all the frank stanton jokes are getting stale.... best of luck to you 5541 there is no doubt in my mind... roywil that all the several net casinos i have played over last year or so punish you like an ugly stepchild when sharply increase your bet. david c and damo also brought this up. now i'm not saying it happens everytime--that would be too obvious--but most of time. at least enough if were a gambling man - put odds on it. had happen to me many times kinds software certainly begs question randomness. stupidity lack patience discipline aside contemplate was recently casino net. course few days betting 1 2 maybe rare 5 10 perfect bs increased 110 bonus 500. doing quite nicely rhythm speak. get crazy impatient bet 25. lose with 18 vs 19. childish ensues 100 draw 16 bust 7 t 15 8 200 13 4 25 14 9 17 q 6 lost almost hard-earned winnings less than minute ok did deserve for being impetuous but that's point here . only pocket change left 5. guess what win 20 sure know could just coincidental standard deviation whatever losing hands row isn't unusual etc etc. seen different casinos. can predict don't ask why continue fall into trap suppostion that--just real casinos--net nervous betters suddenly dramatically their bets. they fear system counting it's do something we mentality whatever. suspect built protection. bad let them small bets we'll big ones. theoretically luck. practice buy others report kind experience too. advice you're ok. medium kick up time you'll pay piper. btw some reason best luck vegas mg they'll occasion increases often. keep more even think fighting chance. always paid off funny business within day two. bonuses are puny though. 5542 happy chance casino c manley does anyone know anything about the online they are offering free 60 with a 20 deposit to new players but i can't get customer service respond emails. can help 5543 losing hands paddyboy i dont know why your surprised you lost those hands. lose 100 draw 16 bust vs 7 t.ev hit v about -.40 15 8 -.41 200 13 10 4.ev -.46 25 14 9.ev -.37 17 q 6 stand these are all anyway playing for bonuses if youre not then online casinos is a waste of money 5544 dude should have took the 500 and run nt carol 5545 happy chance bob fisher try 888-333-5990 but i would be very wary of this place. they pay quick enough think the games are fixed. 5546 happy chance casino c manley hi bob. thanks for your help. i tried the 888-333-5590 and got some apartment complex somewhere in this world. any other prospects toll free numbers would love to hear back from you. 5547 austin boy c manley are you in tx. i am and if would like to talk about bj love hear from you. clay 5548 splitting tens c manley p.s. probably won't get you very far in online bj. one thing that always knocks me over and well 80 of the time causes to lose a hand on multiplayer bj is when player splits tens. it my belief i'm sure many others who play bs should never i say split anyone else have any thoughts 5549 no sh t nfm nt roywil 5550 i think you missed my point. roywil was not at all surprised lost the hands after saw what drew. would have taken a bloody miracle. point is these kind of weak come up with suspicious regularity when one bumps his bets substantially. rest time seems pretty fair. 5551 rising bets paddyboy the point is these kind of weak hands come up with suspicious regularity when one bumps his substantially. rest time all seems pretty fair then dont bump your if that what you feel. i play for bonus money only jump d b and by at most 8 times less than just flatbet min have . lose before reaching reqs cashin my deposit. so ones a chance getting some are rtg as to wager deposit many get bonus. give damn about how rigged they rarely own playing this way gives great peace mind. 5552 roywil bjplayer coincidental my ass that's the exact reason why i only comp hustle now. it isn't you being unluckly it's them ripping off. start hustling won't get rich but should make a profit. good luck 5553 roulette in europe zero rule jim strange how the british company offerring european keep all even chance bets when comes up. uk half stake is returned wagers hits and rest of bet stands for next spin. their isnt a version that keeps except as played atlantic city which to my knowledge usa. so can they continue get away with this deception by claiming offer but american rules are after it seems bend goalposts suit themselves. would you go into english land based casino expect have play u.s game ......of course not. its con 5554 sorry this post was re william hill casino nt jim 5555 sorry but this is plain stupid.... kx the casino has a percentage edge. guess what players they like most answer betting large amounts. would it be wise to deal an unfair game those i think not. take look at for example intercasino and you ll see alot of high rollers. why because know softare random undepending on wagers... 5556 you dialed the wrong number bob fisher 888-333-5590 it's 888-333-5990. 5557 plain stupid paddyboy i dont get what you mean are saying it is to bet small rarely lose your own money and take the casinos bonus or that care if they rigged please clarify 5558 sorry.... kx the answer was intended for original post about casinos winning a higher percentage of hands when players place big bets. also i m talking major software. there might be cases among dirty software where theory is applicable. 5559 i forgive you paddyboy the answer was intended for original post about casinos winning a higher percentage of hands when players place big bets completely agree with think roywil is bit paranoid trying to see patterns in things that are not there. at land casino two nights ago and count rose course got lots stiffs small cards on double downs hardy any naturals dont ask splits.but 0 or less guess what my min bet out started getting great dealer kept busting. did start screaming rigged no as everyone would laugh you. some online should real how lady luck nasty bitch sometimes 5560 to kx paddy in response below as i understand the word paranoid ... roywil it is unreasonable fear of something. after almost a year playing several casinos on net believe that my suspicions not fears are far from unreasonable. they fact based reason and facts practical experience theory both online land latter for more than 35 years . so think fair say have pretty good idea how bithcy lady luck can be at casinos. am fully aware strange even bizarre does happen--good bad--in cards. still convinced if you drastically raise your bets line--usually always--the dealer will suddenly start getting miracle cards or get stiffs. call coincidence like. don't. certainly only one this board observed this. we all stupid use drawing conclusion it. but maybe someone who ignores our collective stupid. course love big betters kx. consistently bet suspect nothing especially fishy happen. small regularly over period time then bump likely burned. apparently didn't read original post very thorughly. made distinction clear. lest sour grapes up three thousand plus line stupidity notwithstanding. hey don't care agree with me not. just trying warn others something experienced many times over. want heed benefit unfortunate it's entirely choice. money. 5561 thanks. makes sense to me. nt roywil 5562 excellent advise on bonus play. thanks. roywil i have printed it off for future reference. but your advice to not bump bets reminds me of an old joke this guy says his doctor doc my chest hurts...but only when laugh. so don't laugh the doctor. those us who want play beyond fools though we may be should able our foolish heads without experiencing suspiciously suddenly bad luck. 5563 terrific report. very helpful. thanks. roywil glad to see my paranoia is shared by others. lol. i too got blatantly blindsided at intercasino. did well made good until bumped bets big. then boom wiped out. went back with another deposit played even around 5 and all well. ended up in the black. found that on mg sites where have actually done best games do seem get progressively harder win especially after you are their pocket for a few hundred. when reach wall just practise or play real somewhere else come days later. usually helps. still they favorite software since there most often pretty regularly. lucky guess. not boss though player disadvantage sems be favorable there. unlucky eager read your reports rtg wg. thanks again. 5564 answer. kx i m sorry for being so harsh. came home from a hard night down town yesteday... would never call you stupid don t know you. what have written far makes me pretty sure that are not stupid. having said do think your theory is bit based on wrote in the last post. even if only believe this happens to players raising their bets lacks logic. casino wants people increase it probably be better was rigged opposite direction ie giving winnings at large first times . like drug dealer free drugs time... will make junkie gambler come back more and bring profits. saying alot of ppl experienced same thing have. s surely true just say opposite. also an gambler. ve played than 250 casinos net been playing almost daily 2 years. seen no signs suspect any softwares play playtech boss rtg mgs oddson grand virtual b3w cytech cryptologic very successful need worry about my money. 5565 rtg and wg paul02085 roywil go over to www.winneronline.com do a search for world gaming. you will find some things that may save alot of problems money lol . 5566 buy a dictionary paddyboy roywil this is from the oxford paranoia 1.mental disorder with delusions of self persecution and self-importance. remind you anyone 2.abnormal suspicion mistrust are getting mixed up phobia abnormal or morbid fear aversion. understand good boy also said but hey i don't care if agree me not did why post new message disagreeing us on top page 5569 thank you for an intelligent mature response. one out of two ain't bad. roywil i don't know what casinos might want to do only through considerable experience they actually with regularity. would imagine all types worry too much about hooking players. are hooked when walk in the door or log . suspect is money sooner better. i'm glad haven't experienced have. but how often have bumped a bet from 1 2 50x 100x if on many occasions and not otherworldly bad luck then maybe wrong. it has happened me ugly my theory why happens may indeed be wrong--even stupid. fact remains times others. draw whatever conclusions like. 5570 isn't the online casino auditor south african subsidiary anon78 or does this vary between casinos that claim pwc as their i get impression proc-cyber based in africa has its audited by though could be mistaken. any thoughts 5571 pwc and micro monkey boy audits software for payout percent the card games roulette to ensure they are truly random. i think mg is giving bad data. 5572 the wizard and casinobar saga continues dan pronovost for those interested... mike shackleford publisher of www.thewizardofodds.com has re-posted his analysis study casinobar.com. after giving time world gaming coa to respond experiment is available again http game casinobar.html provides convincing evidence that casino bar running a rigged blackjack who have not yet heard. links other independent experiments including my own also show overwhelming www.casinobar.com 'dealing seconds' in some situations. at www.deepnettech.com casinobar_experiment.html deepnet technologies 5573 this casino is cheating anon8282 in blackjack regular casinos i believe it's safe to say that intuition useless and fact works against you. you can play basic strategy or hit stand based on what feel the dealer has. count cards rely some superstition regarding flow of how much bet when you've just had a good bad streak. if win back perhaps 101 your money per average. 99.5 . personal feelings at moment you'll probably 95-98 but forums internet are full reviews online sites all which me busted 5 times row can't be right was doing well before now i'm losing so they must have flipped switch make lose other things we'd laugh we heard relation las vegas casino. limited experience not any use physical why useful evaluation someone says started using loony progression system where double my every time moon winning big do pay attention no. it noteworthy such happened keep due nature streaks happen random for lengths time. hits streak doesn't mean them. 5574 in a way you are pointing at me. kx as i ve stated that mgs has turned evil on me and m nowadays convinced it is rigged. base this statistics if the same thing would happen land casino too fact be rigged had 5 sessions row with results worse than -1 sds each time. impossible non-rigged game. for example have been much more likely hit by lightning. 5575 i agree but it is a waste of time paddyboy completely with you.you realise that cold logic and reason are more important than feelings the sort always happens to me 3 times in row its rigged . am sick seeing people spout this rubbish trying direct them road reason. therefore going change my stance on every conspiracy theorist warn everyone not play online as they all less playing casinos rising bonuses money for ok lets try first one. ahem hey was captain cooks last week tv on.when zerox scandal broke noticed started losing like crazy so obviously mg tied up get back some cash anyone else been lot since 5576 answer again... kx i would imagine casinos of all types don't worry too much about hooking players. they are hooked when walk in the door or log . suspect what want is money sooner better. online casino players as you probably know not loyal at all. usually very little by specific casino. if doesn t offer anything unusual player will most cases just go on to next giving a good sign up offer. your small part it. scaring away first time ll make no profits. for lifetime earn big. i'm glad haven't experienced have. but how often have bumped bet from 1 2 50x 100x many occasions and otherworldly bad luck then maybe wrong. only it has happened me with ugly regularity. far everytime ve still done number occasinos. example once gone 200 close 10k playing bj. this was increasing bets 5 finally 100 hand. 5577 and you as well....... lionheart so i am not the only one to be hit when that scandal broke was doing well then lost over 50 of my hands. also noticed this enron story broke. btw a leo has anyone else tendency for leos possibly aries people suffer drastic standard deviations negative particularly playing in pyjamas at night.lionheart. 5578 the pyjama zodiac theory paddyboy i am a gemini and when play in my pjs do well against playtech.if only wear one slipper on right foot also ok againt crypto. 5579 this is real evidence paddyboy what i am on about.proper statistical by two respected members of the bj community which proves that casino dealing seconds. not just someone crying foul because they had a bad streak. people who run bar and air should be prosecuted for as it same theft. dan star sign are you will test pyjama zodiac theory 5580 no surprise jerry richardson i don't know if you can really compare land casinos with online and agree about the superstitions but an 8-deck shoe does have a pattern flow . charted it. it stands to reason. since blackjack is very even game not uncommon see wlwlwlwlwl. at casino niagara we call that up down down.... also am surprised find controlled losing streak unusual when increase bets in multiples. board has determined software easily manipulated what would prevent from taking advantage of situation. live they ask leave. crookedear 5582 patterns in blackjack dan pronovost as a mathematician myself it is fair to say that deck-dealt has but generally speaking flame words i know most gamblers go too far with this and make strategy beyond what the statistics qualify. 1 first valid - commonly used pattern by card counters when expectation i.e. count very high or low more likely following hands return base value for game close -0.5 whatever . balanced system like highlow my personal favorite ease of use good utility means true you're see tens aces dealt. you'll 2s 6s. actual affect on hand distribution subtle. average number cards dealt players bit lower everyone including dealer get blackjacks higher counts. multi-card drawn out hands. 2 invalid if dealing casino uses continuous shuffler an online reshuffles after every round then there are no you can predict future exceptions mathematically blackjack. even bust 100 row chances busting next same always. cheating study others casinobar.com provided evidence their might be single play. aren't going able take advantage profit just because seconds example doesn't mean leverage knowledge many non-card complicated betting systems 'pattern based' play bet strategies. although some these methods may increase decrease your longevity time without losing bakroll they will have effect whatsoever expectation... loss profit. exceptions. myth so popular books been published such preached george pappadopoulos his book hidden secrets win counting 3 why people believe streaks here differ researchers at hospitals who conducted studies monitoring brain activity subjects made gambling choices in. http www.sciam.com article.cfm articleid 000ddbf0-febc-1ccf-b4a8809ec588eedf pagenumber catid b 0004400a-e6f5-1c5e-b882809ec588ed9f short seeing our environment differentiated species allows us build buildings while monkeys live trees. it's natural carry skill we seeking 'survival' casino. alas instinct scientific reality don't jive two cents. www.deepnettech.com deepnet technologies 5583 it's a conspiracy dan pronovost sounds like good idea... i can see where cheating casino could detect my pyjama state through monitor and use it to determine when cheat. mean if i'm in pjs more likely be relaxed less notice the dealer squeaking out win on that 16 right keeping with scientific rigor of experiments i'd have take pictures myself at each round verify pyjamaed as well capturing screen shots do now. for next study intend effect gambling nude online casinos... deepnet technologies www.deepnettech.com 5584 birthday suit theory paddyboy online gambling in the nude could be very dangerous some people get excited when they start to win strange things might popping up on screen and off. 5585 anyone ever play desertwindscasino.com jethro if you have what was your experience 5586 thanks dan jerry richardson totally agree with you. incidentally you might be surprised that i used hobbyware's cross stitch software to make my graphs. the graphs were based on a simple - count much like many of popular blackjack counting systems. as increased number was getting enough near duplicates begin numbering them. may remember had stop playing at casino and your are right there aren't any patterns when shuffle every hand. also intelligent mammals think in if mathematically inclined often terms numbers rather than words. know do. after all decimal system is heck lot easier use 26-letter unrelated alphabet. crookedear 5587 good play kyle while the bonus was small blackjack good. i wagered a total of 8000 and came out 320 ahead betting 10 hand. after requesting cashin got my initial deposit returned to paypal in about 24 hours received check for rest week. will here again. 5588 true but... bone-us doesn't the example of casinobar teach us that casinos can and do cheat therefore it take much a stretch to consider possibility many in ways are not as obvious or easy detect way which is cheating. maybe casinobars' only mistake was easily detectable yes there those messages from po'd newbie had bad streak but also experienced players who just 5 standard deviations loss asking if other have similar experience at same casino. all medium large losses casino isn't least sign something could be amiss wouldn't this good place discuss these things everyone your view really losing luck variance you like possible indicator cheating then would happily taking everyones money with nobody saying word because their . let's try keep an open mind without letting our brain slosh one side. personally i think comments should made about for purpose others either collaborate refute. 5589 i agree. good post. nt kx 5590 devil's advocate re dealing seconds anon78 has anyone really shown that casino bar was according to the wizard's report he accepted professor's analysis dealer broke statistically significantly more often than would be case under hypothesis of seconds. this seems suggest not mechanism for cheating. i guess likely software just coded deal bust cards at a lower probability without using consistent with both and findings. am missing anything 5591 so some people actually austin boy wear clothes while playing online i'll have to give that a try sometime. maybe it will turn my mg luck around.... 5592 i suppose that is possible anon78 certainly if mg gave pwc bad data the latter's auditing would be stymied. perhaps a bunch of players complained to it have investigate and could no longer rely on mg's data. one good thing with you review your play playcheck though take long time. maybe bombard screen shots personally am not sure about mg. had some awful results their blackjack but exceptionally ones as well. it's worth investigating. 5593 that's a crop of bull hit bjplayer if you are winning an avg. 1k day it never becomes monotonous job and care how much have to concentrate. just keep playing because your making bundle that gets old. i know when i'm can play hours not get the least bit tired but losing different. find anyone who believes b.s. please let me bridge in san francisco i'd like sell them. 5594 good blackjack okay graphics warren i did alright here. registered twice with a slight change to my name and was able collect the bonus both times. they paid me fairly quickly no nonsense. 5595 i'd like to get your response too skar not be pushy but if you could email thoughts me as well appreciate it. 5596 love it skar i wh. it's one of my favorites. trust them well as much can be expected they pay me game seems fair i've done etc. oh yeah and recurring bonuses too. 5597 don't do it skar i'm not a pro but if i remember correctly the index to spilt 10's is mighty high so it's unlikely count would ever justify online. 5598 incorrect statement. dreamer dp wrote 2 invalid blackjack patterns - if you're dealing with a casino that uses continuous shuffler or an online reshuffles after every round then there are no you can use to predict future hands. quite few csms have been beaten period. d. 5599 beating csms dan pronovost hi i would be very interested in any results about continuous shuffle machines. can you back up your claim 5600 reply. dreamer no i guess you will have to take my word for it. - as regards public info there was a vegas tv show which gave details of team who beat sams town in out 17k from non-random shuffle machine. also several the older king machines were until they fixed them. d. 5601 i did well here al played only about 200 hands of blackjack but won over half them. they paid me quickly 7 days till got a check. the graphics do suck though who cares made good money. 5602 net casinos with highest promotions anon8282 does anyone have a list of the which offer there are plenty lists but many them 20 or 50 is not all that high an amount. for example captain cook's offers very good promotion deposit 100 and you get plus 15 signup bonus paying via paypal per month i was able to claim into my account instantly once signed up . giving 150 depositing good. only play 6x qualify others make 10x total. casino on 200 1000 it rather large amount risk. so got made posted somewhere 5603 desertwinds barker one query from jethro. 3 good reports first time posters.very fast respose christian names coincidence or spam bb. 5604 bingo barker nt austin boy 5605 doesn't look like it scarce one guy complained about the graphics and another claimed bonus abuse by opening a second account. i have no experience with this casino however. 5606 blah.. scarce 10 bonus. who cares 5607 answer bone-us the to your question is yes i do have a list made up with this information and more. - 5608 you don't know your bible syed i am not christian and even that jethro is a jewish person from the bible. have known many people named al who are christian. 5609 you are so right. barker i know very little of biblical characters.i wrongly refer to a person's first name as their christian name.my intention was draw attention the coincidence 3 rapid responses question about heard casino offering such small insignificant bonus and consecutively at that. maybe its just me playing amateur detective. if scoll down these posts it becomes apparant that with exception carol no contributors use names many did would sure become confusing. not in your case syed oh by way what is short for all best bb. 5610 dealing seconds evidence thereof dan pronovost one thing both mike and myself carefully avoided in our conclusions on casino bar was to say that the statistically improbable results were caused with certainty by 'dealing seconds'. we concluded it is extremely unlikely they are a fair game at least time which each played but determining exact cause hard predict. bar's expert did do an interesting statistical test indeed showed all dealer 12-16 hands not probable as only of mike's experiment data. my own study i narrowed when player had less than 16 equal or greater based suspect code snippet sent me suggested this latter case . data second their does show possible unfair results. deepnet technologies www.deepnettech.com 5611 it is short for syed syedath. i agree with you that 3 people using their first name odd. however only if were 10 or more then would be very suspicious. just like in blackjack losing straight hands not unusual fishy. 5612 just when you didn't think it couldn't happen does jerry richardson mapau casino of the sunny group offers a modest 25 bonus for initial buy-in 20. requirement to earn is play back 10x or 250. i wanted them because their software permits 1 minimum bets. deposited 150 as usually do. played five sessions over period days. had 32 wins 56 losses and 7 ties total 95 hands. in addition 4 with blackjacks one double win loss. my overall loss this brief encounter was 22 88 155 plays go meet requirement. since reflects 75 pay out per cent situation which should be above 97 how much deposit do will get don't know what probability result many s.d.'s but am sure kx does. kind skewed occurs can't help feeling that online blackjack industry serious need an equable system protects from abusers player casinos. crookedear 5613 just over 2..... bill baggins sds from expectation. simple formula for calculating 1 sd is sqr route of number hands played 1.1 average bet n.b. some will object to the simplicity this formula. so in your case 95 10.7 therefore - 22 loss or 2.06 don't have my z tables handy can't give an exact probability but you can expect experience a result within plus minus 1.96 expectation during sessions. other words would win greater than once every twenty personally i like playtech. had good at swiss several bad ones elsewhere sunny group regards b. 5614 not all that unlikely anon8282 well here's the deal. making 1 bets when you can't handle losing more than 25 gives a fairly high risk of ruin. if most can stand to lose is should probably be betting 50 cents or less. which impossible course. meaning shouldn't even playing in casino only offers bonus unless are just for fun and don't have any plans an advantage player. 5615 thanks bill and how are things going nt jerry richardson 5616 best bonuses paddyboy i find that microgaming have the usually 100 for with ok platthrough reqs. next is rtg but you to bet 6 or 7 times your deposit before get bounus and then wager bonus casing it in beware lots of people been screwed by casinos plasytech are hihg wagering boss media crap honest. one love intercasino 80 x d b every month there casino portals lists.i think bet2gamble they tell everything know about min max bets reqs etc. also check out winneronline new forums always read terms some dont make sense so email ask.if diont a responce fairly quick wouldnt play there.slow customer service bad sign me. watch mg allow on bj reqs.i got caught this at roxy palace. good hunting 5617 i realize should jerry richardson but don't know much about bonus math and how to best take advantage of the offers. in land casino am most comfortable playing 5 bets usually with a buy-in 160. since bet 1 online maximize number can make is it better that go for 100 bonuses reduce risk ruin before obtaining pay back thanks your comments. 5618 to split or not paddyboy i am running out of good bonuses play so considering playing ones like floridita and grand hotel where can only withdraw if you have the deposit twice bonus in your account what would do say for a 70 is make first bet win then straight away.although chance winning one bj hand 44 dont it. anyway got 10 v 9 on double case getting low card. but situation 6 3.is it better 12 3 as lose two hands are broke there few situations this tournament last concerned about ev. 5619 caution all first-time posters stanford wong rare is the thread that contains a question and three responses by people new to site. about product from stranger followwed favorable recommendation makes me wary. more strangers chime in with recommendations wary i become. 5620 interesting anon78 it seems like we are in general agreement then. you won't catch me at casino bar anytime soon 5621 not bad thanks... bill baggins i hope your feet are getting too itchy with being away from real cards. treated myself to a session in non-virtual casino last night. the dealer got bit confused though when was fumbling for my mouse play hand. regards post below about which bonuses play. you probably better 100 matches. most people here rate on attached playthrough requirements i.e. how many times have wager bonus and deposit before making withdrawal. as just starting out would say that anything over ten match is excessive. problem will be finding places where can make 1 bets. higher minimums e.g. microgaming 2 rtg 5 crypto 5. but there lower bets found . sure do quick check or at other such winneronline precious dollars. all best b. 5622 hard decision... kx i m happy to see more ppl having realised the basics of how play those promotions. prefer playing bj too even though there should be allowed games offering a larger that 43 chance reaching 200 in first try... you have doubling splitting black jack adding your payback which don t really want situation like this. har decision regarding doubles and splits. would probably do it defensive way ie not ve never been approx same strategy applies for cytech golden palace groups promotions . say just by reasoning. think need some simulations... 5623 still a good offer... kx 100 bonus is very nice advantage play even if you use high risk of ruin strategy... the higher bets average wins in cases win. also faster playing more casinos same time less being considered abuser and fees for cashing checks. feel like it do search here or at wol ll find extensive posts about goodness variance gaming 5624 sorry... kx didn t see your post until now. you got help from bill baggins instead. i was taught a factor of 1 2 for single hand black jack as opposed to bbs but this won make any large difference. 5625 fishy indeed... kx when 3 ppl are new to the forum recommend a casino that looks really crappy and offers lousy bonus then i will surely join in syed stanford wong chant... is there actually out risking their money for 10 noone ever heard of probably have software you would made better yourself 5626 who is this stanford character anyway - we don't see him here 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there are lots of who have no wagering req but demand a cashout atleast deposit 2 bonus. i ve never seen any them subtracting the bonus though. one you thinking 5633 virtual casino comp points paddyboy anyone played at rtg and have problems with the points. i been playing went ahead a good bit but as was about 1 2 way through playthrough started losing crazy rate. anyway keeping track of how much had bet by they seemed to be increasing slower than should so counted found that getting only point for every 20 not 10 probably while back. emailed them course there is no responce. am going cashin untill hear from will subtract bonus. didnt see on any blacklists this new scam me caught out like another lesson learned now count ignore fool trust anything an rtg. 5634 r.o.f.l.m.a.o. nt bone-us 5635 winit are scum scarce read my piece s about rtg. these clowns the absolute worst. of course they on everyone's blacklist see gambling.com for numerous complaints . there decent rtg casino's but horrible places to put your money. this is 5636 i m waiting for your resonse scarce - nt kx 5637 sorry scarce ..i got my wires crossed or something. no micro's do this. the rationale is same though as those micro casino's which force you to win double amount of bonus bet large. aspinalls who are now managed by golden palace thing and presently have a 25 75 offer running. i don't like these offers much they're hardly worth doing with large play requirement. 5638 pls explain mr deviant i'm retarded .. so if i get 100 bonus and they subtract when withdraw what's the point 5639 online casino watash if you run into a losing streak while playing at does it help to log out and then wait back in or do pick up where left off 5640 they are loaning you money austin boy to gamble with. they're hoping that you'll lose your ass which the majority of people do. don't we all like idea gambling with somebody else's this bonus is just bait on big sucker casino hook. can make however. need two things 1. luck have win 2. discipline quit while you're ahead i think i'll stick real bonuses.... 5641 virtually screwed paddyboy i think am f on this one. but when you are done like is there any point putting in a complaint at the opa. put one about river nile and opa said we have contacted casino awaiting responce 2 months ago.i emailed they always just say net casinos dont give shit anybody seem to operate outside law.look casinobar what going happen them nothing.if out of money can do wonder if lived country where ecasino was based were could take court case against 5642 do what everyone else does scarce hit the message boards with grimey details of your sordid tale. wol casinomeister are good places to start. if you deposited by credit card this is one instance where a chargeback could be contemplated without guilt. you'll write off further rtg play and maybe some others so loss would have substantial go through that. 5643 problem bone-us i don't understand the problem. sounds like you just depended on comp points instead of keeping track your play yourself. had some bad luck too but unless they're cheating they haven't done anything wrong other than shorting points. what's that worth 1.50 personally use a hand tally to keep bets placed. works great. i've played there for their free 50 and lost it then 25 75 bonus about 1 3 when done. took them week half pay. 5644 comps paddyboy i usually take track of the amount have played.but with rtg it is easier as you just go to bank and see how many then know much wagered.but this one if bet 20 only got 1 point whereas should 2 therefore went check out had 50 comp points thought wagered 500 in reality 1000 . so probably through reqs was way through. quite a good one. seems like be sherlock holmes these days play bonuses not really let my defenses down actually 10 5645 has any one played ace king club damiandunlap do they pay and did u like the games 5646 lol bone-us i was in a groove. bet... deal... hit stay double split... bet again. click click. move those chips. play that action. up pops my cards... two face cards for me. now the dealers up-card... it's six. cool. zip mouse over to button just like i've done few hundred times last hour or so. then... doh wrist gives little skip right past and as nimble but over-anxious index finger clicks dang no frantically avail. too late. resign myself fact not only did blow nearly guaranteed win i'm gonna lose twice much can't watch instead take seconds murmer choice cuss words. words because reserve them since i'd probably get arrested sh_t beat out of me if used on anyone else. eventually glance at screen am puzzled seeing dealer showing total 26 thinking how can be once bust shouldn't any more then notice ace sitting end pair exclamation point perfect hand 21 hard way boy laugh 5647 nice story nt barker 5648 cewl kx you should play software with safety features in the future so ll avoid getting emotions your robotic - 5649 different comp rules... kx are us sure they use the same system as other rtgs that is u say in reality obviously not since uses systems black widow being best far i know offering a 0 2 cashback instead of widespread 1 prefer using my bezel on watch to count. cryptologic only place where feel it s easy see how much you ve wagered allthough like always lose directly after having look logviewer superstition or 5650 300 bonus not a sucker i deposited 25 dollars at virtual casino and received 75 after meeting the required wagering guidelines cashed out for 200 was paid through paypal in about week few calls to customer service. 5651 the bonus trap jerry richardson beware of marketeer who comes bearing multiple bonuses. how about a 100 match your original deposit 150 plus 15 free for purchase thru paypal. all you have to do is play 5x and each that 1500 825 beauty it don't get any until satisfy requirements both. much money think will spend even at high payout per cent. course casinos with this kind pitch not generally po . if are interested happy above emailed me on 4th 200 offer i would be glad send his address - crookedear 5652 complaints paddyboy is there any point putting in a complaint at the opa i have done so already about rivernile. their responce was can we your acc no and never heard from them again. 5653 yeah nt coldsteel73 5654 unscrewed paddyboy i got through to live help and was told that they indeed had changed the comps for bj 20 1 point but hadnt gotten around changing it in site mmmmm. anyway gave me a free 10 chip inconvience also responce my emails at last now comes more fun cash suppose should expect this from an rtg their bonuses are tempting. does anyone else still play rtgs 5655 help- question watash if you run into a losing streak while playing at online casino does it help to log out and then wait back in or do pick up where left off 5656 ruby dragon jacobite bone_us asked for updates etc. so here is one. these guys seem to flat out lie. i read their terms conditions and they required 5 deposit bonus in wagers cash out. have now told me twice writing that the requirement 10 times . if you go web site today it says d b on top of 'sticky' i.e. require a balance greater than before can anything 5657 need help wei someone else i have known off actually did that but it was unsuccessful. the banking people said something along line of visa international law blab so what is everyone else's reasons for chargeback person ticked on reason engaging in their service wasnot happy with service. we are not quite sure if this because ineffective or there's really rule thanks your time 5658 in online blackjack i doubt it jerry richardson since the software re-shuffles after every hand. therefore there should not be any interrelated streaks if shuffle is fairly random. however will probably make you feel better. have a personal cutoff for consecutive losses following which switch to another casino. five or six stable so can maintain continuous play want. otherwise just stop awhile. all fun. crookedear. 5659 errors scarce i don't like this bunch extreme casino heat ruby dragon at all but suspect there's some kind of mistake going on about the wagering requirements. their signup offer is 5x 5x. they also have other offers occassion which are 10x 10x. and bonus not sticky. you do to finish above your deposit total or keep in account. least didn't there as well. perhaps could specify played something else. for guys who complaining rtg casino's please a search full reviews listed by yours truly. it will save major headaches. 5660 scarce bobbyc please do a search for full reviews of all the casino's listed by yours truly. it will save you some major headaches. where would i find these bc 5661 use the search feature at top of page scarce just set length time you want to got back for your and either look as poster or rtg keyword. dates were aug 25 01 feb 20 02 23 27 02. 5662 it was a new player signup bonus jacobite and sticky they did change to 10 times. i have the e-mails from them stating this unequivocally. 5663 really odd scarce ..but hardly surprising given this group's reputation for lying and or stealing. if the facts are correct as you've outlined them then one can only admire perverse chutzpah it would take to lie categorically while retaining original terms agreed on their website. mind boggles. slam hard. 5664 contacts scarce try tomb realtimegaming.com . he just loves hearing this sort of bullshit and may be able to help you out with probem. 5665 somewhat screwed pensive gerbil a careful reading of the misleading terms and conditions on virtual casino's website will reveal that you can only cashout 25 any bonus receive. regarding other rtg casinos i think blackwidow is trustworthy they've done right by me. 5666 can you clarify whose e-mail this is please scarce. nt bill baggins 5667 keep to the point jethro i have 2 friends who did well at this casino regardless of small bonus or crappy software. posted an inquiry here see if anyone else got screwed since is not much a sample. as some responded think am suspicious for being new and using real name several times group over past few months unlike many people no fear my name. would appreciate appropriate feedback foolish suspicions couple postings. 5668 thanks nt bobbyc 5669 rtg watchdog scarce this is for the liason officer at to deal with casino disputes between players and a casino. generally hands-off company which lets casino's do as they please but after bad press earlier year they've been least trying give better impression. if facts are jacobite says he has in writing may actually get somewhere rather clear case of fraud. 5670 thanks nt bill baggins 5671 end of paypal as transaction option bill baggins see wol thread today. regards b. 5672 what's wol nt cd 5673 winners on line nt guess who 5674 no so good jerry richardson hi bill wouldn't you know just get my paypal account its working great and now they want to quit. the announcement seems premature i doubt that a write-in campaign would do much suspect successor will eventually step in - firepay for example whom am not familiar. richarson 5675 netcasinos for mac don't flame me... piney newbie being a owner right now...i am going to get pc. however are there any multi-platform online casinos if so which do you recommend thanks. 5676 what is best place to check ratings of online casinos jiminsiliconvalley which ones pay up promptly and accurately don't anybody know a good site for this basically in an casino you hand over your money play then ask what's remaining back. how do they'll give it back since they want return business doesn't make sense the long run rip off except by house edge course. but about fly-by-nights jim 5677 vpc is rigged players advocate i have been tracking my play here folks and it now very obvious that rigging their game. played thousands of hands here. recently the cards much different. last 6 sessions flat betting at golden balls all losers. this aroused suspicion so started results. a new session balls...the 20 were as follows 5 dealer blackjacks 2 pushes player 21 vs. grand total one hand won by suspected cheating for while. just did another little experiement lucky gate. bet almost 200 hands. result slow steady decline with suspicious had about 4x many bj's normal. long streaks losing several in row. pushing 20's beating bj's. confronted asked logs feedback. ignored. point would strongly advise against really clear there going on 5678 virtual pc plays them all nt the dark side 5679 positive experience at captain cooks anon8282 has a good bonus program for 100 deposit you can get 150 in bonuses and have to make 1500 bets be eligible them. i made 1800 or so broke even ended up with about 250 cashed out. got email from them saying needed scan of my driver's license one utility bills. however before chance do they credited the entire paypal account. it may that did this by accident but was me nonetheless 5680 how not to look like a bonus abuser anon8282 ok this is just theory of mine others more experienced can verify whether or i'm right. but my is... the worst thing you could do would be sign up at some online casino needing bet 1500 for example. play 2-3 hours straight making exactly 500 3 bets. then immediately try cash out. on other hand instead vary your bets somewhat. if want make 2- 4 you're ahead and well way towards that even more. sure least 10 than need to. in multiple sessions over period days wait few mostly blackjack single multi video poker as well. so now far real gambler theoretically will receive less hassle from when go anyone with experience tell me right 5681 cover paddyboy what is the point of this.if i play just reach playthrough then cashout. at one casino cashed in and got an email back saying was 4 away from so made a bet out no problems. it tncs amount you have to wager as long meet that are ok. there nothing cant flat either. think playing beyond platthrough waste time.use this time look for other bonuses 5682 flat betting paranoidandroid actually some tncs that i have read state not varying bets can be viewed as an abuse of the bonus system or something to effect. so think casinos are monitoring levels closely. 5683 is a bonus abuser some one who power bets jerry richardson the play back requirement just to get if there of it left i thought was player got an original and then used phony name or identification again not sure see anything wrong with first method. second what getting multiple increased guess danish players banned. as you know bet 1 in blackjack have had no trouble collecting my bonuses long amount required for payment. don't forget watch our that small free bonus. will kill you. am slowly finding minimum sites but could use more run across them. worry already playing crookedear. 5684 intercasino lucky... not has given me some suspicious dealings. i've played there 3 times now with the exact same thing happening. i play their multi-player game at 2 a hand and have normal luck. then get bored dog-as_ slow start playing alone 5 minimum. what happens you guessed it. losing big time. doubled 11 against dealer 6 is loser solid 20 met by 21 push. attributed it to variance first two but i'm starting wonder. anyone else had similar experience 5685 is firepay in the wings jerry richardson hi bill my son says he feel ebay may want out of gaming segment because they don't have particular advantage that market and can divert their resources to more lucrative auction business. i'm not knowledgeable about stock but i believe heard posted an unexpected improvement earnings recently learned something from experience. 5686 similar experience jethro when i play with consistent 2 per hand betting do well. but wager more lose. i've played a little over 2000 hands at intercasino so statistically it is not far from impossible for this to happen just doesn't feel right. aside has been good me. 5687 i believe monkey boy that cryptologic software deals a rigged bj game. 5688 unified cd the friends i know who were playing a year or two ago are now convinced that many places cheating -- cryptologic being one of them. how people doing with those always best for me and i'm wondering if think they still deal an honest game. 5689 bets paddyboy so then just double up one bet you hve varied. i myself if am d b call this the safe zone.it lso helps to get through wagering reqs quicker. dont really min anymore for small bonuses 50 or less yes as have made enough already that even played blindfolded next 20 casinos would still be in black 5690 how much is possible paranoidandroid one of my friends from green chip got me started on web casino bonuses. using some the info these boards i have had sucess and already realize financial benefits seeking out so question money with this anyone doing full-time can see as a nice way to add real-world bj bankroll but has looked into their primary source income 5691 bonus rules for existing customers pensive gerbil i have a newbie question regarding deposit bonusses that casinos offer to customers. suppose you an account balance of x dollars and decide additional d in order receive b dollars. if lose before completing the playthrough requirement will generally allow cashout your prior without further wagering 5692 first income paddyboy it depends on what your expenses are.my are very low.bonus hustling and welfare has been my only source of for the past 5 months but i have played through most good bonuses so will to go back rat race soon made average 300 a week. 5693 screenshot rat anyone ever sent in a of your paypal account to casino the should show name and adress as well number i cant find page like that on paypal. 5694 not really. firestorm you can make a few bucks here and there but the hassle of having to try get money from casinos is pain. bonuses are become harder with more risk. also face playing where game obviously rigged. 5695 goldenriviera mr deviant anyone had trouble getting winnings from these people they refunded my init deposit quickly. but i've been waiting over month for check. 5696 they take forever to pay monkey boy keep bugging them. make a stink at winner's online. 5697 let's talk pensive gerbil i tried sending you an e-mail but your unlikely address did not work. perhaps can send me if do wish to post real and we talk. 5698 after a bit more.. scarce ..file complaint with the opa. these guys and rivernile do take long time to pay 6 weeks is not uncommon . i have nothing but contempt for casino's. 5699 monkey see do paddyboy i have looked through your previous posts monkeyboy and you believe playtech crypto are rigged rtg fair. based on the fact that lost at first two won rtg. so if played a few hands of poker with mother would probably accuse her cheating also. 5700 why would you want to do that jerry richardson it quite easy print out a copy of your paypal account but i'm sure i wouldn't send anybody particularly casino. 5701 more bill haywood what is vpc software do they use 5702 looked at my intercasino results and had to smile jerry richardson i won't be much help you since only play 2 bets. however in 529 plays made exactly 5 from wins verses losses. get a feel of the balance software track losses every 20 hands compare them with each other. it seems work pretty well. if your is balanced irratic probably have answer. 5704 vpc monkey boy video poker palace or castle not sure but they use i crystal software. in 2000 had good results with this software earlier year played for the first time a long and - 3 sd event. very bad results. sent me log have it somewhere. whether it's rigged can't say sure. my play is limited am suspicous of their sw turned down number bonuses. anectdotal evidence suggests vp games are on up up. 5705 my opinion. kx there are approx. 2000 online casinos out there. probably approx 300 i would play enough trustworthy and ok bonuses . assume that you on average can win 50 from hustling each should be possible gives 15000. manage to live for 1 5 years. it will get harder every day spend doing though... not getting databased being an abuser going less reputable with worse bonuses. 5706 bonus abuser... kx is a term online casinos like calling advantage players. especially rtg-joints likes labeling players who follows the rules but makes profits from promos abusers... it sucks s real world. 5707 not very wise... kx first reason being that several casinos will take back your bonus immediately and put you in a database of bonusabusers if don t reach requirements even it s 4 . so were lucky... second apparent just hunt bonuses. always do this never risk losing anything ll eventually get barred. 5708 bet large. kx to me there s four things that easily distinguishes the average advantage player 1 barely meets wagering req. 2 plays only high percentage games and mostly low variance like bj. 3 cashes out immediately. 4 small bets. so avoid getting labeled one should deviate from above in ways are least costly. makes a very difference ev at single casino if you wager 10-20 extra. anon8282 i quite alot extra m ahead setting limits downwards . would stick this. is not problem think vp ok to. also play some multihand bj larger house but lower variance. usually do this shouldn t... need money fast. wisest thing clearly doing what suggests as waiting costs almost nothing ve got cash enough other casinos while waiting. best way labeling my opinion. most bonus hunters seems prefer playing wagers opposite. have still never seen any good reason for so. argued several times opinion higher bets gives advantages less risk of being abuser discussed thread. fees cashing checks. increases your since ll on sometimes reaching bottom faster. which means get time more promotions... strategy applicable bonuses where can back original deposit before meeting example playtech cryptologic it suitable when all able anything. 5709 how long did it take until you got paid kx i recently recommended this casino to some friends. what didn t know was that they had started requiring faxback forms sucky follow in the dirty foot steps of rtg . so after receiving mails regarding making faxbacks get your payment 5710 long wait bobbyc both goldenriv and rivernile put my original deposit back in paypay fairly quickly 4 days but then made me 5 weeks 7 for the remainder. i sent repeated e-mails phone calls. bc 5711 checked my results too bobbyc i had a few problems with them. when played them it was 50 for d b x6 required. started at 2 table and first 80 or so hands were mostly 4.then getting message on the screen saying that min bet raised to 5 even table. sent e-mails made phone calls but still minimum 5. after 637 thru up 25 successfully cashed out original deposit 1 charge each cash two more attempted outs they wouldn't let me whole thing 13 dollars in account firing off nasty no satisfaction. finally just got pissed of course lost it. broke intercasino experience thought cheap penny pinching scum hey opinion. bc 5712 how long... anon8282 3 days. when i went to cash out got an email the same day believe from captain cooks explaining what needed do out. days later received money via paypal. note that never did get chance or fax them a copy of my driver's license as they asked me in their original email. 5713 whay they got the top rating in gambling.com echeng4 i have same bad experience with golden riviera. been waiting for one month to get my net winning money. why still vote it's very misleading. 5714 it's a grind... rimmer it used to be easy money...but now casinos are run by known thieves the government is working hard eliminate your money gets tied up too long overseas and games most likely rigged. you can try it...but following will happen at some point - get cheated rigged game. have stolen dishonest casino. gamble beyond advantage lose deposit. spend 2-3 hours per casino haggling over withdrawal procedures faxes scans callbacks notarizations etc. deal with of dumber customer support people in world. 5715 why not rat i don t see the harm in doing that. 5716 i don't know maybe not. jerry richardson being an old timer am just a little uncomfortable sharing my private financial information with casino which is out to get money. crookedear 5717 good bonuses paddyboy kx you must have played all the ones worth doing.what kind of are playing now i think best thing to do as go on is too find a friend or family member with credit card and split profits.although can see this leading lots arguments. 5718 you are the hunter not hunted paddyboy being an old timer i am just a little uncomfortable sharing my private financial information with casino which is out to get money. their 5719 answer. kx i m in fact helping a couple of friends yes. otherwise resort to newly opened casinos or take chances with semicrappy ones. also play some existing player bonuses although rarely get good ones . 5720 bossmedia paddyboy i know that most people think boss have a fair game and are respected.but just played at el casino jesus christ never seen such slaughter in my life online or onland. started 100 betting 4 hand after wagering only 300 the was gone. you old story.dealer keeps getting ten upcard if not rarely busts stiffs player doubles always catch small.actually had an opportunity to split.only got one natural rest. tncs wager certain amount before making any withdrawal but thought hey no-one complains about so good chance. am going say it is rigged suppose out of thousands play someone get slaughtering. anyway another new lesson.im place unless can withdraw your deposit anytime want where much account cant bonus d b account.as what happen these places. give me micro rtg anyday 5721 bonuses paddyboy nice to see you helping your friends.this is how bonus hustling makes us nicer people. i am now finding it hard get good and have resorted boss with not very results above .anyway the at are a waste of time. although there something about even winning small amount from an online casino that worthwile .crypto too high wagering reqs.except for intercasino monthly this great dont like rtg but going try more these chance them as they after unified lesser known groups played will help my friends. find people who gamble bigger mistrust than those do did persuade friends 5722 i hate this type of post monkey boy have never seen such a slaughter in my life online or onland. long term results indicate that the boss game holds very close to theoretical edge. based on long-term believe is random and fair. im not going play at place unless you can withdraw your deposit anytime want where so much account before cant bonus d b account. re cutting yourself off from lot money but s fine by me. one less bh er good thing. ev it doesn t matter get it. me what happens any session. run will show up spread sheet just as has for two years now. 5723 my take... easyrider very interesting question... it seems to me that if one was adequately banked the potential is there for some prolonged consistent return. i constantly receive special offers from casinos 20 matches up 5 grand with modest playing requirements. now casino legit there's a lot of there. question 1 who's got five 2 and willing hand over an online casino. targeting honest operations key. as long still have healthy positive expectation despite software rigging has strong payment history i'll play. really don't mind having wait payments know they're coming...cuz' sure beats hell out workin'. -easy 5725 betting large.... pensive gerbil ok to play some multihand bj larger house advantage but lower variance i believe playing multiple hands will increase your since the outcomes of each hand you no longer be independent. don't know why it would edge unless game has different rules or a number decks . think that counters might able decrease when hands--especially in single-deck game. regarding statements about big do not see how ev i.e. expected value course variance. this strategy is applicable bonuses where can cash back original deposit before meeting wagering req. for example at playtech and cryptologic if cashout requirement jeopardize ability receive future bonusses from these casinos 5726 bethedealer sporkpork anyone try this site any comments 5727 answer again. kx played all casinos offering acceptable promotions of those groups mgs crypto playtech oddson grand virtual igw most these rtg cytech reputable in house like con stanley acropolis global winner etc. would be happy to play boss if i was allowed trust them above . very few except for mentioned above. friends are easily persuaded when waving some checks their face - 5728 so do i paddyboy hate reading about peoples bad experiences online but there seems to be many of them.in land casino forums the threads are tatics and strategies whereas mostly being ripped off. you say re cutting yourself off from a lot money that s fine by me. one less bh er is good thing. ev it doesn t matter where get it. me what happens in any session. then theoretically should not play at casinos which have withdraw only if d 2xb account or bonus b account.as long term can expect 99.5 playing bs. 5729 reply kx i believe playing multiple hands will increase your variance since the outcomes of each hand you play no longer be independent. don't know why it would house edge unless multihand game has different rules or a number decks . think that counters might able to decrease when hands--especially in single-deck game. for same amount bet variance. if 15 on single get higher than 3 5 spots. is perfectly correlated with itself see - games never uses deck online. far too good counters. take example mgs bj. their offers advantage 0 13 while 65 quite big difference. regarding statements about betting do not how ev i.e. expected value but course casino an as know. less they ll win average. lowvariance small bets run very low risk reaching down initial deposit and cash out. highvariance this high. thus high wager average therey decreasing amounts taken by increasing ev. cashout original before meeting wagering requirement jeopardize ability receive future bonusses from these casinos yes will. don t playtech at crypto so have careful doing often. 5730 not correct. kx you don t start in the long run . on your way have alot of variance and therefor ll sometimes reach d 2 b 0. cash out approx 65 times lose 35 times. when win twice amount lose. so numberofcasinos 0 2b-0 95 infact average while a normal bonus where 6 88 b. both examples based house edge 1 5731 customer support replied mr deviant they said a check was sent jun 22. i live in large us city not middle of amazon jungle. the standard line could take 4-6 wks for to arrive given. i'd bet even money wasn't yet. 5732 bonuses paddyboy in the long run you ll cash out approx 65 of times and lose 35 times. when win twice amount lose. how did come to cashing time d 2xb casinos. also do use normal bs these i asked this question steve jacobs think he is coming up with a strategy minimize your chance losing one for maximising winning 5733 prestigecasino chancer hi anyone got any info on prestige casino's bonus is it a sticky can be used with bj how much has to wagered claim the lack of t c concerning makes difficult determine what rule help would appreciated. many thanks...... 5734 those votes are bought nt scarce 5735 not very hard... kx you start by being 2 3 of the way to goal. with no casino edge would have a 66 666.. chance reaching it. small my approx. is 65 . hard come up strategy for this. just bet large. larger bets less ll on average reach goal and thus winnings casino. if play black jack 200 bankroll want 300 i suggest placing 50 so that succesful double split bj isn t optimal this though. color roulette be perfect but it s allowed. ve posted longer answers about before. do search signature interested. 5736 sorry somehow missed it kx jerry richardson hate to ask you repeat any of your answers but i don't recollect what stat ev represents. tnx crookedear 5737 possibly one answer...... barker would be to avoid the chasing and endless clicking from portal page over shortlist a number of straight easy high bonus casinos spend time it far less locate recruit friends assist . operation then in effect license print money. good filing system can developed as presentation that have potential co-players queueing up for assistance .the reason i am thinking along these lines is after playing 54 spending more links web messages such less. addition this there seems an increase observations reports games are rigged several software set-ups. conclusion resting off vegas couple months september.regards all bb. 5738 more than one way to skin a cat scarce obviously you guys are starting come up against the brick wall which everyone who does this comes at some point. rather seek out friends assist should be looking converse view and gain will you. granted helping others work but also causes headaches in itself as no longer independent. i've always felt that ev is fine have factor total time spent for offers better representation of just what you're making online. if spending 10 hrs find play offer where make 100 your would spend finding 4 50 average. there seem enough players here could simply share e-mail addresses go about organized discreet fashion public message board allows. 5739 the math... plover you stated casino has an edge as know. less bet they ll win on average. if play a lowvariance game with small bets run very low risk of reaching down to your initial deposit and cash out. highvariance this is high. thus in high variance wager average therey decreasing amounts taken by increasing ev. when have greater ror for that particular bonus. even though higher bonus it doesn't change overall you've increased chance tapping out should be offset chances having huge runup casino. factor both ev remain unchanged. 5740 reply scarce if you cashout your original deposit before meeting the wagering requirement will this jeopardize ability to receive future bonusses from these casinos yes it will. don t know about playtech but at crypto so have be careful not doing often. really i thought opposite would true. intercasino just adds up unfulfilled requirements. some others like sands and think kiwi now mandatory point is rather academic though. large play requirments such as 50 bonus's with 2500 are worth doing. read c's carefully can cash out them then do so. don't bothered by fretting cryptologic which a waste of time. similarly casino's new york 100 5000 offer. absurd. they state any time playing single hand simplest course. get locked it's loss anyway. course in many instances bothering first place might best play. much attempt than may put on blacklist. also offers rarely more their monthly omni an exception recently . even miserly --and games skewed my opinion. 5741 the main problem barker at risk of sounding negative my experience reading several boards on a daily or more basis is that for each recommendation there are contradicting reports from others. with pooling information protracted time it takes conclusion i.e. being paid.additionally i think likely if you compared first 50 casinos played we would find lists match even though some 1800 so has been quoted. reason start highest bonuses and systematically lower our sights. alllondon an investment 1 collected 22 back to paypal in couple days.relatively speaking was definately greatest success .i'm still convinced best way forward compile top 30 iron out logistics recruit visit co-players daily. no searching researching mistakes. all best. bb 5742 can't beat the real thing... easyrider in conclusion i for one am resting and off to vegas a couple of months september. hear that. after while thought sitting down with people winning hard currency on spot begins sound like bargain. good cards. -easy 5743 black rhino casino sb true morons anononek my 11 year old nephew knows more about gambling than these dimwits. they won't pay a player because think he was scalping and middling. what joke. 5744 video poker classic nt players advocate 5745 great idea paddyboy this is a good idea.here my address padro1232002 yahoo.com . theplayersroomcasino offering 100 for i got from wol dont know what the software provider is. not gret discovery but tommorrow am going to do bit of hunting and will try find some more. there lot negativity on board instead moaning each other we should be helping other. scarce have you ever thought setting up your own website.you seem most knowledgable in field. 5746 ok gal i received payment within a week after few phone calls from them asking if i've been playing or not. weird otherwise than those right when log on they're pretty prompt with their payment. no personal doc's required like the faxing of your cc and all that other b s some casions. c little hassle procedures. 5747 sister casino kingdom gal i started playing here and they got me to fax my dl credit card utility bill just tell that haven't met wagering requirement. well went back wagered about enough or so think unless find another excuse not pay . explain what this faxback thing is...i'm sure it's the next verification step need take. online gaming is conveinient it 5748 prestige les how does my bonus account work you may occasionally be awarded money which can used to wager with. the your is for wagering purposes only and it will treated differently then real money. saved in a separate account. cannot withdrawn from webdollar but withdraw winnings earned with this own deposited plus only. when first place bet at casino once all of has been playing . hope helps....... 5749 other considerations pensive gerbil for the same amount bet it will decrease variance. agreed. i should have guessed that's what you meant in high variance game ll wager less on average follow you. if you're properly playing bj or another with a small house edge then increase ev would be minimal absolute terms though perhaps more significant respect to per unit of time. nevertheless may not worth jeopardizing your ability receive additional bonus offers cashout deposit before meeting playthrough requirement . why this approach apply casinos where cannot completing one benefit might receiving generous from at which lost and deposit. however i'm sure whether you'll many promos those got lucky cashed out big bust mcg casino their they add unmet wagering balance next do get start over clean slate -pg 5750 you need to wager 10x bonus at prestige. nt austin boy 5751 i believe you are mistaken... pensive gerbil opened an account with prestigecasino a few weeks ago and the playthrough requirement for their 40 new player bonus was 2xb 80 . received another offer about week from them of 5xb. 5752 you must be special gerbil. - austin boy i just signed up last week at prestige it was 10x bonus for me a fair bj game however. how about forwarding that 5x offer. good hunting..... 5753 sorry the 5x bonus offer expired already nt pensive gerbil 5754 paypal to stop dealing with online casinos anon8282 http story.news.yahoo.com news tmpl story u nm 20020709 wr_nm tech_paypal_gaming_dc_1 mon jul 8 9 34 pm et los angeles reuters - the odds for success of under fire as credit card providers refuse accept their transactions in growing numbers grew longer on monday when internet payment services provider inc. said it too would exit business. paypal's departure stems from a deal reported earlier which auction house ebay buy about 1.5 billion stock. view uncertain regulatory environment surrounding gaming plans phase out business after transaction closes companies statement. who use will have ample opportunity find alternative solutions. provides cash settlement was minor player gambling industry but had flagged major area future growth bear stearns analyst jason ader. company's decision not become follows moves by string issuers including bank america fleet mbna and chase manhattan all they one biggest recent departures citibank controls 12 percent u.s. market also processing such transactions. legal issues coupled concerns that some cardholders might pay charges led many decide wasn't worth risk analysts said. status is still ambiguous united states jurisdictions generally treat casino-style illegal. exodus pare back its forecast an estimated 4.2 revenues 2003 previous much 5 billion. result probably reduce estimates another 10 ader this really confirms our belief cheerleaders are going end up being wrong given choice pursue legitimate rather than illegitimate. none casino domestic operational sites most reluctant enter arena fear jeopardizing licenses. among players mgm mirage bullish pursuing venture isle man off british coast. 5755 ev expected value. nt kx 5756 answer again. kx the ev is same if you wager total amount but as i said when using larger bets ll on average bet smaller amounts and thereby increasing your ev. lets say that wagering req. 1000. received a bonus of 100 game played has house advantage 1 keep 90 playing an extremely low variance where won t reach deposited before reaching 1000 wagered. play high sometimes win those times entire other lose quit having wagered full so less than let s 500. thus 95 bonus. higher... 5757 not entirely correct. kx really i thought the opposite would be true. intercasino just adds up unfulfilled requirements. some others like sands and think kiwi now have mandatory only one having req. is omni casino. officially or unofficailly stated group does it that if you cash out before meeting wagering haven t lost at least 50 of your initital deposit bonus ll risk getting anymore bonuses. this point rather academic though. large play requirments such as bonus's with 2500 are worth doing. read c's carefully can them then do so. don't bothered by fretting about cryptologic which a waste time. don agree. use until re allowed to anymore. doesn matter much when doing no wagering. either break even win. good bet undepending on similarly playtech casino's new york 100 5000 offer. absurd. they state any time playing single hand simplest course. get locked from these it's loss anyway. course in many instances bothering first place might best play. agree here either. prefer mgs 1200 day. recently helped friend casino mentioned we cashed 350. placed big bets were lucky. unlucky 100. 5758 another answer kx why would this approach not apply to casinos where you cannot cashout your deposit before completing the playthrough requirement because whole point of risking own money gets lost in those cases. if can avoiod it should never bet money... 5759 reply scarce s really i thought the opposite would be true. intercasino just adds up unfulfilled requirements. some others like sands and think kiwi now have mandatory kx only one having req. is omni casino. officially or unofficailly stated group does it that if you cash out before meeting wagering haven t lost at least 50 of your initital deposit bonus ll risk not getting anymore bonuses. this point rather academic though. large play requirments such as bonus's with 2500 are worth doing. read c's carefully can them then do so. don't bothered by fretting about cryptologic which a waste time. don agree. use until re allowed to anymore. doesn matter much when doing no wagering. either break even win. good bet undepending on was being facetious here. yes sure should try but eventually they will dry bother. may come sooner later depending circumstances. something 100 offer infinitely preferable 25 1500 . similarly playtech casino's new york 5000 offer. absurd. state any time playing single hand simplest course. get locked from these it's loss anyway. course in many instances bothering first place might best play. agree here either. prefer mgs 1200 day. recently helped friend casino mentioned we cashed 350. placed big bets were lucky. unlucky 100. again my biased view software believe pre-determined payout. certainly offers an attempt result modest fee charge for processing. suppose someone has nothing better than few hours possible payoff i'd wish luck. guess main there so wasters see very low priority me. around each month crypto except i'll them. won't lose sleep over thing me more recent announcement sites paying winnings paypal waiting cheque. 5760 i should have added scarce ..for some people unfamiliar with cryptologic wagering requirements are carried over each month. for example you decide to quit after 1500 of 2500 required having lost the bonus. next month owe that casino 1000 plus another 2500. this is why think these offers grow worthless time. 5761 finding casinos paranoidandroid i have been working with a good friend from gc to help me find that offer bonuses and fair games as far we can tell . it would be nice search engine or list somewhere offered pay-out structures. know this is practically free money but hate having my tied up for even just few weeks while waiting check arrive. there of out provide relatively quick payouts within 2-3 days the full cash-out amount via paypal tia 5762 alternative payment methods mr deviant now that paypal is doomed. what next 5763 nothing personal anononek but you are asking for a bit too much. there is downside to this endeavor. waiting payment one of them. although payments much faster now because paypal then they were year ago. on average the periods compared what ve been in past. 5764 bj not allowed coldsteel73 i think all the win or die promos of this type have seen so far for qualifying bonus -- any other game where you could bet your whole deposit on one hand. please let me know if i'm wrong about that in case. hey video poker is a better drinking anyway and wouldn't play promo sober. cold 5765 how many monthly losses can those cripto casinos withstand coldsteel73 do they pull the plug on a gambler eventually just wondering because it seems odd all would let themselves lose every single month for years end to same guy. ok play requirements are so high one tap out once in while but still. cold 5766 let me see.. scarce the sands has a 70 play 3000 offer on right now. how often do you think you'll tap out trying to win with those wagering requirments 50 of time 75 for some people 100 no there is free ride at most crypto sites anymore. in many cases i wouldn't even consider them ev situation only ones worth considering are intercasino and possibly omni 3 diamonds. 5767 slowest software ever bobby anyone played www.netcasino.com they have by far the i've seen and more than 100 . i can only play 2 hands per minute. a pretty good offer 200 bonus for buy in with 2400 playthrough but would never it if known how slow their is. dial up connection works fine everywhere else. at rtg 11-12 else this game 5768 prestige paddyboy arent most boss sites 10xb. austin have you tried theplayersroomcasino they are offering 100 for 100.going to play tommorrow and see what happens. 5769 you meant netgaming scarce www.netcasino.com will take to casino on net. are crooks and i'd advise anyone avoid them unless of course enjoy the risk playing at places such as bar. 5770 more scarce http www.casinogazette.com fastt elkasp.php3 will give second thoughts. you may also want to visit wol and thewizardofodds search for other's opinions. note netgaming is not www.netgamingcasino.com a rtg casino. 5771 omni is among the worst... kx i wouldn't even consider them a ev situation so you really crypto rigged beyond belief m not saying are wrong just surprised... best promotions at in this order my view inter sands wh 3diamonds 49er clearly worst since they and only won t let cash out before meeting wagering requirements. do offer some nice other though. 5772 still a good idea... kx there are several out paying relatively fast. for example all playtech casinos. i believe this is very important factor nowadays. when almost 100 casinos using identical mgs-software to me the most chosing among them their rep. and payment methods. if were start an online casino would surely offer fast payouts. pokerrooms can do it why t portal including those facts be valuable. 5773 and another reply... kx again this is my biased view of playtech software which i believe to have a pre-determined payout. there seem be several ppl out agreeing with you regarding playtech. me they are the clear favorite except boss . ve had results far above ev pay very fast. guess main point that so many better offers these time wasters as see them low priority for me. if get around each month crypto intercasino i'll do them. not won't lose any sleep over new player certainly true. thought like played all casinos clearly best way make money nowadays. one thing might play more recent announcement some sites now paying winnings paypal rather than waiting or cheque. know still only offer back accumulated deposits true winnings. wrong though. 5774 this differs i believe... kx know kiwi applies what you are saying but don t think for example inter or wh does. m not sure is recall experiencing. 5775 reply scarce i wouldn't even consider them a ev situation at least quote the entire sentence which began in many cases.. . take for example craapy place like safari. their offer is now 150 25 3000. that may be theoretically positive barely but who right mind would wish to test it so you really crypto rigged beyond belief m not saying are wrong just surprised... no prefer think of cryptologic as quite playable something such playtech expect best or worst -and usually worst. promotions this order my view inter sands wh 3diamonds 49er omni clearly among since they and only won t let cash out before meeting wagering requirements. do some nice other though. 3 diamonds same. mention occassionally 100 1200 offers. little wary those times however. 35 1500 waste time. william hill might decent. intercasino head-and-shoulders above rest reflected bottom line well-managed thriving while sites struggling. 5776 reply again scarce s this is my biased view of playtech software which i believe to have a pre-determined payout. there seem be several ppl out agreeing with you regarding playtech. me they are the clear favorite except boss . ve had results far above ev and pay very fast. their payouts adequate do like look software. feel it leaves much desired though. overall i'm up but i've never even single session where cards felt right was either win crazy or lose crazy. guess main point that so many better offers these time wasters as see them low priority for me. if get around each month crypto intercasino i'll them. not won't any sleep over new player certainly true. thought played all casinos clearly best way make money nowadays. saying complete opposite. may explore some useless at sands since 1999 don't bother anymore once he's done go on forget kx that's too bad. one thing might play more recent announcement sites now paying winnings paypal rather than waiting cheque. know still only offer back accumulated deposits true winnings. wrong few such casino sur kiwi. expect will soon. long overdue change offered hope compete. 5777 applies across the board nt scarce 5778 yes tried it and got hammered.... austin boy but cashin was in my paypal a few hours. hit an incredibly bad streak the last hundred dollars of wagers barely held on to deposit. software is pretty slow otherwise seemed like ok place - hope you even score for me 5779 another reply. kx i believe you are wrong regarding 3 diamonds. omni sent out an e-mail specifically stating this change in their t cs. have not received anything like that from check cyberspades if re searching for a really crappy promotion - 5780 you are correct. bobby i did mean netgaming.com. was able to win 100 more than the bonus so guess got very lucky but it painfully slow. we will see if they pay. didn't know place cheated am not surprised. thanks for info scarce bobby. 5781 icrystal software to be exact players advocate yes i crystal supplies the software. inc. is a public company. quick look at them stock last traded on otc 4 cents share tells you story. this company almost bankrupt. they do not have enough cash flow survive. red flags are all over one. rely heavily license royalty revenues. from their 10-k company's revenues dependent performance of master licensee's website. 40 site's net gaming go . loking for more financing keep afloat. telling investors that strongly encouraging licensees increase one main licnesees vpc video poker classic has several casino offerings golden balls lucky gate etc run with package. enticing people play offers nice bonuses. then when flip switch. group desperate and will use anything help short term needs. entire about under water. latest filing sec revels statement auditor incurred losses since inception stockholders deficit. these conditions raise substantial doubt its ability continue as going concern.' makes enron like great investment what wrong guys well probably management. experieneced team put together. it includes martial arts instructor former waiter manager tire center hair care executive. just mix talent needed succesful internet larry j. hrabi chairman board directors chief executive officer. mr. been director december 10 1998 officer 1998. also served wholly owned subsidiary august 17 1999. prior joining was president klein's centre private manufacturing he 1975. major shareholder cleanse-rite solutions. derek bodnarchuk member november 3 1999 july 2000. 591879 bc ltd. drive-through coffee kiosk established in october which operated celestial blends coffee. through january delrios restaurants. academy inner power 1997 june 1995 restaurant. henry rex hollett march past 44 years owner b h presently council district north cowichan british columbia canada where held title mayor years. fabrice l'heureux an but development 1 service contract entered into 4250 investments responsible design websites overall creative graphic graduated form laval university degree communications alias wavefront 3-d motion picture industry designed numerous art multi-media producer itv.net broadcaster based vancouver b.c. creator designer metrobingo acquired by stay far away guys. 5782 true anononek but conditions change quickly. still if someone wants to tackle such a project i won't complain - guess the point was trying make lost in my rambling post is that many places are paying much faster now then they have past. paypal reason. waits typically no longer than 1 2 weeks. year ago 3 weeks average wait for check and waiting 4 or more wasn't unusual. 5783 if you deposit say 1k instead of 30 40 70... coldsteel73 still get the bonus then no chance tapping out. lost in noise your big bets would be that small so maybe they all let themselves lose every month for years. have several k's sitting around doing nothing is. cold 5785 net gaming cheats bob fisher can you post more information that have regarding netgaming i deposited 200 to get their sign up bonus for a total of 400. flat bet 5 hand on blackjack and did very poorly. during the play even e-mailed them an analysis my results whereby concluded they cheat. never responded. didn't want any warnings until got paid. cashed out 55 loss 345 or 69 bets. played 439 hands not 480 because splits doubles count toward meeting gambling requirement. casino edge if game was honest about 0.25 . this means lost almost three standard deviations less than 500-1 shot. pay though. 5786 and now paypal is about to be no more. nt jerry richardson 5787 how do you know kx i m pretty sure ve cashed out winnings at wh when just meeting req. after months of not reaching play almost all crypt casinos every month. it s a bit amazing that so much about them without playing scarce. 5788 nice. kx if what you are saying is correct about winnings to pp this a very nice change. where do gain your money nowadays i get few valuable promotional offers for existing players. and no other casinos offer good monthly bonuses as far know grand virtual used but not anymore . 5789 reply ad nauseum scarce as i said previously my experience goes back three years with this software. a few ago was easy money. in the last year i've played less and less. some months only intercasino. you're mistaken about wagering requirments not being carried forward. 5790 there are too many to play scarce if you'd do as i suggested paddyboy you wouldn't be decrying the lack of opportunities out there. believe me still plenty. it's just a matter networking. 5791 i disagree . paranoidandroid while am still new to bonus hustling not online casinos. they started out with slow pay-outs and continue the same bs. from what can see have experienced most of casinos willingly accept paypal for payments but drag their feet on payouts. will only refund your initial deposit via then send you a check or wire remaining amount. if make full payment through why cant cash-out paypal. this is exactly made my inital post. 5792 you're sounding a bit paranoid to me pb. lol nt roywil 5793 paypal payments anononek i understand your concerns about having money on float for long periods of time. it is a problem. but there are number sites that make via winnings initial deposit . the sunny group one golden palace will do same stanley acropolis another microgaming pay usually you have to request payment this way and playtech paypal. boss take while starnet seem no set policy sometimes they pp don t course all be moot by end year. answer original question am not aware any site with comprehensive list how casinos take. contend such would quickly become obsolete unless webmaster was very diligent also in general much faster than now were past. we agree disagree subject. 5794 stanley acropolis easyrider has anyone had experience with sa it appears that the bonus deal is to first wager 6x deposit then they add 30 which you can cash-out. this an awkward format. verify 5795 a little more details... kx actually all playtech casinos pay winnings to paypal. also mgs-casinos that uses e-cash services as opposed proccyber . there are some mgs pays paypal too though. 5796 still wondering how you know. kx do know that this applies to all cryptos across the board if only play inter i ve played almost every month since 2 5 years. ll check when get home but m pretty sure re wrong about at least wh. 5797 which post are you refering to nt kx 5798 stanley apocalyps barker played sa recently play through 6000 and the bonus is added within hours then cashed out. received cheque 3 days later.incidentally e mails are replied to minutes. all in very professional set-up.good luck. bb. 5799 1k 10 rob mcgarvey best to dump that one k into 100 bonuses than waset it on a 70 bonus no 5800 yes exactly. scarce it's a stupid idea for camouflage which is next to useless and certainly pointless at cryptologic casinos. except in one instance by very casino safari i've never been hassled making the minimum deposit gain maximum bonus cashing out when meeting play requirements. 5801 actually scarce ..i was replying to barker and paddyboy the only one who seemed be interested. it titled more than way skin a cat . 5802 am i understanding you correctly. kx as understand your post are saying that by sharing info can find alot of new casinos. m very sceptical. usually use the softwareproviders own pages and from there visit all their clients. pretty sure ve done vast majority sign up bonuses out worth playing. but maybe talking about for existing players 5803 both scarce new offers that you may have overlooked or had not considered doing for one reason another such as skepticism over the software delay of payments etc and obviously existing players. point being this on your own wastes a lot time by combining efforts with other player's is infinitely more efficient provided course those requisite experience ability to sift through all stuff they also play lot. instance at moment i'm trying figure out how going about 20 in next three days. some will be sacrificed. i don't much sympathy who decry lack offers. here's an example grand hotel colosseum others group 50 offer paypal firepay neteller deposits where double bonus order cash out. that's 15 18 all. i've done half so far am up overall. blackjack permitted brush my vp. 5804 verified nt coldsteel73 5805 the good bad and ugly bone-us mango casino - had an excellent run of luck was paid full amount to paypal next day geisha lounge 2.1 standard deviations overall loss. thanks bonus offer i able come out ok. scary part that at a little over half way through play requirements loss 2.9 deviations. things looked pretty point expecting take big hit. 5806 not for long at sands bobby today i received a pertinent email from sands. they told me that in order to receive the 70 bonus next month either need play through full 3000 or lose half my deposit. have played these high playthrough requirement casinos and omni by betting 20-25 per hand hitting them big cashing out once lost all which usually happened very quickly although popped 500 couple of months ago . ok i'll admit this was agressive but figured crypto didn't care. apparently wrong. 5807 it's not like you guys weren't warned scarce read their terms http www.carsands.com html templates content.asp pid 160 10.any player who withdraws deposit which triggers the promotion to be credited account before they have met minimum wagering requirement will considered a bonus abuser. it sole discretion of casino manager as whether or said allowed continue receive future promotions. in such cases where has been removed from receiving promotions notified managers decision via email. 5808 bone-us how did you play superslots coldsteel73 i noticed that joint in your list yet it seems to be only slots not even vp. just curious. cold 5809 superslots bone-us actually i did not play superslots. have played at many of the casinos on my list. list was created by researching terms bonuses and determining which ones a bonus that appears fair does any gotcha's in terms. like stated message do allow blackjack to count towards requirements. well abviously it since they don't even basically saw no reason there based so made them down as offering 50 deposit with requirement 8x bonus. if you got return greater than 87.5 would come out ahead seems deal me. fact i'd call excellent we all playing slots much right - 5810 i will try to keep you apprised of my progress coldsteel73 as intend play all the joints on bone-us list sooner or later. except stuporslots. if get intoxicated enough who knows maybe i'll lucky 7 5-reel. hmm could their slots for one spin. ok that might be fun do sometime. being a relative term here. what great handle net gambler. cold 5811 microgaming software rigged wagerthru i know often these claims are usually denied but i'll just repeat my experience. after playing first two mg casinos broke even and cashed out the bonuses. next 8 or 9 lost bonuses occasionally deposit. what was particularly strange not result similar patterns of play. in all latter games got a pair tens much more rarely than any casino play experience dealer them often. every time received multi-card twenty-one bj. raised bet lost. although many will cite sd rigid unlike anything ever experienced seem to suggest something is going on. since nothing happened i'm guessing they have some mechanism for identifying relatively skilled players adjusting accordingly. input on this appreciated. 5812 ok kx yepp those offers are good and i m playing them too. in my experience for existing players pretty rare though... 5813 kinda tedious .. but made some mr deviant i looked for the slots with lowest top prize assuming that would give variance. mindlessly played a few minutes day as break from other sites was hitting. they paid quickly like places of eng. harbour group. 5814 i have suspicions about geisha lounge mr deviant custom software .. broke even after min. playthru ... not sure how many std deviations but seemed fishy to me. was playing minimum bet as well. 5815 it's an ongoing debate anononek many thing microgaming's bj is gaffed. my results have always been poor and are worse compared to the other major brands of online gaming software. but i'v not seen any evidence that offers proof. until one or a group us gather some data prove disprove this will continue rage on. it possible win with because bonus really besides point. real question whether game random. money says gaffed i no for what worth pattern's you've described similar i've experienced proves nothing. 5816 cytech software - as streaky rtg nt austin boy 5817 skilled players paddyboy i'm guessing they have some mechanism for identifying relatively and adjusting the software accordingly. good point you may caught on to something here.i would suggest that at your next micro should start off with big bets but play crazy like hitting 17s.then will realise are insane ease up then can cut back maybe 4 times usual bet not fear being ripped off. 5818 powerbet - stole my money stay away jm i would just like to warn everyone not deposit any with casino. they have recently intentionally stolen from account and are unwilling enter into dialogue regarding the matter. experience is as follows received a promotional e-mail addressed personally me real name in text of e-mail. decided play using code after checking terms conditions associated it. deposited played according conditions. at end was slightly ahead cash out. back paypal expected receive check for remainder. instead couple weeks later an accounts claiming on distribution list informing that value promotion previous had offered been debited account. despite forwarding details it ignored this fact continuing state list. stated will further correspondance this. took 8 days them respond initial enquiry. registered complaints rtg. warning dishonest poorly run liable steal your if you should win. hope prevents other players going through regards jm. 5819 rtg paddyboy sorry to hear about your problem.but i wouuld suggest stay away from rtg.they have good bonuses but that is the bait dont know if you are new or not try micorogaming first this what did and never looked back anyway anmy problems post here scarce kx will help as they done me must say am really grateful 5820 pulled the same theft on me. bobby i need to file a complaint with rtg also. proved them conclusively that they sent me email. just don't like winners--especially multiple winners. would much prefer tell i'm bonus abuser rather than lie. at least it be honest. could someone post link for complaints 5821 reply scarce tomb realtimegaming.com disputes i think the second one will work and most likely goes to same guy. 5822 no problems for me asap i've probobly done 30 or so mg deals and my results are pretty close to what one would expect. i flat bet do as low can still finish in a reasonable amount of time. you guys overbetting doing progressions deviating from basic strategy these things will cause more variance higher risk ruin. 5823 more scarce http players.realtimegaming.com 5824 thanks for the info--you are a real help on this board. nt bobby 5825 in my opinion... easyrider absolutely. however rigged software doesn't necessarily mean you'll lose every hand. belief is that the controls action just enough to maintain a consistently higher edge. long term results show about 2 edge or so for house making this highly unfavorable game real life but with 100 bonuses very playable. again no math backing these claims hours of play online at mg. i think if you go knowing you're up against worse odds can adjust bonus hunting strategy don't get caught short. make sure they let cash out deposit whenever. 5826 net gaming refund not a sucker i got suckered into playing at netgaming and lost my whole deposit bonus in no time using the same methods that havd had great success with microgaming cytech rtg oddson casinos. e-mailed them said was going to file complaint paypal they refunded 3 or 4 days. lucky guess 5827 thanks for helpful responses wagerthru i've played much less than others on this board about 10 mg casinos in all and my guess is that easyrider has the closest estimate to reality. obviously i have overbet trying cut down playing time. observation asap. 5828 online vs. real world bj wagerthru i have less experience than many on this board with but i've heard tout the game as superior to casino bj. don't really understand. in my admittedly limited betting minimum it takes roughly 2-2 1 2 hours of play nail bonus at an casino. add registration time and spent dealing support personnel works out 3 invested for a 100 or 50 bonus. convenience let's call 75. given ceiling 25 hour doesn't offer much better deal if i'm making mistake here hope someone can show me error ways. any responses appreciated. 5829 you are right. firestorm its one big hassle dealing with casinos who offer rigged games and sometimes steal your money. lucky to make 5 an hour. 5830 agree and keep in mind. real man we are paid cash on the spot have freedom to walk. it is foolish think online an easy ploy riches better than casino tables. i venture say that 99 of gamblers no counting experience or dont know how count when dealing with casinos. they rationalize their thoughts by preaching on-line fact very little about life as a card counter. 5831 it's called hush money nt scarce 5832 silliness nt scarce 5833 that's not the point scarce ..the real is that for majority of players especially those who frequent free pages their experience limited to red chip when they play at b m casino's. any profits derive from counting cards will be rather small even if they're successful perhaps 1-2 units per hour. see my other post potential online. 5835 online profits paddyboy to make 25 an hour onland you would need be a good counter with 10 000 bankroll.there will also huge losing streaks lose 1000 in one night is possible. small bankroll start off there no if pick the right terms.no travel expenses tipping annoying ploppies heat.and alright. but eventually run out of bonuses so playing way build br for onland. 5836 scarce anononek what's the point of trying to convince these people those that know truth don't won't be convinced. you continue argue this issue with and i really understand doing so. you're right many others right. leave it at please. 5837 netgaming anyone thatch listed in casinocashjourney's latest email is a casino called casino. they offer 100 match bonus up to 200. sounds good. but on their fact page mention software as being netgaming. i would appreciate any comments if anybody here has played or knows about it. it be program of own regards 5838 try scrolling down the page nt bill baggins 5839 no. look down this page. scarce it's elka systems a russian designed software which is among the worst on market both in terms of playing speed or lack thereof and dishonest manner it programmed. 5840 please... bill baggins ...take your high horse and ride out of here real man. come back pontificate when you know what are talking about. i suspect that if apply the same intellect to counting probably playing a negative ev game anyway. average about 10 times my hourly b m casino online without bankroll requirements swings. who is one with no experience here. not us. regards b. p.s. anonone k - apologise but this bait just too tempting take. 5841 well... thatch thanks for the info people. after my post i downloaded casino and ran own little test. did not find it slower than many mg sites. played five sets of 10 hands 50 in all. that's way play on net sites also. write balance each set to see 'drift' up or down. works me. helps me ride upward downward swings... a downer lower bet when already at minimum... with netgaming 5 per hand went so start 1000 992 20 975 30 957 40 945 927 was going unless there were 'rave revues' about here. all downswing is enough judge program but keep away. if interested called their montreal-based number squeeze some out them such as 50k you can an online now know russian behind it. check owncasino.com regards 5842 loss rate etc. jacobite so far my bj is just under 1 on about 20 mg plays. i do vary somewhat from basic strategy which may explain why it not lower. for those who want to know stand 16 v 10 and hit 12 4 . also take insurance most of the time. dont bet often since takes extra keystrokes lowers hands per hour too much. another interesting stat watch how many casinos 'zero out ' on. regardless software these include bigflashcasino bugsyonline lucky nugget allpokercasino vp play guess when you refuse more deposits zero biases your results somewhat. or does 5843 no apologies necessary anononek i really think these people are just trolls and if they aren t won take time to listen. ve all been saying essentially the same thing for last few years you ll be ripped off games fair potential ev is too low etc. whatever. hate see guys wasting on people. 5844 easyrider. got a couple questions for you. jerry richardson you say that the software play generally averages about 2 house which works out well in 100 bonus game. however must run into some closer to 5 and i suspect don't do as with them. this stuff bad luck swings etc is crock. such controlled by whether want call rigged bias skewed non-ev or what. would like worse way come up calculable stable per cent simple fair system online casino industry. know bounty hunters won't but it beat abuse cheating have been subjected of casinos who are supposedly gamers. think we need an non-bias regulatory commission control complaining manufacturer gaming web sites telling them cut off hand feeds further my opinion land if skill money. mind hustling bonuses probably make few bucks. crookedear 5845 list from bone-us jacobite i appreciate the and am starting to play some of them. will do a new post at top page with my suggested additions deletions. 5846 very good post scarce wagerthru i've always found your posts intelligent and well-informed but i still have some doubts about response here. first from my limited experience what read here on other sites large percentage-based bonuses are fairly in number. second 100 50 seem to constitute much the percentage of such online rewards. i'll assume both for length this post. find that get roughly 240 hands per hour at casinos which assuming best practice is wager as little possible translates into an hourly handle 600. requirements 5x 7x with latter more likely means wagering 1000 1400 a bonus. pace only slighly slower than yours 1 2 hours invested bonus not guaranteed. let's say average maybe 15 minutes added non-playing details like registration. slightly less already. no idea full will be won under these conditions optimistic it's 75 makes profit 37.50 hour. higher rate speed you'll making 46 halve those numbers when playing aside you mention honestly don't see how or anyone else can would happy convinced. many murky subject trails off mystery suggesting 'go out yourself'. players competition finite resource if so understand why explain you're able make amount. it real world casino unless i'm missing something play better option decently bankrolled player. may sound negative did appreciate throughtful response. clear up any misonceptions mine i'd hear you. 5847 re online profits wagerthru paddyboy thanks for your reply but i've been a good counter many years i play to bank larger than 10 000 and have lost more the 'huge' amount of 1000 in day times over years. agree with what you say those playing limited banks seems confirm that it's not possible make as much someone even middle-level bankroll can real world casino play. just myself if were equal prefer be looking at computer screen. best luck you. 5849 got a couple answers... easyrider you say that the software play generally averages about 2 for house which works out well in 100 bonus game. however must run into some closer to 5 and i suspect don't do as with them. right. like is roughly my average loss rate at mg. i've done better times also much worse but long term that's what expect. why favorable play-through terms are so important. this stuff bad luck swings etc crock. such controlled by whether want call rigged bias skewed non-ev or what. absolutely. half of these online casino guys crooks begin with. would make anyone believe they offer fair game heck most sites will take 4 weeks pay deposit took them 10 seconds receive process. fairness way come up calculable stable per cent simple system industry. noble pursuit intrinsically flawed. industry doesn't equity. it wants your money. if any one could entice players happily dumping tons cash hopeless carnival would. only have use serves gain repeat customers their think we need an non-bias regulatory commission control great idea good luck. truthfully played lasseter's supposedly monitored austrailian government it's probably close regulated you'll find. funny thing just microgaming site ever on. hey calculate payout odds state lottery shouldn't really surprise regulation license steal. further opinion land casinos skill mind hustling bonuses few bucks. was question um...yeah sure... agree. 5850 more pragmatic answer mr deviant there are many online players like myself that have fairly well paid 6 digits job that's not exactly close to any decent b m casinos. i playing bj .. offers me fun and few hundred week. 5851 basically you are right john may in my admittedly limited experience betting the minimum it takes roughly 2-2 1 2 hours of play to nail bonus at an online casino. add registration time and spent dealing with casino support personnel works out 3 invested for a 100 or 50 bonus. convenience let's call 75. given this ceiling 25 hour doesn't real world offer much better deal if have large bankroll can make more from terrestrial than one because profit is higher. however lowly bankrolled players makes sense there very little risk involved provided mostly reputable sites. addition having long losing period blackjack helpful mathematically psychologically almost guaranteed source income. incidentally many casinos higher bonuses those mention. also way money i'm not talking about counting. 5852 what other way besides... jethro counting or bonus 5853 thanks john wagerthru actually your posts on this subject were one of the reasons i took a serious look at online bj but you do seem to confirm my impressions. positive side it obviously offers much diminished volatility in return for somewhat reduced profits which is always psychological plus. since relucant discuss more profitable approaches won't press further. best luck. 5855 makes perfect sense nt wagerthru 5857 lasseters casino - you won't believe this cm lasseter's just paid me my winnings today in real mailbox. i cashed a little bitty 20.60. was shocked when they said charge 8.00 for sending check to your winnings. anyway should have gotten 12.60. amount 6.72. can that of it's supposed reputation would do something like hard time with it. glad it wasn't the hundreds or thousands. 5858 easy rider give a little insight into lasseters in couple answers below nt jerry richardson 5859 mm hmm.. scarce think about it. what currency is your cheque in did you play 5860 must confess was thinking the same thing. nt jerry richardson 5863 a little help please on diamond games playtech inet software. roywil anybody played these what was your experience what's their reps thanks bunch for help. 5864 larger bets. kx is my answer once again. i make more than 100 hour since the wagering time small. 5865 they are all rigged especially playtech nt spaghetti 5866 sounds like... john may the guy played in aussie dollars and they sent him money his native american currency which is worth about twice as much. me a cheque my gbp pounds so i'm guessing this what happened. 5867 had good luck skar i don't know whether they're rigged or not but playtech has been to me. haven't played diamond inet. 5868 i know what you mean.......... party boy aint a maths whiz but when see so many dealer bj's multicard 21's and 20's losing streaks think my record was 15 straight losses . gotta something just right with this game. own fault really should have quit realised the game iffy happens red mist descends. valuable lesson play absolute perfect bs your bankroll diminish into dust in next to no time. guess........... 5869 betting strategies anyone cm can tell me about a good strategy they have used that works in making profit this game of bj on the internet i been using up as win techniques with martingale's but doesn't always work. when dealer gets winning streak going and i'm busting alot or coming short couple points from his almost every hand. bs is great there has to be some way bet more efficiently make money. any ideas 5870 why were posts by myself and scarce in this thread busted nt wagerthru 5871 thanks for your response... roywil do you mind telling me what base all rigged comment on don't necessarily doubt just would like to know basis. i have been playing miami beach playtech a couple of days and doing well so far . not--again far--seen some the dubious play when bump bet as did other softwarw. help. 5872 single deck shuffle-after-every-hand question. roywil when the dealer shuffles after every hand is there any advantage to playing how would bs chart look under these conditions different thanks 5873 there's no such thing anononek as a winning betting strategy. please don't try to discuss this on page full of card counters. you are bucking the house odds matter how bet or what size bet. bonus is gives an edge. 5874 did it occur to you bugfoot the reason of 1 could be from deviation basic strategy. can bet that most software is probably designed attack therfore had played correct bs your losses very well been much higher not lower . 5876 horsehockey cm that's not true. i have done it time and again betting up as you lose with a limit. best of luck to but there's no such thing. is horsehockey. thanks anyway. 5877 oh brother... rimmer you just said that your betting strategy fails when the dealer gets on a streak then tell anononek progressions work considering most online casinos have 200 max bet limit there is very little chance any martingale will be effective. if starting 1. house would only to win 8 hands in row before you're sunk. probability of bj says an losses occur about once every 300 hands. average can pump out per hour online...as result are losing 255 and half meaning need astonishing 85 1 bets make up for this expected downfall couple hours. keep looking but realize simply adding negative expectation expectation...there no way physical world could positive. 5878 cm this is the wrong page for discussion pb4 there a discussions of betting strategies. it's called progressions . you will find an audience there. 5879 thanks rimmer nt cm 5880 answer. kx the bs-charts are designed for a newly shuffled set of cards. card counters then modify chart depending on count. so stays same. there is still small advantage with single deck and that you get more information about what cards to expect. simple example if 3 aces table it s only 1 49 chance getting another ace in game while 21 309 six game. from start had 13 both games. as can see probability changes much thus have regarding composition remaining there. 5881 no need to get upset... kx ofcourse there s such thing as a way of increasing ev by changing betting strategy assuming you are not counting cards . but turn it around... harm in having strategies. if one likes them use won t affect negatively anyhow... when playing bonuses and being allowed cash original deposit before meeting wag. req. that increases your average winnings considering playingtime cost is place low bets have large wagering left do or balance then increase safe 5882 playtech is very good. kx i think the second best software out there boss media being clear leader . good looking and promotions are allowed to cash deposit before meeting wagering req. fast processing paypal. ve played them all recommended friends. we have had results. 5883 forgot about the others... kx i ve only played diamond once and won t do it again. was slaughetered bonuses suck big time usually sticky . have no experience of inet. which casinos use not even listed at wol. 5884 sounds great jack schwartz scarce- i agree let's save each other wasted time and money by sharing info. i've been playing bonuses for 8 months now have done well. you seem to really a grip on how make from these places. e-mail me if want share some insights. - p.s.- reviewed many of your posts the past few but didn't see opinion about software fairness with exception criticism playtech. what do think mg rtg cytech crypto bm as their bj games results using any brands made that cards are non-random 5885 you might want to try this too... kx the rtg marketing manager is interested in hearing your experiences. he recently showed up at wol thread http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 005019.html make a posting about 5886 referral money nt mrdeviant 5887 go see the wizard. link below..... austin boy 5888 not necessarily pb4 jacobite while no betting strategy progression will change long run ev it can impact when and how this result is achieved i.e the timing of recognition wins losses example take a bj bet. if you bet unit your win prob about 48 iff are prepared to double up chances .73 one more time then probability winning approximately .86 now before go ballistic consider where info comes from. would believe stanford wong read page 15 his tournament blackjack. there may be some relevance for tactic in on line gaming situations. think sticky bonuses. 5889 sd with one round anonny is only beatable if the rules are good enough to give house no advantage off top at all or even afford bs player a fractional and you can play last seat full table use what cards have seen modify your playing strategy from basic strategy. edge under these conditions would make game hardly worthwhile unless bet was quite large. 5890 agree pb4 but it's readily apparent from cm's posts that he isn't even close to any of those issues. thinks a betting scheme will overcome the house edge sans bonus etc. progression page is where belongs. 5891 playthick spaghetti have played at all except usa casino and only cashed in my deposit half the bonus club dice.have lost rest.i usually do quite well start but then with about 1 4 way to go get fleeced. i think scarce feels are suspect aswell anyway their reqs ludicrious.new york 25x d b a search you will see other bad comments them for kx. 5892 thanks kx. terrific info. nt roywil 5893 they are telling you correctly guess who i also play an up as lose progression. it may do some things for me but won't change what win lose. how tend to have smaller more numerous winning sessions this way. larger losing when occur. like faster the dealer is hot. balances out. its bonus my friend. not play. 5894 wagering req doesn t matter much... kx when you are allowed to withdraw deposit before meeting req. i much prefer usa nys of 5000 a normal mgs one 1200 without possibility cashing in before. ve personally cashed out d 2 4 b several times plus friends that have recomended experienced the same thing. most luck at ny... way go is place big bets. either unlucky and down initial fast cash or get winnings. since playtech case no risk would play them even if someone proved their games rigged which don believe . 5895 rigged bonus ok spaghetti so you are saying that if it is definetly but can withdraw your deposit at anytime then thats ok.well this daft. the kind of attitude lets some dodgy casinos get away with such dishonest behaviour. they think to cheat because we offer 100 bonus. means casinobars cheating what lose still cashin dep sorry an insult all people who have been robbed wiz and dan provonost i suppose their work a waste time you.it also basic human honesty. industry will never be cleaned up as long selfish players like around. 5896 listen up kid. kx i have never said it s ok to cheat. definetely isn t. would play there. that a huge difference. bonus abuse them and take their money. be loyal the good casinos out there f others as far know you can not cash your deposit before meeting wagering req. at casino bar but if could surely go some money from too... industry will clean when ppl see earn lose. stop think post next comment. 5897 cheating spaghetti a place like casinobar should be completely ignored you can cashin the dep before meeting reqs i suppose now will go along and try to abuse them.all online platers stand together boycott this.but are only concerned about own pocket penny pincher 5898 1 deck paddyboy the wiz has comp dependant plays for s17 and h17 but i think he is missing a few such as 4 v 7 8 9 or 10 you stand.go to qfit.com look close call calculator if want be more exact. also boss actaully have best rules 1d doa das they check hole card bjs which micro dont gives bs player an advantage of about .1 . so theoretically only play rest your life then should make profit 5899 beware reef club sister of con paul02085 as solid a casino is be aware that their new the black sheep cassava family. if you sign up and get bonus play according to t c's they reserve right take your back upon cashout. supposed manager has posted this in his own words on wol. way dealing with hunters so win here expect it taken from when also denied any ties even though had popup link them webpage removed after wol thread started apparently share same banking. mark rep cassave too imo. 5901 you still don t understand do kx all online players should stand together and take money from places like casino bar while giving that is playing wo bonuses to the good places. if me stop they will increase their profits start up new casinos maybe s what want a business losing won stay for long more ppl abusing faster we get rid of them. are just talking your own experience. being loser ofcourse not support bar. give them... 5902 spaghetti bollocksnese paddyboy i would have no qualms about playing a rigged casino if can cashin anytime.i didnt start online gambling to clean up the industry .i want make money off all casinos dishonest or not. so get your soapbox and real. 5907 are you playing to win....... sa or not lose that prefer a no-risk playtech 100 5000 risk mg 1200 seems suggest the latter. yes i know makes it impossible but for almost win. imo these types of places just wastes time could be spending with better ev offers such as an 1200. then has always been kind me. 5908 can everybody list the guys who offers monthly cash nt ali baba 5909 honesty in the highroller bonus sites ali baba like blackwidow crazyvegas etc any more you guys know of which gives big bonuses and safety 5910 depends on what you consider big. kx black jack ballroom and some other mgs offer 40 up to 400. i would those casinos safe ones even if don t trust bj. 5911 play to win... kx are you playing win or not lose actually my tactic is also a of gaining large winnings. since i have the insurance risking losing at playtech can high variance game and therefor stand better chance winning big. means that ev isn t low as average total amount wagered won be much bigger than 1200 place. makes fast so in fact waste more time mgs place considering relation spent . 5912 big is 50million and over nt ali baba 5915 if i fund an account using paypal and get rip off by casino ali baba is it possible to do a chargeback 5916 not really... rimmer they give you a run-around but never actually get your money back. however can do chargeback if are ripped off at an online auction site and pay by paypal. shows where gamblers rank with them... 5917 roxy palace mr deviant micrograming site with 100 bonus. anyone played them are they affliated any other known sites 5918 yes did fine. don't know. nt asap 5919 slow fast pay mr deviant i've been waiting longer than normal ... 5921 who else besides bj ballroom anon78 i played there when they had a lower initial signup bonus but if are other 400 places i'd like to hear about them. tia 5923 fast asap when i requested my payment it was very quick. call cs and talk to them if you have waited an inordinate amount of time. 5924 roxy caution thatch playing bj will not count for the bonus' t c's. regards 5925 i managed to get lots of no deposit free 10 but ali baba what is the strategy play them since you have it up 60 before cashout. tried use martingale failed then used maximum aggression never went past 10. 5926 las palmas uses inet or so i am informed. nt roywil 5927 troll nt mr deviant 5928 i think this was recent change mr deviant wtf always read t c ... dont remember bj listed in excluded games but it is now. asap did you play 5929 mastercard po'boy i guess mc won't let me use the card for certain casinos. spoke with a representative and she said it has to do where casinos are based. but this person didn't know which would be allowed wouldn't. any suggestions 5930 i played roxy paid no prob nt jacobite 5931 grand royal-play at your peril jacobite this is a new one in the ruby dragon family. i suggest that you do not play there until stops stiffing their players. btw casinoextreme and casinoheat are same need say more 5932 which other casino uses the same software as geisha lounge grandaces etc kyl bill with good bonuses. i'm looking for all of them. 5933 i'd keep away from geisha...... party boy they are bad medicine. take a look at www.thewizardoftheodds.com for cytech software casinos. 5934 why does action requirements differ all the time kyl bill how much is normal these days i read on thegamingclubs website that it's 3 then soewhere it says 5 bonus now cashier emailed me to tell 8 purchase there something wrong 5935 what's wrong with the ruby dragon family peter are their random number generators not so i would stay away from likes of flamingoclub and grandonline etc family. they give you a 200 bonus but cannot cash it out what hell is point then 5936 what's up with virtual casino nt not a sucker 5937 there are differences scarce shackleford's opinions mainly based on the business pracices of golden palace two years ago when they literally stole thousands from players perceived to be bonus abusers in fact coined that term . since then they've reformed and generally regarded with wary acceptance by online gambling community. group 20 or so casino's not any way associated geisha lounge grand aces though do use same software. aspinalls also uses software as a land-based gaming corporation well have one better reputations among casino's. itself seems fair been no real disageements it other than streaky at times. correct links below omit second http www.thewizardofodds.com game golpalstatement.html review_cytech.html 5938 you can not cash any money out is the problem nt jacobite 5939 geisha lounge ok jocobite i played them 2 weeks ago and had no trouble getting paid. 5940 use e-cash jacobite i do not like the idea of giving my cc number to these casinos so deal exclusively thru outfits paypal and firepay. you can hook your card up either them believe. 5941 if you have any doubts jacobite about the terms and conditions to earn bonus cashin our balance then e-mail casino ask for confirmation before play. 5942 well at least tell us what your problem is nt jacobite 5943 keep a screenshot of the terms when you deposit as well nt scarce 5944 monthly cash bob fisher sands 70 3000 omni 150 50 1500 william hill 40 1200 intercasino 80 960 queen's club 100 400 kiwi 25 cherry 30 910 casino.net 250 2750 weekly casinio domain fiesta captain cook's 20 420 format name deposit bonus wager may give 2 bonuses a month. and casino double bonus. 5945 no problem yet not a sucker took good chunk of cash from them on their 200 match bonus. got paid through paypal in about 6 or 7 days. then they offered me 100 bonus and very positive deviation- almost amazing. decided to play little slot machine action top-lined one so i have couple sized payouts coming seem be dragging feet now. how would you handle it patient should 5946 virtual caution thatch the bonuses are 75 sticky. so a scooped bonus of 200 is worth only 50 that you can cash out. then try and make remaining into something bigger by way progression if wish. i played them twice. easywinnings partycity. respectively two three weeks ago with neteller paypal. won at both. no return original deposit or any progress all. started my 'call-a-day' routine being shuffled from denzeil to angelica. am getting annoyed as well suspicious. under facade many so-called casinos. justwinit another think of. info updates will be much appreciated. regards 5947 queen's club requires more wagering dancali this is on the site should you wish to claim a bonus and deposit combined must be wagered at least 7 times before withdrawal permitted. that comes out about 1000 for 40 bonus. 5948 i didn't get pay there kyl bill they owe me cash but kept on asking to fax my credit card and id which have done so 3 times. told them about thayt no responses. now just wrote it off. 5949 no cashout kyl bill is that true i just spent hours downloading the software from grandonline and flamingo. why would they not or an exception 5950 any problems with ny vegaslobby 777dragon rivernile nt kyl bill 5951 what about betmax.com nt kyl bill 5952 who uses the same software as rivernile goldenriviera nt kyl bill 5953 ok so who is in the same group with geisha and aces goldenpalace not. nt kyl bill 5954 weird geisha i praised the guys and won 3std not lost a bet nt kyl bill 5955 gsisha say will refund my mastercard thought don't do reversals nt kyl bill 5956 what scarce grand online and flamingo are part of the golden palace fleet casino's. why would you be spending hours downloading royal is a new rtg casino which presumably will extreme-casino heat-ruby dragon line. jacobite was being somewhat facetious but this group notoriously bad. 5957 learn to use the search feature at top of page nt scarce 5958 what does this disclaimer mean kyl bill all play bonus credits are for wagering purposes only. no cash-in will be honored an amount less than the bonus. upon your first regardless of number deposits any up to equivalent value deducted from balance or winnings prior settlement. wagered deposit s rather found on grandonline site 5959 it means you cant cash out the bonus peter i got nailed at both flamingo and aspinalls. of these they give a 200 but cannot flamingos lost anyway so did not know. aspinalls put down 100 had bad run went to 50 or so. then somehow managed claw my way back 201 believing that disclaimer meant can only an amount equal more than imagine surprise when 1 take off. was cheeky them do - there is no point in world claiming must have known their ambiguous. course don't option reverse cash-in within 24 hours 5960 read the terms and then.... bill baggins ..... terms. these are not ambiguous. regards b. 5961 from what i can gather... jerry richardson the danish way to stop advantage players. crookedear 5962 too many nt postings jerry richardson i think of you will agree that we are beginning to get non-content postings. all looking for helpful information instead with meaningful content. in my opinion it reflects a bit laziness or substitute salutation due the lack an email address addressee. much like fwd without having worry about virus attachment. 5963 it means don't play there nt mr deviant 5964 greedyways damiandunlap greedyways.com offers monthly cash also william hill does 5965 so now you're the page monitor nt monkey boy 5966 have a few hundred dollars in................ barker grand bay and now realise b j does'nt qualify yes i know should noticed in t cs. however as is the only game apart from other non-qualifying games could someone possibly suggest my best to play strategy please.thanks. bb. 5967 sicbo big little bets have vig of 2.78 against you nt guess who 5970 sometimes... jacobite ..the subject line itself carries a complete and succinct response to prior post. it saves both the writer reader time. now just fior you i am going post list of casinos won't play or discuss for various reasons. naturally expect reciprocation after your comments 5971 casinos i wont play-july 24th 02 jacobite here is a list for what it worth. mens vagas minivegas oriental casino casinobar riverboat womensvegas omni powerbet vegas slot rubydragon lucky emperor goodfellow crazy fortune miami beach yachting montecasino aeroplayer virtualcasino vegascountrycasino blackrhinocasino that still leaves several hundred more to explore. 5972 i agree completely nt paddyboy 5973 hypocrite spaghetti what about your posts on 18th july 3rd and 28th june 5974 nt paddyboy 5975 would love to read your experience and reasons... roywil for avoiding the casinos you mentioned. i have worked these omni killed me. i'll not be back. fishy. crazy vegas actually did very well. 'til bumped my bets big time. but that's another story. bj does count as wager requirement. they paid right away tho altho question amounts . typical mg format. won't casino fortune am working on it now. doing quite up about 4 x deposit bonus. really like playtech's cards--easy eyes less likely make a mistake so far good. miami beach. pretty off away. bad taste in mouth tho. don't know if there again. add black widow. now why it's called that. stung me before could even get bonus playing minis. visiting that b ch again anytime soon. please help us out with reasons impressions. thanks. 5976 most of these jacobite are there because warnings i have received from other players. some picked off web sites that warn about cheating casinos. gaffed software and difficulties in collecting. a couple outrageous terms or ridiculous bonuses playthrough. only few burned on personally. ignored posts say effect lost...so they must cheated me. hope am not so greedy to take chance casino has question mark. areas said literally hundreds others many with positive feedback posted this just provide info those who perhaps wont do much research themselves before select casino. more comments casinos course welcome. 5977 hmmm... kx omni casino i regard this as one of the best casinos out there. why do you dislike them like all crypto can be sure getting paid. vegas slot and country part probably largest microgaming group all. if those assume also floridita grand hotel old samurai royal plaza colosseum venice. my opinion is that are among mgs very quick payments winnings to paypal. they on your list crazy reputable mgs-casino. it fortune miami beach sunny group. serious operators playtech would kill for keeping. yachting aeroplayer tried liked it. know little about ones though ve been thinking trying others in interested hearing blacklist those. 5978 they are very good promotions... kx just learn how to use them. you get a free loan. make large bets so risk the money loaned and don t need payback if lose. easy example. assume game where have 50 chance of winning. bet your whole 150. either win end up with bankroll 300. then ve made profit otherwise lose ll lost 50. 0 5 150-0 this in fact approximately equal 100 bonuses small wagering req. 5979 thanks. wish more would share their pros and cons roywil now maybe you be kind enough to with us the casinos favor have good feedback or experience. thanks 5980 lucky emperor was ok for me. nt asap 5981 try jacks or better wild deuces ... easyrider if either is offered and counts toward play requirements. depending on the payout structure this can be a near even-sum game variance high however . look wizard of odds page for strategy tables. http www.thewizardofodds.com good cards -easy 5982 video poker paddyboy as some vpoker games give a return of over 100 is it possible to make profit online in the long run. lot sites seem be excluding bj from wagering reqs these days 5983 hypocrite i don't think so. jerry richardson three nt 's in weeks two response to a meaningful comment and one acknowledge good by particular poster is not misuse of subject posting. if you take the time notice that are 6 rather uninformative postings prior my posting following paddy boy's multiple should be able understand why made comment. 5984 i read your list and must admit..... jerry richardson have not played most of them. agree about casino fortune its sister mapau both which are part the sunny group. tried them because 1 minimum bet. unfortunately 25 20 bonuses killers. guess ruby dragon group pretty bad bar is known to be crooked. thanks crookedear 5985 still waiting for your comments jacobite... nt kx 5986 contradicted yourself spaghetti you said from your high horse in my opinion it reflects a bit of laziness or substitute for salutation due to the lack an email address addressee. so what are saying is that nt s informative but everyone elses notand they lazy cant see being silly here 5987 terrible results yachting casino group jack schwartz i took this up on a 100 matching bonus and got crushed at the blackjack game over 2sd negative . has anyone played or it's sister casinos heard about their reputation software b3w seychelles islands www.yachting-casino.com monte www.montecasino.com aero player www.aeroplayer.com ironically they provide an easy-to-access record of bets results. here are my playing 5 hand blackjack. lost initial buyin before reaching minimum wagering requirement had to additional 150. wagers column includes doubles splits rounds return winnings ratio 386 2 230.00 1 955.00 -275.00 -12.33 rules bj should give reasonable house edge under 0.5 4d double any das split 1x only stand soft 17 hit aces dealer does not check for 10-up possibly 21 ties anyhow as noticed that was busting with stiffs normal frequency he nailing 20 very often. if good these might consider were freak event. recommend everyone avoid casinos. - 5988 anybody know th3 house advantage at playtech casinos nt roywil 5989 anyone else play this weeks main street promos bill baggins just wondering. wanting to hear a positive experience as i am still reeling from the killing underwent. regards b. 5990 twin aces any problems nt kyl bill 5991 got to agree with posts made by jerry richardson and scarce below here bill baggins can't anyone formulate a proper question anymore or use the search function on this page there is wealth of information archived here. people will be more inclined post informative responses if topics either have not been covered before poster takes time appeal readers board in than 4 words. has posted very good reviews rtg casinos past. twin aces part main street vegas group along las usa casino online. my own experience them at present that their customer support responds quickly they pay likewise. however i killed blacjack one occasion see . draw your conclusions. learn function. type four these may prove useful life skills. regards b. 5992 twin aces murray i played them in may 2002 blackjack 10 avg. bet. 100 out 442 cashed 5 19. received to paypal 25 rec'd 342 winnings 31. no complaints here. 5993 chartwell technologies casinos offline anyone familiar with software tia 5994 lifeskills kyl bill draw your own conclusions. learn to use the search function. type more than four words. these may prove be useful life skills. i have no 5995 go on you can make it five words bill baggins try i have got no life regards b. 5996 same compluter other name ricardo hi all i am a newbee to this business and have question. if question was already discussed then please refer me the right places. suppose that use my own computer login an online site but with identity of friend mine. new partner course . will they know their software got one bonus in or not do first uninstall maybe even does help as writes stamp registry part thanks advance 5997 problems with portofino paddyboy anyone had them ie slow pay i have been waiting quite a while for my money. 5998 a surefire way to get barred scarce protect themselves each casino will record your computer's sid as well ip address. they also plant cookies on machine means of identifying computer. playing the same computer is one more obvious ways can spot you. obviously this considered fraudulent behavior. if you continue doing so bonus hunting days be very short. why not spend few dollars and buy another they're dirt cheap. 5999 o.k. thanks but.. ricardo if this is so simple then what happen the casino form same software say mg recognizes its twin do share knowlege about players who took bonueses for example can proc cyber services see too many checks of 200 -300 going to person and address from different casinos will ring a bell also you guys use login name password all your playes 6000 warning onlywinnerscom. the money is gone... ricardo i purchased 100 in onlywinners.com from my paypal account. gone form but does not show up casino. emailed them many times. no reply yet. tried to call lady said that they are working with onlywinners any more. post this episode here for two reasons 1 warn everyone else going there. 2 asking advice. what should do 6001 answer otter no. 6002 call paypal kyl bill ask them reverse your the transaction back into account if casino has not received it. 6003 winnersplay and digitalbetting are f kyl bill or not before i get rip off want to know you guys experience with them. first response this question gets 50 match bonus. retards 6004 he at playtech paddyboy last update june 1 2002 offers downloadable casino software. the graphics are very good and interface is easy to understand. both multi-player single player supported. separate accounts available for real play money. multi-play feature in fun money mode. following games with specific rules comments. baccarat standard followed. i do not know number of decks. blackjack as follows 6 decks dealer stands on soft 17 may double any first two cards after splitting only split once loses original bet if has ten showing. ace showing gets then will lose total amount including additional by doubling or spliting. no surrender otherwise house edge under these 0.47 . correct basic strategy rules. from wiz strange rule hole card.so you dont against an a chart which also says 8 v 10 but why would email him. 6005 how much is the promo nt kyl bill 6006 5 to 10 times play through too much hustle mp nt alex daubenmire 6007 about 3 or 4 monkey boy the game is almost certainly rigged. let us know how bad it whoops your ass and i'm not being a smart . 6008 if not for a royal asap i would be down in my on-line vp play which only do bj is excluded. job 9 6 has return of 99 but seems to keep more the bonus. 6009 paid in 13 to 14 days nt bone-us 6010 twin aces woody got to 6x on 150. 6011 ok here you go... roywil i know it is taboo to specify winnings losings on these boards but what the hell... miami beach in 50 30 bonus out 259.50 casino fortune 283.50 black widow lost and deposit after being up nicely. got greedy. mapau ditto so can't complain. if had played smarter better discipline would have done well all 4. now that pd informs me house advantage .43 or doubt i'll be back. 6012 thanks pb. roywil just what i needed to know. but was told by the customer support folks that some playtech casinos ones played were one deck with single player. not true wow don't like house edge much. if you are right doubt i'll go back for more bj. sounds dodged a bullet. where did find wiz chart mentioned could any info except casino names re and how play it. have say love format. very fast big cards good records. also decent bonuses. got paid. too bad about edge. much obliged pb 6013 payment paddyboy was that through paypal or by mail 6014 playtech paddyboy click on review the wiz homepage. i wouldnt be too concerned about he as you will only playing short term anyway bonus counteract that. .47 is not really bad.out of every 1000 bet should expect to lose 4.70 but then again this online bj so going by percentages doesnt matter when evaluating games. look for good bonuses and especially signups where can cashin your initial deposit at any time basically do what want these with no fear losing deposit. am try usa casino today also have experience video poker was thinking trying it blackjackballroom cant play 6015 thank you for posting this guess who we need to all post warning of type behavior. thanks taking the time. 6016 sport betting joseph pereira is there an online casino that allows s trustworthy and uses paypal -thanks 6017 good as gold casino paddyboy anyone played these latelt thety offer 200 for 15x d b . can cashin init dep anytime. igw software i have never heard of them.are they to be trusted 6018 good as gold murray paddyboy - can't help much here but i got them off opa approved casinos list. played early july lost d b quickly.i was playing around 20 per hand so really only bets. luck. 6019 i got 1000 bucks. an online newbie i'm going to take a shot at on-line and need find out for myself if it's as easy taking candy from baby where do start quit my job will settle making average of only about 40 hour. know there are gamblers who say the make 100 or more hour but would much less because hear getting greedy get you in trouble. 6020 paypal question kyl bill if i add funds to my account using a registered credit card does it count as purchase or cash advance 6021 stay away from them johndoe21 i signed up and played both but when it was time to collect my bonus for winnersplay they credited digital betting account. later on got an email offer another betting. looked closely at the small print said make sure you input four letter code given in section where a five code. seems like these people don't have their act together are no good... there better fish sea so this one unless want get eaten by shark 6022 dealer 10 cards peter i am finding my play at homebets.com rather suspicious. what is the likelihood of drawing a as second card 23 times out 25 no misprint obviously can't say for sure casino cheating but it quite uncanny how almost every single hand had 10. site also painfully slow - does anyone else use 6023 what if erased my computer's memory johndoe21 what's sid also instead of buying a new computer would they still recognize the same i formatted 6024 good as gold bill baggins part of the vip group along with casino wssb players room blackjack and a couple others. customer support fast payouts within hours . i have played there recently. would check terms on this one don't think you can withdraw initial deposit before wagering requirements are met. make withdrawal but state that bonus amount will be removed. means if try to cash out 200 they remove therefore leaving zilch. is how interpreted didn't verify support. maybe should depositing. regarding bj made large profit at got cleaned small losing most gold. very streaky. that's all say. let's hope it streaks in your favour. regards b. 6025 make that now 28 out of 32. peter the first card dealer draws is held face down. second one he has had 32 being a 10 card. unbelievable. just as i start to double my bets too. 6026 i had very good luck at goodasgold peter put down 200 got and cashed out 787. managed to cash the bonus. it was one of those games where just felt too easy. in contrast am finding homebets.com a nightmare. 6027 good luck bill baggins you quit your job a brave man woman. i've got more than 1k but i'm not giving up the day job. i suppose it depends what is though. try archived posts for recommendations. 1000 will get nice bonus to start with at con don't know eat while waiting 5 business days cash in be processed. regards b. 6028 reply scarce your security identification number which was generated the first time windows loaded. it's my understanding that simply reformatting and reloading software won't change anything. unless you make a fundamental with system such as changing motherboard or harddrive you'll have same sid. i don't understand reluctance buying another computer. if cost is onerous to then perhaps this not line of work. 6029 need recommendation please nick i am looking for a good reputable online casino at which can deposit using paypal play some blackjack and get decent bonus. also would like to be able withdraw in timely manner when the time is right. appreciate all responses. thank you. 6030 thanks again pb. good advice. roywil found wizard's playtech review. don't know how i missed it before. guess was damn lucky to do pretty well on playtech---considering using a one deck chart ...but then this is online bj so going by percentages doesn't really matter when evaluating games.... interesting. educate me bit and explain further please. have not very many casinos where you can cashout your deposit anytime. save some serious hunting let whch ones allow that if would. checked out usa they what seemed high wager req. again...what look for in general why does appeal specifically luck sorry only game anything about bj. never even played of poker or sat at slot more tham 10 minutes. am one-game-guy guess. any help. always enjoy benefit from posts agree . 6031 gag terms paddyboy you must wager the total amount deposited purchase promotional bonus 15 times before cashing-in of will be allowed. any cashin request initial deposit and is wagered result in being removed. so can cash bonus.and dep if lose bonus. looks pretty good. 6032 i don't interpret it the same way jack schwartz my interpretation of requirements is that you cannot cashin your buyin until have met entire wagering requirements. remove bonus probably means subtract 200 from balance . if for get a and lose before finish requirement will 0 cashout since they balance. not correct to assume first final buyin. two amounts are combined into single 400. 6033 how about ip address jack schwartz scarce do you know for a fact that the casinos can track based on your computer's sid number even after re-formatting hard-drive has this happened to or someone of i agree buying cheap computer is worth it but would be nice avoid cost and hassle if it's not necessary. buy new use same cable modem will my traceable due using isp thanks advice - 6034 they cheat like mad..... sa ... and aren't even subtle about it. i played over a thousand hands here as cut back to 2 bets after starting seeing this sort of crap. managed walk with part my deposit. if was betting what normally bet then would have gone bust five times over. or so the dealer got 10 many bjs did. furthermore when doubling down on 11 ended up total 17 greater only 1 out times. kid you not. one worst overall online experiences ever. stay away 6035 i eat well. online newbie i'm real estate investor who has decided to sit back and enjoy life. believe me can afford prime rib for the rest of my life if choose do so. you misread post this is not last 1000. it nothing but a one time shot see winning money as easy everybody says long stay with honest casinos. was hoping get better answer question which average 40 an hour should invest 1000 on con or split up bank how much expect take off before they continiously win at modest rate 6036 again too many dealer 10s peter i stopped last nite after losing 85 of my hands. started this morning and same thing - almost always starts with a 10 all as soon bumped bets from 5 to 10. guess i'll have go down 2 bet just keep going till can possibly get out some deposit now cash original before doing the required wagering rules dont say. 6037 3 times in a row now i get 15 dealer gets 10. peter does anyone know if this presumably new casino audited at all. 6038 who is they told you it was easy nt kyl bill 6039 twas a joke me thinks bill baggins again my humour fails in the public arena. oh well. try recent thread between scarce and wagerthru i think re profitability of online play hourly potential. con is one off deal as are most sign up bonuses. you weren't thinking counting were go for low playthrough places first. would start with first it nice to cert. will also have more bank at 100 match afterwards. your decision though. hope this was helpful that enjoy prime rib although i'm not quite sure what being brit - we prefer encephelopathy . regards b. 6040 mine were treated as a purchase nt jethro 6041 i wonder how homebets survives their 30 re-load bonus coldsteel73 didn't lose much on sign-up but if they use an honest game. based the above reports perhaps will decline to find out. cold 6042 paypal both times nt bone-us 6043 you have not heard the news online newbie it's a very simple process. basicly find good honest casinos that offer bonuses play basic strategy untill terms and conditions are reached then cash out your winnings. sounds easy to me no 6044 i found the right place. online newbie gathered some info at winners today. very interesting but depressing thread going on started by dirk. there is also another read that giving con a bad reputation about puppet casinos they use. these posters all seem truthfully honest their experiences and make serious comments issues being discussed. suggest visiting this site will be helpful to you. thanks for advice due recent press over unfair softwarwe used today think best put things shelf. 6045 i have a different experience ricardo friends this just happened today. bought in for 250 . got the bonus of total 500 played necessary amount needed plus little more. usually 25 hand. somtimes 30 and 40 after half an hour cashed 550 12 hours later were my paypal acount. 300 profit. these are all facts. they cheacting or not we need to check large range hands order find out. two three people with bad runs statisticaly nothing. however do their quite suspicious. sorry spelling mistakes. 6046 what is con nt ricardo 6047 free world bill baggins your choice as i said. thanks for the recommendation but am already au fait with threads you mention. one thing will learn is that there virtually no casino or software brand untainted by bad press on these sites. trick to sort wheat from chaff. con remains best a first timer 1000 dollars invest starter in my opinion. if want pass that's up you. sorry about trying help regards b. 6048 con bill baggins casino on net regards b. 6050 netgaming beatable thatch sorry for the double post. this was meant to be a new one. short while ago i enquired about netgaming's software. scarce informed me it elka russian contraption. would have not dared touch if an email from source trust. part of ...with regards my only concern at time speed on june xx bought in 140 and received bonus met wagering requirements cashed out 230. paid winnings within 5 days through paypal... having heard bad beats being adventurer sorts 200 got match set play string with 400 opening balance. terms d bx6. 240 flat 10's except dd's or splits. cashout 290. less than half netted. but better nothing. recommended faint heart 100 hands into looked like surely going lose serious fraction deposit. 6051 agree with jack here bill baggins check customer service to be on the safe side. they have live help. regards b. 6052 i'm no authority re hourly rate wagerthru i appreciate bill b. citing my post but comments were only made after playing about 20 casinos -- hardly definitive. although scarce claims 100 per hour which may be true for him john didn't contest estimate of in the range 25- 30 hour. main point was that there's a ceiling on potential web profits. still think it's great opportunity some. 6053 fortune room nt asap 6054 shady bill haywood do a search for elka in the bulletin board over at www.winneronline.com i'm sure i've read posts there questioning legitimacy of software. and some posters get their facts straight. 6055 what if i send money using paypal to another personal email kyl bill my credit card fund it that would be a quasi-cash transaction right will get charged interests and cash advance fees 6056 casinoratingclub.com willcharm has anyone here had experience with and their program what are the pros cons do they pay like say will 6057 easy and guess thanks guys. nt barker 6058 the payout is amazing i will admit - half an hour good. peter had a good run at goodasgold don't know if that's same stable. suppose there always be unlucky ones who get nailed why i've left it for week or so and go back. still feels tough time though when nearly every single card dealer gets over 30 cards 10 yours like 14-16. 6059 well decided to give homebets another short go. same story. peter won first bet lost the next 6 in a row. got 20 dealer gets 21. bj and lots of 10s. it could all just be back luck i suppose. 6060 another odd thing. the house edge on this casino is very low. peter you can double after split any 2 cards etc. and their bonuses are probably best around esp with 30 reload bonus. maybe software rigged to counteract it i've noticed that dealer hardly ever busts - often gets 21's if i hit a 12 almost guarateed get 10. 6061 finally something i know a little about skar sorry mac and unix guys this is for win because i'm not literate in unix. maybe someone else can help. you should definitely use the same pc without modification. obvious steps to take would be disclaimer don't personally do so no promises reformat your with multiple distinct partitions get around whole cookies software thing. these are separate entities like hard drives hence pcs. sid thing windows using cd install on all partitions...although if somehow had copies.... ip address real big deal. check from command prompt ipconfig several times verify following. isps generally pool of addresses assign clients it's lot easier than mapping ips keeping track. assuming that turn off after done next time boot up will request hopefully assigned different one. why said check. some systems remember over still available hasn't been already. 6062 carribean gold paddyboy just started playing here had to play 13 hands before my first win then did ok for about 3 minutes and 9 losses in a row. anyone else have similar experiences 6063 experiences with capital casino jethro how hassle free are withdrawals is the blackjack fair 6064 made a little over the bonus... wagerthru ...got paid directly to paypal within week. 6065 apologies to scarce wagerthru sorry i doubted you re the possibility of 100 per hour with online bj. after checking out a few high roller sites see that this is indeed possible. but since there seem be only about 40 or so these it seems rate obtainable for limited time. although hadn't considered there's also playing higher bet sizes at lower stakes too risky. any comments on appreciated. 6066 same happened to me.. ricardo purchased for 50 got another cashed in 130 . money was my paypal account after 5 days. english harbour casino is the family and have game banking. bonus eh 100 though. 6067 avoid anon14788 they pay you quickly whatever haven't stolen from that is. this place is rigged. 6068 fwiw -- only casino where i've lost nt wagerthru 6069 anyone play at five star casino ndbj just wondering if has had any problems there. i didn't see their name in of the posts. 6070 try thegreek.com colin caster better yet spend a day reading posts at one of the watchdog sites e.g. majorwager.com sportbookreview.com theprescription.com or post your question sharpsportsbetting.com. good luck cc 6071 which 40 sites dancali what do you mean by these high roller there are a few places like blackjackballroom's 400 for 1000 where it's actually good deal. talking about the various 20 deals at world gaming example please elaborate. 6072 i haven't vetted these.... wagerthru ...but scarce should be able to give you a clue. in the mean time can check them out for yourself. 6073 a little help please smooth rob i am new to online casinos.....can anyone recommend fair casino that would be good place start out in any casinos using software should stay away from is appreaciated 6074 thank you nt joe gold 6075 me too nt john may 6076 starting point skar i don't like rtg but have fared well with microgaming cryptologic and playtech. some people will say that mg pt are rigged maybe they i've done well. think blackjack ballroom has a 400 bonus. you should try there. at least 75- 100 bonuses due to the swings of game. make sure know basic strategy discipline you'll be fine. pro page god casinos dealt him in past he on level. can even get his book for free. 6077 sorry got to disagree bill baggins blackjack ballroom is not a good recommendation. the 400 bonus 40 on 1000 deposit requiring 7000 playthrough. these are high playthrough requirements for someone start out with and does qualify ironic considering name of casino . you would be restricted video poker which while having similar ev implications has higher variance greater risk starting bank. i know pro recommended this in past there was thread discussing that if recall correctly but suspect he may getting some money from sign ups via his site. apologise advance am incorrect assumption consequent interpretation don't dispute other mg casinos lower 100 matches recommendations. also consider oddson con starters. rtgs selected wisely can although hassles receiving bonuses immediately deposits fax back etc. everyone. course assuming trying make profit at through mr smooth just wanting gamble changes parameters somewhat. regards b. 6078 thank you smooth rob thanks for the advice. of course i am interested in making money from bonuses. have read been to blackkack pro website many times and it has very helpful. person running site does receive referal bonuses if sign up through his link no problem with that. he provides a ton useful information there keeping that is probably lot work. some receives splits charity too. started out bigdollar.com.... 20 deposit 40 bonus bj qualifies bonus. will see how goes... 6079 video poker help needed wagerthru i played through the bonus requirement at uk casino club bj -- not realizing it's valid there. i'd like to use vp see if can least get my deposit out. only problem is haven't in years and don't know what strategies apply site's games. 'aces faces' an 8 5 game which seems be a standard online option appears best. anyone has or could take look their tell me would grateful. thanks. 6080 i don't know their bonus amount but... anon32 vp variance is more severe than bj. make sure to read all terms and conditions before playing. 6081 a hole casinos kyl bill deposited and wagered through bonus released amount lost most of deposit before realising blackjack doesn't count. let that be lesson. 6082 onluck casino dbzguy i recently just played at and received thier 100 match bonus for 150 the minumum amount 5 after reached my wager requirements was down to 60.00. have a feeling software is rigged little more than most of them...i would avoid this there are way better ones out there. 6083 video poker bill baggins link for basic strategy at the wizard of odds site. mg casinos have jacks or better. regards b. 6084 ha nt nelson munz 6085 who is the a hole paddyboy you cant get pissed off with casino over this one.it in their terms. always read terms before making wager.if are not sure of something then email them never take anything for granted.i would just love to have seen lick on your face when found out about no bj rule. 6086 i downloaded the software a few days ago but terms were changed nt kyl bill 6088 virtual casino must be the most prolific bonus giver kyl bill i'm not sure if i can trust them again deposited few hundred before but they kept on asking me for credit details sending it saying need to see it. when question didn't respond wrote off now are emailing a huge promotion deposit up 5k thinking might only con small casg so giving another chance. any comments make 6089 they are at least incompetent possibly evil. jack schwartz i certainly wouldn't risk sending them 5000 especially after you have hard evidence that don't send your winnings all the time. others on this site had bad experiences there and call scum amongst other things. it just sounds like wishful thinking to think would cheat low-rollers but not high-rollers. why go for big bucks played a few of their bonuses reasonably good luck. however when tried withdraw 195 last month took several weeks 10 phone calls realize hadn't actually sent me my money through paypal. customer service person was easy reach friendly. impression badly organized rather then deliberately trying steal money. couple will be tommorow statements with no result starting give up ever getting money... finally did appear. experience along strange fronts use attract customers makes very sketchy operation. 6090 just curious but which casino is this nt bill baggins 6091 there is one born every minute bill baggins are you for real have already told us that haven't received your money back from previous deposit and now considering depositing 5k with them. this casino group renowned as of the worst if not rtg out there. keep taking pills but consider a new prescription because obviously isn't doing trick. b. 6092 thanks bill nt wagerthru 6093 was ok for me. nt guess who 6094 a fool and his money are easily parted nt spaghetti 6095 so....anybody know anything about betmax or swords casino kyl bill i've already dowloaded the software and waiting for more info from you comrades. 6096 sword casino is virtual right nt kyl bill 6098 download last paddyboy wouldnt it make more sense to get info first before downloading 6099 you really need to learn how do even the simplest research scarce betmax is allied with extreme casino heat ruby dragon. read about those places. they are crooks. now take your chances their signup offer. if i see one more inane anyone had any experience with.. post will surely go mad.. 6100 doesn't take much to drive you mad. nt anon14788 6101 true. just venting after a particularly horrible day at the real tables nt scarce 6102 yes spaghetti 6103 made money for me mr deviant lost a little of bonus but bj seemed fair and check arrived quickly 6104 carrib gold eng harbour mr deviant and rest of family seemed legit to me. nothing out ordinary in terms wins losses. paid winnings paypal timely manner. 6105 gee scarce finally lost at blackjack. jack o. black better get back to on-line 6106 me three. nt jack o. black 6107 personal account problems at paypal twocard sending funds to another may get both accounts locked. for sure if the is funded via a credit card. this has happened me and several other people. 6108 anomalies of microgaming wagerthru after playing on a number mg sites i just wanted to mention some what seem be the patterns i've observed see whether anyone else has noticed anything similar as well speculate about or not they might exploited. before getting actual hands dealt and dwell possiblity that software is in way rigged largest overall pattern noted win-loss trend which seems repeat at roughly 80 mgs played. it goes like this for first 25 one's play toward bonus requirement one up 5 10 units. next so drops even -- level b d. total remainder either plateaus there another leaves you with profit area 65 75 amount. can't really complain because made money every except where overbet an experiment. but does suggest me something going on. themselves certain appear far more often than do casino play. most noticeable rarity winning multiple card hands. greater proportion wins come from dealer busts rather making hand occur real blatant form 21 invariably met blackjack. variant extreme soft hand. a6 catches over 90 time my experience almost followed by bust card. generally speaking any three can busted big will be. taken standing such vs. stiff upcards 2-6 win them. course it's impossible know justified statistics been working. 16 loses 95 regardless hits stands rate excess norm. don't think done this. player blackjack always comes against low never up. these are general observations software. casinos have tweaked creating their own anomalies. hitting 12 dealer's high upcard caught time. 11 double down led deciding only hit point got 10. few pair aa received two 10s bust. positive side hard 9 won worth looking idiosyncrasies especially putting lot bonus. comments appeciated. 6109 actual results jondo not that i disagree with you but are the s from records or just general gut guesstimations 6110 paypal chargeback wei i was just wondering if it's possible to have charge back with any experience this thanks a million 6111 your head is gonna bust asap too much thinking and analysis on part. my results at mg are right in line with theoretical. just flat bet the minimum you can tolerate stick basic strategy take bonuses. all these patterns amount to nothing. relax. ok. 6112 no. nt asap 6113 you're the only one here poopsy who seems to think that. 6114 is microgaming rigged j. t. sweet my results at mg are right in line with theoretical aren't even close to theoretical. i'm ahead but way below ev. this after two years of playing. . i play both bj and vp. because a lot vp there variance prove nothing. still everytime i've checked total found that software holds 1.25 all action. 6115 take it easy... literally. bone-us i hate to add fuel the fire but i've got my own hairbrained idea about microgaming macrocheating software. guess is that game will penalize a player who plays quickly. this method of cheating would give disadvantage robot players bonus hunters naturally play quickly and really good blackjack not them high casino advantage like weak would. taken habit slowing down when hit losing streak. done several times so far have begun winning almost immediately after making intentional pauses in play. now disclaimers... first all fire. - also don't truly believe i'm right does makes more interesting think something going on you some control over. besides couldn't possibly hurt odds fair or unfair for matter why so... try. next time famous extended streak easy slow see what happens. 6116 onluck seemed fine to me pensive gerbil i lost less than 25 after having exceeded wagering requirements playing blackjack. would play there again if they process my recent cashout in a timely manner. 6117 stop lying paddyboy i can't really complain about this because i've made money at every mg except one where overbet as an experiment. but it does suggest to me that something is going on oh you have did why say july 15 after playing my first two casinos broke even and cashed out the bonuses. next 8 or 9 lost bonuses occasionally deposit also a while back were saying hourly win rate online bj not high enough for then are now said thanks your reply been good counter many years play bank larger than 10 000 more 'huge' amount of 1000 in day times over would sense see all these crazy patterns 6118 big dollar carol been locked out of havent even started why does anyone know never before strange . i thought the 10x pplay was high anyway for 20 50 dont have good luck with low balances and wagering req. how about you guys 6119 proc-cyber paul02085 you may be on the infamous bonus hunter list. 6122 paypal chargeback aceshigh with you are out of luck if the casino tries to screw you. be careful when depositing at shady casinos as have zero recourse it goes badly. 6123 thanks for all replies wagerthru have i been hanging out with oliver stone too much as said was speculating but obviously what describing didn't jibe anybody here. maybe i'll just go the flow some suggested. re paddy -- you sound like a feisty sort. contradict my earlier post although it could clearer. experiences were described after playing 20 or so more mgs found results coming making roughly 65 of bonus amounts. did estimate hourly rate 100 50 bonuses to me in neighorhood 30 per hour and john may someone far knowledgeable than myself about online play basically agreed me. also apologized scarce questioning his claim learning high roller sites these are surely limited number. still think real casino is superior since can't always get there offers good fall back. counter don't look patterns casinos because they're carefully regulated. world not suspicion justified that many would agree. cheers 6124 hey pb j. t. sweet here's a suggestion go be grumby sob somewhere else. your act is wearing thin. 6125 infamous lol carol made me laugh probably .knew i had to get on it sooner or later. 6126 micro-voodoo paddyboy an a6 catches a 10 over 90 of the time in my experience almost invariably followed by bust card. generally speaking any three card soft hand that can be busted big will be. i've taken to standing on such hands vs. stiff dealer upcards 2-6 and win roughly 80 them. course it's impossible know whether this justified statistics but so far been working you are not even playing basic strategy properly at few pair aa hit always received two 10s bust. positive side one casino hard 16 9 won 75 time. more mistakes should split v ace as though mg is enhc aces only stand for comp dep plays. do 6127 is there really such a thing mr deviant my pc mg cover pretty thin ... i gnerally play over min reuirement and waste few dollars on something stupid like slots. 6128 really split aa vs. a at mg jack schwartz i think this possibility occured to me one time but never followed up on the thought. not that can even remember play came after many 1000s of hands mg. had assumed should normal enhc bs which is hit a. did you calculate sim yourself or some other reliable source publish fact thanks - 6129 dangerous and foolish stuff. jack schwartz i've played every mg casino bonus that exists in the past 6 months. my winnings are above ev actually won more than total received . i play basic at bj to satisfy play-through requirements except when is not allowed then job vp. based on results have no reason suspect game non-random. it costly deviate from bs perceived patterns ... different any typical superstitious ploppy. entire games so popular human mind terrible interpreting streams of random data. we hard-wired see meaning there none invent it. even start get a sense controlling playing online but know trust these feelings knowledge psychology. instead if you feel something amiss taking some actual best way record card dealt. can crunch data later for whatever statistical property want check. remarkable how many people post here about their or other software cheating them they don't slightest back up claim. claims feels wrong completely worthless. as explained instincts this why would anybody else's do yourself favor stick bs... all your mistakes could easily account below-ev results. - 6130 re micro voodoo wagerthru paddyboy needless to say i'd never do this stuff in a real casino. as far not splitting aces you're wrong and jack schwartz is right on this. check out wong the wizardofodds or whoever you consider an authority correct way play ench. standing incorrectly soft hands i said i'm well aware it's but was experimenting surprised by results. cheers 6131 you may be right wagerthru jack thanks for the thoughtful post. as i said was speculating about what seemed to patterns in mg software based on admittedly limited play but it well i'm wrong. and some others seem assured of randomness mg's extensive which is persuasive evidence. think can understand my misgivings given absence regulation. also post aware statistical meaninglessness claims would take far more than going do net approach significance. again. cheers 6132 carol how many casinos have you done peter i'm worried about being nailed as a promo abuser - 21 already in 10-12 weeks. i always wager 30-50 more than required and vary my bets. i've actually lost all on 7 so far but am up very nicely overall. 6133 split a v ace in enhc if hsa paddyboy on page 121 of wongs basic bj he says when you can hit after splitting aces regular strategy applies. check out the wizs chart for microgaming it say to ace. most people dont know about this as land casinos never let aces. but hand only comes up 28 times every 100 000 so will probably save dollar 10 years by splitting. 6134 long discussion about this in mid april scarce ..between drew paddyboy and myself. the wizard's chart is right changed his opinion then. for myself i don't think it really matters. ev less than a 1 difference between two options given rarity of play matters even less. 6135 you are right pboy initially i had the same opinion as wagerthru but and drew showed me that was wrong. agree it is only minor what do think of deviating from bs according to patterns see . people may am trying piss off not just help everyone sees in play at a land or online casino does mean should move away bs.this probably casinos would like if have no other statistically proven info then best way even with micro thing can well use comp dep plays.every little helps this lot better than using crazy theories slowing down your when losing boneass theory 6136 thanks paddyboy good info nt jack schwartz 6137 got my check from quicksilver. only took 3 months nt roywil 6138 good move pboy i think this possibility occured to me at one time but never followed up on the thought. very you knew bs for normal enhc hit a v still had an inclination split as there was hsa.but didnt only info available hit.you did right thing under circumstances. now know that it is mathematically corect can see are logical cool player.i respect hope more contributions from if ever find any bonuses email and will do likewise instead of arguing over nittygriity lets get together cream these online casinos 6139 i stand corrected nt wagerthru 6140 p. 121 of basic bj has nothing to do with this bob fisher i checked wong's blackjack and page this. it is table 32 split double after when you can push on 22 a very rare rule. 41 3 pages 42 43 lose all natural says never or against ten ace except aces vs. ten. even hit a-a das. assume only one card though. could try figure out but am almost certain that unlimited drawing allowed would an if there 16 in 49 chance losing both bets because instead just one. 6141 interesting point wagerthru ...there's nothing about this in pbj since i doubt there's any real casino that offers the 'draw to a split ace' rule. maybe i'll post on green chip and see what turns up. btw bob thanks for your many insighful posts bj21 especially east coast bj. cheers 6142 around 20 myself carol stop for a few months ready to get back into it and this happens but i dont know what is could be banned bonus hunter . 6143 i was banned by proccyber hunta too from proccyber. playing about one a week and had my all accounts locked after 8th fortune lounge group is where caught . over the requirements engaging in other camouflage. however smart player cashed out as winner almost each case though lost little once they never explained why but suspect that looked logs could see obviously an advantage player. maybe do random audits don't think it'd be very difficult to weed players gamblers. can still play ecash processing micro's am now weary of getting here too. 6144 naive and paranoid stuff. pensive gerbil i've played every mg casino bonus that exists in the past 6 months. my winnings are above ev hi jack i am very encouraged by this report. mcg blackjack results have been consistent with a house edge of approximately 2.7 strictly adhere to bs except when hand composition considerations dictate different action obtained single deck modifications from wizard odds site. do you modify based on first two bonuses naively thought could meet wagering requirement small flat bets one or long sessions then cashout repeat. after getting hassled about cashing out meager most widely respected casinos realized error ways. fear is since playing rigged games which may only be dealt customers who've tagged as advantage gamblers. jacks-or-better vp worse than bj results. careful disguise your hustling completed requirements modest account balance e.g. 200 quickly request complete there any benefit requesting partial leaving sum wait certain period time before regards pg ps noticed helpful reply 2 post taxes. would welcome an e-mail you. 6145 121 of basic bj pboy yes it does. the last 3 lines 2nd paragraph when you can hit after splitting aces regular bacic strategy applies if still cant find just email wiz he will explain to you. 6146 you must have a different version than i bob fisher of basic blackjack i. mine is copyright 1992 isbn 0-935926-19-4 by stanford wong and pi yee press. 6147 william hill wager logic software jim as a u.k. and vegas gambler of 20years experience i have recently played roulette bj with casino on line version for period three months. my gut instinct having watched the pattern play results in both games is that tracked rigged out question. you never see repeat numbers when their are loads chips number real casinos this happens but many repeats maybe only split or couple any way small example strange little quirks could list wont bore all studied these oddities different size bets etc am totally convinced game fixed. wagerlogic provide admin called them pretence wishing to start an bussiness consortium was given some details set up. pay initial fee 250k profit monthly basis 50 so they get pot each every month give rest. basically hills put hand collect use much trusted name lure punters in. practice mode seem ok believable same patterns emerge regardless amount wagered because it uses your windows random generator fair game. money using unix say difference overall success astounding. one sum up would be happily 25 safe knowledge might come ...but online chasing five grand loss then allow 875 back spin ball will conveniently drop right next door. pleasure find wasnt fixed think we kid ourselves exist. challenge prove beyond doubt card sequences 100 win lose something extremly suspect about games. regards . 6148 too good to be true peter just checked out gambling.com bonuses. there must something wrong. sportsbet island getabet ibet casino sportsbook are all offering 100 bonuses up 300 that's huge now last time i saw these crazy offers was about 3 weeks ago when they had goodasgold 200 and homebets 250 . did amazingly well at the former lost everything on latter. an uphill battle way yet almost felt easy does anyone know how safe casinos it says you can only get that bonus through not page itself. have leave your deposit for 30 days although cash any winnings. 6149 can't find bob fisher i checked the wizardofodds website and this play addressed. he does give a basic strategy with some rule variations but doesn't address specific problem. mentions dealer takes all recommend just hitting a-a vs. is unclear about whether you have unlimited draw or one card on each ace. there also question of number decks. please see my post theory page where begun an analysis problem discovered that it borderline hit in single deck game. because less likely to bj multiple game may actually be split multi-deck seem clarify either. his bs plays without corresponding expectations appears been copied from book. could me click by says drawing aces lose both bets against thanks. 6150 quick reply. kx i ve played heavily on lots of cryptologic casinos for more than 2 years and my results does in no way indicate that the payouts would be too low. wether game is rigged other ways or not a different issue... m bit worried about software because their huge problems getting certified at iom. littlewoods casino was supposed to up running almost year ago may they even sent out e-mails stating open during month claimed were first ones have passed certification back june. this clear lie. both atlantis boss hard rock house by time. 6151 integrity ltd. -- har coldsteel73 what a classic internet gambling company name. nt 6152 wizard's bs chart for mg bj jack schwartz the link below is to review at site. he includes a specifically that game which shows aa vs. split. there no explanation analysis regarding this play but i generally trust wizard. - 6153 i think sportbet island getabet ibet are unified gaming sites jack schwartz which means 1 the bonuses work like matchplay coupons they take away win or lose so ev is only 50 of face value. 2 have a bad reputation when it comes to paying players customer service staying in business barring bonus etc. - 6154 stanley acropolis question wagerthru since they deal two decks is it possible to request a shuffle at any time thanks for help. 6155 re littlewoods casino jim interesting comments kx would be nice to see another british company maybe they can produce a fair game and get it right. for example will hill offer european roulette yet the layout of numbers on wheel is certainly not as in uk although do have only one zero still take all even chance bets when comes europe half stake returned or rides next spin..........clearly are happy adopt american rule but continue call roulette..........beats me how away with this blatant misrepresentation changing rules played u.k. casinos. i asked their chief honcho about he said was ........that just sums up much whole thing stinks law unto themselves appear able exactly please little recourse. what real table then use punters simply accept gaming board allow online seems anything goes where who regulator net casinos 6156 mg results jack schwartz yes i try to play the optimal fine points bs for 1d as listed on wizard's site. all can say sure is that overall my bj are good with enough data it impossible was playing a -1 or worse game. suppose possible software cheats some players and not others at certain times other but just seems somewhat bizzare think casinos would bother such complicated scheming when obviously they make plenty of money dealing an honest if want rip off their customers why everybody . only cover has been betting big relative buyins often tap out use bonus. quite possibly this different from typical bonus-hunter pattern allowed me avoid being blacklisted. rarely games than generally bet between 10-20 beyond wager requirements. cash immediately... download casino deposit through requirements cashout within 1-2 hours assuming don't have wait bonus appear couldn't be any more blatant about finally it's easy get paranoid you losing. had terrible streak rtg lifetime result poor. i'm trying fight own paranoia regarding software. ironically attract fewest accusations cheating maybe because screaming shoddy customer service slow non-payments. hard imagine how tweak individual players. there blacklist hunters set cheat them then do continually escalating play-through jump hoops bonuses does proc-cyber share information bonus-abusers must losing hunters... could will wouldn't reason harder - 6157 no real regulation bill baggins but plenty of casinos that will pay up what they owe you. william hill is one. fairness games a whole different ball game. one be debated until the proverbial cows come home. i am sure you know roulette game with large house edge anyway approx 2.75 think in uk b m . have record how much bet overall and their hold was on regards b. 6158 yes nt bob fisher 6159 copy of basic bj pboy my is isbn 0-935926-19-4 anyway email the wiz i am sure this isn correct 6160 re.payout games jim bill i agree that hills wil payout and dont question think they would be associcated with any fiddling could easily proved however simply get their money from wagerlogic e-cash monthly ask to many questions unless enough people shout loud cause a stink. interesting article on winneronline.com by computer wiz kid who pointed out no matter how good fair the rgn is its basically of trust in casino use those numbers software for various played correctly fairly. this case do we wager logic are sharing 50 profit all casinos provide run for. at rough calculation edge or take my play has been around 24 total bets wagered. 6161 thanks bob nt wagerthru 6162 silliness scarce however they simply get their money from wagerlogic and e-cash monthly dont think ask to many questions unless enough people shout loud cause a stink yes if you huge land-based gaming corporation such as william hill would ever risk reputaion on shady software or potential scandal than you're sadly mistaken. in this case its do we trust wager logic who are sharing 50 of the profit all casinos provide run for. merely suggests that cryptologic is among most expensive use for any casino. probably chief reason why there relatively few licensee's. it's up want continue playing online but your doubts great then i don't see real point when play at really dodgey places. 6163 results and recriminations pensive gerbil all i can say for sure is that overall my mg bj are good with enough data it impossible was playing a -1 or worse game. would imagine the calculations required to reach this conclusion be very complex unless you were flat betting. case if one lost 2.7 of approximately 11 700 wagered mostly 4 at time occasional 6- 12 bets in what range game's house edge fall 95 confidence just seems somewhat bizzare think casinos bother such complicated scheming when obviously they make plenty money dealing an honest not have rigged game which only dealt undesirable customers. as online being able how do know true some gone under there much competition our gambling dollar. suspect market may unable support current number casinos. want rip off their customers why everybody clearly unprofitable who interested building long-term business cheat so certain loose games. hit-and-run operations different story. cover has been betting big relative buyins often tap out use bonus. cover. could please give me idea exactly your deposit 100 receive bonus start 10 per hand more vary bet size relation whether winning losing rarely play games other than generally between 10-20 beyond wager requirements. relatively high playthrough requirement e.g. 36xb 50xb still try exceed by had terrible streak rtg i've luck blackjack. dealers seem bust frequently mcg download casino through requirements cashout within 1-2 hours couldn't any blatant about wow cashouts intentionally mishandled delayed requested paypal 230 shortly after completing wagering respected received e-mail days later demanding fax them copies id credit card never used utility bill. similar experiences blacklist hunters software set then continually escalating play-through jump hoops get bonuses does proc-cyber share information bonus-abusers must hunters. points. these reasons continued lose o regards 6164 those aren't recriminations jack schwartz when i requested a paypal cashout of about 230 shortly after completing wagering requirements respected mcg casino received an e-mail 4 days later demanding that fax them copies my id credit card i've never used for gambling and utility bill. have you had similar experiences is almost definitely not due to your style... it safeguard against chargebacks people using aliases abuse bonuses. sop more casinos especially transactions over certain level 250 - 500 . sent scanned i.d. bill creditcard dozens get withdrawals. it's annoying hassle but all part the game. think these procedures were started as legitimate way protect from dishonest players who would dispute their cc charges. they probably also discovered profitable with paperwork since lets delay withdrawals results in some bothering do collect money. once send documents are cooperative eventually often don't pay attention whether or just standard form. nothing sinister laziness on part. wow cashouts intentionally mishandled delayed well if was paranoid so attribute many delays screwups endured unintentional incompetence rather than malice. there been several gave up months emails phone calls only finally money all. play rtg promos be ready long getting paid. far they've paid somewhat lucky regard 6165 results jack schwartz all i can say for sure is that overall my mg bj are good with enough data it impossible was playing a -1 or worse game. would imagine the calculations required to reach this conclusion be very complex unless you were flat betting. case err.. realize kind of shooting from hip there. looked over and first wasn't keeping perfect records bet-size until recently second haven't played quite yet justify statement above. let me modify based on alone predict game gives player 0.2 advantage 95 confidence range -1.3 1.7 if one lost 2.7 approximately 11 700 wagered mostly 4 at time occasional 6- 12 bets in what game's house edge fall conservatively let's pretend made only bets. makes 2925 standard dev sqrt 1.3 62 so your interval encompass - 124 translated 4.2 . since additional bigger actually larger. bad raise questions but even perfectly legit just 1sd negative. long run indeed think cover. could please give an idea exactly how big deposit 100 receive bonus do start out betting 10 per hand more vary bet size relation whether winning losing play 25 sometimes 50 have large playthrough requirement. many bonuses once spend lot 1 2 available bankroll want able dd split that's nice feature software... games das can't than 3 definitely tapped matching played. saves ev tap stomach variance right way play. coincidentally style probably cover as well. 6166 i'm surprised i haven't been banned .. mr deviant i've done about 20 places ... won in all but couple. when up big do gamble extra on randomly picked lame games as cover. 6167 good thread nt j. t. sweet 6168 blast21 steals my a powerbet ii wei i cash-in for almost 20 days did the fax back form etc. they said will process but never did. lately email them and all emails bounced back. be ware players. does anyone has similar experience thanks million 6169 from what i can gather you cash out the bonus peter once you've done wagering requirements. is required however that keep your deposit there for 30 days. don't know if sounds a bit fishy or not. casinos where cant are goldenpalace etc. won't touch those with bargepole. 6170 all i can say is... pensive gerbil thank you very much for your helpful reply. it's been a long time since my advanced statistics class and forgot how to calculate sd confidence intervals. though i'm relieved learn that probably not more than 1 away from the theoretical mean sure would like find out what life is on other side of bell curve regards pg 6171 don't be so sure. pensive gerbil that is almost definitely not due to your wagering style... it a safeguard against chargebacks and people using aliases abuse bonuses. sop for more casinos especially transactions over certain level 250 - 500 . i still believe received special mis treatment from this casino my style. do want go into detail about why though will say casino's was request copies of id cashouts in excess 230. regards pg 6172 an interesting comparison pensive gerbil i attribute the many delays and screwups have endured to unintentional incompetence rather than malice. though i've been playing at online casinos for less two months already experienced several pertaining missing incorrect bonus amounts cashouts. none of in my favor. contrast poker about six different sites over years. all this time never a screwup cashout or promotional bonus. cashouts from which always included winnings generally arrived paypal account within one business day. do you believe that as rule workers are far competent those cardrooms regards pg 6173 casino extreme too... kx those two are related. have a friend who s waiting for payments from both and they don t reply to e-mails. 6174 it's easy to accuse casinos of cheating but peter when one has a good run it is possible that can have an equally bad run. i just recently had 20 hands won 17 including 3 doubles and pushed now that's not loss in hands. shows statistically anything possible. 6176 silliness sadly not jim william hill dont need to be involved with shady dealings but it is virtually impossible prove. however internet casinos until a couple of weeks ago were legal in the uk how long have whill been operating this casino online few years i think so its clear cut as you seem think. if wager logic are massaging soft ware produce favourable results more than likely zero knowledge can claim total innocence. further any allocations fixing would regarded bad loser bee his bonnet and exactly what court juristiction they come under one did manage present case obligations over pay out punters balances without much hassle which always do that was never question. now tell me whills going moan about receiving fat profit each month not. having studied games both single multi player for roulette bj their really many funny coincedences beleieve sequences wins happen amazing runs losses incredible frequency unlike anything seen land casinos. these obversations based on being 25yrs experience gambling watching happens real game. win or lose point knowing totally un manipulated game where enjoyment comes from. also truth am alone my feelings. silly trusting correct should restrict budget sound advice. 6177 check green chip wagerthru i put the question on gc board and mathprof supplied an analysis of problem concluding that splitting is correct in this unusual situation. if you have some about his figures a debate would be interesting. best 6179 i'm with you. baker dont mind scarce for he consistently gets very offended when people like you post their honest intelligent comments. takes these things personal. part of the reason may be is a portal many on-line casinos. something i find doing it hard way dealing internet. 6180 any chance of a translation bill baggins the following sentence something i find doing it hard way when dealing with internet. just wondering what this means. regards b. 6181 nope i wasnt banned carol opened 2 accounts one a long time ago forgot. havent played in months and my book is packed away moving but emailed them . thats what they told me good thing got lucky untill read this.do the casinos boards wonder does anyone know 6182 interesting if nonsensical scarce i were a portal sic there would still be many places not advertise as are more bad to put your money online than good. i've said this repeatedly over the years. cryptologic casino's among group although couple leery of playing at . jim's concerns make no sense me and told him so. baker's comments even less especially given translation problems. forum exists for advantage players explore play with like-minded individuals. you're why you guy's posting here in first place 6183 they still have my money too johndoe21 i've been trying to get back from them but all emails returned-undeliverable . i should've known better than play at a casino that does not give customer service phone number. late for now...what kind of actions can do now jd 6184 maybe this will help johndoe21 i found line on another casino that uses realtime gaming software - real time software. has created a dispute resolution webpage located at http players.realtimegaming.com can lead to some help... 6185 hard rock was developed by... greendawg a company named wagerworks . they are partially owned by mgm mirage and had supplied the online games for their now defunct prize site. gd 6186 50 ... seems quite steep. greendawg hi jim you made a phonecall and were quoted take by cryp. i'm sure that whill was able to negotiate this down some amount considering the goodwill marketing dollars they bring table. just random thought... gd 6187 hey i have never won at william hill either coldsteel73 just bad luck so far would guess. surely couldn't rig their bj game while the other crypto joints remained not rigged because win those . cold 6190 also check out this thread... kx and tell the rtg representative about your experiences... http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 005019-4.html 6191 re50 green dawg jim yes you are probably right i am sure whills got a better deal than was quoted as an unheard of consortium but its for that wager logic certainly earning fat slice the game profits. 6194 re casino cheating jim pete this is an interesting point and really the nature of lady luck for every horrendous losing run you should eventually have a similar slice good fortune if game truly random. my very concerns are honesty software reason that their numerous runs etc but so extremly infrequent always seem to appear only after dug enormous whole deficit first thus ever allowing hovver around even mark when has appeared. in real might win ten spins or hands as soon walked it happens random with net just isnt going happen. well not me anyway. one way describing feels stifled controlled winnings losses governed ...........like driving car automatic speed limiter fitted......no matter how hard press gas your go faster than allows. 6196 what are you doing here jondo scarce diamond software aka mango casino is offering aces eights vp with a progressive for 4 or eights. the last time i looked this game was at 119 pretty high. little research finds that written by convicted felon who spent two years in pen hacking into atms. it would be hard me to feel any confidence these casinos. cryptologic's biggest casinos were intercasino and sands of car. both owned wanted fugitive from us. he also largest owner cry. connection probably explains crypto problem getting licensed iom previously australia. point industry riddled cons fairness not defined all games videogames could deemed slot machines under new jersey regs. whom do trust if advantage play chasing 50 bonuses hoping get paid then doomed anyway. 6197 scarce is a high roller. tricky dicky dont mess around with those 50 bonuses. he claims to be making 100 an hour and says the only way do this deposit thousands of bucks at all rolling casinos on internet chase that big bonus. there are 6 or 7 might trusted offer good bonuses conditions. you'd think he'd burnt them out by now. 6198 yes they also post here. nt tricky dicky 6199 just a minute guys bill baggins why the animosity in my opinion during time here scarce has posted more worthwhile information than any other poster on this board. it is hardly surprising that he gets aggravated sometimes considering extraordinarily high uqs unintelligent quotients demonstrated by some of posters to unfortunately wheat chaff ratio seems be declining. current estimate 10 90 nice see you though guys. way welcome tricky. haven't seen post before or convenient handle regards b. 6200 disputes at rtg pboy i am having problems with getting paid winnings from rubydragon so sent an email to dispites realtimegaming.com . they back a form have fill in but want me list all casinos account with. wont this make it easy for them find out that bonus hustler and could get barred 6201 similar experience bill baggins i have been through this process and the dispute was resolved in my favour. did list all casinos had played at a long with no trouble. one of stipulations when submitting is that player must risked his or her own money. don't see how cannot be case for playing many rtgs as large proportion their only deposit bonus following qualifying wagering requirements which by definition involves risking your initial deposit. if reasonable amount would go it. you checked out related thread over wol regards b. 6202 you are right about scarce guess who best poster on the subject. i read every thing he writes. 6203 i'll try it pboy i might as well go for it.anyway suppose being barred from rtg would actually be nice am sick of the hassle with them. 6204 rtg dispute e-mail address not a sucker is that dispites realtimegaming.com as listed in your post or was it suppose to read disputes 6205 some interesting juice on crypto... greendawg since cryptologic is a public company listed both the tse and nasdaq information relating to performance financials management quite easily found. they recently let their ceo go then within weeks coo resigned... stuff anyways... i believe reason were not successful in obtaining license iom australia due non-disclosure relationships with licensees. addition individual jondo mentioned it clear if 1 only provide software or 2 actively participate day of licensees... which won't disclose ownership. as for set-up fees being one could whack you up front followed by minimal participation vise versa. either way... pay through nose gd 6206 cyptologic owner att jondo jim dear re your comments about the former boss of cryptologic apparently being a convicted felun could you possibly enlighten me little more on subject or let know source research as would have gathered my trust crypto and wagerlogic is minimal like to history this set up in detail. perhaps e-mail personally. many thanks regards 6207 correct. i was just being lazy... nt kx 6208 the latter nt pboy 6210 visit www.cryptologic.com for more info. greendawg who jondo is referring to a guy named jay cohen... one of crypto's initial licensees. he ran the intercasino site as well other property mentioned. anyways... they are public company and was largest shareholders. check out their thing you can count on that anyone runs cryptoplogic has large sum money invested spends big bucks marketing makes money. there less than 20 licensees or sites running crypto software in total. work strictly scale volume don't deal with small players. gd 6211 not exactly jondo first this old news. the individual is bill scott who was convicted of racketeering and spent three years in a federal penitentiary. he also fugitive american judicial system. see jay cohen trial mr. founded owned world wide telesports one oldest largest off shore books.also most respected. cryptologic's licensee intercasino. sands caribbean omni. these casinos represented 75 revenues. you can figure rest. newspaper reports stock analysts have reported that connection has hindered cryptologic. my post to suggest any cheating or rigging by cryptologic other software for matter. i addressing scarce his comment on advantage play. using diamond digital are offering game with 120 payback. they claim conform nevada regs. but some research find written raffie eskandarian aka rafael alexander. nasa computer equipment develop programs allowed him fellow conspirators illegally capture atm accounts pin numbers steal large sums money from unsuspecting bank customers. again at best your playing low return honest out there more than likely slot machine dressed like blackjack dealer. play long gone unless chasing bonus dollars. then all need link bet2gamble. 6212 basically true scarce ..though scott was forced to sell off his interests in those casino's. he now runs several offshore betting sites. again at best your playing a low return honest game out there and more than likely slot machine dressed like blackjack dealer. advantage play is long gone unless you are chasing bonus dollars. then all need link bet2gamble. not exactly though it difficult nowadays. on the net has always been about bonus's. 6213 advantage play jondo not true there were casinos that had unbelievable bj rules and vp odds. 5-7 player advantage. programmers just copied all the out of a book with no idea what percentages were. course those days are long gone. but even recently one could find 25 5 full pay deuces fair games. to me is play. right now aces eights game at mango blackdog others 120 if you believe it i think they will match 100 too. good luck 6214 lower variance games mr deviant most of the times i flat bet blakcjack near minimum when i'm working thru a play requirement. this can be kinda lame with bad software e.g. microgaming . do realize bj has best ev various games. however willing to trade some expected winnings by betting higher amounts in less variance. could save time and increase per hour. is ass idea would paigow good candidate 6215 unless i'm missing something this looks like a sweet bj game roywil according to bet2gamble.com platinum sports international casino has these rules das double any 2 split once s17 surrender and one deck. called mercedes software. that seems pretty juicy me. player edge of .18 if i calculate right. am apparently they pay up. the bonus isn't much 10 on 250 mini then 5x b d playthru. believe deposit can be withdrawn at time. but nice it appears. thoughts past experiences here thanks in advance. 6216 an awfully high bonus play ratio... easyrider one of the more important factors in my hunting is amount ratio. rough rule thumb 1-20 depending on house minimums software payment history and other factors. if math correct this offer requires a 1-55 play-through for 25 there are better offers out there. 6217 best way is to increase bets... kx why do you stick playing small bets if play bonuses frequently the variance will even out anyhow assuming don t bet very large . placing ev of bonus and it drastically lower your time. 6218 i don t agree... kx ...and makes money. believe the majority of cryptologic licensees have a very hard time making both ends meet. intercasino tons wh omni and sands are probably profitable too. but casinos like cyberspades 1on1 3diamonds casino regal millennium casino8 etc. can be profitable. would guess they play in same league as blackjack.com who abandoned crypto recently. those empty most small incomes to shared with webmasters bonus hunters work strictly on scale volume don't deal players. this is wrong to. look at offers places kiwi millenium no highrollers attracted by those. fact really for players get deposit need risking their own money all... exceptions. popular high roller places. 6219 times d b is more important than he pboy i would rather play at a house edge of .5 for lower reqs. you are going to have lot also with the small size bonus compared deposit dont know if it worth it. can cashin your init dep anytime so then chance and bet big 6220 bonus to play ratio not a sucker would you please show how calculate the thanks 6221 i suppose but... scarce ..those kind of things were quite rare as are special promotions where the casino goofs and makes a time-limited offer which savvy gamblers realize is hopelessly flawed go in for kill. probably all major brands have been guilty this at one time or another. fantastic odds often an indication that software skewed. case point shackleford reported once transnet was offering vp game with return something like 140 . when he went into test it his results indicated laughable excuse rigging. almost always case. if sounds too good to be true usually is. i'll agree these situations do appear but on whole not indicative what truly constitutes advantage play net. ug offered blackjack player around 0.6 difficult lose couple years ago then mysteriously players began reporting their far short ev. they've since changed dropped some favourable rules poor business practices stiffing last throes. don't know about diamond vp. i'd very suspicious also. streaky fair overall. could made slot machine wouldn't surprise me least. 6222 reliable net casinos wondering hi im if anyone can give me some advice on where to start play online. i want make money using the generous sign up bonuses but wich trust any aprecciated 6223 black window was ok for me... jethro good bonus. kept most of it playing bj. when i cashed in complained that hadn't received my money yet and they put 10 more account. then to paypal the next day. software is piss slow. also has one better comp schemes. 6224 start with the big ones... kx i would advice you to try flagships of each softwareprovider. in this way ll play trustworthy casinos and learn which softwares like. my advices inter casino cryptologic gold club boss media gaming microgaming las vegas usa real time playtech english harbour oddson geisha lounge cytech 6225 once again... kx their blackjack is streaky but probably fair overall. a black jack game rigged. if it s streakier than land based then the not random and thereby perhaps you mean that believe they pay out proper percentages though having rigged this what i suspect with rtg... ve only tried diamond won t do again. was fooled by sticky bonus bj very to me. 6226 hmmm. well for what it's worth... roywil black widow wiped my deposit and bonuses out in about 20 minutes. call it bad luck or whatever but they'll never see me again. 6227 what do you call small and large roywil maybe could give percentages. 6228 right just called their customer service 6 deck not 1 deck. roywil so bet2gamble had it wrong. but yeah you can withdraw original deposit at any time. would still give a try what do call large bets say if deposited 250 percentage in general 6229 i'd add one more syd to kx's list....casino-on-net. it proprietary software but supposedly very trustworthy. i think black widow sucks. 6230 plenty more... kx there are lots and of other trustworthy casinos. i just wanted to list one good from each software provider. but you right con is very good. not a place for bonus hunter though which wondering seems be . proprietary too... stanley acropolis lasetters crown games global player name some. 6231 actually... kx the best ev-wise is to bet 100 so just as large you dare depending on how much variance can take... for me it depends alot what type of promotion i play. if s high wagering req. ll place larger bets than otherwise. and cytechs loan -bonuses well all mgs cash out min 300 put very 10-66 bankroll . 6232 not a good place for bonus hunter bill baggins con has probably the most dead cert profit out there. or have they changed their sign up terms recently regards b. 6233 starting to hunt pboy if i could do it all again and hopefully will soon my friends get their goddamn credits cards together .i would start as did at microgaming.these are reasons 1.100 for 100 bonuses. 2.low play through requiremnts. 3.can cashin dep anytime you have lost the bonus. when around helping go micros first. then playtech even though results been bad think they good a few of others depending on size bonus reqs. eventually become whore try anything such bossmedias 20 bonuses some cyrptos crazy but now not anymore rtgs.i am sick shit. lot people dont trust micro bj say too easy pass up. 6234 answer. kx they used to have 20 50 per payment method. now it s only . me this is not a good promotion even taking into account the small wagering req. especially for newbie who probably doesn t want deposit 1k 6235 bonus play requirements easyrider just divide the given in this case 25 by amount required to before you can cash 5x bon. deposit 250 1375 . so is equal 1 55...really easy. -easy 6236 10 bonus pboy to take advantage of these kind bonuses and actually this is ok as you can cashin dep anytime so have no risk. i work it out like this.say deposit 1000 get the 100 free.so that 1100 x5 5500.say if flatbet 5 .that about 1500 wagered an hour.so will say 4 hours.approx 25 hour course bet a time be 50 hour. but obviously more bigger chance losing what your dep. not bad would try myself my credit limit was think should check wol mercedes company or maybe ask scarce kx. dont caught up on he at any casino matters. 6237 i believe that black widow... homer j. simpson ....is rigged now they are using playtech's software. deposited 50 and lost it all without winning a hand. realize this isn't proof but may make you think about playing at different casino. good luck. -- 6238 yes. wiped out in a matter of minutes. same story as you basically. nt roywil 6240 the proof is in pudding...and that sounds like to me nt roywil 6241 how do i take a screen shot jack schwartz have windows 2000 does somebody know can i'm playing at cloud nine casino and the dealer didn't pay me on winning pai gow poker hand. by way they offer 75 100 bonus but you only play vp 8 5 job slots or to complete 900 wagering requirement. game is really screwed up... often fouls his hand putting highest pair up front he doesn't lose because of it. was paid one time when should pushed now won. no idea if overall odds are correct in this game... so far am breaking even. probably avoid place until get their act together. i'll report back whether for cash out o.k. - 6242 screenshots dude21 there is a print screen key on your keyboard. most keyboards it's next to the scroll lock and break keys. just press it then go microsoft word or graphics program ctrl-v paste shot. 6243 cgames dude21 it restricts access to ip addresses from usa australia and new zealand so you need an outside those countries get in. it's blocking me out if know easy way around the problem let know. 6244 thanks jack schwartz i thought this would be a software feature so looked in the windows 2000 help file where there is no mention of it. clearly was fool not to realize it hardware and mentioned files. for help. 6245 well... bill baggins ...this is a game of opinions and i think this probably the best safest first offer for newbie to play. can understand people being wary depositing 1k or not having it however. have con discontinued there 50 bonus paypal deposits regards b. 6246 proof... kx i would say that proof has some value. sure 10 consecutive losses happens but it s very rare. 0 57 0036. so 3 6 times in a 1000 will happen. not impossible if several more ppl show results as bad this could definetely be proof. had to deposit three able meet req. at grand banks. the strange thing is ve no problems with playtech other places banks and black widow been mean. 6247 yes... kx they have discontinued their 50 for paypal. do you seriously believe that the con offer is better a newbie than example inter casinos or usa risk free 100 offers 6248 certainly scarce do you seriously believe that the con offer is better for a newbie than example inter casinos or usa risk free 100 offers yes. simply because most newbies won't realize they can cash out at any time intercasino usa. intercasino's present of 1500 still pretty good comparitively speaking. new york and are close to worthless in my opinion 5000 . high incidence spam from them affiliates also suggests desperation. 6249 still... kx even if you don t realize the possibility to cash out before meeting wagering req. i would say that intercasinos bonus is far better than cons think receive equivalent ev of con player has deposit almost 500. this alot money for average newbie. especially since one biggest steps newbies make a risk losing and cc-fraud . regarding usa-casino we have different views. me it s fast playing paying bonus. two aspects value highly. 6250 reply scarce a streaky black jack game is rigged. if it s streakier than land based then the not random and thereby perhaps you mean that believe they pay out proper percentages though having rigged it's as clear-cut that. some software just has clumsy rng which generates more pronounced streaks seemingly should. whether that's by design or product of ineptness anyone's guess. this what i suspect with rtg... ve only tried diamond once won t do again. was fooled their sticky bonus bj very to me. rtg cytech playtech are all . playable borderline. really don't look at so much consider know isn't ringing endorsement for online play. bonus. confusing manner in balance comes off wager would lead one but case. when receive withdraw your immediately. each time you're allowed 20 whatever reverse withdrawals reaches zero total amount. may be beside point now play requirements higher ratio 80 50 making offers quite unattractive. 6251 black widow minimum bet. peter does anyone know what the bet is on if it's 5 you can forget it. that means with a 50 deposit 10 losses and you're out. one should never be betting more than 2 of total at once. 10-loss streak not too rare. i've had many. my best winning 17 wins out 20 3 pushes. now what's likelihood funny enough i still ended up losing it all after by being stupid.... how casinos tell until actually start playing also blackwidow 6 decks. don't like that. dealer has or he hardly ever busts. noticed carribean gold. 6252 it depends who the newbie is bill baggins as i said above some will be hesitant about depositing a largish amount 1k or may not have bank. quite understandable. for those do fall into this category playthrough at con and their excellent record of payment make virtually impossible to profit. true intercasino bonus. so which better starting point can afford in situations where there extremely low no risk getting deposit back surely paramount consideration should bonus comparisons i.e. 20 on with far superior 100 match 200 excessive playthrough. just my opinion. regards b. p.s. academic anyway reasonable bank you playing them all simultaneously. 6253 yep it is 5 nt bill baggins 6254 then that's way too risky a promotion imho. nt peter 6255 no they switched away from ug a few months ago nt spiller 6256 opinion scarce most places do show the min bet in their screenshot of game or on webpage. any event if you've never played at a place before play free mode first. as for 5 min's being too high it depends requirements this particular promotion. you received 3x offer would obviously be worth doing. 8x 2x something similar then probably gamble. but whole is about risk assessment sense. whatever feel comforable with. 6257 bet minimum jerry richardson its a nuisance but i email the casino support before downloading and generally always get an answer. that stop me from sands twice. in regard think reviewers wol oc bjol others should indicate bj minimum. incidentally some have 2 5 for multihand. 6258 reply once again. kx it's not as clear-cut that. some software just has a clumsy rng which generates more pronounced streaks than it seemingly should. whether that's by design or product of ineptness is anyone's guess. actually. i don t believe the providers have problems with their rngs since this an easy issue to solve . but even if we assume that case doesn matter. game rigged produce perfectly random results. one things audits for example pwc there check... wether properties are intentionally issue. s casinos responsibility proivde working and they rigged. 6259 further reply scarce that is one of the things audits for example pwc there to check... no you're mistaken. just checks payout percentages and are soley responsible accounting. again we can choose disagree on this subject. i have a very low opinion most software net. it's rather more degree which some places rig their games base my decision where play or not. 6260 bonus play ratio jerry richardson easyrider thanks for the ratio. it occurs to me that a percent or rating based on decimal times 1000 might offer less mathematically-inclined little easier use comparative measure. 1 55 becoming 1.8 18. playback of 10x would become 10 100 and 1200 william hill 40 monthly be 3.3 33. what do you think now has cashin page which tells how much can withdraw your deposit versus amount in account. incidentally when i signed up july have sworn terms conditions stated playack was 10xb wasn't bad. guess mistaken but 30xb is lousy. also been my experience higher actual he harder end with any after commitment met. 6261 i m not mistaken. you are... kx http www.microgaming.com pwc_reports_bj.shtml 6262 strange scarce for some reason i thought pwc had discontinued this. how meaningful is it better than nothing suppose the gameplay. and name makes getting paid a near certainty although those waiting on goodfellows are probably still skeptical . 6263 hmm... kx i m one of the ones waiting for goodfellows but now feel quite confident ll get my money. mailed last documents to pwc today. what do you mean by name makes getting paid a near certainty if casino defaults thought it was up mgs whether or not players will paid. choses pay them payments be handled won t thing. s your impression 6264 my impression scarce i seem to recall that pwc pretty much forced microgaming's hand after the tropika fiasco of a couple years ago threatening end their association if microgaming didn't settle all claims. at time initially said they were not in any way responsible for licensee's debts. check out old threads wol late 2000 . 6265 any problems or rumours about roxy palace nt kyl bill 6266 guess i should thank pwc for goodfellows clean up then nt kx 6267 they wanted photo id and util bill mr deviant since my winnings was only 20 i haven't even bothered. 6268 do online casinos actually pay up dude21 i've identified several advantage playing opportunities in but a bit hesitant to play for real money yet. credit card companies refuse deal with them now thats sign of the crookery going on. did anyone recieve paychecks more than 1000 from cas if so which ones are most reliable honest i have any legal rights or they completely immune persecution those little island-countries thanks info. 6269 does con have a re-load bonus peter i see you get 20 on your first deposit. one anything successive future deposits 6270 yes they do - a search here as this is regular plea nt bill baggins 6271 simple answers. gambler 1.the more you win the difficult to collect. 2.you have no legal rights. 3.be prepared accept worst and expect it. 6272 easy solution to your ip problem tzmz emigrate 6273 logical... dude21 thanks but could you quantify number 1 1.the more win the difficult to collect i realise they are not going keep writing paychecks some guy who walks in with 50 and starts winning 10000 per week. what value can realistically expect an online casino cough up before it gives on me 500 0 6274 not many j. t. sweet a few small ones 25 50 here and there. but . con is very generous with spot bonuses. these appear in your account after you play are chosen at random based on bet level. 6275 virtual grand question wagerthru does anybody know what casinos are their clients beside the harrod's group which bars u.s. players thanks for any help. 6276 sorry meant grand virtual nt wagerthru 6277 jupiter club excludes roulette craps baccarat blackjack and video poker asap what's left seriously need suggestions for low house edge game easy to learn play. must play purchase once receive bonus then seven times in order cash out. 6278 addendum-no sic bo or casino war just slots and keno. asap as for they have fruit fiesta treasure nile which are at least familiar names. any suggestions per slot strategy 6279 carribean stud 2.6 edge jack schwartz called cyberstud poker at microgaming casinos. since the double-sized play bet that you place with ak or better counts towards wagering requirement house on your total action is only . see wizard of odds for playing strategy. - 6280 most pay. jack schwartz i've been paid by 100 casinos and am currently having trouble collecting from one. some are very slow to process your withdrawals they sometimes screw things up in such a way that it takes long time straighten out. there is no particular reason worry about larger payouts gotten 1000 quite few times. fact the bigger often get processed quicker sent express mail rather than regular mail. credit card companies cutting off service these places mostly due legal liability political pressure stop enabling gambling activities. only play at have around while established decent reputations. do research here winneronline onlineplayersassociation elsewhere. - 6281 one more thing gnossos when i use print screen with word don't get an exact replica of my screen. but scr excel it works great. 6282 paypal not taking any more gambling transactions kyl bill i heard that is being taken over by ebay and will take gaming this true when it happen 6283 some of them... kx royal london beehive imperial casino elegance lux treasure 6284 check wol jerry richardson according to articles on winneronline.com paypal has stopped funding sporting betting now and will stop online gaming by yearend. i thought firepay would step in because they were advertising for ebays' customers. however it looks like neteller is the one are sure easier use. anyone heard something different 6285 thanks kx... wagerthru ...i believe the last four are closed to u.s. citizens but i'll try first two. also for your many informative posts. cheers 6286 paypal the party is over. ricardo i just got a message from homebets.com that they will not use anymore for depositing and aug 28th no more withdrawl actions. bad news as was very good way to handle gaming business. can someone suggest anything else replace how neteller you let them have your credit card etc send money other account this important if are helping friends then need method give take money. what do guys think 6287 me too nt anon78 6288 i guess still do not have this bonus stuff straight jerry richardson according to wol one of the online author gurus picks dr. ho casino as his favorite casino. they offer a 20 welcome matched up max 1000. play back reuirement is 15xb 15xd for 50 deposit and 10 that would be 900. further will return any money until full requirement met. if my understanding process correct pay out per cent close 100 in example last anywhere near completion requirment. am missing something or bummer 6290 wol pboy yes this is a waste of time.i think lot people at are not bonus hunters but pure gamblers who go back to the casino again where they have been lucky at. their say favourites just best places play ones with bonuses period. except rtg 6291 it's the victoria's secret nt scarce 6292 kx please email me dude i need to get in touch with you privately. may do so anonymously if like. 6293 pboy is right bill baggins wol mainly populated by online 'gamblers' with a few exceptions. i think it useful to read but would take lot of the advice posted there proverbial pinch salt. dr ho bummer. just go on bonus amount versus playthrough in relation that as guide. regards b. 6294 three stooges. ralph wol has excellent info that i have benefited from and many sincere experienced players take the game very seriously. did it occur to you people this person posting of how great a casino is might not necessarily be gambler at all but simply an internet schilling troll who sneaks in comment or two ever heard them can guys overlook being money makers are me just so dumbfounded 6295 you are partly right jerry richardson the person who selected dr ho may very well not be gambler. i don't know if am in real sense. have been student of gambling since thrope days and three or four hundred books all which read. but much a risk taker only make 2 bets blackjack. after getting familiar with online done okay doubt won more than 5 hour maybe even that. then generally didn't win at land casinos either where played couple hours twice week before had to stop. anyway can go wol see for yourself. selector was mark balestra is author complete idiots guide gambling. he shill has advertising banners on his web site as do oc others. end its up player investigate pick casino wants gamble at. there sure enough them. cr 6296 blast21 ksuha hi there just recieved promotion code from but not sure if it's good idea to try it. 100 up 200 wager 12times b d cash-out or d-. any sugestions how they pay winning and loses streakes. thanks. 6297 hell no scarce wagering 12x is bad enough but adding on the stipulation that you must cash-in more than amount of bonus awarded absurd. this offer implicitly a no-risk by casino lest any nasty abusers try to take advantage their good will sic . basically they're trying have cake and eat it too. also blast21 recently joined noxious ranks extreme illicit brethren. just having some fun with flowery language. stinks so do those casino's. 6298 what is wol nt not a sucker 6299 www.winneronline.com johndoe21 wol - 6300 bugsyonline bonus ricardo they are offering 200 on purchase of 100 . you must play 1200 before cashing out. when cash out will be deduced from your balance. if i understad the way to this is as follows low possible and try stay even until wagered now suppose that left with 300 actually only yours. bet whole in one hand or two hands 150 so can double down loose won it. lost then it means win 400 have 49.5 wining 50.5 loosing think a nice edge. course chances not end but rather around 280 math same. any comments anybody 6301 basically correct yes. nt kx 6302 good promotion questionable casino. kx a 100 up to 200 is very even considering the high playthrough requirements. requirement that you have cash out more than d b or just doesn t affect ev if play correctly and nothing i would care much about. regarding casino it s different issue. be careful... blast21 has like scarce said teamed with extreme but this important not under old management. don clue wether new management bad so your choice dare taking risk. at least they ve finally set phone support. also seems rtg sorting some problems now though end getting paid by chances of help improved. 6303 none --if u live in usa casino can simply decide not to pay you back and cant do a thing. folks will say that oh is problem but imagine are running on an island someplace real warm..you have deposit 100 million usd big casino. could close up shop keep all put it t-bills 5 spending money the rest of your life. if get bored open new under assumed name some other island...and more .... stations owner many properties vegas bought 50 interest online ---as brick casinos buy ---there may be safe still as current laws structured off shore zero recourse given us courts resolve disputes between parties engaging illegal activity. 6304 probably the complete opposite is true scarce credit cards can have chargebacks made to them in states. gambling debts are not enforceable and especially for online casino's. it's basically a 50-50 street as far risk goes both player casino. 6305 more mg casinos not allowing bj bobby i'm coming across and offers that do allow to count toward the playthrough. i've noticed this most at casinos. still playing but i have play video poker which has much variation. full pay jacks or better heard you lose rate of 10 when are hitting royal flush. yet hit one in about 7 hours play. lost a 15 over period. it hasn't been fun so far. anyone else had any luck on flush dollar machine did casino 4k 6306 thanks jack schwartz asap just did jupiter club deal and had 40 profit with cyber stud poker. for the guidance. now to get paid although little worry mg. 6307 yes no but asap did hit a 1k royal on quarter job and got paid at an mg casino. 6308 cinema casino no longer accepts bj for bonus nt wagerthru 6309 vp return la gambler i've wagered about 1800 at jacks-or-better betting 5x 0.25 a time. i have not yet hit any royal or straight flushes and am losing rate of 11.4 . anyone know if this is lower than expected no are 6310 they paid me relatively quickly 10 days nt jack schwartz 6311 bet big first jack schwartz you're better off betting right away so that if you tap out save time and don't have to pay the house edge on 1200 in bets. double through or reach whatever win goal set for yourself then small until finished wagering requirement. also can increase your ev by going higher goals which of course increases variance as well. - 6312 i just did blast21 and not feel comfortable at all peter the first 100 hands were disastrous - lost bonus more. somehow clawed my way back cashed out deposit 30 of so was still worthwhile. unbelievably fast a hand can take 2-3 seconds. how many decks is this game reckon an 8 deck really worth playing as dealer hardly ever busts 2s 3s 4s when you stand on less than 17. even 5s 6s he busts. get 4 blackjacks in 5 lots 21s. always lot happier doing mg single games. there often below don't know what to think rtg it rigged know. if could explain results. 6313 vp return cipher yes much lower. in 9 6 jacks or better only .55 of the is because straight flushes. 1.98 comes from royal. if you've played 1440 hands 1800 and lost about 205 11.4 then that result worse happens 3 time. 6314 cipher jondo what if i always held 3 to the royal vs hi pair or some times drew an inside straight with 2 high cards 6315 netgaming.com ricardo they are offering 200 match play. anyone tried them . what does it mean that want to see my billing statement i should show all latest paypal action is safe do that. can refuse pay me if other casinos in records saw gambling.com. this site on our side thanks. 6316 dirrent approches paddyboy ok there are a lot of these kind bonuses around and basically you have an edge at all them but it depends on the tncs. in your case whether can cash deposit anytime if then that is good bet big when feel comfortable take risks before meeting terms so what lose bonus still cashout init.dep one which says only cashin after meteing play conservatively until terms. lets say meet with 300 account do remember 100 this hard money.i would not full why because get split hand or double down will more own money. situations like risk money dep no loss. 6317 that won't work peter let's say you've met the requirements and got 300. when you wager 100 that's your deposit you're wagering not bonus. so if lose it can cash out zero. i know from experience. didn't read rules properly couldn't thought they meant had to have at least bonus amount in account out. started with 300 a really bad run down 70 but managed eak my way back 201. could 201 i'd done more than double cauz took long win again casino gave me big fat one dollar. good faith should've asked whether wished was obvious hadn't understood terms told them make clear rules. don't reckon these 200 bonuses are worth it. it's like going loser's mentality. 6318 strange paddyboy this is fucked up.so basically the bonus not a well unless you win bet. hmmm it like going to casino where buy in for 200 and get betting chips but have give them back when leave. only good about that if lose still another make bit of money with i suppose too bad better than nothing. 6319 where is the e.thorp of e.casinos paddyboy has anyone done really extensive mathematical research on online gambling i know norm wattenburger plays them and a close call calculator at his site. but what am interested in how to evaluate bonuses mathematically. ie risk ruin win rate ev so things like which better. 100 deposit for 45 bonus with 5x d b cash any time or 200 3x cant do we these wise profit seem go anytime ones first maybe wrong. think need an matters. kx scarce who going be our thorp 6320 jerry pboy how can you screw my sister sorry just been watching js. anyway if want where the new bonuses are go to wol they always up date . but advice on make money off them come here. e.gambler bj21 e.bonus hustler 6321 c'mon doobie c'mon. is it really that hard for you to figure out analyzing advantage blackjack was oodles more difficult than the current situation of bonuses. edward thorpe would be embarassed at comparison. 6322 thorp not thorpe..to avoid embarrasment'nm' nt jacobite 6323 jacobite wongs vp software can answer that question 6324 avoid bobby the consensus seems to be that they cheat. i played before knew this and got lucky. you can read all about it by using search feature. 6325 homebets unlimited bonus sound dodgy kyl bill what is a reasonably safe amount to deposit there without much risk of theft. i wonder if the software cheats 6326 i think you should write to paypal and complain nt kyl bill 6327 where is this search feture nt ricardo 6329 ricardo - look at the top of paage. nt austin boy 6330 depends to what degree the casino is rigged nt powerman 6331 i like neteller better 0counter just started using at poker.com and it than paypal. is faster their support plus hate paypal anyways for reasons wont discuss here. 6332 i got nailed badly at homebets. peter obviously can't say for sure they were cheating but played 5 a time over number of days and every ended up losing. basic strategy to the tee you're allowed double on any 2 cards after split. was only playing 1 my total. short while doubled bet 10 still what happens - lose big time. this one where remember dealer 23 out 25 hands 6333 you may not get paid wei i have been waiting for their payouts since 18 july 6334 that's why i call it a loser's strategy. peter only helps you when lose. know can't determine the outcome of session but going in knowing is useful if lose to me way thinking. stay away. 6335 i am certainly not qualified to act as jerry richardson the edward o. thorp statistician on optimum bonus deposit play. easyrider has worked out a calculation which you might find helpful. because of my interest in subject matter simple spreadsheet calculate whether would be dissapated before one could reasonably play required back for combination selected. this result is directly related payout percent achieve at casino are playing. general it projected software and corresponding win loss per 100 hands or whatever multiple choose versus amount bonus. obviously generally harder earn some 40 than if 30 times william hill apparently using requirement their monthly bonsus stop abusers. according projector your 200 plus with 3xb 3xd should 155 95 2 basic blackjack 450 plays excluding ties 900. think calculations correct but they will give idea. don't know who offering such playback terms seem pretty good me. trend been towards higher multiples. maybe experts board willing offer opinion 6337 try this simple formula red jacks if you are playing basic strategy bj then the house advantage is .5 . so want to know how much action until bonus eaten up by edge. goes into 100 200 times. multiply x amount of bonus. that betting at which and edge has completely evaporated. your can make 20 000 in bets before on average gone. not bad. stupidly play roulette 5 it only takes 20x 2k above example. i think read haywood book. 6338 simple. kx to me ev is everything. risk of ruin doesn t matter in the long run. basis just see how much money you get bonus - house advantage wagering requirement it could also be wise set this relation need deposit if have limited cash resourses and or are not sure wether can trust casino . 6339 bad loss rat about 55 unit on 677 hands played how often does a like this happen anything odd at all or am i going emotional the game happend stanely acropolis p felt both honest and rigged lol 6340 all i can tell you is... roywil played their for fun bj sevral times before deciding they too rough me. got wiped out time after time. that said several on this board assured me were ok. so...as usual who knows 6341 results not out of line dead elvis your loss was about 2 sd's to the left. but this assumes you were flat betting. if varying bets is at all unusual. 6342 betting pattern rat i was 2 units after a win until lose. on all the other hands 1 unit. 6343 that's why i wish all bonuses had these rules jack schwartz lol bonus seem to be very effective at keeping most hunters away but they don't bother me in the least and i've done quite well them . so if casinos offered would abused far less often there more money for long run - 6344 what do you think of this smooth rob is an interesting concept in online team play http 64.55.203.168 cgi-bin view.cgi cm-420 check it out and post your thoughts 6345 do you keep track.... jerry richardson of the house advantage obtain for each blackjack session or sessions. know how many are .5 versus 5 have a cutoff successive losses i would think that 6 in row cut into bonus significantly even when they count against playback. 6346 here's the catch... johndoe21 i just looked at it and this looks like additional qualifications to participate in teambuilder program optional must contribute two hundred dollars us 200 toward cost of establishing personal production company ppc setup for their activity. personally recruit nine 9 players into organization. if sounds too good be true probably is... 6347 the catch is optional... smooth rob after re-reading what they have to say on site 200 join optional. if you wish recruit 9 members and receive a bonus based their production may opt-into plan. therefore it seems like 6348 it's a pyramid scheme nt scam alert 6349 suspect you are right about that - nt jerry richardson 6350 very interesting. roywil please educate me why you think this is or should be effective. thanks. i appreciate your input. 6351 stanley acropolis aceshigh only played there once but when i did had a pretty sizable win playing blackjack betting positive progression. seemed fair to me. 6352 any advice on casino net me myself and a one eyed jack i just started playing there it seems good so far. bought in with 50 bucks was up to 110 3 mins cashed out 40 bucks. no going get heavy until am more sure of them. thoughts at all paybacks software reliablity fairness thanks. 6353 what's your strategy for dealing with them then peter you only gain from if you're losing so lose more than deposit given some leeway a bigger variance that's all. it will still take lot of work to get back the bonus lost and deposit. you've won nothing 6354 no it's not bill baggins if as you state played 2 units following a win until lost let's make rough guestimate of the proportion hands bet on - say 30 this is off top my head so please don't shout . your average would therefore be 203 x 474 1 unit 677 1.3 units. sd sqrt 1.1 37.2 loss 55 or 1.48 sds away from ev. corresponds to probability 0.14 in other words could expect see result time approximately every 7 sessions. progression has effect ev though it increases variance but does spice things up and get through playthrough requirements quicker. sorry at work bored. regards b. 6357 sorry rat my fault i realized this as was trying go to sleep. using avarege bet in the original post. betting pattern post wrong 6358 not effective rat its more fun than flatbetting and it improves winning streaks. really good in a streaky session but sucks when you lose every other bet. i like tha fact that bet 1 unit losing alot of hands row 2 units on streak. 6359 my 50 has become 730.25 me myself and a one eyed jack do you think they will bar for wins like this i figured would try them out am not real comfortable with an off shore online casino the thing is little more trust worthy but now buy in won 680 above in. does anyone have anythoughts as to whether or con actually ever pay if was cash 500 of check get 'lost mail'. any ideas about at all be great. thanks. 6360 strategy for 100 in ev jack schwartz 1 deposit receive 200 bonus. playing bankroll 300 2 bet 3 of your at bj until you have a balance either 600 or 0. will double-up little less than 50 the time. if don't tap out small amounts satisfied minimum wager requirements then cash out. when win time net profit 300. lose buyin. is just under per trial. variance relatively high but there are 20 casinos with this offer so play them all very unlikely to overall. can increase by going higher goal which also increases variance. - 6361 kidding right they ll pay ya da money nt rat 6362 you will get paid nt bill baggins 6363 if you stupidly play roulette .... bill baggins this won't count towards wagering at all and in a high proportion of cases will result forfeit the bonus. haywood is out date on this. response to jerry's post ev calculations need do them should be based house edge that particular bj game are playing against has. percentage hold casino have basic strategist commonly taken as an average 0.5 for simplicity's sake although course varies with rules. payout percentages quoted by casinos another thing altogether higher than each none strategists greater disadvantage thereby increasing casino's reducing payback percentage. take during sessions not really relevant we fair games tend long run. there then so never know regards b. 6364 cutoffs red jacks i don't worry about the tenths of percentage differences between different bj rules on net. see reason for a stop loss. you play until you've given enough action to make withdrawal reasonable in their eyes. expectation does not change because result previous bets. say loose 490 500 deposit. if still haven't earned bonus then which is an average positive. it's as started with 10 deposit and part playing requirements finished. long stay below 200x over time have advantage. 6365 stop fretting con pays dead elvis for your win is nothing. it won't even raise an eyebrow. you will get paid although if you're being by check take a couple of weeks. 6366 our thorpe is probably too bust playing nt anon314 6367 any problems with 'good as gold' or 'big dollar' nt wagerthru 6368 none aside from tapping out at good as mold nt coldsteel73 6369 any sugestions about atlanticinterbet ksuha hi just received promo from ai. 50 up to 200 in bonus money. withdrawl dx10. i think it's sweet be true. who played there recently please some brief notes this casino. thx. 6370 it cant be a pyramid scheme smooth rob can't because they are capping enrollment at 2500 people. schemes never set limit on the number of people that can join. require new to keep entering program viable. this doesn't have feel it... 6371 not very good. kx on the first hand you are only risking your own money borrowed for free. best would be if there was a game that just gave slightly less than 50 of doubling then ultimate to bet entire bankroll. unfortunately isn t. better strategy above is 2 100 save split or double . in this way ll risk casinos as well and will total which increases ev. 6372 return percentage bobby are you sure a royal only accounts for 2 of the even when max coins played that doesn't sound right and i've experienced much worse return. 6373 reefclub netnewbie any word on reef club casino if i win will they put my money back credit card never played for online. 6374 it's nonsense dead elvis you don't need this orgainzation. run walk for joint. if that link above is an affilate or advertisment it will be busted i'm sure. 6375 thanks and so then general conscencous on con me myself a one eyed jack is there concensous whether or not they cheat steal 6376 they don't steal dead elvis as for cheating . well if are aren't blantant about it. but you're money is certainly safe. 6377 me too. nt roywil 6378 thumbs up easyrider i won their 100 bonus waited week or two to cash out then was paid in 4 hours. one of my best online experiences date. 6379 the above was regarding gag nt easyrider 6380 thanks for all responses nt wagerthru 6381 about as honest they come... john may ...with the exception of australian casinos which are government regulated this is probably most operation around. 6382 further general advice john may stop worrying about getting paid. use the energy more productively. you will get paid at least 95 of time even dealing with very dodgy operations and con is far from dodgy. take it for someone who knows. i'd have made a fortune online if spent less needlessly. 6383 avoid grief club la gambler despite being a very new casino reef now better known as has already earned bad reputation by retroactively changing terms of their sign-up bonus and even taking back the from some customers who met all revised terms. is member cassava group which includes on net. i've had good experiences at intercasino blackwidow are both well regarded. search previous messages will yield more recommendations. 6384 try reading people's replys - no need to ask the same question twice nt bill baggins 6385 where do i sign bill baggins i've just lost my ability to think freely. point me in the right direction. b. 6386 questions pensive gerbil are you suggesting playing two hands for 100 each even if the game does not allow das this strategy may result in having enough money left to follow basic strategy. i would have thought that ev cost of possibility outweight gain betting bigger i.e. 2x100 instead 1x100 sure is case agree jack's be better a which allows best there was just gave slightly less than 50 doubling then ultimate bet entire bankroll. unfortunately isn t. what about baccarat how 300 on player house edge around 1.24 compare your bj big need before one off risking it all hand 6387 royal return cipher here is the output from game analysis in winpoker for 9 6 jacks or better i hope it's ok to post this hand name payout frequency prob. occurs every of ret. flush 4000 64.345748 0.002 40390.55 1.98 straight 250 284.08995 0.011 9148.370 0.55 4 a kind 125 6140.1617 0.236 423.2722 5.91 full house 45 29919.766 1.151 86.86431 10.36 30 28626.273 1.101 90.78932 6.61 20 29184.676 1.123 89.05221 4.49 3 15 193489.19 7.445 13.43207 22.33 two pair 10 335990.70 12.928 7.735214 25.86 5 557697.91 21.459 4.660157 21.46 nothing 0 1417562.9 54.543 1.833400 0.00 total 99.5439 variance 19.51468 6388 surely you'll get nailed for a bonus abuser if you did all 20 casinos peter question out there to anyone. who has done say 50 without being labelled an 6389 seems fine to me jack schwartz i played there lost all of my bonus but they paid very quickly. nothing to-good-to-be-true about it it's a rather mediocre compared what's out there. the blackjack rules are terrible over 1 house edge so you're better off playing video poker full pay job . - 6390 i haven't been nailed yet jack schwartz played all 24 of the golden palace affiliates in a short time span. won about my ev. got no heat at all. fact was called on home phone number and offered an additional 200 bonus several casinos where had big. john may has good quote thread above he mentions that would have made fortune online if hadn't worried so much honesty heat. concur 100 . don't worry am only little bit cautious looking out for cheating software or non-paying casinos. it's paid off far. overall i've close to without being labelled abuser. - 6391 baccarat is not allowed. jack schwartz you are allowed to play roulette or craps. otherwise they all might be options. i don't quite understand kx's post above. clarify my strategy start with 300 bet 1 hand of blackjack for 3 your current bankroll until tap-out double-up. that doesn't mean flat-bet 100 it means continuously adjust up down wins and losses . this allows split double one time think the cost being able a second very high. actually in worst case scenario casino buyin mid-hand if have enough funds complete double-down. haven't thought through how would effect overall matter first make does include any bonus money. string bets cause use last 200 will still capture ev excess bankroll. there no house edge flipping coin exactly same as coins 5 win lose 300. prefer at once but hurt much bj game. do see method close let's call 94 more accurate... assumes 0.5 on 1200 action can argue - 6392 completely ignorant unknown i've been on these boards for a while but never cared to read the net casino page. i have counting few years with decent win rate. am very interested in making some money hence title of whether or not it is possible safe waste time. any suggestions sites techniques ways get started etc. are greatly appreciated. under impression that w on-line casinos timely and should be done small stakes. please correct me if i'm mistaken. thanks advance. 6393 not really full pay job........ sa ....check out their payout tables. agree that this place should be ok. scares me though. if good places like one are admitting bj a slot machine-ish term there ever was is 97.73 you have to assume plenty of other software games as bad or worse. playtech comes mind -5 . 6394 unfortunately approved by opa. probably opas largest mistake so far - kx have a look at this thread http www.winneronline.com ubb forum1 html 005274.html 6395 answer. kx i haven t made any calculations but m pretty sure anyhow. the probability of bs ending up telling you to increase bets on both hands in a game which doesn allow doubling after split is very low. also even if this would happen have good chance having one hand where extra bet affects ev little. difference variance rather big and therefor jacks strategy will lead quite bit more wagering lower ev. 6396 intelligent agent pianoman where can i but a software robot to play blackjack unattended with online casinos shoot me an email. thanks 6397 right and wrong. kx yes the ev is very close to 100 undepending on whether you use mine or your strategy. bonuses are good too which i ve tried explain here earlier especially now since they back at offering 200 instead of . same applies all mgs casinos requiring cashins atleast d 2 b. about coin flip. in this case there a house advantage that why we want wager as little possible. my strategy increases variance - decreases average amount wagered bonus. if have winning streak using would not money thereby missing out possibility increasing bankroll more. 6398 also... kx why go ahead until you reach 600 earlier were allowed to cash out immediately but now have meet certain wagering requirements. i would stop after meeting requirements assuming a win further will only decrease ev. 6399 just imagine..... bill baggins ....on your next visit to a casino you buy in for 100. suprise the dealer gives 200 chips and tells that may take whatever have left cage after wagered total of 1000 dollars. then move on again surprise get worth are told must play 1200 before cashing in. this carries throughout town with varying requirements. but regardless venue always seems give more than expected. bothering count situation no. do use knowledge basic strategy yes is edge grotesquely huge compared achieved via counting yes. need bank withstand variance welcome online advantage play. not as taxing or stimulating certainly profitable especially players whose bankroll sufficient substain higher stakes bricks mortar started look into past posts here. there wealth casinos out question often asked. start low requirements at solid reputation. if questions about specific search nothing pops up ask question. regards b. 6400 me nt asap 6401 very interesting. impressive too. peter so all these stories of guys being labelled abusers means they probably did something wrong somewhere without realising it and got nailed. some guy said he 20 casinos only nailed always wagered more than required covered with slots jack how long has taken you to do 200 6402 we mostly agree. jack schwartz kx- i think agree for the most part. hadn't considered playing 2 hands at once because had only been single-hand bj game. didn't really pay attention to multi-hand game probably thinking it worse rules like mcg casinos . also my strategy incorporates need complete 4x wagering requirement so was looking bets that cost minimum in ev while still generating decent variance. basically any betting pattern is approximately our two strategies will work fine further refinement barely worth effort. another high-variance may be better long run bet 25 job video poker and then continue doubling your win until you double stake or lose all. option a breakeven bet... do this whenever balance drops 50 less. about some more seems me are off 1 bankroll hand of than 3 on simultaneous bets. variance 150 higher 100. all trying maximize evcost ratio. being able split one 0.2 top no das again however discovered can buyin mid-hand if necessary. dangerous since add real bonus which reduces value important suggestion re-think post above where state should stop have won amount completed requirement. friend mine thought same thing recently... he ended up with 400 after wanted cash out his 100 profit. easy show instead cashing profit gamble try reach 600. results gain 60 ev. see why ignoring house edge 66 chance reaching 600 total 300 200 33 tapping - net 166 current win. as generate reasonably-priced going big using large best bj. actually am now might entire buying dd split. worst happen push relatively rare. -jack p.s.- convinced go extra immediately lost hey it's just math talking vary 6403 maybe i'm just lucky jack schwartz frankly i am surprised haven't gotten any heat so far. it is because bet bigger than the average bonus hunter. have been lucky. started playing bonuses in december 2001 and worked kept doing it. wasn't paranoid about being labelled a hunter or cheated partly didn't read of these forums know better. case what you got to lose even if are there plenty casinos out that not affiliated with each other will usually only cost few made . think many screw over big way they decide as long follow rules won't steal your money. consequence don't get back where started. does seem game getting tougher time tightening up. now more wary bad reputations for paying out. i've lost money overall at non-brand name software suggest sticking mcg rtg crypto bm cytech unless casino has great track record. - 6404 payout percentage on bj jack schwartz i don't think this is necessarily an indication that the game not random. quite a few casinos advertise payback games are around 2 rtg comes to mind although mg also do . means they have held of all bets made at their unreasonable given strategy average player. watched other people play casinoonnet and cryptologic i've seen some worst possible. plays so bad you wouldn't be allowed make them b m casino because dealer players would yell for being idiot. really know if aib uses fair random software its but statistics mention evidence either way. -jack p.s.- pay schedule job seems full-pay 1 3 4 6 9 25 50 800 what am missing here from actual website. 6405 why not start with coldsteel73 http webhome.idirect.com blakjack 64000.htm sure worked for me. altho promos and requirements have changed at some of those recently i don't know whether the site is updated. net bonus hustling seems to pay rent then some. sadly you much time before demise paypal which really seemed great gambling. also there be a wave revision promo terms going around lately make them more bother plow through. but think that just delays inevitable house probably their overall detriment imagine. cold 6406 do all world gambling formerly starnet sites deal a rigged bj game coldsteel73 or if not could they to player so desired casino bar was site... i wonder should avoid playing at there are some would play knew trust them. thanks for any advice. cold 6407 there's a lot of cheating going on anononek i didn't used to feel this way but that is my opinion now. think many the major sw providers now cheat. there powerful incentive do so. competition very fierce and bonuses are industry standard give out bonus money ensure house has good return. in old days fair game was enough times have changed. 6408 sorry meant buy not but. - nt pianoman 6409 apparently i hadn t given it enough thought... kx are u sure about the higher variance for one 150 bet than 2 100 in multihand do you have figures of if right then that is surely better move. and yes assuming willing to risk another 300 ultimate must be entire bankroll. also agree might with 25 strategy or more on vp. s way go at mgs cash out d b casinos. advantage trying reach 600. bashing myself not having thought far... but other hand will work any amount. lets compare 1200 your when 600 a win playing no casino edge yield 50 chance reaching 900 0 loss net ev 5 - 400... this continue indefinetely. so ultimately decision versus ev. sometimes hard just using take example play game where get flip coin. three times deposit back. same percentage bankroll everytime 1000 flips how many percent should easy see highest yielded bet. problem ll only once 10 converge approx 500 heads tails amazing me. 6410 nice to see a betting big friend kx i must be lucky too... ve played since year 2000 and between 200 300 casinos. still haven t been labelled bonus abuser or not received winnings assuming good fellows will finally solve . it s you apply the bets strategy too jack. me pensive gerbil have had long discussions at wol gamemaster respectively show that this is increases ev. 6411 so how much have you guys made from the bonus thing peter assuming your're not taking massive risks. i recently had a tough time at mg site. was betting only 1 of my bankroll and still ended up losing 70 before clawing way back to 50 loss which deposit as it 100 . hell if i'd bet even 2 would've been cleaned out. funny is leave for while come next day get creamed. day. makes wonder but probably coincidence. 6412 we ve been all wrong... kx i just realised that the ev of those promotions isn t approx 100 it is 200 if they are played to maximize when your winning goal tends infinity probability losing casinos . this gives an 200. example assume a 30000. with initial bankroll 300 and no casino edge you have 1 chance succeeding. 0 01 29700 - 99 198. problem variance gets very tough 6413 thank you unknown for the responses. i will start looking at some sites and doing searches previous posts so can gather more information. i'll make sure to post trip reports after get my feet wet. 6414 yes you've got it jack schwartz kx- i mentioned this without explanation in my very first post above also you can increase your ev by going for higher win goals which of course increases variance as well. realized that is a confusing concept so focused on simple example double-or-nothing. i'm glad to see working through the expands go approaches 200 asymptotically. there are two things hamper from capturing full 1 variance. everyone has some risk-averseness. eventually will be risking 1000s few bucks ev. not worth it. 2 cost bets. since no zero-cost bets available making destroys additional gain table max 500 even if bet entire bankroll every time would churning have stretches where lose-win-lose-win really costs terms. decide what right goal me made following chart excel wingoal chance 600 50.00 100 900 33.33 133 1200 25.00 150 1500 20.00 160 1800 16.67 167 2100 14.29 171 2400 12.50 175 2700 11.11 178 3000 10.00 180 3300 9.09 182 think anything much than due hope makes sense - 6415 casino bar was not a world gaming site anon314 casino-on-air is the same people as bar. few years ago they used to be starnet gaming. then moved their own proprietary software. i would worry more about individual operators denying you bonuses upon cashout for abusing bonus programs. 6416 it still seems low to me sa peter griffin once estimated that the average unskilled player played with an edge of about -2 . however i believe percentage skilled players is much greater online than on land. after all internet bonus hustling probably easiest form advantage play and also most accessable. if you accept above two premises then think a valid conclusion 97.73 or lower as have seen numbers in 96 range for bj at other sites indication rigged game though not very badly definitely playable. but this assumes your playing decisions actually matter. am approaching 200 casino mark more places they don't least much. when see showing x payout expect my ev be worse plays same their number reasons thinking way won't waste time reciting these because fact remains can't prove any this. 6417 g'luck thatch good luck and keep us posted. regards 6418 i agree. kx the increase in ev is very small when u go to higher levels. but do think that 1200 could be wise choice instead of 600. assuming one plays approx 20 those promotions variance should bearable. then ultimate question remains games fair so large bets won t cause software win more often 6419 really is it that simple to collect brick ....on your next visit a casino you buy in for 100. suprise the dealer gives 200 chips and tells may take whatever have left cage after wagered total of 1000 dollars. ....also imagine being closed remodeling 20 unanswered e-mails begin realize they are good not mention all other ...well i dont time explain maybe someone else will. rather absurd assume or mislead anyone into believing collecting money on internet from gambling as walking real cash in. 6420 infinitecasino ksuha hi. i'm on my wagering way at atlanticinterbet. doing pretty well have 120 of bonus money. will post a result. any latest news about how they pay how's their games thanks. 6421 what has been your experience brick nt coldsteel73 6422 did windowscasino.com vanish coldsteel73 i've never been there when i try to go over the past few days can't get site. is problem on my end or theirs some necessary trick besides typing in www.windowscasino.com thanks cold 6423 incorrect asap the casinos who plan to stay in business have no real motive cheat since there is already a significant edge for them an honest game. those do and get caught lose trust ofthe cyber-public which very bad business. i doubt you any basis claim. done about 50 deals now my results are compatible with expectation one would from games. 6424 unknown if you're not a austin boy patient person by nature i would advise playing online. net casinos will drive you nuts although so far haven't been stiffed once i've spent many hours begging prodding and screaming for payment. thank goodness the technological marvel known as email. somehow can grit my teeth be nicest guy west of mississippi when i'm trying to track down few bucks. true stories abound people getting ripped off mostly their winnings but sometimes even deposits. while very sites actually pay within expect gnash your up month or more at some others. ok still ready try this here are three suggestions 1. neteller firepay. set accounts both. credit cards most don't work anymore. paypal useless soon. 2. unless like gamble bother without bonuses. read re-read bonus terms conditions before deposit. have had nasty surprises because didn't carefully. 3. same streaky get in regular casino worse good luck fun take anybody too seriously. 6425 can i get a legit blackjack game bruschj hey guys i'm new poster have been reading lot of the posts both past and present though. i've with sportsbetting.com for over year now but until recently only used it sports betting. played first time couple weeks ago on site. promptly doubled my money scoring blackjacks 20 hands galore. didn't take me too long after lost all in barage stiff killer dealer about 3 sessions this initially started off successfully to realize that was rigged. so number online casinos programs anyone throw quality casino join deals an honest doesn't bitchy when try withdraw isn't bonus hunting slow or suspect sending also got contact youwager.com otherwise known as fidelity deposit cause they were awarded 1 offshore sportsbook by magazine. proceeded then harass hell out join. any event does know anything these recommending one great make regular thanks -jb 6426 question for john may or others wagerthru just wanted to ask a few questions since you were involved in online advantage bj play very early and have more of persepective on how it's trending. obviously playthru requirements gotten tougher making many the smaller bonuses available seem almost worthless. what's your global view industry at this point mentioned that it might still be possible make 50 000 by playing high-roller sites but elsewhere you've expressed an understandable reluctance leave large amounts money with questionable operations. places offer best essentially sportsbooks casino games side. are there any would recommend thanks help. cheers 6427 here is some data to support anononek anon314 the casinos who plan stay in business have no real motive cheat since there already a significant edge for them an honest game. those do and get caught lose trust ofthe cyber-public which very bad business. i doubt you any basis claim. done about 50 deals now my results are compatible with expectation one would from games. let's say they put extra 0.5 -1.5 hold on their that increase by at least factor of 2x-4x. how know after just cherry picking best out if someone cheats don't enough data. slight fix blip your radar screen under all variance. 2001 wagered over 3.5 million dollars online lost rate 1.9 action before bonuses. vast majority wagering was games supposedly house less than . can combine this several other people more including anononek. isn't proof anything but much better forth. year has partially because clue fixed not. hit few big royals ahead schedule. 6428 i say anononek don't give any of these places the benefit doubt it is far too easy for them to cheat. major providers know what they are doing can easily add a few tenths percent house edge and do in way that would be undectable except with very sophisticated analysis gathering large amount data . as concerns about getting caught well tell me who going catch there virtually no regulation those areas offer toothless tigers. kanawakes online gambling world aren t damn thing. us have been around awhile this. fact will gaff game because can. competition fierce. more casinos than avid gamblers. giving bonuses rule w o carrot casino gets little action. solution all problems put fix in. believe s there. 6429 how do you feel about rtg jack schwartz i would love to know your opinion of blackjack. what is the house edge playing basic does this vary by casino similarly appreciate opinions microgaming cryptologic playtech cytech software and others for which have good data. much appreciated 6430 i did fine so far... jack schwartz played most of these when the bonuses were 200 50. won my ev for what it's worth. which isn't all that much given variance. -jack 6431 the wild west era of internet gambling pianoman in vegas before mbas and grb stepped cheating was rampant. there is broad consensus on that from every reliable source. read thorp ortiz forte humble even griffin. ask yourself what deterrence now for inet casinos compared to then brick mortars i'd say miracle any casino ever plays fair a hand or two. 6432 why i like rtg software anononek 1 they will send you a complete audit of your play. the record shows all hands played result and cards that made up those hands. i've had records sent immediately after playing so know weren't able to fix records. doing little number crunching didn t see indications overt cheating. these reports have nothing hide. 2. every time ve checked my long term bj results been consistent with games edge at moment m not sure what it is but s roughly 0.5 now possible has sophisticated in place or could game future for think fair least enough negate bonus . this problem online gambling most part are relying on faith. unfortunately while may deal there many other reasons players should be extremely cautious when sites. payment problems abound outright stealing occurred more than few times. main point this. conventional wisdom places won cheat because don no longer valid. deposit vehicles very big issue only handful attract frequent who drop lot money. sites struggling shut down. powerful incentive gaff game. careful keep close track results. if re give an idea where casino larger be. 6433 answers john may just wanted to ask a few questions since you were involved in online advantage bj play very early and have more of persepective on how it's trending. true though it was intellectual initially. i had some difficulty transferring payments the days. obviously playthru requirements gotten tougher making many smaller bonuses available seem almost worthless. well don't make much difference your edge variance. doesn't for example cryptologic raise their multi-player game is technically countable they actually lose savvy counters by raising playthru. what's global view industry at this point am worried about us government's jihad casino gambling. first year its inception that analysts downgraded potential value gambling sites. also traditional terrestrial bookmaking forces use political muscle damage fledgling industry. mentioned might still be possible 50 000 playing high-roller sites but elsewhere you've expressed an understandable reluctance leave large amounts money with questionable operations. think neccessary. concentrate small core operations find ways beat them other than bonus hustling. not something should discussed open forum can e-mail me if want know more. places offer best essentially sportsbooks games side. are there any would recommend thanks help. stanley con always get lucrative promos offered last materialized . intercasino excellent operation good recurring bonus. like those big gameday bigbook sportbooks deals. i'm surprised no one else has noticed sportsbook connection quite perceptive you. 6434 aprreciated your post austin boy. nt unknown 6435 if you want just the one... john may i don't really recommend patronizing one operation but intercasino are best since they offer recurring bonus for low-rollers anyway . pay like clockwork usually. 6436 i agree. rtg is fair. kx in fact believe one of the reasons that so many casinos are having problems with paying their players they offer good bonuses and a fair game unlike most other providers... my opinion mgs offers rigged game. boss bad but playtech pretty unsure about fairness. crypto mediocre except intercasino . cytech oddson 6437 me too... kx but i ve done even better at the mgs-equivalent... not played very many though. been told before that one will be labeled abuser if plays more than 4-6 so didn t bother especially when bonus was lowered to 50 100 . after hearing you them all m going go once again. 6438 about right anononek although i'm leaning towards cytech being rigged. i agree with your other sw opinions. 6439 what about unified gaming peter reason i ask is because gambling.com are offering a special of 100 match bonus for up to 300 at 4 casinos getabet island sportsbet and one other. only catch you have keep your deposit there 30 days but can retrieve winnings. looks like good deal how legit the software 6440 don t know haven tried them yet. kx seems like good bonusoffers. my advice to you is check out opa gaming grumbles and do a search here at wol. then tell us the results 6441 the absurdity is...... bill baggins .... your inability to read a post correctly. try again and take note of sentence advising starting at casinos with solid reputation. if you do so cashing in will be easy are unlikely experience any payment hassles. course not get paid same timeframe as b m casino. but who made that claim first place looking up 'analogy' dictionary it may improve powers interpretation. regards b. 6442 big time rigged nt anon314 6443 how do you know it's a pity as the bonuses are best around peter now for some math. if say put down 300 and get bet only 5 time. that's less than 1 of your bankroll. even game is rigged bit does that mean could still lose it all by betting such small amounts. 6444 hmm i seem to recall something... kx wasn t it unified who offered a really good game of bj where the payout was above 100 and this so much used that programmer went public with he had been forced by manager redesign program casino would have big edge as question wether you can lose your money in rigged is impossible answer. depends on playthrough requirements but even more how is. 6445 much thanks john... wagerthru ...for the detailed reply. good point re multi-player i hadn't thought of it. have done con and stanley is next but there are a number these sportsbooks that i'm curious about. first fidelity pace name seems like most solid with one best bonus structures. if nothing else you should check out james bond graphics it's casino page. by methods other than bonus-hustling assume you're referring to sportsbook arbitrage you've discussed here on sharpsports. find it hard believe still many opportunities in this area. doesn't existence betbrain.com its ilk tend wipe market inefficiencies kind also seem read posts theprescription majorwager etc. about or worst from casino's pov lines coming outfits can't pay. may drop an e-mail time answer. change subject mentioned your grandfather's work as wwii boffin don't remember was at bletchley park. do think there's enough for book his wartime activities we probably go would care further this. cheer 6446 can't be right. some guy on the winneronline peter forum says virtual casino is offering a 100 match bonus for 2000 - 5000. deposit 5k and get free impossible. 6447 not impossible croupier i've just recieved an email for a 100 match on 20 000 from them if i were you i'd listen to the up and coming bryan bailey show at casino gazette - believe he will be running story 6448 go ahead and tell us how you do quickly get paid. nt anon314 6449 if it sounds too good to be true... rimmer ...it probably is. the bonus may true...but game will anything but. i believe virtual requires you lose full amount before get second half of bonus. judging by what i've heard about you'll have no trouble getting 6450 here's the details boneus here is offer make a deposit of 2000.00 to 20 000.00 and receive up 000 free at bottom e-mail this bonus rules 1 special promotion only for members virtual casino. 2 coupons dxhcu applicable on your initial 3 max cash out with coupon tevpq 10x 4 you must play 9x before out. standard casino apply. furthermore note highroller's match will be allotted one deposit. in player receives 50 front another if loses their bonus. expires 8 23 02 est. hmmm... it says. sounds like type that lose or money whether hand won lost. so have 1000 would expect get about 500 real average . now we dig into may either 25 amounts received any under 250 whichever amount less. winnings made from plays involving noncashable 75 left account are available time withdrawal provided all been met entitled off amount. therefore reality matching which can't more than however unclear rule applies phony 100 likewise playthrough could apply 150 full 200 let's say you've go 2000 3000 but expected 2500 when done money. then 27000 36000 action depending how terms interpreted. after can maximum 2250. what's start making hail-mary bets hope win few times over 750. as far getting back bonus... well do haven't reading messages site should probably click ga link lower side web page. overall it's heck lot risk likely gain maximum. 6451 no tracking bruschj this looks like a solid operation with good words said about it. i can trust that is the equivalent of casino dealt blackjack game in terms honesty and lastly do all online casinos track -jb 6452 ok anons your basis is bigger than my asap i didn't realize anononek had pushed such a number through last year although am aware of anon314's exploits in general sense. bow to collective expertise. agree that catch subtle gaffing near impossible. thanks for the interesting responses. 6453 virtual casino dongambler you would have to be nuts deposit anything in that range with this group of known thieves. 6455 proc cyber services want documents ricardo i have created a paypal account under my name. played many games and got maybe 10 different checks from pcs to the same address now started 'helping' friend. again in about 8 of these places. unfortunately only won 3 them name did not arrive nor any email that is saying are on their way. when emailed they said personal like drivers licenses utility bill etc what does meen this just routine happens if show with all playing activities let me know you guys think there 650 pending there. 6456 routine. nt rimmer 6457 it's routine bob fisher it seems to be after a while just send them the documents. no need anything about paypal account usually dl and utility or bank statement are enough. you unclear as role of your friend. if everything matches including used fund casino should ok. not e-mail call proc-cyber 888-326-2602 ask. sure friend has reported honestly regarding non-receipt checks he inquired credit card was they may want copy cc well. 6458 the vp doubler and required action banana4 do any of you think that may not count towards in some these casinos i've always been a big fan as 0 ev way to ring up lot quickly but recent experience makes me skeptical. i was playing at well-known respected mg casino which has positive reviews here elsewhere. cashed out after what counted about 130 action. they wrote back said no only had fulfilled 65 requirement. now it wouldn't surprise be off by little can't imagine having put half much personally estimated. my hypothesis is this place doesn't doublers does make sense from casino's point view all are making absolutely money doublers. yet see appear ts cs. could certain aren't counting telling us if so i'm bit concerned -- usually between 30 -75 over above requirement every many places have down someone who cashes very shortly thoughts 6459 it doesn't count with mg bob r if you look at your points cash-back accumulation on casinos will see that get no credit for doubling video poker. this is also apparent from the playcheck logs there's indication doubled only final win loss noted. 6460 a case of bad luck at mg peter woah. talk about luck. jees. my latest foray microgaming put down 50 played 2 hand. after 40 hands 27 losses pushes 11 wins now that's big hectic i'd say. maybe just or not. almost every dealer card was 10 and he got lots 21s. is it true works to the payout percentage then gets whatever cards chooses win bust 6461 ok now 3 dealer 21s in a row is bit too much to stomach. peter what i cannot understand that have played many micrograming casinos and liked about them was they went streaky. if you perfect strategy bet 1-2 of your bankroll at time would come out even. my last 2 forays here been disastrous. one had 200 play with only hand it downhill 90 the way. true person winning big while you're online someone else has lose 6462 any body tried market betting mobile87 i saw this site looked interesting. . do you think can trust it. can't imagine how to crunch the player odds on thanks mobile 6463 they'll nail you charlie i wouldn't be so gung ho about getting these bonuses. think that jack schwartz must lucky as and the few others know who hunt bonuses have all been cut off from golden palace people after playing a handful of casinos. is an old group with lots experience they will bonus hunters. even took my deposit when said was hunter had no recourse. this in july. 6464 terrible rtg results good mgs jack schwartz it is odd that my are opposite of yours after 300k in bets i'm winning at 0.2 rate. very poor 13000 losing 2.5 casinos i've done particularly poorly while betting large 50- 100 hand so win even worse than what would be expected on average by the -2.5 there any chance blackjack programmable individual such will vary depending where you play have people made money playing generous ongoing 25-30 promos many sites offer how can they afford to continue offering these juicy if game fair - 6465 different nt car 6466 golden reef probably nt car 6467 intercasino bill baggins this is only a personal opinion but i am either having the worst run of cards have ever witnessed or there something fishy about blackjack game. played last five monthly match bonuses. not managed to keep any bonus on these occasions flat betting 5. believe game be rigged. may especially case for those players who deposit only. my and usually loathed make unsubstantiated accusations against an online bj suffice say will playing again. just opinion. regards b. 6468 my opinion. kx i play almost all crypto casino every month and only for bonuses. bet pretty big to increase ev decrease playing time as explained earlier . some months get mad when losing everywhere very quickly others m happy getting significant wins from several places. overall about 2 years the game has been fair me. 6469 sorry to hear that scarce i've only lost once this year there. and i play per month. 6470 25 isn t that much... kx especially since several will require you to play through deposit 6-10 times before receiving the bonus... key is always players keep on playing. i believe many be happy with walking away 50-80 left of a 100 bonus. think few ppl walk lets say 10 also mgs-casinos offer more than frequently. 6471 ripped at intercasino boneus i got intercasino. thought it was just bad luck the first time so played a second bonus offer and even worse. started out playing multi-player for low wagers painfully slow but had usual kind of expected good luck. as soon went over to individual table 5 minimum incredibly consistent losing streaks every time. 6472 golden reef results ok for me asap i've done 2 small promos and been profitable on both. no problems with them to date. 6473 ditto exactly my experience. they won't see me again either. nt roywil 6474 playcheck logs banana4 thanks for the info. where do i find these you speak of 6475 i guess was just lucky peter did intercasino twice and both times lost the bonus half my deposit before clawing way back to cash out deposit. found game very streaky thought would lose everything. i'm having a tough time with microgaming at moment. can't seem win all. i've never had problem them before. if flat bet 2 on 100 play perfect strategy go down till nothing is left casino edge of only .5 that shouldn't be happening 6476 hope you don't live in ny plover looks like paypal has agreed to restrict access online casinos for residents a settlement reached with the state. hey once it's better nj 6477 infinite has gotten worse bob fisher casino used to be great. now it is getting much worse. they give a 50 bonus with 12 d b wager requirement. 24 for bj . have lowered the gambling requirement only 8 but no longer allow as well several other games. your best bet 8-5 jacks. deal still ok become suckers offer. after you play long enough bar first from bonuses and then playing at all. 6478 five roses and or golden comps ricardo did anyone try these places are they honest it seems that each of them have a 100 1200 game. any one 6479 what rat they let you keep playing when only play with bonuses i thought would close your account after a few months. how long have been doing this. and dont say anything 6480 use the search feature nt scarce 6481 i just don't get it. every single time i've played a microgaming casino peter in the last week lost. and big percentage of my deposit. it's not like am messing around. playing perfect strategy flat betting minimum. know what to do anymore. losing battle. wonder if they're gunning for betters or something 6482 and it gets worse. 4 wins out of 24 hands no joke. nt peter 6483 not the good ones scarce i've been playing at intercasino for about 36 months with zero problems. problem is really that a place will bar you their right after all but they'll do something nefarious such as rescinding bonus or keeping stealing player's winnings and deposit. those kind of places give whole industry bad name. here's what i mean windows also e-mail tell why they don't want your business anymore. cash in chips you're done. on other hand extreme has known to keep some cases worse. then there are idiotic methods slow-paying installments. if find yourself hellhole you'd be better off writing any casino affiliated them also. bottom-line camouflage necessary all. get barred somewhere fine. go play else. reasonable it only last resort. scummy probably doing favor anyway. 6484 even better. out of 17 doubles 12 lost 3 pushed and only 2 wins peter all according to perfect strategy. not one double 11 has yielded a 10 yet. 6485 microgaming blackdeuce you need to tell us the casino peter. looks like they may have flicked on cheat switch. 6486 imo mg bj isn't random monkey boy i keep telling people but no one listens to me . sigh. 6487 it doesnt make sense peter thing is i never had this problem before. the casino 7sultans. previously when did mg casinos always felt them very fair - not that won every time but right. better than rest. my last couple of goes have been disastrous. maybe they got a list bonus abusers and flick cheat switch you play 6488 i see why basic strategy doesnt work in mg peter if they adjust play to their payout ratio no matter what you do will win or lose the hand as determined by mg. someone else is up big time then has same plus more keep same. this true read it on winner online 6489 right that's it. another streak of 10 losses. peter no more microgaming for me. they've just lost a customer. 6490 works for me droakland the past 10 months i've been playing thousands of hands on microgaming blackjack. i use basic strategy plus composition-dependent changes. won and lost but have never felt cards were anything random no different than real in a land casino. by way if there was cheat switch i'd be prime candidate. dro 6491 no it s pure bs. nt kx 6492 there is a cheat switch... kx i m convinced. not sure if it s turned on when the payouts have been too high for while or chosen players but pretty one. ve played all mgs-casinos and most of them several times. after having period 5 consecutive losses 1 5-2 sds also 8 out 10 sessions with big was anyone would show results that as good mine bad consider changing my view. 6493 i can't monkey boy if anyone would show results that have been as good mine was bad consider changing my view. are almost always bad. 6494 hurray it's back nt coldsteel73 6495 voodoo nt bill baggins 6496 another mg casino - same result peter loss of over 50 deposit. now what happened to the .5 edge every i've done in last week lost. single one. biggest problem is statistically anything possible. you could lose 20 days a row and may not have been cheating. you'd just be unlucky. 6497 goldclubcasino 100 up to 1000 ksuha gold club casino is five-years-old and we're gearing for a celebration that's out of this world 5 years online - long time in internet time. as we blow the candles our birthday wish share fun excitement with you so we've put together special offer -- match bonus on your next deposit simply make into account we'd love it from there terms conditions page. trick i think it's too good be true. 6498 vip offer scarce gold club casino aims to surpass the expectations of all its members but honor most loyal players has created exclusive membership clubs lounge and club. each new member or is awarded a special initiation bonus. are then continually surprised throughout year by exceptional complimentary gifts bonuses. given advanced notice games features at casino. they also enjoy extended deposit withdrawal limits. hosts work promptly answer members' e-mail messages satisfy their personal requests. in other words have casino's staff service initiated into once deposited total 10 000 during 6499 conclusion bruschj thanks you guys have enlightened me to the information i needed and was a degree looking hear.....online casinos are racket i'm going stick with dealer cards can see my two eyes in 3 dimensions otherwise known as real casino. regards good luck -jb 6500 not that statistically weird john may sorry for your loss but i'm absolutely certain this is just sd. the 5 min bet was problem. depending on what exactly bonus they were offering much then even perfect crypto bs would have you within a standard deviation or so of having wiped out. i actually got complete ror deposit one month. my overall results however are positive and pretty everyone else i've discussed with. won 85 month 100 - 15 . think you'll find now lowered minimum lot more favourable. putting money where mouth here-i can send via paypal we split profits 50 if really its rigged all lose time. 6501 smaller bets decrease ev not the other way around... nt kx 6502 ok bill baggins i have just been offered a 5000 match by intercasino. if you would like to transfer those funds asap will be happy split the profits. regards b. 6503 cough...splutter john may erm sorry 5000 thats not a standard deal. is that typo i don't recommend anybody play match bonus of size under any circumstances. goodfellows went bust offering 250 for 200 deposit bonus. was paid by intercasino last monday but if they are really much take it all back must be just trying to make fast buck and then skip. i'm convinced there has been misunderstanding here though. 6504 minimum bets peter for what it's worth i've lost everything betting only 1 of my bankroll doing perfect strategy. at mg too. the intercasino thing is risky - 5 on a 160 80 you can get wiped out quite fast. now surely way to go play multi-hand that count cards. but i understand casino edge anyway higher casinos cant multihand with deck 6505 nope john may your bets in this case are negative ev. the larger they more risk you take on. smaller better. exception would be if were card counting but i think it unwise to try and count a game where 2 decks of 8 dealt so was assuming no one trying though some my pals here have tried . 6506 it depends... pensive gerbil if you plan to play each month's bonus then betting big would have minimal effect on your overall ev for all bonuses played when unmet wagering requirements are added subsequent requirements. i thought this was the case at cryptologic casinos. do they somehow limit amount of past that carried over future 6507 and the world is flat bill baggins it was a joke. can i have 5k anyway regards b. 6508 no you can't john may and please use emoticons in the future or you'll give me a heartattack 6509 i don't think so pensive gerbil believe all of intercasino's bj games are dealt from multiple decks. also read that their solo tables shuffle after every hand rendering counting close to worthhless. 6510 ev bill baggins is the same regardless of size bets if house edge you are playing against remains constant. for a 200 playthrough whether make 2 100 or 2. only thing that bet affects variance. kx correct he she inserts hourly into title post i.e. smaller decrease as takes longer with thereby reducing expectation. theoretically better player wants to reduce variance assuming fair game course . this statement therefore misleading it stands. regards b. 6511 i have no emotions nt bill baggins 6512 please post a link to this casino rob mcgarvey i think is an aqua style like golden palace. if place 10k they will give me 5k which require 135 000 in action. the most can win 100k and lose 5k. 20k 270 200k 10k. 6513 goodfellows check came in rob mcgarvey everyone else getting theirs microgaming is the bomb of online gaming no question. 6514 not worthless at multitable... kx they have 8 decks and pretty low penetration but sometimes you ll a significant advantage counting i usually don t though . 6515 ev increases... kx the of a bonus is determined by amount - wagered assuming you get money upfront which do at almost all bonuses your will increase betting big. reason that have higher risk busting out and therefor not meeting wagering req. thus decreasing in equation above. some cryptocasinos carry over to next month. those casinos larger bets won t ev. pg me had long discussion regarding this both wol gamemaster. gm wiz agrees theory. 6516 ev is a theoretical construct bill baggins expected value in online play figure based on house edge and wagering requirements. bonus amount - x requirements i am sure have seen you qoute this before. other words the players expectation according to he she playing for considering disadvantage against game being played. however know this. can see your argument about reducing need negative games by betting higher. point trying make though it may be pedantic one that are not talking here but won. real amount. they same. particular remains same regardless of bet. higher variance associated with bets increases likelihood tapping out therefore logic total won again assuming fair where determined bet size . just matter terminology. regards b. 6517 good points scarce ...i'd also add that house edge for online play is theoretical and a matter of some debate -- at least on this board 6518 they know boneus the biggest problem is statistically anything possible. you could lose 20 days in a row and casino may not have been cheating. you'd just be unlucky. of course this. that why if cheat right way can't proven will get away with it. i suspect as on-line casinos more competitive all software vendors forced to an extra built-in house advantage or able sell their software. play eventually consist new players who quickly money bonus hunters trying come out ahead despite rigged offer better bonuses attract limited supply players. this means bigger games. only for make game but good bonuses. think we are transition stage now. games still fair enough there steady found few getting fewer every day. honest these also looking quick kill. now seeing worse offers existing by increased eventually. since most attracted any compete do same. where does leave hustler terms conditions intentionally misleading tricky. it become extremely important how read interpret terms. work lot placing smaller wagers even slightly wipe large bettor. unfortunately finite resource sign-up prevail re-deposit outweigh game. in-turn create bunus hustlers use multiple names claim many resulting increasingly difficult withdrawal procedures require sorts proof identity. industry recognize self-destructive behaviour adopt policy honesty integrity gain trust growing number majority us seen won't see happen. whew sorry didn't intend ramble on like that. 6519 watch out babe golden comps has been known to look deep for reasons not play big winners. 6520 i got a streak of 10 wins yesterday in mg casino nt rat 6521 link... sort of. boneus i can't get onto the virtual casino web site. a time-out error. software works fine though. however they have many sister casinos that all look same and terms. i've included link to one of these aboard below. think terms are identical point even use name in them. as far your statement this is an aqua style like golden palace. if place 10k will give me 5k which require 135 000 action. most can win 100k lose 5k. don't case at all. it's more deposit possibly match play chips 50 ev for only 2.5k requires then any amount but withdraw maximum 6250 could 10 000. additionally you would not want than since limited 25 bonus or 250 whichever less. it creates interesting risk-reward analysis. very likely chance getting out with much action requirement considerable bad luck rigged game. must say felt game was entirely fair. my return has also been oddly perfect about 99.7 . 6522 are you frigging insane scarce ..the most could lose from this pack of thieves on a 10k deposit is... guess what ....10k dongambler is correct. experienced online players avoid these scumbags like the plague they are. 6523 what does random mean anyhow easyrider just because a site offers totally bj game that doesn't the is like regular land-based one. they could draw from pool of high and low cards at convienient times still make claim even though odds are different quite disadvantageous to player. 6525 went to link rob mcgarvey i have played that version of bj and also consider it fair. the bonus rules look more like unified gaming type never heard these people before. without a name mg behind them risk seems rather high. often tried deposit at casino with my visa cc which is fine every place else they will ask me use another method one where can't charge back if things go sour. that's first sign rats in book. oh well......... 6526 like a fox nt rob mcgarvey 6527 not entirely correct. kx for example mgs has their game checked supposedly by pwc randomness. regarding the black jack it s clearly stated that odds of getting any 52 minus cards on table in a deck should be equally large. 6528 i m actually talking about ev... kx the ev of a certain bonus is in fact theoretical and it s value as said before amount - house advantage average wagered not wagering requirement . made mistake last post forgot ha sorry that. betting larger means you will on bet less because even if tap out have already received your won t be forced to pay back so for someone infinitely small bets formula req. he she never therefor always meet big instead above mentioned where than since constants while changes higher bettor. 6529 pharoahs casino - player has the edge peter wow this must be too good to true. pharoah's amazing rules soft 17 stand double any 2 cards after split. all with 1 deck and what's more you can play multi-player one deck. now that means count those should have edge. i missing something. 6530 mg casino 2 5 gambler-man hi might need to get a coffee or something stronger this is long but well worth read for what it i know that most of the talk about bj think software not as scam proof people have been lead believe. instance joined in april year since time spent close 3k my own money. now am big bet maker 0.50 - max on vid poker dueces wild all play playing one night and losing again contacted duty manager by phone expressed following concerns every would good hand stall if waiting throw back useless cards. delta playcheck stats were looking extremely out sync. was uncommon see 3 pages containing 90 95 negative delta's. after he tried baffle me with assume normal run around stories unable be tampered we our monthly payouts reviewed pwc so on. far connection drop it's your internet service provider cable modem average d l speed 500kb sec u 350kb don't fine remarked unfortunately you able did occasions rig server are exactly going admit had look at records said overall down little nothing concerned maybe just put gamblers bad luck last word check up stalling me. never happened either. however gesture faith gave gift 50 no through conditions. wow spenders. anyway played without any luck. didn't here while month until 1 felt like flutter could bothered hassle registering another sake spending 100 bucks. bets ranged from .50cents matter cards held got incredible even royal flush only described due business commitments return monday gone. hmmm yep same thing stalled cr p basically bleed dry. ranges .50 cents i'm loser can afford lose. being take ride cheated. sent an email stating saga saying view wrong naturally template letter returns decide copies playcheck. log into hit button told access either logged it. trying guest account. great locked took screen captured real player also capture gain files. then these along please explain returned apart say how honest upstanding contained words suggest anymore . send informed them kindly addressed way within rights ask questions. added more than happy make formal complaint kahnawake gaming commission which under their licensing agreement do full audit logs. fixed refund total deposited funds polite promised ceo personally they away friday will contact american est. paranoid thankyou 6531 an even better deal anon314 i think this is aqua style casino like golden palace. if place 10k they will give me 5k which require 135 000 in action. the most can win 100k and lose 5k. 20k 270 200k 10k. a brand x java casino. i'll do you one better. let fly to carribean. wire add your account. tell how much want bet hand know or lose. only need 25k action for deal. up 400k 6532 if you don't like to lose stop gambling and go ga meetings nt anon314 6533 you are playing a big-time losing game. anon314 now i am not big bet maker 0.50 - 5 max on vid poker dueces wild is all play for one 96.7 and according to your post sometimes 50 cents hand so aren't even full coins when do that less than 95 with perfect play. since this game begin it would be remarkable if were using the correct strategy getting about 92 return out of surprised only down 3k have been way april. clearly regret money lost gambling. at point two things do. buy book video or online gambling from our friends pi yee press stop cold turkey call gamblers anonymous. 6534 sounds good rob mcgarvey tell me where to meet you and i'll send de posse wit benjies pick up mon wait i can check your dns them over right now 6535 unified gaming peter i know i've asked before but island casino getabet etc on gambling.com are offering a 100 bonus up to 300. wager 6xd b. heard iffy has anyone done these casinos. pretty awesome bonuses. from my experience even if you play 5 hand 600 bankroll could still lose it all as happened with me at homebets . see disappeared gambling.com. 6536 weird john may mine hasn't and i'm only a few hours away from mg's evil fortress of doom. nice to know you got the dosh back rob. 6537 i played there and got whacked beware nt cheeky chappy 6538 i did very well there. peter but it was one of those where streaky so if you lose big. managed to cash out d 1.5 b 6539 ug bonuses i think are worth half of what they say... coldsteel73 because the bonus once it arrives at end disappears whether you win or lose bets. still sounds good to me tho would search this page's recent history for comments before playing any net casino. cold 6540 proc cyber scamming me or just broke wagerthru i called the infamous e-cash processor after not receiving several checks. they said that checks were 'pending' because photo on my driver's license was 'too dark'. sent in documentation a few weeks ago never bothered to e-mail about this hold up. had call them. question is are these guys solvent seems like pretty lame excuse. 'lighter' version of so i'm still waiting see what happens. anybody similar experience thanks for any comments. cheers 6541 probably not to worry asap one wonders though if the next requirement will be pick up money on person. 6542 i have the same kind of truoble ricardo 3 chcks pending for me .i faxed them everthing they want and now said that did not recievce fax. then picture on my dl is clear enough spent a lot time comunicating with these guys. am very angree. too bother to let know documents. only after two week when asked 6543 my solution asap in the one case where documents didn't fax clearly e-mail well incidentally i really do believe they were not getting clear copies or attachments since am adept at that asked for a postal mailing address and sent them via snail mail which was slow but did resolve issue. surprisingly bit reluctant to give out address. can't imagine why. 6544 not to worry.... anon32 same thing happened me. waited no ach. called and was told they need documents thanks for telling i paid 2 days after the were received. 6545 not fraud just slow and incompetent anononek welcome to online gambling - 6547 crypto casinos pensive gerbil in some of the cryptocasinos not meeting wagering req. will carry over to next month. could you be more specific how does intercasino hand this issue unmet 6549 golden palace. what's the deal ricardo they are offeing 200 for a purchase of 100 . no terms and conditions cited. can be trusted what kind bonus is this aer minimum requirements anyone 6550 use the search feature... arrgghh scarce there's only about a 100 posts on subject here already. golden palace. what's deal 3 -- ricardo 25 august 02 7 a.m. new an even better 27 anon314 23 6 49 p.m. link... sort of. 17 boneus 10 58 please post link to this casino 30 rob mcgarvey 33 they'll nail you 21 charlie 2 48 i haven't been nailed yet 38 jack schwartz 11 any problems or rumours roxy palace nt 19 kyl bill 14 from what can gather cash out bonus 40 peter 1 34 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6562 calculate sd rat im interested in knowing how to blackjack sd. anyone care explain this big shuld the sample be have any meaning you could use as an example happend me after i won some played 167 hands lost 95 57 pushed 15 thats a 38 unit negative micro swing. 6563 we are talking about different things bill baggins to me in online play expected value is a prospectively calculated percentage or monetary which indicates how much particular bonus worth. by definition the word expectation implies calculation that estimates future value. hence do this i need take wagering requirements into account as only predefined relating have available. an analogy here from card counting would be using estimation of hands dealt per hour order calculate hourly expectation. average wagered amount could retrospectively and therefore useless for predictive comparisons values. example prospective ev 100 match with 5 times playthrough deposit 0.5 house edge - 1000 0.005 95 don't see type changes bet size 1 10 100. however you retrospective based on then isn't something altogether regards b. 6564 i use this formula bill baggins 1 sd sqrt no of hands played 1.1 multiply figure by your average bet size to obtain a monetary value. sample is always included in any for calculating standard deviation and therefore the has meaning whether hand or million. regards b. 6565 better luck next time nt bill baggins 6566 playcheck logs bob r in a microgaming casino you'll normally see red checkmark somewhere among the game choices. click on that and it will take you to web page where can view of your play. be very helpful. there is data from last seven days up few hours current time. 6567 demango blackdeuce could you elaborate on the different offices it seems some micro casino chains always send a cheque while others prefer paypal. thanks 6568 proc cyber demango i found out about their different offices the hard way. was having trouble collecting 600. from riverbelle after losing 2200 mind you many 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different casino software peter can be so different. have consistently found rtg to unbelievably streaky. you either win big or lose it all. recently did windows and lost deposit bonus got lucky on doubling some bets that happened turn out winners. now how the hell is this possible playing perfect strategy where one double any 2 cards after split microgaming other hand find not nearly as my record in last game was 11 losses a row only i've done well 5 roses. 6582 do i have it right jerry richardson bill are you saying the square root of number hands times 1.1 average bet. for instance play 144 which sqrt is 12 13.2 bet 2 26.4 equals 1 sd 6583 maybe rtg seems more streaky because it is fast and mg designed... coldsteel73 to be maximally infuriating. if rigged the worst possible way make player as angry possible. you hit 21 with 6 cards dealer has bj. double down hits 21. only 20 well ho know will fly out bring have a high total look for push or worse. i can easily imagine deciding whether win in advance then sending some close . which bad experience. it's like thinks losing by one bj same effect getting 2 jackpot bars on payline third just missing -- oh no not happen most often when are returning winner. yet do somehow initial bonus big. after that good luck. not. might seem also generally play longer get come think of it. but wish all software was exactly rtg. don't care about streaks long they 50 fact saves time. cold 6584 aargh so that was i crystal allpokergames... coldsteel73 same software as vpc. wonder if all gambling federation joints use crystal. well next time download something log in and hear music cannot be stopped will know what to do -- run oh yeah commodore from casino player ad that's another joint... cold 6585 where did this come from n t nt another anon 6586 article on casinos which allow you to deal john may i've got a lot of mail recently about online blackjack so i wrote an for rgt discussed the debatable profit potential these operations 6587 usa casino peter deposit 100 bonus but you have to wager 5000 now that's huge. what's the best way of approaching this if 2 a time 1 your bankroll it'll take ages get through. do 10 it's worth it then are only 20 hands away from losing all. all in i reckon not it. 6588 intercasino weirdness boneus i've noticed some things that don't make sense at intercasino. while playing with others you can point to the pictures of players table and see stats on them like their current balance amount action for session. interesting part is if watch information will notice exact instant last player plays his hand instantly go up wins hand. it updates way before dealer deals himself cards. i know know. it's just a graphical representation computer calculates out result much faster than screen showing cards right okay i'll buy that. means we've got lightning fast software receives from dealers in blink an eye. great. now explain me how every single time checks hole card this extremely takes full seconds respond result. sometimes there are extra long pauses several seconds. 6589 good bonus... kx since you are free to cash out deposit before meeting wagering req. as always big bets better than small. in this case it s even more obvious small will take ages. bet and win or back deposit. 6590 so using that formula... rat on my example makes. sqrt 167 1.1 14.2 38 2.6 sd and the poster below aces high . 193 15.2 130-58 4.7 ok now we have losses of how often does swings like this happen or rather many should it be before you know something fishy is going 6591 21 lose against bj micro rat dealer gets a players under rules. how frequently does this hand occur 6592 i tried that but it didn't work peter it's almost guaranteed sometime you'll get to 100 if you start with and 100. only 10 losses away. unfortunately for me lost my discilpine kept going until the deposit too. was up 260 at one stage. all gone after 165 bets. think time give online gambling a break. results over past 4 weeks have been shocking i've playing perfect strategy many casinos tiny house edges or even player's edge. in fact disregard bonuses lot. made decent amount bonuses. played around 30 wagered tens of thousands hands i'm guessing without least 25 . basic strategy. what happened edge .5 6593 not sure what you are suggesting john may now explain to me how it is that every single time the dealer checks hole card in this extremely fast software takes full seconds respond with result. sometimes there extra long pauses of several seconds. i'm suggesting...if something underhand going on i don't buy it. mean if they were switching hole-card see why would cause delay a very simple piece programming. checking itself bloody slow so my guess just tied somehow. 6594 online bj at the same casino kdon26 as a new follower of posts here i have feeling may be only player who reguarly play casinos over and again. is this case if so am crazy accounts few biggies con gold club geisha engligh harbour but no mg sites -- can't stand game feel many are rigged cashed out deposited times since initial bonus. each month i'll put about 1000 in paypal dole it to where ever like playing. perfect strategy usually do allright. last up 2 000 down 600 . on year probably just even not couple hundred. don't focus bonuses really for fun sometimes betting 50 100 or more per hand when i'm up. never gone bonus site 1500 played 500 hands 3 reach some wager level could cash 225 250 dollars. know there's money made that way patience. 6595 no you are not. ricardo not crazy. just the usual gambler. only know that there is money to be made but instead prefer make money. it up you. do have a point though as boring open new account and download software every time feel like playing some cards. 6596 10 losses kx i ve never said you should bet would go for 25 - sure ll often bust out but when win will big... that s what ev is all about. 6597 never... kx assuming big loser is telling the truth and he counted bjs as 1 5 win doubles 2 wins your calculations should be correct. if that so his result never occur in a fair game. probability of having -4 7 sds or worse about million 6 sd event happens once 200 tries. it s impossible to say how many before you know something fishy going on but personally i would worried results than 3 large sample 4 any sample. also several lesser magnitude scary like my consecutive losses more each at mgs. 6598 playing bj is booooring... kx i think it s very boring to play bj. especially online flat betting following bs would never do if didn t earn money. but preferences are different luckily 6599 i'm not. just observing. boneus i didn't mean to suggest anything. making an observation. if was really paranoid guess would that the software has a trick built in when dealer is dealt 10 card or ace it look at each players statistics as far win loss ratio deposits and other stuff before deciding what hole is. take some time. expecially programmed perform this function by first gathering information from player table. there sure be lot easier better ways cheat. doubt very much going on. think it's strange. maybe you haven't played but seems odd balances get updated instantly consistantly every time while check long process varies considerably one hand next. me invite suspicion average ploppy that's last thing want do with on-line casino software. personally i've always had small wins playing others lost miserably alone. though losses have not been bad enough cause great said they fine there. p.s. for anyone else players... ever seen so many poor blackjack see few people poorly real casinos. talking about splitting 3's against ten 4's 8 then standing on 14 only hitting 11 all sorts of idiotic plays. thought general rule were more informed 6600 weirdness john may maybe you haven't played there but it just seems very odd that balances get updated instantly and consistantly every time while the hole card check is this long process varies considerably from one hand to next. perhaps might be possible infer something delay...unlikely advantageous if was anything it. whole crypto setup me like software designed by someone who had concept of user-friendliness explained him without really knowing what was. i'm certain inter are on level. i have a statistically significant sample prove sent enough my minions there. regarding quality play looking at casinos publish payout percentages clear online gambler about half per cent better off than their terrestrial counterparts. still leaves lot bad gamblers. 6601 mg bs aruuba after reading your results i was wondering which basic strategy you are using. how do play 10 2 vs 4 6 3 8 7 5 standing on a and hitting 11's 10's in general 3-card 16's 12 i've played few thousand hands at casinos have had no problem. just wanted to make sure using the right bs. 6602 most jobs are boring nt bob fisher 6603 hey rob reference the source next time anononek what's matter with you should have told everyone that this came 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documented while inter others now nice deals still long time reach wager totals again hopes can cash little more by playing hundreds low hands. no forum claims big stakes anything approaching thousands winnings any time. much best making per if figure present value why crazy float dollars among dozens several hundred those please prove me wrong i'm ready career change. 6609 cashing out before meeting requirements pensive gerbil kx have you often cashed of playtech casinos the wagering requirement does casino lock your account after do this how many times think one can being banned from most or all regards pg 6610 there aren t that many... kx since s only 9 playtech casinos offering accpetable bonuses i don think they do black list players. would guess software suppliers with several customers like rtg and mgs as well those monthly crypto does list. 6611 superslots peter nice bonus here deposit 50 get 70 but no blackjack. now is it still worth doing seeing as you're getting 140 what's 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randomness billhaywood win some lose just how it should go. streaks retrspectively discerned patterns nature not consistency. i've read tests where subjects are shown pictures dots random not. on one pane were arranged in clusters and blotches. other they more evenly scattered with no big open spots. then asked to choose which thought was created randomly. people consistently chose dispersed tv fuzz pattern as while actuality by a generator blotchy one. even dispersal exactly what you do expect true randomness. 6615 scarce - thanks. guess i was just lucky. peter wouldn't have touched it if i'd known part of casino extreme. still can't understand why didn't see those rules i'm usually very thorough with that sort thing. but as turns out managed to make more than d b. 6616 winnersplayground - confusing bonus peter the above offers 100 cashback if you lose your deposit. it says need to wager 12 times get cashback. but then further down page 1. log into casino using username and password 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you should take requirements into account frankly would amaze bit but won't want put words mouth. now regarding exemplar. the game describe had playthrough requirement 50 d b play it how make quick assessment whether has ve expectation or just curious. also calculation quote exemplifying higher ev wagers from example seems be very sensitive winning first 3 hands discounting ties course . this 0.495 0.121287. can explain figure my maths little shaky here and so asked about three on green chip quoted 10.55 p 0.155. am sure which right appreciate clarification theory interesting. here's continued increased ev. regards b. 6621 interpretation bone-us you need to read a little more carefully. stated that it says wager 12 times the bonus get cashback . this is not what says. does say winners' playground will refund for any losses on your first deposit up 100. playthrough of required bonus. 100 and lose e-mail them they give in now have balance but play 1200 x action before cashing out. me non-bonus. others here although i won't mention kx by name argue great he... er umm... mean tell how two chances winning can make huge amounts easy cash with offers like this. however all do twice at negative expectation game you're down hundred bucks. that's gambling i'm some money gamble. basically if there were hundreds these had bankroll cover could long term very likely come out ahead. short though significant statistical possibility net loss after playing many offers. beginners or risk-adverse would recommend staying away from such an offer. 6622 great thanks for the info nt banana4 6624 one last try... kx i really made an effort to explain in my post but m going give it try. if you re still not with me after this suggest go wol or gamemaster and read mine pgs wizardofodds the gamemasters answers on subject. answer your incredulity no don't believe that have a probability of 1 reaching wagering requirements. please credit some intelligence. is what was saying. don t want be rude by saying way calculating promotions ev correct undepending bet size are also implicitly will always meet requirements size. otherwise formula isn which as explained above . now regarding exemplar. game describe had playthrough requirement 50 d b would play how make quick assessment whether has ve expectation just curious. assesment can done first based infinite small bets ie meeting req. then decide big willing bet. very given approx. large actually closer bonus value than calculated using inbetween maximum minimum minus req ha good though. take those two bonuses example deposit 1000 get bonus. cash need wager time. 20 40 requirment. 44 75- assuming 0 5 2 everyone chose right calculation quote exemplifying higher wagers from seems sensitive winning 3 hands discounting ties course 0.495 0.121287. figure maths little shaky here so asked about three green chip quoted 10.55 p 0.155. am sure appreciate clarification theory interesting. gave where 49 times row 495 3. black jack... guess guy consecutive jack. hand bj 43 should 08 probably added scenarios havinge pushes between. besides 10 55 1055 155. because calculations jack much more advanced becuause doubles splits bjs. shows applicable any hope things clearing up. through previous carefully once again before answering post. 6625 please accept.... bill baggins .....my apologies for the probability typo. my lack of typing agility is matched only by stupidity after all. so which game are we talking about playing if not blackjack just interested because figures in formulas you quoted don't add up blackjack. but i thought were explaining your ev theory would be applicable to most commonly played bonus allowable game. am sorry example provided doesn't hold mathematical water. prey gives us this theoretical 0.495 doubling our bankroll allowed majority terms and conditions educate me as may learn a new convinced. wouldn't rule out 100 match with 10 000 playthrough against house edge 1 . interesting. i've tried read carefully it's school holidays at moment can't resort english teacher help should struggle. regards b. 6626 please tell me... kx what you don t understand. the game was made up by pg to explain theory. only interesting aspect of a is ha. has ha 1 which pretty normal. chosen isn relevant. result would be identical with black jack calculations much heavier. and since seem grasp basic concept i want sacrifice lots time trying prove theory in more advanced way. but thought were explaining your ev applicable most commonly played bonus allowable it is. that proved. thing needed understand here large bets - larger risk ruin lower average amount wagered higher ev. example help as said if my big effort wasn enough there s reading at wol gm. am sorry provided just doesn't hold mathematical water. course does. are really say wiz gm me all wrong this issue so wouldn't rule out playing 100 match 10 000 playthrough against house edge . interesting. have never anything like that. do need make things didn agree reasoning regarding two examples point did not instead making things... fact gladly play above mentioned allowed cash deposit before meeting wagering req. comes down here. m beginning feel we re getting anywhere. happy quite someone who doesn learn. 6627 what i don't understand is..... bill baggins ....why the example you gave to illustrate your point although now it appears not be but pgs does hold up for blackjack. say applies any game numbers prove otherwise. blackjack if we use probability of doubling bankroll 3 times as in this is 0.1055 accept our green chip friends statistical abilities. using formula which an calculate ev method gives us 1500 - 0.8945 100 68.80 17.20 less than 86 quoted wagering requirements ev. lo and behold with actual do support assertion. can see logic argument posted some time ago before that am unwilling learn try providing evidence holds close scrutiny. confuse critical appraisal posts obstinacy. typically find blind faith a poor basis learning. have heavy complicated maths reason actually supports argument. smacks convenience me. proved. proved nothing other ability quote peoples examples fit numbers. disputing wiz gm god or anyone else just looking coherence posts. no regards b. 6628 sure rob mcgarvey i forgot to brush my teeth that day too. i'm worried more about than a guy uses anon ask me where saw something on the net. will go site tomorrow as it is in computer at office not home. irresponsible using name shows you don't want be responsible for what comes out of your mouth. today are anononek anononekkk. take off white hood dude 6629 i'm not brave enough to attempt showdown's win 7k get 1k table games bonus coldsteel73 it looks like max bet is among games. if so that turns out be the main problem with this bonus. you only which will about 1 2 time it's worth a bit less than 500 for an attempt. how many hands does take on average find yourself ahead at some point 20 maybe 30 your bj disadvantage estimate well would 200 or 300 bux gone per buck those assumptions. there are other ways i rather make bucks. but could just ev loss over 70 bucks using assumption. almost and lose work. too bad. sure wish there. even 2k bets work don't see can much hand. cold 6630 whatever your post was still irresponsible anononek alarmed a number of players. that is why you are irresponsible. should have referenced where found the information. coming from levy s site it doesn t carry much weight. course anything weight either and serious players know not to pay attention say so maybe non-issue. oh my handle has nothing do with facts which i ve outlined above. 6631 i think you may be right. good post. nt willyhoppy 6632 blast21 no pay or slow nm jacobite i hate that group. 6633 ok. here we go... kx ....why the example you gave to illustrate your point although now it appears not be but pgs does hold up for blackjack. say applies any game numbers prove otherwise. as i said will game. and also math is much more complicated bj which showed by doing wrong. blackjack if use probability of doubling bankroll 3 times in this 0.1055 accept our green chip friends statistical abilities. using formula an calculate ev method gives us 1500 - 0.8945 100 68.80 17.20 less than 86 quoted wagering requirements ev. lo behold with actual do support assertion. bs. that would correctly hard black jack still try winning three a row might very well 10 55 pretty . win at though can split double get bjs explained earlier makes harder... so want make correct calculation need how many those games on average won splits doubles bjs. higher reaching req. since could splitting second hand reach requirements. see logic argument posted some time ago before am unwilling learn providing evidence holds close scrutiny. confuse critical appraisal posts obstinacy. typically find blind faith poor basis learning. kind telling read long post where tried explain again hoped realize believe good easy understand s why have proved nothing other ability quote peoples examples don't fit numbers. disputing wiz gm god or anyone else just looking coherence posts. was one coming theory first. pg sceptical made calculations himself realised correct. then he better had used m one. met lots scepticism wol after both checked through concluded right think everyone sorry should assume proof don t valid proof... are really interested matter accepted what ve written look gm. there tons hopefully clear things you. 6634 sorry wrong again bill baggins the probability for winning three in a row might very well be 10 55 but that is also pretty hard to calculate . if you do win 3 at black jack not 1500 though can split double and get bjs as i explained earlier this makes it much harder... so want make correct calculation need how many of those games will on average won splits doubles bjs. higher than reaching wagering req. since could example splitting doubling your second hand reach requirements. are patently again. was betting whole bankroll no or would possible. recall were talking about times. please keep grasp own stop shifting goalposts. formula ok some theoretical game doesn't exist real world blackjack one which we all play because too complicated. have posted numbers above they don't add up can't explain that. just face fact mathematical evidence presented does up. try like theory. strange concept proof. he who shouts loudest categorically right let's flat sun rise tomorrow george bush martian may far from truth am messiah end nigh bets lower ev my proof now believe me. sad thing disputed theory during thread only obvious inability any sense it. point originally trying has been lost tete tete. nevermind propose result addition two even another number. here 2 5 dispute assume understand valid regards b. p.s. bs an acronym basic strategy understand. i'm sure wouldn't stoop vulgarities 6635 you're part of the problem playa no disrespect scarce but how do you expect to keep good bonus times rolling when continually light way for more and lemmings chide poster not doing his research then like always point him in right direction. why boycott stupid posts let them figure it out themselves hopefully they won't they'll go away -- leaving bonuses others. this goes than just applies all those do-gooders friends wannabes. know who are. 6636 dollar cheque cashing in the uk..... les does anyone out there have a cheap way of an american uk my bank charges me quite alot to do so any alternatives banks i'll be going us soon would it easier or better cash thanks advance. 6637 i m sorry but you are not even trying... kx ...to understand. can t see why want to make things much harder than they are. the example was just made show theory with numbers in a simple example. don understand that type of game has nothing do it and s fine me please blame for your misunderstandings. patently wrong again. betting whole bankroll so no splitting or doubling would be possible. if recall were talking about 3 times. keep grasp own stop shifting goalposts. oh my god. once again black jack. have been entire course bet on every single hand since give house huge advantage trying bj. really believe this nonetheless need create argument. sigh. formula is ok some theoretical doesn't exist real world blackjack one which we all play because too complicated. posted above don't add up can't explain that. face fact mathematical evidence presented does up. try as like theory. making fool out yourself... bjs splits doubles bj hope wouldn stubborn enough say . correct. based win money wins undepending wether get jack split double isn calculations anyway turn... either assume case winning amount will larger 1500 ha higher 0 01 way chose correctly ll had playing possibility easy show. agreed by wiz gm. still saying pretty amazed consider being yourself instead gm pg wrong. haven understood take time read part only thing given very proof think large bets - risk ruin lower average wagered bonus ev know calculated changing size change won ha. explained. thus big bettors their lower. feel free ask any questions answer. am willing use several hours obious yield same results remember depending sat down did what simpler more advanced leaving town couple days post until saturday sunday. go posts at wol an extremely long thread good. 6638 attitude check rob mcgarvey yes it came from the site you mentioned. http www.gamblingmagazine.com frontpage.asp i have seen their articles on cryptologic and thought that these people were nuts but following above post by scarce saying so-n-so is a bad company to go after for bonus put up article hoping get some conversation going. many of are sound possibly written out house. now do tell me everything they say suspect if so please explain why think so. course anything coming doesn t carry much weight either serious players know not pay attention maybe s non-issue. well well. having said this must who am lot about which means we probably disagreed several things in past. speak all give break guy. oh my handle has nothing with facts ve outlined above. sure does your opinion no one can attach an alias. fortune room procyber. someone acts like better come down off high horse afforded mask hide behind. was irresponsible wouldn't be responding kiddo. looks banners those sites over website worried next batch affiliate checks. 6639 get your check yet rob mcgarvey yes it came from the isle of man with a nice little letter attached to it. probably sent them out in alpa order and that is why i got mine first. abcd....m 6640 this is difficult bill baggins personally i have a us dollar account at my bank. however that more for convenience sake than to save money as still get stung charges when cashing cheques depending on the amount of cheque . if you do it way be sure check exchange rates prior transfers sterling bank will also sting and may better waiting favourable rates. know different banks so shop around. think recall caruso mentioning he could cash several once his all under one charge but can't which was. perhaps try search or maybe other uk players can give cheap option. find cheaper alternative relatively convenient would keen hear about it. regards b. 6641 the last word bill baggins have a nice trip. regards b. 6642 casino player magazine reveals best bets on net rob mcgarvey by mika takahashi winneronline.com 27 aug 2002 http www.winneronline.com articles august2002 casinoplayerbest.htm in the new of gaming issue noted gambling authority michael shackleford a.k.a. wizard odds unveils his picks for net. evaluated eleven most common internet software packages including aqua online boss media cryptologic microgaming and to determine which offered individual games. selected random logic craps. offers three-times any point casinos offer only two-times odds. they also correctly let lay relative amount can win said shackleford. example 60 a 4 or 10 after don't pass bet. roulette category singled-out cryptologic. with european half-back rule even-money if ball lands zero double zero. house edge cryptologic's game is 2.63 even better than single-zero found at some other casinos. available intercasino concluded that old version 1 players favorable blackjack game. unfortunately have switched 2 older may be hard find. complete listing all shackleford's pick up july your local newsstand. 6643 best ways to buy chips online rob mcgarvey by petr bruhn winneronline.com 26 aug 2002 http www.winneronline.com articles august2002 expertpicks_paytips.htm in light of the difficulties casinos are having processing credit cards issued some us banks we asked several internet gambling gurus tell their favorite methods for buying and cashing-in at web casinos. here's how they responded. michael shackleford wizard odds paypal is my first choice. if that doesn't work i use a visa debit card through wells fargo bank which accepts casino transactions. wires pain but will reward those who go route. only have used. bill haywood beatwebcasinos.com cards. many issue named used as these often when do not. also firepay neteller useful. rick jessup gamingjackpots.com i'm almost inclined say whatever think your particular still works remain easiest safest method depositing. no personal experience with prepaid atm being up canada it looks promising haven't heard anything bad yet. companies would smarten attach pin transactions they'd win vote hands down. spearmaster got2bet.com payment solution time paypal. unlikely be phased out before end year. future gamblers may want try - mostly sportsbooks now look them make move into side things not-too-distant future. bryan bailey casinomeister.com ouch what question. was choice now. preferred being. problems seem pertain since able live germany so something it. eric morris magazine net teller western union 2 choices. however see larger creating own type bank. player from sites deposit withdraw funds directly account. mark balestra complete idiot's guide seems nice alternative moment ultimate has yet come. 6645 all under one charge john may i know that different banks have charges so shop around. think recall caruso mentioning he could cash several cheques at once his bank but can't which this was. perhaps try a search or maybe other uk players can give you cheap option. from the same source eg proc-cyber e-cash will be treated as big cheque for purposes. every should do this. i'm guessing is what meant. personally it very unlikely to worth hassle of dealing with us avoid charges. remember we are getting between 20-100 roi worrying about conversion in silly. 6646 thanks for the back-handed compliment i guess scarce i've been accused of this before supplying too much information to other bonus hustlers on net and also being a shill cheerleader online casino's. so basically getting it from both sides. my own opinion is similar bill haywood's who practically invented or at least popularized it. have deep antipathy casino's everything they stand but make money enterprise. dislike b m perverse fascination with those places. may be robin hood complex just some peter pan syndrome work do enjoy taking their money. your good times over quite while. most players will as john has suggested find finite resource type play what they're willing risk. 6647 everyone.... rob mcgarvey wants to be the last person get into life boat before titanic sinks. much like yourself i feel that showing other people how make money will not do too harm as millions of new losers are finding fun it is play online. 6648 now that's funny anononek it looks to me like you have the banners for those sites that are in article all over your website s and worried about next batch of affiliate checks. sorry thinking wrong guy. but was worth a good laugh. i can barely start windows let alone create website. yes levy's ramblings probably contain grain truth. post above alarmed more people than aware of. had mentioned were came from players would been able come better decision its validity. with little effort could pointed us material concerning world gaming should say legitimate sources . they out there. citing source is almost always considered correct thing do. m sure know this. really don t see why insist on arguing against such an accepted practice. whatever done this discussion. 6649 i cashed a cheque recently... chilliyen into my bank for 100 and ended up with 23. i'm going to talk the about of course but what liberty 6651 glad you're happy rob mcgarvey now let's all just get along 6652 let's think about it playa i agree with the lifeboat analogy. too have benefited from scarce's postings when started out a while ago. but this does not change fact that we are now in and scarce is continually helping to bring more people on. eventually whole thing will sink. bonus hunters make of dent than you may think. if were small number among millions online losers would casinos be so paranoid strict terms outlawing blackjack banning players requesting documents ad nauseum etc. non us finding harder play online. they currently cannot use their credit cards must instead one exotic payment methods. luckily paypal still around many track record service through ebay going away soon. who do left becomes such huge hassle deposit into these largely suspect able keep on jumping hoops profitable for filtered away. further throw making gamble states outright ban including new york strong possibility there federal law passed against potentially lose 50 market. things looking good look even worse long ride. 6653 take from the rich make us all poor playa i can sympathize with your views on taking these lousy casinos. but at same time i'm looking after my self. and frankly i'd rather be one of a few people to get great bonus than 100 so bonus. think that if hunters thought about it they'd agree too. wouldn't say good times are over. perhaps they're not as they used still pretty good. goes by there more we see casinos tightening up banning blackjack higher playthroughs closer scrutiny players etc. you right when most will john may has suggested find this is finite resource for their type play what willing risk . source becomes even smaller help bring aboard. limit information provided potential hunters. in our self interest. 6654 that is taking the p bill baggins barclays by any chance i get charged 4 quid for a cheque size. regards b. 6655 is iq-ludorum software fair enough nt coldsteel73 6656 i take your point john may that sounds like some kind of error. if it is actually the policy bank you need to change bank. 6657 freeserve john may have been systematically running down their anytime service since january. it has impossible for me to get a connection more than few hours at sporadic intervals which is why lot of you did not responses e-mail sorry . they appear be hoping customers will broadband was bt's strategy and commercially successsfully one that owing the impotence regulator. this cost tens thousands dollars in lost gambling time. i am very annoyed. record aol who can understand people had problems with seem an acceptable unmetred service. advertisment warning. 6658 foreign check cashing in the us david matthews i do know that we not accept checks are drawn on banks countries because our bank america charges 25 to 50 this. sometimes people will send a for amount of pro bj 19.95 and lose money deal by it. think this is probably same thing as what les talking about. 6659 let me get this straight.. scarce ..you're using dial-up service whatever for 6660 i also use freeserve uk peter it's crap. keeps bloody well cutting out. with the flash games a nightmare as you have to reload everything. absolute waste of time. adsl is still 50 more expensive than dial-up but hell it must be pleasure. 6661 what else john may i live d in the country. there is no alternative. bt have said they might put appropriate wiring if a collective of local individuals were to request it. with an average population over 70 and methodist church can't see that happening. actually uk users it easy. ireland as discovered last three months since moving my base unmetred internet access very difficult get hold of. 6662 could you get internet via satellite dish coldsteel73 i don't know much about this but people in the us who have maybe a 1-foot and their net access that way. think just points to above equator. it's apparently faster than dial-up too. work for you. cold 6663 no doubt the uk has good unmetred deals peter it only costs me 14 pounds a month and i can go online all day nite you should see how bad is in south africa - know guys who have phone bills of hundreds that's s load over there access government monopoloy. 6664 anyone done casinoclubvegas. not on the search feature. peter know what software it is 100 bonus. 6665 what next bone-us what's to be done then boycott this board keep the newbies out start giving false information so they lose their money and we'll have more i've got mine but i don't want anyone else a piece is that it personally feel learned lot from obligated give something back by helping when can. however do agree too much can detrimental. if we some guidelines on should not discussed here. like do's cheating casinos software slow no pay payment methods paypal etc. casino terms conditions tricks don'ts how get started good bonus offer specifics boasting i.e. made xxxxx.xx playing on-line specific how-to's would allow us discuss many important items freely help others without overly promoting hunting still wise individual figure things for himself. p.s. these same types of arguments were beat dealer was going kill game blackjack. think there are similarities with early days counting cards at blackjack could happen now bonuses. becomes known it's actually possible make very popular. you wind up few people who take time right whole don't. wouldn't about gambling will try bored death trying bucks hunting. they'll continue play provide they're looking for. just b m ploppy. also compulsive gamblers thinking better hitting lucky streak or using progression system alone smart enough come with. hunter hunted. 6667 good ideas playa i think you're on the right track with what should and not be discussed. there's already been plenty posted here that a newbie just bit of initiative could figure it out for himself. perhaps we speak in way assumes familiarity online world -- e.g. when someone mentions ev post asks heck means ignore them. your analogy to early days counting also makes sense. though see as an ominous lesson different implications than you suggest. card were gold mine those involved. we're tail end world. however nowadays is entirely ball game intense scrutiny upper limits how much can really won need almost ridiculous level cover high risk potential lose lot money rather difficulty limited opportunities etc. this result people spreading word about benefits counting. front our own eyes bonus becoming more like this. shooting ourselves foot make hustling accessible. 6668 citibank daveinreading i have a dual dollar pound account with in london. no problems depositing us checks as they clear it using their new york branch. also give reasonable exchange rates when move money between the two. just mail them and manage rest online. been for 4 years may even get euro well. http www.citibank.com uk portal consumer current usd index.htm dave 6669 also need to add daveinreading the only other issue with this account is that i have maintain a balance of over 2k both accounts otherwise would get 15 monthly fee. fortunately am able do this. but at least there are no charges when deposit us cheques and move money online my normal lloyds account. 6670 was thinking the same things.... bill baggins you beat me to it bone. i too think that a relatively high proportion of those try playing for bonuses will not have aptitude or discipline make their potential profit. quality some posts on this page bears testament that. however is very difficult lose at in long run if approached something resembling logical manner. can see sense points playa making. would be interested know background many people who play bonuses. personally heard about principle from counting correspondent played my first casino and virtually made own way there. lot principles applied online although argue less stimulating certainly challenging. course picked up certain tips message boards such as but say they are mainly regarding which casinos safe place money hands of. fact vast majority here seem rigged poor payers. rarely do tactics discussed any length. short aware bonus anyone with half an ounce gray matter venture. propogation may more common between friends acquintances whether counters rather than forums. suspect how most stumble into it. vote - bj21 guilty. regards b. p.s. let's start making smoke screen immediately 6671 virtual casino pb from the casinomeisters newsletter some guy has set up a site to take complaints about http www.virtual-casino-scam.com i will definenetly being making an entry 6672 dollar cheque cashing in the uk daveinreading reposting this cos my original was a reply to an old post and may not be seen. i have citibank dual pound account london. no charges whatsoever as long you maintain 2k balance over accounts otherwise 15 monthly fee. they clear us cheques out of their new york office so usually hammersmith branch transfer online normal lloyds account. don't rip me off on exchange rate either. http www.citibank.com portal consumer current usd index.htm dave 6673 cheers dave bill baggins useful info. how are things at the madjeski this season regards b. 6674 background bone-us to answer your question about others bonus ... many years ago i found that liked playing blackjack. but didn't like losing. time buy a book started with beat the dealer and moved on professional blackjack . had fun at some b m casinos neither bankroll or guts spread what should. not much play either wife kid living in california then learning more game internet through sites this one wiz's site gamemasters. spent long just reading main bj vegas ca boards here. eventually wandered into net board though. is where have no choice lay blame rob. he referenced his message rest as they say history. moral of story if rob posts another link we stone him death our old computer monitors kidding. don't for trying make buck i'd even thanks getting me started. however really do want collectively limit access resources need eliminate any type gives easy instructions points instructions. 6676 thanks for your honesty nt rob mcgarvey 6677 i was wondering who you would include.. jerry richardson in this elitist group bj21.com have any say the selection since believe they maintain message board. that regard wouldn't be surprised if board is required reading for management employees of all major online casinos. only similarity see with thorp period some las vegas casinos changed their play rules and number decks dealt to protect them against counters. later backed off because blackjack revenues were significantly reduced. average player non-counters did not like new rules. apparently many are changing bonus requirements expanding restrictions abusers. agree as more opportunists undisciplined players attracted gambling will continue raise playback requirements. should increase wol's readership its list top picks. what posted boneus's dos seems good any. it eliminate necessity creating a whole language. secret stuff can sent email. repeating bill said sure don't remember anyone posting family recipe on winning strategy. wrote john may personal email about questions he didn't bother answer. disappointed but his privilege yours. telling newbie use basic stategy hardly giving away well kept secret. think one has qualitative postings content interest readers offers pleasant sincere comment legitimate posters ignores puffers braggarts. 6678 future bone-us i think we are at the very early stage of bonuses as well on-line gambling. look how many people gambling apposed to number or even compared that b m casinos. it's pretty much accepted in infancy forget about going back a time when almost nobody knew do bonus hunting. ain't happen. need accept current reality and focus on what can influence positive way. if other hunters aren't go away you increase supply casinos regular players. logical way this is help take down dishonest promote honest ones. doing already but more be done. maybe importantly players avoid giving impression all crooked. some newbie states they rigged he would never play one remember others will read shake their heads agreement. jump message like say we've received thousands payments from without saying also made bunch money bonuses. always hate comes board asks standard question casino should . then gets two responses there someone something bad those picks. know which best. so each up. come up with list agree have it ready for every asked. heck hasn't been asked while post using generic name answer 6679 sorry chelsea fan daveinreading west london born and bred. been living in reading these last few years. david 6680 igw scarce software is by same as good gold and blackjack player casinos. those places are ok pay quickly. i have no experience with this one though. 6681 us of course. bone-us nice elitist jab. but it looks like that is exactly what a few are looking for. i'm not crazy about this either does appear to be necessary. i've taken the liberty starting yahoo group for discussing bonus hunting. set up as private group. any regular posters here invited e-mail me and request added. after i would implement system adding new members by nomination vote only. how's elitism seriously want place can cooperate with others who have similar experience help out those little less benefit from more experience. i'd agree public forum openly do this. anyone join please send direct e-mail. 6682 satellite internet download only woody by requires a phone connection and an isp for the uplink. you can't broadcast enough signal from your dish but it takes all download. 6683 bone i wish you well with your project. jerry richardson was hoping might be included in group even though am primarily a 2 bettor however after the screwing took yesterday from lucky nugget so disheartened about online gamling decided to limit my play few of favorite casinos and forego bonus hunting. if would care email me address glad send details you. have nice day. 6684 mvpbets.com ripped off this is a rip site. they don't honor what advertise. 6685 me too bone-us i am laying off the hunt for a while. after 10 years away from college i'm headed back to school my mba. i've also been neglecting wife and kid little much. however plan actively participate in developing better bonus strategies so can be more efficient future pay tuition. gambling tuition money what concept i'll e-mail an invite you. if anyone else would like join us you directly at joeengineer aol.com . that should listed on user profile. 6686 positive results bone-us we always hear when somebody had a bad run of luck at an on-line casino but rarely any good luck. it does happen though. so... i thought would list casinos that at. virtualcity.com winnersplayground.com casino-on-net.com portofinocasino.com mangocasino.com hookscasino.com grandbankscasino.com allpokercasino.com arthuriancasino.com 6687 what software do they use nt rooster 6689 then we shall speak no more nt bill baggins 6694 software bone-us a little bit of everything. according to my records the they use are virtualcity.com -microgaming winnersplayground.com -realtime casino-on-net.com -random logic portofinocasino.com mangocasino.com -diamond hookscasino.com grandbankscasino.com -playtech allpokercasino.com -oddson arthuriancasino.com 6695 kx check your email dude i've written a couple things to you kx. that gave me 6698 anyone played progressive 777 blackjack peter the math interests me here. they take an extra 1 for every bet you make to play jackpot. if your first hand is a 7 get 5. 2 7s 25 3 777s 250 same suit 1000 . now of course bets this crazy. but say deposit and 10 time which only bankroll. lose 10. chance maybe win 1000. i've had before in although rarely done any here on how it affects basic strategy 6699 i just won 11 hands in a row at microgaming jack schwartz played 100 flat-betting royal vegas casino this morning lose2 2 lose1 25 push 12 win1 46 bj 5 win2 10 net win 44.5 units assuming normal distribution 3.91sd above ev. includes streak of consecutive winning extremely unlikely event along with other reports people big casinos surely indicates that the software is rigged player's favor. - 6700 777 jacobite sounds like a side bet super sevens which has big house edge. as it does not affect your basic strategy. 6701 thanks bone-us... wagerthru ...here are a few where i've done well after hearing negative rumors grand aces geisha lounge vegas palms royal vegas. cheers 6702 bet more money and see the results. nt simon 6703 rtg and insurance asap am i crazy or should one take routinely on know it flies in the face of basic strategy but there just seem to be a lot dealer bj's. i'm not shouting rigged since well up for wondering if others have noticed this seeming anomaly. 6704 i have noticed. nt guess who 6705 here's my list pensive gerbil i also had good luck at hookscasino as well the following black widow casino capital on net queensclub jackpots in a flash cherry geisha lounge intercasino have no significant problems with service or payouts casinos list. -pg 6706 it does affect bs. kx i haven t done the math so don know how though. but let s say you are sitting on 2 diamond 7. then should hit no matter what dealer is showing assuming your bet isn huge . 6707 wrong way to look at it skar imho. someone with math skills beyond my own should figure out what point the winning of jackpot becomes ev. maybe too sensitive or kept close vest by adv players cutting edge 6708 play at 110 00 pb go to www.thegamemasteronline.com and click on triple 7s blackjack he recommends playing when the jackpot is over 000. www.slotcharts.com check how much it is. last time i checked was 47 000 you would min bet always. 6709 slotland blackjack la gambler i found a casino offering an unusual game. it uses 4 decks dealer stands on soft 17 and doubling appears to be allowed for any two cards. however splitting of pairs is not allowed. the other rule that pays 3-to-1 even when also receives blackjack. i'd appreciate if bj experts could tell me theoretical house or player edge this anyone have reason believe may randomly dealt game thanks 6710 two clues scarce first slotland is all about slots and makes no real pretense to be a randomly dealt table game. second 3-1 for blackjacks huge player edge. the other funny rule that if you decide hit one hand hands up three . although knows sure most players reckon 2 ha at least spacejack perhaps as much 5 6711 two clues la gambler their spacejack game is described as one of card games along with videopoker differentiating it from slot games. i think website clearly implies that a randomly dealt blackjack couple unique rules. they even recommend playing only hand at time since multiple hands cannot be played independently and using classic strategy for best results. if the were random how big would theoretical player edge remember splitting pairs not allowed seems to me odd little bj could attract many unknowledgable players some whom will play three go progressive jackpot which won by getting blackjacks on all 3 . huge house realize such compensate small basic may have. table maximum 20 per also help limit losses bs players. 6712 not random croupier spacejacks and slotland video poker are as stated on their website. 6713 i'm confused.... skar i thought we were talking about online bj where the card game not slots...yuk builds a jackpot. isn't there couple places you are actually playing but can make side bets for things like 7 and such. was when jackpot got high enough bet would become ev. help.......... 6714 read my post pb confused about what in i am talking bj. triple 7s blackjack is a progressive jackpot at .110 00 you have e.v understand 6715 i see la gambler thanks for the link did not notice that statement. suppose it is possible game dealt randomly except on those rare occasions when rng determines three blackjacks will be at which point random deal overidden by another mechanism. or outcome of every hand could rigged. who knows 6716 offer from wizard of odds bob r got something in my email pushing jupiter club casino. sounded like a decent but the fine print i see that play requirement 7x excludes not only blackjack video poker really think reputable websites need to disclose limitations this very clearly up front before people wind having blow their already-deposited money on slots. 6717 get in the spirit of all this asap always read fine print and call their support line if you have questions. learn a fun new game say......cyberstud wizard odds gives strategy for it also known as carribean poker. now there do promo some make few bucks. unless course you've blown an slots. 6718 mom nt asap 6719 cyberstud is 5 bob r i didn't buy in at the casino did read fine print first but just think there should be reputable webmasters out were you don't have to as careful with some randome get spammed about guess wizard of odds isn't necessarily one them. posted a similar complaint when his site was recommending an iglobalmedia back their games obviously fixed. this same magnitude problem that it still troublesome. he pull ad and post explanation by way 6720 about 2.5 nt asap 6721 what am i missing bob r on the wiz's site he says it's 5 . is there something don't understand 6722 edge dunbar i'm guessing that when they say 3-1 really mean 2-1 because are returning your bet as part of the . with on naturals in a fair game you gain about 2.3 no-splitting rule costs 0.4 according to wong's basic blackjack so net player advantage again assuming is would be between 1.4 and 1.9 depending number decks dbl down rules. --dunbar 6723 element of risk croupier read his explanation 6724 in that case... la gambler i assume the game is just another slot machine thanks dunbar. 6725 how does this affect the house edge bob r i don't know what article of his you mean can provide a url regardless my point is that wiz says on cyberstud 5 and asap it's 2.5 . who correct 6726 sixgun is ripoff mr deviant they've given me run around for over a month. worse yet they were endorsed by opa. 6727 the wiz is who he so asap read article a bit further just under paragraph indicating 5.2 his opinion quite correct i am sure that elememt of risk 2.555 in favor house. where do you think get my information 6728 question for scarce bobby would you mind posting the link or provide info as to how i can find blackjack player casino. igw software is not listed on bet 2 gamble site. much appreciated bobby. 6729 element of risk again croupier i did put the link in but here it is again. 6730 www.blackjackplayer.com nt scarce 6731 the play bet counts towards wagering requirements jack schwartz bob- i think this will clear up confusion in caribbean stud there are two bets. first is ante which you post every hand. second 2x add to your wager whenever want out house edge can be calculated 2 ways ev - -5 -2.5 called element of risk by wofodds since microgaming lost on total wagers calculation 2.5 . 3819 6732 microgaming blackjack pensive gerbil my initial results at mcg were not good. however i am happy to report that in the course of additional play overall have only regressed mean but continued into positive territory. though speed turnabout was accelerated by making larger bets now believe is randomly dealt. regret a couple early posts may contributed small way rigged paranoia. apologize for that. -pg enjoying view from east side bell curve 1825 6733 ahhhh bob r i had no idea the ev for a game could be that complicated. thanks everyone straightening me out. i'm still not pleased with bonus requirement requiring action on -2.5 but have definitely learned something didn't know. 6734 thanks scarce-- i should have typed it in b f asking nt bobby 6741 more good luck bone-us i've had some at all poker casino. i usually stick to blackjack but armed myself with a strategy guide from the wiz and dove into video poker. started out playing dimes .50 hand so switched quarters 1.25 per hand. within few hundred of action hit royal flush for payout 4000 coins that's quick 1000 funny part is that my only two suited high cards start with. thought just drew until saw zeros in section casino has real goofy graphics intro screen liked game software oddson fact could play as little 5 cents if wanted to. importantly received winnings promptly 6742 v poker paddyboy nice one you are extremely lucky what game was this 9 6 job i too am getting into vp for a change.i think will try the offer at blackjackballroom as they dont allow bj 1000 gives 400 bonus reqs 5x d b 7000.but cant cashin anything until play 7000. so without rf return is about 97 that loss of 7x30 210 theoretically profit 190 hitting rf. were very occurs once every 40 000 hands. also check out www.slotcharts.com and watch progreesive jackpots when these hit certain amount then playing with positive expectation combine can be confident not throwing money away still have to get although variance lot higher in it more exciting frustrating than online 6743 stanley acropolis no longer offering sign-up bonus nt wagerthru 6744 yup bone-us it was on the 9 6 job. looked like easiest to play and from what i read wiz' site has some of best return percentages too. course doesn't hurt be lucky - don't know that much about video poker though. would better do more complicated dueces wild for either payoff or lower variance 6745 your making us jealous..... bill baggins ...mr bone. what is with all this positivity don't you know we're only supposed to share our worst experiences here however in continued good spirit i shan't the details of my last 4256 bonus attempts which have been losses. instead shall think back time late 1999 when managed keep 4 dollars at an mg casino dealer was being kind that day . here's player favoured variance. regards b. 6746 congratulations and a word of caution... john may as note caution remember that any time you win because variance haven't exactly earned it. some my students get bit carried away with initial success at vp when they hit string rf's early on lose discipline overplaying bonus requirements so on...this happens to competent advantage players often it does less sophisticated players. celebrate your just keep together remembering there are extreme negative well positive fluctuations come... 6747 patience john may bonuses usually vanish around the time of a site re-jig as company rethinks its strategy. i am fairly certain will be back shortly question is whether they worth pursuing. 6748 amendment black widow pensive gerbil i have learned cashins at are being delayed. the casino claims they manually processing scrutinizing cashin requests due to problems had with fraud. 6749 vpoker paddyboy i dont think there are many online games that have a return of over 100 and dueces wild has higher variance but would only play vp at sites where bj is not allowed for bonus requirements or the progressives 6750 amen nt guess who 6751 any insight into this bill baggins anyone i have a friend who has been told the same thing. does anybody know what is going on regards b. 6752 they still have the old bonuses if you ask rat atleast did a few weeks back. i had an online casino wouldent do what just done to site should keep it as simple possible. new s has much crap understand read - thats my oppinion 6753 talked to them yesterday -- no dice... wagerthru although they are thinking about what bonuses offer next. 6754 vpoker paddyboy playing vp online seems only viable if you cant play bj for the reqs.if 40000 hands have a 60 chance of hitting an rf before that are at 97 return job which to be best option.so your students hit string early isnt time stop playing.at least then they can say i beaten pulp 6755 john what subject do you teach...... bill baggins ...and why are your students playing video poker in class really should discipline them more as they never going to learn anything if don't pay attention. my old maths teacher would have sorted out and no messing. regards b. 6756 now i've seen it all... david matthews i just got an email offer from golden balls casino. that one really takes the cake... lol 6757 huh you play internet blackjack card cat dont seem like the type. 6758 cherry casino videopoker pensive gerbil the jacks or better game at has an unusual pay table which i think may return nearly as much a normal 9 6 with slightly less variance. differences between this and typical are straights 5 coins instead of 4 quads 20 25 straight-flushes 40 50. i'd appreciate if someone could tell me expected payback casino's job whether any strategy adjustments should be made. for example open-ended straight draw couple high cards held in favor low pair since more valuable their would inside 3-4 now than two suited thanks help. pg 6759 forget about it anon314 for one the software if most probably gaffed. two they have a certified public accountant in costa rica validate thier payoff rates. job game returned 90.24 . of course you can't beleive this crap anyway... 6760 i agree and please... john may don't play vp period recommend any one else does because of the variance. qualification is only good reason to unless jackpot terribly large. btw please contact me at address above so can arrange return your stuff. 6761 yeah anonanon they're robbing people. they are trying to stiff me for 700 high roller's bonus . 6762 my good results some guy several of you have posted about your recently. here are the casinos i done well at blackwidow casinoheat englishharbour powerbet riverbelle rubydragon windows heard things and stealing people's money after had already played them. don't know that would recommend those three even though did very got paid in a reasonable amount time. -some 5871 6763 good humour bill. don't be faoucetious to jouhn nt baba 6764 decent game questionable casino cindy sorry i can't give you a strategy for this game. the payback given perfect play is 99.56 and variance 19.0 so are correct - better than regular job at 99.54 19.5. 6765 what's the question pensive gerbil i don't know why you say they are questionable. cherry casino has processed my cashouts promptly deposit and winnings to paypal their support staff have answered emails in a reasonably prompt coherent manner. this is more than can about most casinos i've tried. thank for providing payback perfect play did use software program calculate it estimate of its was based on using optimal strategy typical 9 6 paytable. fact that lower suggests some adjustments indeed required. -pg 6766 i don't know who jouhn is bill baggins was talking to john. sherlock holmes would detect that you are also from the uk or studied english in spelling of humour with a 'u'. however your supports neither hypothesis. could baba john an acquintance should read hound baskervilles one more time regards b. 6767 cryptologic and williamhill jim i recently posted on here regarding my gut feeling of a gambler for 25yrs experience that the software casino games was unfortunately playing with william hill were in fact rigged not random clearly tracked your play handed out some crumbs encouragement now again before shutting gates lady luck true results. well it started an interesting debate have just stumbled these websites which fuel argument kerosene are extremly interesting. take look yourselves guys. www.gamblingmagazine.com main54.htm www.cryptologicsucks.com www.gamingmagazine.com be quick cryptologicsucks.com site goes down due to legal reasons. lucky regards uk 6768 ok i take it back cindy they seem like a pretty solid outfit although have heard their software freezes up. generated the numbers myself using my own vp analyzer. hey and what's with your handle why are you pensive gerbil 6769 is onluck's vip bonus -- 30 up to 1000 - worth playing nt wagerthru 6771 why i am a pensive gerbil suppose it was my childhood. as one of litter 12 parents had little time for me and running on that damn squeaky wheel did not appeal to me. became very introspective. -pg 6772 more info.... bill baggins ....required. is this a sign up or ongoing bonus if 300 for 1000 deposit with their usual 6x playthrough then i would say it worth playing. be equivalent to 13x on 100 match. just an opinion. other things consider are that group onluck five roses golden comps has had bad press in the past. don't know what current state of play and time played at was paid without too much hassle faxback runaround . others may give insight here. also although sounds different promos bear mind t cs you can only claim one casinos group. regards b. 6773 but luckily bill baggins ..... your introspection afforded you the time to develop language skills not normally displayed by small fury rodents. every cloud has its silver lining after all. regards b. 6774 what type must you be asap my conception of the typical online bonus hunter is someone in 20's or early 30's day job paying 35 000 per year less not necessarily college educated more often male than female but with females traditional card counting. most this applicable to me it interesting speculate about others. 6775 just for your information bone-us i happen to be older only slightly better paid and educated than idea of what is typical . although guess that am more often male female since all the time. - 6776 junk the skeptic i'm not defending cryptologic here. i think software and company sucks too. however my skepticism alarm went off when checked out cryptologicsucks site. found it very odd that so many of players messages used word in subject line. 6777 academic -- they mysteriously withdrew the bonus - thanks anyway nt wagerthru 6778 re junk jim just checked quite a lot of junks in there but if that site is one man vendetta he sure does have information much which i found to be accurate by my own experience. the other two sites seem same opinions as well. really cant work out why canadian company cryptologic would choose subsidary wager logic who supply software hills based cyprus. its worth clicking on title headings read full articles. only 50 it true then still pretty damming stuff. 6779 just got paid asap did the signup promo made a little profit cashed out money in bank. 6780 freeserve working acceptably well down here. caruso have been systematically running their anytime service since january. where did you hear this aside from cutting out after 10 minutes of no cursor movement and two hours' max continuous connection time it's ok for me. i've heard reports that they're phasing it out. 6782 the type. brick professional card counters usually dont mess with on-line gambits. 6783 did you just play too anonanon it is only players in about their first month with playtech who are getting screwed. transactions since that period should go through normally. you'll notice they have reduced high roller bonus to 200 from 700. 6784 me too john may whole thing looked dodgy to so i only bought in for 50 waste of time really but was testing the water . contacted cs and they said didn't know when were going pay me. their defence software switches tend cause problems with even reputable operations is pretty good still expect get paid it not enough. 6785 50 of it is not true john may ...and frankly i'm amazed at the level amazement which is. that online gambling riddled with corruption should come as a surprise to any one who doing it. we are dealing wallmart here. good thing too or there would be no bonuses other fun stuff. lv when corporations move in they will professionals out. long crooked god save us from regulation. 6787 i bow to your expertise nt asap 6788 in reply to mr may jim well john i has this strange idea that when started online gambling because it was under the umbrella of william hill a trusted english firm bookmakers games would actually be fair and random as uk land casino. nice able gamble on pc without hassle going real casino safe knowledge if put 20 number might just come up first having few hundred down or heavy win repeated next spin ..........but line doesnt seem happen repeat maybe three times one does but course never with anyone large amounts it. there are so many little happenings whilst playing make obvious its rigged seems casinos not governed regulated they all quote price waterhouse south africa confirmed etc.....and frankly thats bollocks. is dream until some form accountability regulation other than moaning web sites which often sponsored by themselves. pockets punter stupid enough think will continue fleeced. 6789 not really caruso there are so many strange little happenings whilst playing on line that make it obvious its rigged... only because you can't see the dealer croupier when things happen in real life don't bat an eyelid. and they happen. 6790 opinion bone-us i had some really bad luck early on in my on-line playing and thought that it was all rigged. after a lot more results have grown much closer to what would be expected fair game. that's also throwing out the data royal flush got since simply piece of unduly influence data. if count i'm actually doing better than return still think there are casinos cheating but don't is as prevalent many people believe. 6791 wh are john may well i has this strange idea that when started online gambling because it was under the umbrella of william hill a trusted english firm bookmakers games would actually be fair and random as in uk land casino. do deal game. have played there often enough. so intercasino for matter. data if any one wishes to see it. seems on line is dream until some form accountability or regulation other than moaning web sites which sponsored by casinos themselves. read my post again. comes bonuses will go. years posters site moaned about deterioration real-world game halcyon days single-deck apparently unaware cheating used go on. perhaps same people who complaining massively rewarding not honest these want their cake eat pockets punter stupid enough think continue fleeced. say every getting bankroll ripped off. they not. no gambler know lost out. we all had bad experiences but isolated non-representative cases. 6792 i agree kard kounter trust me if all had to do was play bonus and basic strategy under the required terms of on-line casinos with little or no risk involved as experts say gain up 90 advantage on my money would quit card counting tomorrow. there is possible way some can give out bonuses they stay in business while offering a fair game. these an ev 95 .wow it simply too easy for public win. everybody internet be doing this board surely most active one bj.21. only common sense friends that's all. good day 6793 in response jim i will resist writing a twelve page documentation of all the obvious signs online game not being random but from results hours multi-and single play european roulette and blackjack it is laughably clear that bets are tracked winners on multi players tables just randomly lucky. yes john ive seen alot years land based casino gambling therefore would blink at run bad luck etc because somewhere down line their be comparative good where you can do no wrong. dont think any doubt games case crpytologic hope perhaps vain to get evidence one day. was lucky enough build rapport with an employee help which now deals wagerlogic casinos ensure complaints come thick fast regarding integrity inference received confirmed my thoughts about become ex-employee has promised further insight when ties have been cut. lets say number generator may its what software does numbers generated relation counts. william hill basically honest major player uk betting they pay out time without hassle this however clearly aware set up as imagine if slightest hint concrete proof less than dropped like stone. funnily accept realise going turn your advantage takes enormous amount concentration disciplin for very small profit bears fun session totally tables. 6794 okay but... john may you seem like a decent sort and appear to have thought this through. however the bottom line is proof required. i can provide with data from inter wh which shows nothing statistically abnormal possibly others if they agree let me use it. don't any contrary data. would certainly want see it give an open mind. note been ripped off few times my black widow post below no interest in protecting fraudulent operations. incidentally just lost all of 100 dollar bonus at today but am still ahead game. 6795 don't think so john may trust me if all i had to do was play bonus and basic strategy under the required terms of on-line casinos with little or no risk involved as experts say gain up 90 advantage on my money would quit card counting tomorrow. there is possible way some can give out bonuses they stay in business while offering a fair game. these an ev 95 .wow it simply too easy for public win. everybody internet be doing this board surely most active one bj.21. you need study market. average every individual who signs-up net casino will lose 3000 dollars year average. that includes draining effect hustlers competent strategists. extraordinary statistic perhaps but true one. bear mind ceiling losses compulsive gambler ius almost infinite. damage any mone question from bon us hustling strictly finite usually only few hundred so. haven't noticed online gambling about major profitable sector web left better might why are paltry giving how make 6797 hotgoldcasino -- credits issued must be wagered fortynine 49 times... coldsteel73 har way to go guys that's 49x d b on a 25 signup bonus. cold 6798 blackjack rat how much worse is the variation when playing a single deck versus multiple decks do you even notice difference 6800 goodluck paddyboy what is going on with my i ching just won 600 bj at the new vegas towerws any chamce of beinf pid um pissed 6801 online is rigged paddyboy bj obviosuly so fucking what even if it riggid to the hilt you cou can still make a profit wake up and smell potatotoes ok about time we stop moaning anmd start fighnng let uys go againts rtg 6802 disemboweled at good as gold wagerthru had may worst experience on the net getting wiped out gag. i've seen others post about having this happen to them there but i also heard they have quick payouts. maybe because they're not making too many . 200 deposit and bonus lost 2 3 of playthru. betting 5 units by my estimate a 2.45 sd swing. caveat emptor. 6803 me too my experience dancali i highly question all the software used by vip casinos group goodasgold is part of this . after latest with was so fed up that had some notes written in order to post them paid. never got around it but might as well now i'd like hear about others' experiences group. these include theplayersroom blackjackplayer and wssb. have nothing unusual results. first one played at casinos. a massive win despite moderate bets. 220 on top 100 bonus 2500 wagering. being paid very quickly thought found new home. then loss painfully small bets minimize 2 hand worst online ever an unbelievable ridiculous continuous loss. lost 240 total 2000 wagering 140 deposit next blackjackplayer. 65 1200 due steady losses kept conservative ensure didn't lose much. just finished playing theplayersroomcasino once again suffered fluke generally 1 reduce downside ended losing 40 other players reported similar having casino they play followed from on. player wol kidgamerpc believe reports hit 4000 royal. think gamemaster his message board speculating not random. there poster who discussed how he make multiple deposits through requirements. don't use same experienced unlikely both their platforms. noticed odd results heard disproportionate amount would gather more data. for those number what your been 6804 no except unified gaming sd where you notice a hefty loss coldsteel73 personally i always play the more decks better at all joints. can't tell any difference and just in case casino cheats on their single deck game if edge isn't as big multi-deck... cold 6805 less than 1 chance dancali are the wagering requirements 15 times bonus deposit 6000 if so and you lost all your money after 4000 wagered at 5 a hand odds of this in 100 according to wizardofodds http www.thewizardofodds.com game bjapx4.html . 6806 it'll happen... caruso ...to one person in every hundred if it's a 1 shot should that feel aggrieved also you'll always have more negative reports than positive ones. pissed off players shout happy smile and move on. i've had decent results at this group. 6807 same experience murray had results at good as gold - total wipeout without getting anywhere near play requirement. my quickest loss in playing 70 online deals. 6808 riverbelle payouts chester i recently had a great run at the and am wondering how quick reliable are their payouts. does microgaming in general seem to have fair software because results on slot machines were great. any info would be appreciated. thanks 6809 i got to 4600...clearly rigged nt wagerthru 6810 oddly enough good as gold has been my best online peter experience so far. put down 200 got cashed out 787. it was almost too easy - like i couldn't lose. another 5 roses. but then nailed badly at many others homebets usa casino to name 2. i've lost quite a few casinos deposit bonus in the long haul i'm up nicely. 6811 blackjack tornaments damo just about to enter my first online bj tornament at williamhill. 10 for an hours play can't be bad. usually i bs but has anyone any advice on staking plans or other hints and tips. you start off with a balance of 1000 chips max bet 500. thanks damo. 6812 homebets is a joke. nt bobby_g 6813 yeah in on 8-16 out 9-12 nt asap 6814 nightmare anonymous poster i believe microgaming software is fair and most of their casinos do process withdrawals in a reasonable amount time. riverbelle an exception. hope you have better luck getting your money than i've had with riverbelle. 6815 anyone tried the 300 at clubfiore oliver strippel just wondering if has out offer clubfiore.com. wagering is 9x and any games are available to play meet requirements. it might be too good true... also players from usa excluded... 6816 be more specific john may i had no trouble with riverbelle though that was a while ago. i'd interested in knowing the details of how their service has deteriorated. 6817 generally a good sign... john may also players from usa are excluded... that is usually thing sorry chaps nothing personal . well-regulated operations tend to want comply with the us authorities putting albeit misguided legality over profit. stanley acropolis used put no restrictions on which games qualify for bonuses it not unprecedented. 6818 now i look closer... john may it looks good. first they are regulated in the isle of man which has tough requirements for this sort thing none costa rican-type give us 100 000 and do what you want thing. second part napoleon british casino chain. long-time readers will that place great importance on bricks-and-mortar connection. am not aware any or matter australian operation with a presence terrestrial ever stiffed player-stanley acropolis william hill aspinalls ladbrokes crockfords victor chandler littlewoods so on...bricks mortar outfits just don't rip people off. napoleons is by gaming board real teeth. does have power but practice online scam would reverberations delicate political negotiations having government over deregulation. 6819 good offer scarce you do need to wager your deposit 9x before receiving the bonus but there is no wagering required after. slow software and they mail a pin . 6820 napoleons jim well john you are cetainly convinced about the integrity of our british firms lol as i had gathered from exchange views in my wager logic thread. have never heard where uk is there chain casinos for being based isle man online operation means they no interest to gaming board and do not fall under britsh law at all. littlewoods an another company also using man.........but guess what wagerlogic who use still a server antigua that comes horses mouth current employee players help all their on-line when longer work which will be quite soon revealed hope unless keep quiet. 6821 big problem - they dont accept paypal firepay etc peter you can only deposit funds using a credit card or cheque wire transfer first time i've ever seen such limited choice. and it's so slow i hate these load every play jobbies. 6822 it's worth trying oliver strippel thanks for the suggestions it seems you all have confidence in this place. only downside to place is slow flash games... 6823 i thought you were a us player bobby from the posts made about playing bj in brick and mortar casinos. what country are if may pry 6824 pretty standard for brit outfits john may sites have an anti-paypal netteller thing going on. or maybe they just don't know about them. this is partly due to the fact that many eg ladbrokes and its franchisees refund winnings back your credit card so e-payment systems are a bit pointless. not sure what napoleons excuse is. 6825 tourneys-the next big thing john may a year or two i wrote an article for rgt suggesting that tourneys might be the online. am now convinced is coming true. buried in intercasino's affiliate site section devoted to which can apparently set up by individuals on request with inter putting prize money. since this feature of cryptologic's new software guessing option covers whole network. implications advantage players are quite staggering. it good time invest wong's tourney book. 6826 answer. kx the problem with credit card rejections is mainly a for us citizens. since those casinos don t accept citizens cards are usually working payment method. besides if i started casino now wouldn even consider implementing paypal it won be usable three months from now. 6827 i think so too. the gamemaster hello john. you may or not know that i've been co-sponsoring a monthly blackjack tournament with global player casino for over year now. in fact our 15th tourney will begin on saturday sept. 21st. when we designed this objective was to make it possible virtually any qualify by basing requirements upon percentage increase of starting bankroll which is fairest way all my opinion. many contests see advertised have automatically tell most going win few are willing even try. requires only 50 real-money br as minimum almost anyone can get it. first 10 tourneys culminated final match where top qualifier met me head-to-head 50-hand if won 500 prize rolled forward next month and challenger s he got what pot. one beat 1500 following winning streak had. but really became note made multi-player final. now four qualifiers meet at table 30-hand it's conducted much like finals b m casino. real reason bringing up self-promotion well maybe little promote idea hope do future. envision world series players pay some sort entry fee currently free enter makes pool. format would be used throughout something two six advance through various levels ends 5- 6-player say 20 000 prizes available. there no limit programming needed casino's end undoubtedly nightmare. fortunately has genius working them regard able take ideas happen. said i'm sure others who predicted become thing on-line gambling. because play-money chips could beyond who's concerned about legality less worry about. while rake pot an entry-fee-only cover expenses concept likely prove similar tournaments held casinos lots gamblers show they're playing they gamble. course internet-based doesn't sticking power somewhat different regard. whatsoever profit doing comes from losses experience their attempt offset advertising expense offer on. 15 must value nonetheless wsop satellite microgaming's best goes against cryptologic's etc. literature stress 100 equity i'd live 5 had opportunity compete weekly daily basis didn't deal abuse charges. these events require skill et. al. anyway capabilities software packages very popular time. instead being tossed out counter hailed champion. two. gm those interested recap covering august posted site today. 6828 what is your source dancali john while i don't dispute that online casinos are profitable wonder where you get 3000 loss per player statistic. could point me to a of this information i've been looking for statistic but couldn't find it myself. 6829 pain in the neck jethro i completed play thru requirement and made 130 bucks to boot. getting paid was a big pain. it took about 3 weeks get received everything had due. 6830 note this is now 100d 100b 900wag nt scarce 6831 club fiore. thatch anyone played them with no feedback i tested it play mode for 100 hands. 5 hand. after 100th total 927 from a 1 000 start. indicates to me ev prob. neg. not me. had luck at regards n.b. this same post is posted more detail in private discussion group dedicated bhs only. an invite contact bone-us the moderator. you can also ask would submit request and 6832 rtg dds thatch anyone else here noticed the following or is it me. if me it's happened enough for to adapt my strategy. and worked - what worth. seemed after playing quite a few sites that doubling down brought small card would make lose hand vs anything but 5 6 where dealer often bust . consideration i did not double at anymore except 6. don't have stats found noticeable improvement. in fact 9 10 11 got low drew one more bring nice high count. unfortunately ran out of rtgs play study this further. left garb like 'must cashin than d bx2' such nonsense. any 'quirk' yet why with swings are stupendous i.e. going from 200 up 100 vice versa hurry regards post duplicate posted private group dedicated bhs only. you can contact bone-us interested an invite. also ask submit recommendations applicable moderator. 6833 i have shut down my play at intercasino guess who the results are just too wierd. could be worst streak in history. but there many other places to risk any more here. 6834 casino redemptions garyh i have been for nearly two months trying to get a redemption from an online casino. they are using audits as excuse and always say someone will contact me.. but never do. does anyone any advice on how proceed with getting my winnings do not wish name the yet would like give them little longer pay me. help appriciated. 6835 join the opa and file a claim someone who knows also with gambling grumbles at gambling.com you can send final email stating your intentions of doing so. i would be tactful but firm. don't get nasty just yet. if none that works tell casino will go public on one board. it probably take least another 2 to 3 weeks for gg resolution they are able do so all 6836 british casinos american rules what a joke jim another online casino has appeared the ritzclub this is an actual land in top hotel london and highly respected company they are licensee of on-line fully endorse operation rare change. their internet site claims duplication set up i.e. great britsh experience etc integrity yet ....... using wagerlogic software european roulette s sterling zero rule which takes all even chance bets red black high low when comes up. english if you have bet on or only half lost remains table thats no ifs buts how its played uk. can advertise to replicate u.k. use out atlantic city course greatly increase house edge. also layout numbers wheel not as however that does advantage but fails offer semi-american lay beyond me. norm for littlewoods william hill both major uk companies software. adopted people simply wouldnt play gaming board would something say i am sure. will be some regulation offered bad enough knowing massaged games really random seems make own clearly not. 6837 i have found rtg unbelievably streaky peter in theory all software providers should be the same. if they're random. but is consistenly more than others. losses of 10 hands a row are not uncommon. 15 out 18 uncommon either. read somewhere that craps actually provides smaller house edge blackjack this true then strategy to take advantage rtgs streakiness could bet one half percent your inital total. you win triple it and keep on with till lose. eg put down 200. 1. go three. there lose back key betting minimum those string losses. course get wlwlwlwl big time. 6838 cant guess who jim good advice to stop your play i am mostly a roulette player on-line because the dealer getting six low value cards reach 21 and beat my 20 is too much take when it happens frequently as with wagerlogic game. basically tracked or numbers are not 100 random bla its so obvious dont know why bother discuss sometimes.........guess being defrauded badly perfectly capable of losing by money without help rigged software. until contact becomes an ex-employee only then if they prepared provide evidence will possibly be able prove that all above board but unfortunatley cryptologic pretty big outfit on ........ 6839 why are you playing roulette rimmer en prison rule or not...there games with less of a house advantage... 6840 anmyone know anything re gaming island casino nothing in search. nt wagerthru 6841 streakiness aruuba how common do you think streaks of 10 losses in a row are i've played 15 879 hands at rtg casinos and have had 3 row. that doesn't seem out-of-line to me. remember lose 48 your only win about 43.5 . so naturally going more losing streaks. i bj has lower ha than the best craps bet which is don't pass thatch giving up way too much by doubling vs 5 6. these same won 961 doubles 57 lost 612 36 gaining 805 process. i'd hate less would be if doubled hang there - 10's will come 6842 fao. monsieur rimmer jim mr the en prison rule is as you know that bet on an even chance stands for next spin if zero has come up this widely played in europe and generally of french roulette. how ever uk casinos they do not play unless table specifically roulette .....they fact half stake returned i have mentioned but course both these rules are far less profitable house than american system why wagerlogic adopt atlantic city nerve to call it european two reasons because can be follow trends patterns chances betting hard show a profit with correct disciplined its incredibly boring time consuming. secondly fun playing numbers enjoyable very or depending your luck much shorter period. at some stage pendulum will swing favour horrendous run bad matched by equally generous period good fortune.it normally becomes matter learning leave when ahead emotions often greatest enemy casino more so lady luck. conclusion methods .......you need true random game winning dependent nature size bets.........this where software falls sadly short mark. 6843 gaminglandcasino.com scarce elka systems same as netgaming. read the comments here before investing a dime. 6844 ever heard of independent probability jim bill baggins as demonstrated by roulette. the result one spin is any previous spins. there are no trends and patterns to be discerned other than inevitable transferance your money into casino's coffers. regards b. 6845 thanks scarce i was wrong on name... gamingland... wagerthru checked search under that name and still found nothing. maybe my fault. you seem to give it the thumbs down so i'll steer clear. again for heads-up. cheers 6846 probability jim take your point old chap but although the chances of red or black are exactly equal even if has just come up thirty six times in a row how often does run more than one colour coming 14 happen my answer not very frequently anyway i always follow trends and hot numbers for what its worth dont back aginst them. guy who thinks because it came odd will now chases is swell casinos coffers. their were no patterns to then over say 110 spins each number would out roughly 3 well clearly this doesnt so therefore at certain towards numbers. equally same amount alternate spin common see runs two three four five etc on ten alternating high low etc......these me all as they occurr result physically mathmatically independent next previous one. course science defined art such card counting excuse am worthy board lol identifying betting with them can lower house edge roulette. also going vegas staring cocktail waitresses chest fact drinking cocktails greatly reduce percentage. 6847 re royaldice.com stealing my winnings john smith got an email from playtech casino saying there were many recent signups in the past few days who canada and account has been locked. then states i was found to be on a negative database. it says they don't tolerate fraudulent activity withdrawal request declined. it's not fault have canadians playing that's problem. am new online gambling carefully read terms conditions exceeded wagering requirements. followed their done anything fraudulent. hope at least give me deposit back. anyone else had these problems actually liked now just lost customer 6848 wrong way rainert excuse me jim your meaning of roulette is wrong. i am engaged im for over 20 years. no success.a trend turns as often in the other direction it goes on. only counts ev -1 35 even chances european and this higher than blackjack if you play bonusses. hate to say but want save dissapointments. beat with ballistik methods thorp scott . very difficult too. my english come from europe. rainer 6849 not wrong way jim rainer have also been engaged with roulette as you put it for over twenty years. yes trends stop or turn but then find a trend that is active just starting if continued indefinately casinos would be broke. of course some times dont last long enough to follow are liable ground down by the house edge. so wont save me dissapointment problem i found concentration fatigue and boredom which set in when playing even chance games results table . on line gambling ideal theory studied play because can take your time without distraction however evident fact its random makes extremy difficult land casino. multi player on-line sessions wager logic possible see how software performs non turned an advantage again takes enormous amounts discipline accept their shut door mode 80 bets will lose playing. real emotions being able walk away clearly rigged game easy get angry drawn into bad money good..........much benefit casino coffers. guess since guys mostly blackjack pros sinced learned master control gift maintained. 6850 poppycock caruso of course there are trends. if i go and spin my toy roulette wheel 100 times i'll spot a few. problem is having noticed trend have no more information about the possible outcome next than would hadn't spotted trend. so why bother with looking for them other they look pretty you want to faces in clouds then transfer your thoughts progressions page where you'll find like-minded soul or three. this has nothing do net casinos. 6852 garb caruso what is left like 'must cashin more than d bx2' or such nonsense. that's rough. i.e. going from 200 up to - 100 vice versa in a hurry hell of swing. 6853 poppycock jim well caruso havent heard that word for a good many years but it make me laugh you admit their are trends ok fine and say why look them simply in betting even chances following trend will often produce winning bet so what is wrong with if gets the desired ahead of house overall result we all for. its relevant to net casinos because study on-line roulette play frequently case witness people getting wiped out by against these trends. have not seen land casino dealer consistanly hitting numbers on one half wheel this surely follow be worthy looking clouds as put also happens nearly always when someone repeatedly such magic software. somehow phrase tried dont knock comes mind. maybe cannot find law probability justify system which basically go flow how times has history repeated itself. 6855 ok here you go. caruso not for the purposes of convincing since are clearly happily set on your own road to destruction but clearing up misinformation well simply in betting even chances following a trend will often produce winning bet... course it also losing bet. sum total these bets be 1.35 house hold. perceptions date irrelevant - that's called anecdotal evidence . take or leave. choose leave it. its relevant net casinos because if study on-line roulette play frequently case that witness people getting wiped out by against trends. nooooooooo they're playing roulette. have seen land casino dealer consistanly hitting numbers all one half wheel this is surely and follow numbers. no comment needed see previous post. maybe cannot find law probability justify system which basically go with flow how many times has history repeated itself repeats doesn't repeat repeating non-repeating advantage problem incorrect identification random events as trends patterns hot cold etc. 3 come recognize same way face cloud. fact there mis-identified remember argument john patrick's basic battle cry should give fair idea worth. 6856 here you go. jim not sure if are american but certainly with roulette and the two zeros layout loss of all even chance bets when zero comes up then house edge is high however british rules much less. saying play going to lose period where as i know can turn sequences patterns your advantage since my does have every rule written in stone system could easily be reproduced so that it played by an idiot following a text therefore its either or player percentage terms cannot authenticated remains matter opinion............my opinion based on playing regular basis over last 25years also knowing couple chaps who make good living out guess they happy seeing faces clouds. 6857 jim please heed brian b. the free advice that is being offered. most of us a certain age have tried exactly your systematic methods and i am sure used reams paper in doing so.now after 25 years you should be aware term 'selective memory' more importantly rule third i.e. during sample spins numbers will sleep show twice these than twice. unfortunately this fact no use whatsoever predicting winning numbers. finally it impossible to quit when are ahead return start results again.the do not know if taken year away from tables or just week maybe visited bathroom. game it's been likened video tape stop where wish one continuous series which course terminate die even cease playing for good.hope helps save some money but time. don't delude yourself beat roulette blackjack as played today.sorry correction on-line b j highly beatable under conditions.goodbye. 6858 dot com entertainment group casinos anon78 is this software fair are the licensees honest among them casino vega moneyline etc. thanks in advance 6860 personally... bill baggins .... i am taking this thread as a wind up conceived by online casinos to reduce our bonus playing time. let's face it while we are either rolling around floors with laughter or b staring at monitors incredulity c racking brains how explain in words of less than three syllables what is patently obvious the majority here wasting valuable seems like sensible move on part casino friends. regards b. 6861 we are getting way off track. jim so i will return to the net casinos theme of this topic. brian you said on-line bj is highly beatable then clearly opinion that software all ok and games not rigged which casino do use take an advantage from maybe they have a truly random roulette game as well. 6862 almost exactly the same story with me. my advice stay away nt roywi 6863 fao bill jim never mind the number of syllables here's four words to count instead. go fu ck yourself regards 6864 correction jim sorry that was only three words clearly i'll never make a card counter 6865 hard to believe but rainert hi jim the sentece that your way of playing roulette has no rules written in stone made me thoughtful. i think you know more about than many people in. two guys germany who play such a manner. they are still successful trends pleins cheval final numbers parts wheel or trasversale simple. it's system germam professor named evert called cracker. it is controversal understand most should fail it. maybe have an equal with edge rainer 6866 funny thread. i like the entertainment ricardo it is very every once in a while to see someone who thinks that he can predict outcome of an unconditional event. also other people trying convince him tat wrong. this thread waste time no not for me. it's great entertainment. must add my 2 cents though. hey jimm why are you looking at same wheel don't look all wheels floor pattern better yet on entire casino. will have more data. going way dont whole world then might know what be next spin. 6867 touchy bill baggins can't type any more just now. off to play roulette. regards b. p.s. i hope last nights earthquake didn't dislodge the ball from its predefined destination and cost you money jim. 6868 did i claim to be a clairvoyant jim you guys are going on like am claiming use crystal ball for predicting numbers yes understand the outcome of one spin is random event not mathematically connected another. it fact at any given time patterns do emerge dont have rocket scientist see that so why apparently insulting great scholars who love quoting arseholes rule relative boredom x 2 eternity miopia ..........that trends can turned players advantage if know how because formula doesnt exist this does cause sensory overload wise old sages. about this. fred smith has last 37years every working day entered his office by front door although he could back its equally close and accessible offers all same benefits as using back. asked place bet which will tommorrow would now may want go delve in your library statistics find suitable mathmatical predict sadly such thinks exists............ but just own judgement instead.of course wont let trend influence decision. 6869 no but that would...... bill baggins .... be a claim on par with yours 'trends in roulette assertion'. your trends are only hindsight. you cannot predict the next spin based this as have nearly admitted to yourself above. coin caruso phrase hypothetical mr smith example is poppycock. his choice of entrance obviously predicated some preference or habit and therefore not an independent probability. something clearly fail understand. do know any wheels consistently come up black for past 37 years if could let me which casino houses it just one last question. multiple experience kept accurate records wins losses so down i seem recall mentioned 25 playing. regular play record all shows actually profit then would mightily impressed. too friend who claims win at b m . he was sceptical mathematical nonsense. see bets accordingly did anything other than anecdotal evidence support claim. persuaded him keep over year. although convinced winning per very suprised red excuse pun when totted up. isolated proves nothing timescale short does demonstrate power selective memory. still plays i'm sure won't change mind either. however want give better chance making money consider bonus option. otherwise link gambler's anonymous can found left hand frame page. regards b. 6870 global player john may i take your point about tournament abuse . incidentally did indeed gp's when came er fourth just out of the prizes on my first go. like idea a wsop. i'm toying with using affiliate juice intercasino to set up tourney maybe i'll put suggestion forward... 6871 fat bonus true gangsta members mr red if you're out there please shoot me an email. i have some questions. 6872 avoid playtech right now john may there seems to be some kind of problem-avoid till they can get their act together. 6873 fao bill jim your remark about gamblers anonymous seems to indicate dismissive pompous attitude any form of gambling other than bj or bonus play.............do you check sperm count before having sex as for the law independent probability yes i understand it but should stop and convince myself that because will lose if play roulette have two ways one is previousy described even chances 2-1 following percieved sequences.this method incredibly boring needs great disciplin plenty time total control emotions rules are not read from a book must use judgement.with this way normally at worst break more often can grind out profit however its slow methodical dull. over years with style am indeed showing many winning sessions losses really find such in which be so focused. my prefered playing bets on numbers etc where win quick secret here leaving when ahead enough nerve bankroll wait losing run pendulum swing back favour. loss especially visiting vegas distractions healthy cleavages unlimited cocktails genuinely admire counters who self sit their hours end sipping water concentrating.....but guess rewarded admirably. question whether enjoyment hoping make enjoy whole point contributing on-line part forum was claim success gambler fairness games also beleive far random. would like able gamble line ever knowledge game 100 fair beyond all doubt uk land casino think ll long wait. finally absolutely no problem mentioned thousand times just trying an online software rigged suit casino. 6874 ok bill baggins i quite understand the pleasure that people derive from gambling. consider myself to be a gambler as well. like gambling and most gamblers prefer win. other here on net casinos especially card counters would see this more of chore or part time job. don't. am who enjoys playing making money. if you say are for fun have no problem with that. but will become pompous when claim able make money roulette not only in short term result good luck variance whatever call it also consistently long thereby bucking -ve ev game. is just possible unless through fortune. sorry mistook your enjoyment technique general ethos board so assumed was rationale. suppose should go f k now. b. 6875 my on-line experiences... sleeplizntexas well i finally decided to take the plunge and try internet gaming. in space of 6 weeks tried 3 casinos. would like report experience thoughts - which don't differ much from some other posts on this site. usually do pretty good at land based casinos mostly playing bj with a very conservative money management strategy. words grind out several hundred dollars each visit lose too often. however everything have ever done doesn't apply post following for anyone 1st casino net total loss 600 played baccarat roulette. feeling is that it has personality maps your consistently wins critical junctures. got someone was laughing behind scenes daring me more. honest opinion complete ripoff terms will say had final balance about 75 cashed out. they were prompt no hassels. 2nd sands carribean 0 little more interesting experience. bought originally 100. initial amount managed win 500 thought be fair game started ended up losing original put 50 instantly wiped being glutton punishment 400 thinking casino. gave 100 bonus. easily 550 cash then come find can only as not met wagering requirement wagered 1500 needed wager 3500. so went hell system by way pissed off point . 8000 brought including 700. cooled down dark cloud came over bet similar above. kept betting until last break-even call quits. customer service cryptologic helpful back hassels promptly pin received london england took 12 days usa 3rd william hill 230 before going against anymore read reports site buy 20. if you believe actually 20 turned into 750. could lose. small amounts short sessions. just 5-10 leave. okay greed set in... visions weekly checks sent london. upped bets same experienced settled game. yes... lost all another boot. ouch conclusion............. on-line. it's really should known better. yes did something but real brothers sisters... on. happen gaming meager winnings there are get 6876 gambling without bonuses if foolish. the casino always has edge peter so you'll lose long term. i have found after doing about 30 casinos or and wagered hundreds of thousands dollars that it were not for would done very poorly lost my money. course because i'm up quite nicely. at least 7 both deposit bonus often betting conservatively. in end it's a gamble. just like stock market. 6877 totally agree jim hi sleepliz interesting to see my thoughts and experiences nearly duplicated. two of the casinos you played at hills sands are both using wagerlogic software pay outs prompt little hassle. i that your play is tracked fortunes not in lap gods but a clever program which profiles amount betting style produces results accordingly. could write page or about it wont as have said plenty already on here tip...... dont mention its possible win roulette land casino. regards 6878 minor suggestion about cryptologic pin's john may a lot of people have expressed frustration having to wait for pin from cryptologic. although this is your own security really at least in crypto's case it little worrying since initially i'm sure most us had doubts that we would be paid. might good idea beginners simply open an account and not actually deposit any money till the arrives minimize stress uncertainty. 6879 gentlemanly conduct in the end guys. nt brian b. 6880 p.s jim sleepliz scroll down to the bottom of page and take a look at crptologic williamhill thread three web sites that might interest you regarding cryptologic. www.gamingmagazine.com www.gamblingmagazine.com main54.htm www.cryptologicsucks.com regards 6881 jim what is your point here... john may sleepliz bet a lot of money far more than the bonus at various crypto casinos and lost. that you would expect to happen in fair game ie with typical house edge terrestial casino. tip...... dont mention on here its possible win roulette land yes course it just not way think. 6882 john re my point jim i was agreeing with sleepliz in his her feelings that the games were not random tracked your play etc and did represent a fair land game. am going to elaborate further because it would mean detailed long text on roulette gambling which since this board is mainly for bj have already indulged winded thread regarding roulette. when if become an expert then will comment other than say on-line minimal experience amazed just how many times dealer beat 20 21 consisting of five low value cards extent simply dont bother at all on-line. friend mine who plays only casinos very sucessfull also tried line wagerlogic laughed derision hands dealt out change fortune according bet size. he hasnt played ever again continues make money regular basis basic strategy local casino. regards 6883 playtech problem thatch after playing over now 200 joints i got my first such email from any casino this one a namely royal dice where won 225. the 'dear customer we inform you that your account has been closed. last couple of days have received numerous signups canadian citizens intentionally trying to take advantage out signup bonus. user information was detected in negative database collected variety casinos working together prevent abuse and fraudulent behavior. does not accept kind behavior our members frozen withdrawal request declined'. regards line kristiansen accounting department royaldice.com what should do about wrote back saying had met their terms fully fairly asking them re-assess decision. did mention being an opa member for that's worth active contributor portals other discussion evaluation groups. probably won't get me nowhere. advise is appreciated. 6884 it didn't matter what game i played... sleeplizntexas during the time when first started with each on-line casino really played had this incredible streak of luck however was more noticible crypto casinos . after things got unlucky again played. both sands and william hill noticed that were good while have my pin bad just as arrived in mail. could be imagination... for record 90 blackjack 5 baccarat wife roulette. she likes to play 2 3 dozens usually loses at land based casinos. once a wins little... 6885 bet big on back door nail front shut nt asap 6886 i woudn't call it gambling. tg in the end it's a gamble. just like stock market. according to mathematics huge bonuses these on-line casinos offer leads me believe that this is great investment and far from players edge so definitely dont consider gambling but rather stealing would be better definition. 6887 pin tg are you implying were gambling with play money and winning very nicely until your arrived i'm sorry but if this is the case should of had a little more common sense before dug hole. 6888 come on think about it bill baggins the guy has used same door for 37 years. he's bound to have a claw hammer with him just in case of this scenario. sounds like stupid bet me. regards b. 6889 royal dice a class act after all i 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department royaldice.com re attention management. am shocked say least. playing some sometimes win often lose. now good played fairly flat bets first as always do happened balance increasing without having alter strategy betting size coasted nice win. is wrong also keep track best can total wagering ever since cancelled winnings because short just few dollars minimum . shady treatment well -what would proper an email telling had met requirements how much more wager meet their terms. conditions expect paid fairly. if lost returning money by name ten where did lose 'graciously'. about so-called 'abusers' list rightfully belong such 'abuse' anything anyone. shoe seems on foot here abused pointing canadians resent are most honest people face earth appeal 'freezing' yours. done part player put up hard-earned risked terms luck won. duty deal pay winnings. recreational player. found while browsing sunday afternoon feeling like somewhere. member contributor evaluation will unfair lying down. yourselves amount won drop bucket. myself far so risk. turned gambling into nightmare. await re-evaluation urge truly fair end deal. unlocked thank interest casino. apologise inconvenience caused. rechecked details account. venessa vanessa wish doing thing do. feel better now. please certain erases resentment may felt. mistake totally ours sorry misunderstanding. appropriate explain why happened. same day signed lot problems new canada were involved really hope understanding matter everything possible future. evening support team needless impressed pleasantly surprised. 6890 one of your dafter conspiracy theories tg john may how would the casino know if you had received pin some kind microchip in letter perhaps collusion with postal service paranoid who's been saying i'm 6891 gambling online magazine john may i got the figure from not bad loads of fluff . think it was febuary issue last year though don't have with me now. they a website and i'm sure would help you pin figures down if want to do research. 6892 changed your tune paddyboy are you the same tg that 4 or 5 months ago was ranting and raving about evils of online gambling what a waste money it is. if then nice to see have finally seen light 6893 big jump. caruso on average every individual who signs-up to a net casino will lose 3000 dollars year average. i recall you quoting c. 300 approx little over ago. considering what is lost bonus abusing scumbags and genuine fraudsters that's hell of figure. 6894 still doesn't change the fact... mr red that they're sharing your private information with third parties which is a violation of their own privacy policy. 6895 warning lasseters cheating blackdeuce of all the casinos out there this is last one i would have suspected pulling a fast one. first time logged in found was getting fair game. day later my 50 hands results w17 l29 p3. noticed high proportion dealer miracle 21's against two face cards and stiffs being dealt to me. wondering if anybody has same. know might sound alarmist but way around bonus circuit boss microgaming cryto oddson playtech aqua when i'm messed with. had same experience please post. thank you 6896 my experience wagerthru i've played there twice recently and lost half a 200 bonus each time but still ended up making money. last result was 2 sd loss which certainly looks more than little suspicious. i varied betting during the previous session didn't track guess is about same. only surprising thing this supposed respectability of government-regulated casino. 6897 wagerthru blackdeuce i've barely met the playthrough requirements. i'll keep you posted how i get on. if it carries on like this i'm going to lose a hefty chunk of my 500. 6898 privacy thatch of course you are right. and it is an irritating thought. i doubt there a 'master list' so-called abusers though. can't see few associated playtech sites giving two hoots about mgs or rtgs being assailed with abusers. quite the contrary would think. not much one can do in case 'sister' perhaps same ownership. that comes to mind my denied bonus at river nile because had gotten golden riviera while back casino which don't recall name this time me five roses bonus. piece information really hate give out sin reluctantly site order proceed registration process. vital info could cause lot grief people if misused revealed michievously. regards 6899 i grind out several hundred dollars on each visit paddyboy whats that smell 6900 as a general rule john may day later my last 50 hands results was w17 l29 p3 there is absolutely nothing abnormal in your at all. nor would all but the most obvious cheating show up such small sample. i am sometime theorist-i test out ideas gambling to see if systems work. generally speaking run not less than millions of determine whether given method works. testing for does require it extreme cases many more 50. this blackjack. lasseters are quality operation-you first person have heard who has won over and above standard deviation. i'm sorry about that software's fault. 6901 you can't be serious aruuba you're down 12 units in 49 not 50 as say by the way hands that's even 1.5 standard deviations. obviously don't know when being messed around with . to accuse a casino of cheating an exclamation point title on such small meaningless sample is irresponsible. i should think would better your vast experience bonus circuit 6902 negative posts... caruso ...will tend to predominate over positive ones so any replies you might get would represent an unbalanced picture. fwiw i've heard quite a few grumbles about lasseters - none of which necessarily represents anything other than gamblers' selective memories. if miracle dealer draws 21 cause high blood pressure i'm glad don't list rtg in your bonus circuit software collection. 6903 no you don't scarce one piece of information i really hate to give out is my sin which had reluctantly at a few site in order proceed with the registration process. that vital info could cause lot grief people if misused or revealed michievously. simply phone casino and tell them wish information. they have legal right ask for it first place. i've this happen several times each case has relented rather than lose potential customer. under circumstances 6904 why bother paddyboy give cash to these guys get a few bonuses where you can find anywhere talk about rigged software slow payment and blah blah. are worse than scum. apology scum 6905 giving sin ssn asap i simply mistype a digit. it seems not to impede the registration process and has advantage of plausible deniability. agree with scarce in principle but am too lazy make point our online friends. 6906 i feel your pain paddyboy asap perhaps you were kicked off one of the boards like was. it hurt at first but after extensive counseling realized that they did me a favor. cleanse soul those negative feelings and try not to hate them. 6907 looking for similar players... mr red i have begun playing people sharing the profits with them while bonus hunting at top casinos. simply want to talk others about logistics. feeling that these would be my best shot. 6908 yes you're paranoid. tg my dafter conspiracy theories you've really been spacing out lately but i do understand you have certain interest to protect. visit the net casino and progression pages once in a great while for only entertainment purposes. so decide drop common sense line call it how would know if had received your pin some kind of microchip letter perhaps collusion with postal service can bet is sent on 2nd week wont get before that wake up. oh by way john think new upgraded software was made be easier beat than old stuff let's face no offense most pro card counters rather bricks. dont now never will. 6909 same tune. tg yes i posted about the many problems on-gamblers were having several months ago and decided it's in my best interest to stay out of game. previous post means if all casinos honest dealt fair random bj games with bonuses they offer stuck terms conditions our advantage would be so huge consider it stealing get 6910 yesterday bill baggins i had an equally poor result at a b m casino. particularly annoying was being dealt blackjack on both boxes playing with max bets out only for the dealer to draw bj as well enhc . before leaving told them their game rigged and that would be posting it all over internet shit happens. regards b. 6911 blackdeuce - get real man. peter i've lost 23 out of 26 hands before 28 32 now that's what i call losing. at it was mg casino which find very trustworthy. it's gonna happen sometime. also won 17 20 and pushed 3. 6912 you guys are right blackdeuce i did have steam coming out of both ears when posted couldn't even count up to 50 . i'll play the requirements and let know how get on. just felt at time that someone flicked a switch somewhere. thanks for help keeping me grounded. i've never lost so much quick before. only been playing about 7 months nearly 2k. 6913 it's ok aruuba i think we've all been there steaming out of both ears and swearing at the computer. know have do. sometimes hard to keep perspective but least you've re-gained yours. that's good know. if any help only thing remember about lasseters is mis-read rules assumed it was single deck. something like there's always a 52 card deck . won crazy using single-deck bs later when dealt 2 ace spades realizing an infinite should 8 strategy. after that started losing. what game. 6914 turn on tune in drop dead paddyboy i feel sorry for you there are none so blind as those who will not see. 6915 ssn some guy i have always just completly made up a number for my and never had any problems. -some 6917 if you spent half as much time....... sa playing online spend making posts on the evils of gaming you'd be a wealthy man. 6918 dont feel sorry purty boy. tg i'm content at the tables and doing just fine. i make a simple comment of how refuse to play on-line blackjack due never ending problems that have read about you say drop dead . what are some kinda dweeb understand why someone would this way 6919 my first post in 4 months. tg i take a few minutes to about on-line the past am entitled an opinion oh yeah.....only if it's good one forgot. 6920 very few are left john may let's face it no offense most pro card counters would rather be in the bricks. that is about half a dozen people. even traditionalists like dd' experimenting with other forms of advantage play to supplement income. and frankly any one who still counting mistaken impression superior or adequate form moron. 6921 ssn what's that pj_au on the rare occasion i've been asked for an i reply quite honestly live in australia and have no such thing. a quick chat with support desk reveals not applicable is accepted response this field if that's case. never had any grief casinos where done this. of course being us citizen may be option to you. cheers pj 6922 chicken paddyboy i make a simple comment of how refuse to play on-line blackjack due never ending problems that have read about and you say drop dead . what are some kinda dweeb dont understand why someone would feel this way firstly stop watching the sopranos learn english. secondly if deposit 100 get free then child could is good deal maybe should try math aswell. 6923 no more credit cards through paypal bob r is longer letting me use for gaming transactions. i assume that's not just 6924 next time make it 4 decades nt paddyboy 6925 not just you nt revereman 6926 i am wondering about this also bob fisher still able to use paypal for gaming transactions although rumor has it that will be phased out after ebay bought them out. my question is when you charge your credit card deposit money into or open an account with how do they know what the going used 6927 coded transactions bob r i think the deal paypal has had with merchants is that they handle but have to disclose what kind of business it is. when then sends transaction credit card company use this code also so can refuse. you tried making a purchase through recently like last few days been over week since today got denied. 6928 funds in your account... caruso ...will still be available for casino use any pp transaction that require cc funding will refused. that's as i understand it. is if you've got 400 account and you try to make a 500 deposit no go. ok. 6929 this may be a stupid question but... bill baggins ... is regardless of nationality i.e uk players as well. regards b. 6930 speaking as... caruso ...a fellow member of that particularly exclusive club yes. paypal still works fine for me those non extra-funds-required-from-credit-card transactions. so avoid any big proc cyber deposits the remaining three months given their infuriating habit sending everything by cheque. 6931 me too but ... john may i can't help feeling paypal contradictory stance ie still permitting gambling transactions whilst vowing to assist in clamping down on the future is going cause trouble. would advise everyone treat like a large internet casino assuming that it will probably not certainly pay out. 6932 anyone heard of casino from gambling federation peter i got this spam in my hotmail account never use that for casinos and it says get 200 free. before knew was downloading the software their site. site had no other links but to download software. need check up authenticity these guys. otherwise i'll uninstall them straight away. 6933 video poker classic scarce ..and what's up with the vanna white lookalike on their website 6934 how trustworthy are they nt peter 6935 just got another - commodore casino no wagerthru peter all that happens is when you bet 5 comes from bonus 95 your balance. 20 on 1k. wow. 6936 ok it works out to the same thing anyway. peter and commodore is also vpc. looks like they're desperate get customers. done a search here - more rigged than any other. 6937 commodore casino pensive gerbil there website does not appear to provide any information about their identity location or software type. is no indication that they are licensed by anyone belong internet gambling associations like the igc. 5 bonus cash ratio equivalent a wagerthru requirement of 20xb. it as good an upfront however since one might need deposit additional funds access all bonus. -pg 6938 what is vpc nt pensive gerbil 6939 not very scarce newer software may be rigged. and you have a hard time receiving the bonus as some places do respond to e-mails. i avoid them. 6940 check search re commodore nt wagerthru 6941 video poker classic nt bob fisher 6942 icrystal software nt bob fisher 6943 whole thing was a bit weird john may accusations were rampant about fb being clique of misogynist variance junkies. they closed their membership list early on sort bolshevik approach to bonus hustling. seemed liked fun if pointless in terms actually making money. 6944 paypal and other methods questions ricardo since is in its lasts day what will you guys recomend the good thing about was that can transfer funds from your account to friend 's account. oher allowed 6945 need analysis of winward's new bonus structure wagerthru i got an e-mail for 50 neteller but when called to check it out sounds like a scam. their previous system was strange - credits and deposit kept in separate categories acceptable because you had play the first. they've changed this so that now have lose your before playing credits. essence sticky bonus. told customer service guy is pretty scam-like he agreed said they're considering returning old structure. meantime there any way worth thanks help. cheers kevin 6946 misanthropist as well. asap i did learn some stuff and would have liked to stayed on the board but it was a weird lord of flies sort scene. being kicked off didn't hurt me financially since am dillettante enjoyed shenanigans. 6947 there is but you won't like it. pj_au if the casino lets cash-out your real money and then bet using sticky bonus this an obvious way of gaining a positive expectation. most casinos let do this. causes to evaporate there's still edge at downside having very large variance. let's say that offers 100 for 200 deposit. head over roulette wheel make 300 wager on red. win cash out 500 original winnings . lose have nothing. also bit rounding you'll 45 time. expectation x 0.45 225 25. has wagering requirement need factor in expected loss meeting after big win. it would seem reasonable assume you've met promotional requirements. depending upon rules conditions are almost certainly better games use than roulette. so which can be had bonuses it's not faint heart. cheers pj 6948 transfers thatchatch neteller allows between account holders as long they are 'certified'. the fee is 1.9 on receiver's end. regards thatch 6949 this may surprise you but... john i think direct bank transfer become an increasingly attractive option. found it surprisingly easy to do via barclays website. the cycle time is quite acceptable. big problem fees-however many sites pay these for or offer additional bonuses. in any case with large deposits costs be neglible compared total return on investment. 6950 can anyone vouch for 4gcasino john may canadian based outfit i'm attracted to them because they take switch. any experieces volunteer can't find anything in the archives or at winneronline. 6951 thanks but profit potential way small nt wagerthru 6952 please look at the internet gambling ban post on main free bj nt david matthews 6953 are net-gaming and gamingclubcasino reputable rcwilliams i recently saw an ad for what think two new casionos oferring a 100 bonus up to 200.00. the first was net-gaming. with trouble depoiting by credit cards now also paypal tried contact them thieir support email they have no phone number cantact about alternative depositing methods got answer from 2 different emails sent in fact my mail subsystem saying that their address had non fatal errors made undeleiveable. days later another casion same offer identical fag section which seemed stongly indicate casinos connected run people. does anyone firsthand experience either or both of these online know if fair gaming any help would be greatly appreciaed thanks richard williams.richard.c.mk worldnet.att.net 6954 royal vegas peter i'm starting to have serious doubts about this one. i remember someone else complaining in the past. played here many times over past 2 months. and not once actually won. recently started playing a few days ago. 7 sessions so far. every one loser. hit it lucky by getting winning streaks on double bets 4 . other was betting 2. if flatbetting would be much worse off. expect tide turn sometime. but with it's just down down. unbelievable. 6955 why play without a bonus nt wagerthru 6956 i do the 50 promotions they have from time to nt peter 6957 wagerthru is right paddyboy if you play without some sort of bonus then the casino has edge over and will lose in long run. what point continually playing at one place when there are so many sign up recurring bonuses out should only have an dont think that get lucky or beat probability. maybe really want to 6958 again same story. peter lost this morning. so stopped. came back now. and what do i get 5 wins out of 21 hands 6959 infinity and beyond blackdeuce my losing streak continued down 3 4 of bonus then it eventually turned i managed to walk away with just over half the as per wagerthru . normally have fasten seatbelt playtech but this was a bit bumpy ride. 6960 this proves ... paddyboy that you are a loser and enjoy losing. why do keep going back for more punishment best thing can is uninstall any casino on your pc at the momen t give up online gambling. 6961 there a thing called wager requirements peter or have you forgotten that cant cash out till they're met i've made good money overall doing the online casinos. but this one i cannot fathom. did well at vegas villa in their chain though. 6962 wager reqs paddyboy i have played here many times over the past 2 months how long does it take you to get thru reqs. if are playing then what is problem lose bonus before meeting just cash out your deposit. total loss zero 6965 cashing out... caruso if you lose the bonus before meeting reqs then just cash out your deposit. ...before requirements will get flagged for abuse and rightly so. actually statement is incorrect this particular example since fortune lounge group deduct any promo from cashout playing of which fail to complete. again i'm sorry see advocates kind thing it's entirely unnecessary it creates problems everyone. can't afford five dollars own money stop gambling online. 6966 got my check from goodfellows easyrider it took about 3 weeks after they received paperwork. thanks microgaming you're the best to all those waiting for theirs...keep faith 6967 post of the month wins 100 for spiller stanford wong winner september 2002 is spiller. winning results from 360 000 hands played by robot 14 02 3 52 p.m. on internet green. every green chippers select a among all messages posted to green-chip pages during month. receives and preserved in special section archives dedicated posts chip private club people serious about money casinos. membership costs 49 per year. more information click online catalog left frame. 6968 exactly peter i've bet about 2500 hands here. i varied my bets a little by doubling up every now and then adding it all came even on these too. i'm down 150 1050. around 75 bets. half way through looked like was going to lose serious amount. seeing as over here is this reasonable loss 6969 i could not figure out how to make a deposit coldsteel73 my first guess is they are in business. last month clicked cashier and it took me their web home page -- around for while saw no way also proprietary software haven't seen before as far know. if you able let know did it. btw what does take switch mean cold 6970 thanks john may looks like one to avoid. switch is a debit card commonly used in england. some of my friends gamble occassionally online but can't get visa or credit cards being young and broke. they all have though. i tell them about any good place which will take switch. 6971 cashing in deposit paddyboy i lost the bonus here before and cashed my meeting reqs there was no problem 6972 green chip internet worth it advantageplaya hopefully someone can come down from the level and answer a few questions. for serious bonus players is 49 subscription access to how active board are casino-security measure discussed do people ever discuss high-end hunting i.e. clients consulation fees 6973 for internet gambling no anononek other forms of yes well worth it. one will discuss the things you're speaking on public or semi-public pages there are casino employees green chip and here as . if they do aren't very bright. take my word it this page is read by many ecasino owners. it's best to talk about such via email. 6974 netgaming is rigged doh i made the mistake of depositing at netgaming. did a check several blacklists and not see them so went ahead deposited. should have done search here first. it amazing to 3 4 5 even 6 card 21's repeatedly by dealer. sometimes or times in row yeah right. luckily dropped down flat betting minimum pretty early had some my deposit left. one point over 50 160 action 1 per hand has anyone put any effort into proving that this game just assumed nobody bothers 6975 it seems everyone i know who's done this one has been nailed nt peter 6976 true enough scarce ..there are only a few dozen posts here about just how bad they are. you could also have done search at http www.onlineplayersassociation.com or www.thewizardofodds.com ..and received more of the same news. i don't much sympathy for people who do their research but consider lesson learned as relatively cheap. 6977 why all the green hi stan posts win..mez never won nutin 6978 because you don't pay a subscription fee dodo nt bill baggins 6979 suggestion to david john may maybe implementing scarce's comments by having a header at the top of page suggesting new posters do an archive search before asking about specific internet casino would be good idea. i fear for mental well-being if he has go on saying same thing repeatedly. not actually know there is searchable archive. 6980 simulatons for online blackjack david does anyone have any info or know of someone that has run computer simulations blackjack. is it ever possible to gain an advantage over the house everyone just play bonuses 6981 suggestion to scarce ih8 math take a chill pill man.i someone wants ask about such and casino let them you dont have berate them.it would defeat the purpose of forum if nobody asked questions anyway whats it act like own board. 6982 online gamblers get scammed again dragon wake the heck up...read view and learn.. http salon.com tech feature 2002 10 05 gambling index.html 6983 no public scammed by liberal media again. nt sceptic 6984 great article imho dancali i've been around the online world for a while and i'm not sure if i could have written it better myself. sounds like someone who knows little about what he's talking about. 6985 no need to waste time searching if new boy on the block .........it's posted in front of your face is that ok with you or should we use discretion as johnny says 6986 royal city casino johndoe21 anyone heard of they have a 75 match offer. however i can't seem to find any reviews or software for this casino. also below is part their t c. player balances may be cashed out at time . 777-spades pays bonus 5000. finally say that payout in 3 business days. sound too good true bonuses received by the cannot until bet. are bet on 5 95 balance basis. means if your account contains when you place will come off and balance. example 20 - 1 19 all winnings from bets added players not bonus. time. limit initial per household our family casinos. wish visit second casinos we award with 15 deposit up 75.00. take advantage must contact customer support after make before begin play. unfortunately unable offer more than 2 triple 7 blackjack during play receive three 7's spades total result 21 automatically credited 6987 ace king club casino james montgomery hey has anyone had any problems with this experiences to relate i ask because started playing there got incredibly lucky in the boss media version of blackjack and i'm wondering if have chance being paid a sum thousands dollars. are reports software reverse-fixed ie player wins too much is happy but never will be input would appreciated post on board please 6988 ace king murray i played a few months back won hundred was paid in 3 or 4 days. boss media has as good reputation anyone this business. for reverse fixed no. 6989 don't worry... you'll be paid not a ploppy bossmedia is reputable. 6990 vpc nt scarce 6991 what's vpc nt johndoe21 6992 'one household' rule wagerthru i may have to relocate in the near future and wondered if it was legit make circuit again as a 'new has anybody done this thanks for any help. 6993 video poker classic. use the seach feature or look below nt minnesota fats 6994 it may not be legit but.. oliver strippel i recently re-located and had success doing that. will take a new address different cc email computer. essentially you have to try look like totally person. shouldn't too hard... stripper 6995 once again... caruso ...i'm sorry to see cheating being advocated at bj21. you and others like cause nothing but grief for the rest of us. course you're much dumb realize yourself as well that's an agreeable side effect. expect a few testosterone-fuelled back slaps from lurking jerks. 6996 different card ih8 math does your credit have to be under a bank 6997 paypal via bank account mr nephilim i noticed when making a cc transaction through they said no longer accepted cc's for gambling transactions and wanted my details instead. this seems like not so much big deal as thought everyone is out. what am missing do people just want to bet on credit or are there hidden charges something 6998 the on-line casinos cheat so why cant we bad boy besides concealing your identity is not as scammy playing at a rigged casino furthermore they might even get us if do happen to lucky and win. 6999 re once again... wagerthru caruso i'm not trying to cheat. i was simply asking whether it 'legit' note the word register as a new 'household' if you move. know oliver thought he being helpful but that's route want take. still haven't gotten clear answer on this in any case it's all speculative at point. cheers 7000 don't do it dancali this would be a bad idea to say the least on so many levels. there are plenty of casinos out not have resort these sort underhanded even criminal activities. if they catch you which will you'll lose your deposit and likely blacklisted by whole swathes industry. also playing role in making tighter stingier with their comps justify cries bonus abuse. perhaps i misunderstood intentions but multiple accounts is just way go. 7001 vegas villa - worst online gaming experience so far wagerthru i had read bad things about this place but did well at the other fortune lounge places gave it a try. deposited 1000 for 300 bonus. after playing 1634 down 354 and cashed out what was left of deposit. that's 817 2 bets multihand bj. make that 5.19 sd loss by i've experienced 50 casinos. more rigged than most. 7002 you can make a bundle casinoplayer for the past few months i have been playing my friends using their info and collecting initial deposit bonuses at different websites splitting winnings with them 50 50. it's very lucrative. these online casinos really aren't hurt by people taking hundred bucks here or there. yes cheating is wrong but find it justified due to fact that so many things about are an inconvenience such as withdrawal procedures restrictions. 7003 multiple hands and standard deviation. pj_au wagerthru you mention that were playing at multihand bj. would this mean more than a single box each round as on table are not independant events your deviation will be higher to if played 817 using only box. cheers pj 7004 you are a liar and cheat truth i know it's easy to justify your actions when money is involved but the fact remains that lying cheating. because they have inconvenient withdrawal procedures other rules makes it okay lie steal if that's what morals allow do fine. just don't try sugar-coat pretend there nothing wrong with it. by bring yourself down level of cheating casino. no run i'm player too. was also tempted same thing decided against once thought through. seem recognize yet decide cheat. maybe need re-think this course action. 7005 well said. nt caruso 7006 yes... wagerthru ...i was playing 5 2 hands per round. if i'm calculating the sd incorrectly i hope that someone will correct my error. either way it seems out of line. thanks. cheers 7007 getting even jim why you guys are taking the moral high ground and defending casinos is beyond me. anyone can see that on-line rigged with strange result patterns stone wall of prolonged bad luck always appears. to me this disgusting they get way it free regulation so not score. 7008 not cheating paddyboy i am now getting a friend to set up credit card and then will play for him.we split deposit costs 50 profits 50.is this dont think so we are setting legitamate account but be only playing the sign bonuses.what is wrong with that 7009 not defending truth i believe you are misinterpreting my message. in no way did defend the casinos. point out that think cheating a casino is just as bad player. furthermore i'm sure there at least some casinos don't cheat all. so if play and only guilty party involved. thief broke into your home raped wife stole car would it be right for to do exact same him two wrongs make far go... yes despicable them player placing great deal of undeserved trust by depositing their money. however they have live with actions mine. choose honest liar cheat. original intent was poster it's easy get wrapped up question whether something can or can't done when should looking not. this especially true comes monetary matters. 7010 paddyboy casinoplayer mr red email me. 7012 well done paddyboy fair play to you nice see people making money from the ecasinos. also helping their friends . good luck sir 7013 excellent argument. caruso i lost. but am a blackjack stud who never loses. therefore it was rigged. i'm justified in opening multi accounts to get even. and an advantage player 'cos when lose open even so anyway glad see my prophesy that the original poster would few testosterone-fuelled back slaps from bj21 players fulfilled. 7014 your turn in the barrel truth ok mr. casino er i mean caruso. here's what an honest would do display all terms and conditions cleary. make these easily found on web site. even better player read agree to including bonus during sign-up. get rid of can any change for reason clause terms. revoke abusers will be placed blacklist threat unclear hard interpret gotchas clearly state that are you absolutely paid if follow with no exceptions. have yet see a come anywhere close this. my conclusion is across so they just as dishonest other cheater. soon implement this expect them become most successful business. why ask one word... trust. trust important online business hidden sorts exceptions ambiguities threats don't lead about hustlers take advantage think find offers also matter how well hidden. only purpose tricks serving foster distrust between casino. net result give away much scare many potential gamblers casinos should stop worrying start percentage deterred by it's safe say pretty small percentage. lack created stretch number probably quite large. imagine on-line gambling had near b m casinos. might equal not more because convenience. what's actual fractions percent reason...